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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181
    edited August 2015
    Scott_P said:

    ydoethur said:

    the tuition fees imbalance that rewards (or at any rate, for many years rewarded - not sure if it's still in place) Scottish students for going to Scottish universities, rather than ones in England.

    The tuition fee imbalance is still in place. Scottish students go free (in theory) while English students pay, which is why Scottish Universities are restricting the number of places for freeloaders home grown talent in favour of paying customers
    Of course, if Scotland became independent they would EITHER have to remove that perk for Scottish students OR pay for English students on the same terms (which does of course assume, probably incorrectly, that they remain in the EU). One would be politically disastrous, one extremely expensive.

    And of course, it might make Scottish universities less attractive to English students, especially with Continental universities now starting to offer more and more degrees via the medium of English.

    Have any studies been done on that aspect of independence?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,370
    edited August 2015
    When your own private polling has you behind you're like a young lady in a porno with 20 guys. Fucked every which way and then some
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    Mr. Eagles, you know who else was white?

    Caesar.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    I also thin Sajid Javid could become PM - so it isn't a race thing.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914

    When your own private polling has you behind you're like a young lady in a porno with 20 guys. Fucked every which way and then some

    The Tories private polling was more accurate than Yougov at the GE though !

    Will the Andy Burnham private polling be more like the Lib Dem polling though ?
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited August 2015

    Jeremy Corbyn is today revealed as the first choice of ordinary Londoners to lead the Labour Party — defying claims that his appeal is limited to Left-wingers and trade unionists.

    An exclusive YouGov poll for the Evening Standard reveals he has more support among the London public than his nearest rivals, Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper, put together.

    Moreover, he is more popular with the better-off ABC1 social classes, among both younger and older people, and those who voted Ukip or Liberal Democrat at the general election.

    Shadow health secretary Mr Burnham came second on 21 and Ms Cooper, the shadow home secretary, third on 20 per cent. Liz Kendall, the Blairite candidate, trailed at 12 per cent.

    Among people who voted Labour at the May election, Mr Corbyn enjoys a clear majority with 52 per cent.

    http://bit.ly/1INlciS

    This proves what I wrote yesterday. That the British electorate will support any leader that knows what he wants, has a clear policy (no matter what the policy is) agenda, and has some charisma. The other thing that comes to mind is that he is not attacked day and night, minute by minute by the MSM and all the other establishment as UKIPs Nigel Farage was in the months prior to the GE. Indeed Jezza has been given a lot of space from the MSM, the attack coming mainly from the Labour establishment itself.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181

    When your own private polling has you behind you're like a young lady in a porno with 20 guys. Fucked every which way and then some

    Certainly if your private polling has you 4 points behind and that is by far the best news you've had in a month you are.
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    Mr. Eagles, you know who else was white?

    Caesar.

    I'll be honest, ethnic quotas are repugnant and counter productive, and can only be supported by people who think Hannibal was superior to Caesar

    I want Khan to win the Labour nomination and thus Zac wins the race outright, as I have bets accordingly, but mostly, I could do a thread headlined, "The Wrath of Khan"

    I have a love of puns, which I've hidden well in the past, with my subtlety
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    ydoethur said:

    Have any studies been done on that aspect of independence?

    IIRC the University heads are well aware of the funding crisis, now and in the event of separation.

    The zoomers will be along presently to claim otherwise...
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    MikeK said:

    Jeremy Corbyn is today revealed as the first choice of ordinary Londoners to lead the Labour Party — defying claims that his appeal is limited to Left-wingers and trade unionists.

    An exclusive YouGov poll for the Evening Standard reveals he has more support among the London public than his nearest rivals, Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper, put together.

    Moreover, he is more popular with the better-off ABC1 social classes, among both younger and older people, and those who voted Ukip or Liberal Democrat at the general election.

    Shadow health secretary Mr Burnham came second on 21 and Ms Cooper, the shadow home secretary, third on 20 per cent. Liz Kendall, the Blairite candidate, trailed at 12 per cent.

    Among people who voted Labour at the May election, Mr Corbyn enjoys a clear majority with 52 per cent.

    http://bit.ly/1INlciS

    This proves what I wrote yesterday. That the British electorate will support any leader that knows what he wants, has a clear policy (no matter what the policy is) agenda, and has some charisma. The other thing that comes to mind is that he is not attacked day and night, minute by minute by the MSM and all the other establishment as UKIPs Nigel Farage was in the months prior to the GE. Indeed Jezza has been given a lot of space from the MSM, the attack coming from the Labour establishment itself.
    You predicting JC will gain 100 seats like Ukip did in May :D

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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    TGOHF said:

    Betting post: Lay Jowell, back Khan

    @georgeeaton: Ken Livingstone tells me that big influx of Corbyn supporters will help Sadiq Khan win mayoral nomination. 90% crossover in phonebanking.

    Back Zak for the mayoralty then - Khan can no more win than an Irishman could during the 80s - YG polling agrees.

    I'm laying Jowell and backing Zac. WIth regards the latter, I think he is overpriced at 3.25/3.3 no matter who the Labour candidate - I have no doubt he will be the Tory candidate.

    Bonus if Labour elect Corbyn; bonus if they elect Khan or Abbott.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181

    Mr. Eagles, you know who else was white?

    Caesar.

    I'll be honest, ethnic quotas are repugnant and counter productive, and can only be supported by people who think Hannibal was superior to Caesar

    I want Khan to win the Labour nomination and thus Zac wins the race outright, as I have bets accordingly, but mostly, I could do a thread headlined, "The Wrath of Khan"

    I have a love of puns, which I've hidden well in the past, with my subtlety
    If he wins though, you could just do a thread entitled 'KHAAAAAAN!' with a clip of William Shatner or Zachary Quinto to go with it (or both, of course).
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    Polls have shown Corbyn does well in London and Scotland relative to his national poll rating but poorly in the South and Midlands
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    Mr. Doethur, I haven't seen the remake, but I also don't see the point of copying, and undoubtedly making worse, arguably the best Star Trek film.

    Hollywood is bloody derivative these days.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181
    Scott_P said:

    ydoethur said:

    Have any studies been done on that aspect of independence?

    IIRC the University heads are well aware of the funding crisis, now and in the event of separation.

    The zoomers will be along presently to claim otherwise...
    Scotland's got some genuinely brilliant universities. It would be a bad thing if they were to suffer for any reason - bad for Scotland and bad just because destroying something good, worthwhile and useful is simply wrong. They deserve to be considered more than they are.

    (They will also bring in quite a lot of money to some fairly sensitive places - e.g. Dundee, Stirling, Paisley...)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914

    TGOHF said:

    Betting post: Lay Jowell, back Khan

    @georgeeaton: Ken Livingstone tells me that big influx of Corbyn supporters will help Sadiq Khan win mayoral nomination. 90% crossover in phonebanking.

    Back Zak for the mayoralty then - Khan can no more win than an Irishman could during the 80s - YG polling agrees.

    I'm laying Jowell and backing Zac. WIth regards the latter, I think he is overpriced at 3.25/3.3 no matter who the Labour candidate - I have no doubt he will be the Tory candidate.

    Bonus if Labour elect Corbyn; bonus if they elect Khan or Abbott.
    Do you think Lammy is out the race now ?

    (I mean he was barely in it, but I have a nice green number next to his name on Betfair right now :) )
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:


    A weaker pound would bloody help. If it heads up much more, I could be in the realms of posting negative contribution on a 10 million Euro job !

    But if interest rates go up - which surely they will fairly soon - won't the pound rise further?
    That also depends on what happens to interest rates elsewhere .If that happens on a global basis there is no reason to expect much impact on exchange rates unless UK interest rates rise more than in other economies.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    Like Umunna Francis Maude set up Policy Exchange as a focus of opposition to IDS
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181
    justin124 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:


    A weaker pound would bloody help. If it heads up much more, I could be in the realms of posting negative contribution on a 10 million Euro job !

    But if interest rates go up - which surely they will fairly soon - won't the pound rise further?
    That also depends on what happens to interest rates elsewhere .If that happens on a global basis there is no reason to expect much impact on exchange rates unless UK interest rates rise more than in other economies.
    Fair point, I hadn't thought of that. But it's hard to see them going up in the Eurozone until the ECB are certain Spain and Italy won't go the way of Greece if they do.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,192
    Pulpstar said:

    Betting post: Lay Jowell, back Khan

    @georgeeaton: Ken Livingstone tells me that big influx of Corbyn supporters will help Sadiq Khan win mayoral nomination. 90% crossover in phonebanking.

    On a technical note, take SkyBet's 6-4 for Khan to win the nomination (Or at least fill up first) rather than the 5.1 with Betfair for the mayoralty as he's a slight underdog to Zac in the run off polling.
    This sodding influx is going to cost me twice at this rate - on lab leadership and mayor candidate.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    HYUFD said:

    Like Umunna Francis Maude set up Policy Exchange as a focus of opposition to IDS

    Maude got an easy ride for a serial destabiliser of Tory leaders.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Betting post: Lay Jowell, back Khan

    @georgeeaton: Ken Livingstone tells me that big influx of Corbyn supporters will help Sadiq Khan win mayoral nomination. 90% crossover in phonebanking.

    Back Zak for the mayoralty then - Khan can no more win than an Irishman could during the 80s - YG polling agrees.

    I'm laying Jowell and backing Zac. WIth regards the latter, I think he is overpriced at 3.25/3.3 no matter who the Labour candidate - I have no doubt he will be the Tory candidate.

    Bonus if Labour elect Corbyn; bonus if they elect Khan or Abbott.
    Do you think Lammy is out the race now ?

    (I mean he was barely in it, but I have a nice green number next to his name on Betfair right now :) )
    I think Abbott and Lammy are the wrong way round. It should be Abbott who is the 8/1 outsider and Lammy the 25/1 shot. I said in my header I didn't think he had any cards left to play and I stand by that.

    Incidentally 83% of Tories who expressed an opinion backed Zac.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Betting post: Lay Jowell, back Khan

    @georgeeaton: Ken Livingstone tells me that big influx of Corbyn supporters will help Sadiq Khan win mayoral nomination. 90% crossover in phonebanking.

    Back Zak for the mayoralty then - Khan can no more win than an Irishman could during the 80s - YG polling agrees.

    I'm laying Jowell and backing Zac. WIth regards the latter, I think he is overpriced at 3.25/3.3 no matter who the Labour candidate - I have no doubt he will be the Tory candidate.

    Bonus if Labour elect Corbyn; bonus if they elect Khan or Abbott.
    Do you think Lammy is out the race now ?

    (I mean he was barely in it, but I have a nice green number next to his name on Betfair right now :) )
    Funny thing is, some pundits have rated Lammy the most impressive at the hustings.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Allo Allo.

    Mandy referred to Labour as *insurgents* in GE2010...
    Scott_P said:

    Splitters !!!!!!

    A moderate Labour pressure group dubbed “the Resistance” is being formed by two top shadow cabinet members as Jeremy Corbyn pulls ahead in the leadership race, the Evening Standard can reveal.

    Chuka Umunna and Tristram Hunt have written privately to Labour MPs calling on them to meet four days before the leadership result is announced. It is being seen by MPs as a rival to Mr Corbyn’s Left-wing platform and the start of guerrilla warfare for Labour’s soul.

    Mr Corbyn today issued plans to give more say over policy to party members, who are typically more Left-leaning than its MPs.
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/shadow-cabinet-mps-form-the-resistance-group-in-anticipation-of-corbyn-win-a2633476.html

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,192

    Scott_P said:

    Splitters !!!!!!

    A moderate Labour pressure group dubbed “the Resistance” is being formed by two top shadow cabinet members as Jeremy Corbyn pulls ahead in the leadership race, the Evening Standard can reveal.

    Chuka Umunna and Tristram Hunt have written privately to Labour MPs calling on them to meet four days before the leadership result is announced. It is being seen by MPs as a rival to Mr Corbyn’s Left-wing platform and the start of guerrilla warfare for Labour’s soul.

    Mr Corbyn today issued plans to give more say over policy to party members, who are typically more Left-leaning than its MPs.
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/shadow-cabinet-mps-form-the-resistance-group-in-anticipation-of-corbyn-win-a2633476.html
    Resistance is futile!!




    The group will be "Labour for the Common Good" - v close to Green Party's current strapline!
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387

    Pulpstar said:

    Betting post: Lay Jowell, back Khan

    @georgeeaton: Ken Livingstone tells me that big influx of Corbyn supporters will help Sadiq Khan win mayoral nomination. 90% crossover in phonebanking.

    On a technical note, take SkyBet's 6-4 for Khan to win the nomination (Or at least fill up first) rather than the 5.1 with Betfair for the mayoralty as he's a slight underdog to Zac in the run off polling.
    This sodding influx is going to cost me twice at this rate - on lab leadership and mayor candidate.
    The Betfair markets haven't moved in the last few weeks, except for someone backing Jowell and laying Khan.
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    We need more ministers like Eric Pickles:

    ‘What appears to have happened in Tower Hamlets is similar to what happened in Rotherham, in the sense that as with sexual exploitation, people just turned a blind eye because they were worried about community cohesion and the same seems to have happened in Tower Hamlets’.

    To clarify, I ask does he believe that politicians and officials were too concerned about multiculturalism and ignored the years of warning signs from Tower Hamlets? ‘Yes, of course’.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/sebastian-payne/2015/08/eric-pickles-interview-multiculturalism-is-to-blame-for-tower-hamlets-electoral-fraud/

    I can't help but think his straight-talking is because he's one of the few powerful politicians who are from outside the SPAD/London professional set.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Betting post: Lay Jowell, back Khan

    @georgeeaton: Ken Livingstone tells me that big influx of Corbyn supporters will help Sadiq Khan win mayoral nomination. 90% crossover in phonebanking.

    Back Zak for the mayoralty then - Khan can no more win than an Irishman could during the 80s - YG polling agrees.

    I'm laying Jowell and backing Zac. WIth regards the latter, I think he is overpriced at 3.25/3.3 no matter who the Labour candidate - I have no doubt he will be the Tory candidate.

    Bonus if Labour elect Corbyn; bonus if they elect Khan or Abbott.
    Do you think Lammy is out the race now ?

    (I mean he was barely in it, but I have a nice green number next to his name on Betfair right now :) )
    Funny thing is, some pundits have rated Lammy the most impressive at the hustings.
    Lammy, decent on housing. But all the Lab candidates have quite a lot to say about that, unlike Zac.

    Very split reaction from Twitter.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181
    Steven Smith appointed the new Australian captain, with Warner as his vice captain having shaken off some of his vices:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2015/content/story/909443.html

    Michael Clarke will lead at the Oval.

    In other news, England Women 16-2 after 10 overs. I know more rain is the last thing Kent needs today, but anyone in Canterbury, please do a rain dance!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914

    Pulpstar said:

    Betting post: Lay Jowell, back Khan

    @georgeeaton: Ken Livingstone tells me that big influx of Corbyn supporters will help Sadiq Khan win mayoral nomination. 90% crossover in phonebanking.

    On a technical note, take SkyBet's 6-4 for Khan to win the nomination (Or at least fill up first) rather than the 5.1 with Betfair for the mayoralty as he's a slight underdog to Zac in the run off polling.
    This sodding influx is going to cost me twice at this rate - on lab leadership and mayor candidate.
    Don't worry about your past bets, you can still back Mr Khan/Goldsmith at good odds !
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    TGOHF said:

    MikeK said:

    Jeremy Corbyn is today revealed as the first choice of ordinary Londoners to lead the Labour Party — defying claims that his appeal is limited to Left-wingers and trade unionists.

    An exclusive YouGov poll for the Evening Standard reveals he has more support among the London public than his nearest rivals, Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper, put together.

    Moreover, he is more popular with the better-off ABC1 social classes, among both younger and older people, and those who voted Ukip or Liberal Democrat at the general election.

    Shadow health secretary Mr Burnham came second on 21 and Ms Cooper, the shadow home secretary, third on 20 per cent. Liz Kendall, the Blairite candidate, trailed at 12 per cent.

    Among people who voted Labour at the May election, Mr Corbyn enjoys a clear majority with 52 per cent.

    http://bit.ly/1INlciS

    This proves what I wrote yesterday. That the British electorate will support any leader that knows what he wants, has a clear policy (no matter what the policy is) agenda, and has some charisma. The other thing that comes to mind is that he is not attacked day and night, minute by minute by the MSM and all the other establishment as UKIPs Nigel Farage was in the months prior to the GE. Indeed Jezza has been given a lot of space from the MSM, the attack coming from the Labour establishment itself.
    You predicting JC will gain 100 seats like Ukip did in May :D

    So I was wrong! I'm out of the prediction game.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,192
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Betting post: Lay Jowell, back Khan

    @georgeeaton: Ken Livingstone tells me that big influx of Corbyn supporters will help Sadiq Khan win mayoral nomination. 90% crossover in phonebanking.

    On a technical note, take SkyBet's 6-4 for Khan to win the nomination (Or at least fill up first) rather than the 5.1 with Betfair for the mayoralty as he's a slight underdog to Zac in the run off polling.
    This sodding influx is going to cost me twice at this rate - on lab leadership and mayor candidate.
    Don't worry about your past bets, you can still back Mr Khan/Goldsmith at good odds !
    Certainly think Zac worth a punt. Although generally I am hoping USA bets will bring home some proper money.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,847
    Afternoon all :)

    It seems the Conservatives on here are almost salivating (or worse) at the prospect of a Corbyn-led Labour Party.

    My only thought on this is that sometimes if you're in a party, there's no point swallowing 90% of your opponent's agenda simply to get into power even if you can. Whether some see Osbornomics as the new Butskellism or not, the Kendalls, Burnhams and Coopers of the world seem to have little more to offer than "we'll manage austerity better".

    Clearly, there is a significant minority who want a policy alternative to austerity. Now, that policy doesn't have to be credible but it's a platform they can go out to try and sell with conviction and if they can persuade enough people...

    It's the absence of the alternative that was one of the many failings of the Ed M/Ed B period. At no point from 2010-15 was there a crafted policy alternative - there were bits here and bits there but nothing in its entirety that suggested a policy on which they could unite and campaign.

    Corbyn may well have the bones of such a policy and his thinkers both inside and outside Labour may well seek to develop a new policy. Fine, present it, argue it and let the electorate pass judgement but to simply say "we agree with everything the other lot says" is no basis for campaigning and no activist will want to knock on doors if the alternative is simply more of the same.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015
    BBC World at One: SNP "very excited" about the prospect of working with a Corbyn-led Labour Party.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,721
    edited August 2015

    Mr. Doethur, I haven't seen the remake, but I also don't see the point of copying, and undoubtedly making worse, arguably the best Star Trek film.

    Hollywood is bloody derivative these days.

    It was a good movie - the cleverest thing they did was reboot the characters with clear differences of background and setting, so similar things could occur playing off the originals, while being their own thing. (Though the fact I do not see what is so great about Montalban as Khan may colour my view - I'm sorry, that 'he tasks me' bit people quote is just silly. He was good, but it wasn't world beating in terms of performance)

    Hollywood has always been derivative, extremely so. It might be a bit more so now, but it's only really an issue now it's easier to see what something is a remarke/adaptation of.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Blimey!! They look like troops from Star Wars:

    Imagine on the Severn too MT@romanhistory1: Recreated Roman Military Boat of the Rhine fleet (Mainz Germany) pic.twitter.com/1jZh2XNyRx

    — Long Mynd Walking (@LongMyndWalking) August 14, 2015
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,972
    edited August 2015
    While, as the good Mr Stodge says, the Conservatives are salivating over th eprospect of a Corbyn -led Labour Party, perhaps the old adage about being careful about what one wishes for could apply.

    As Nick Clegg found out when he got a share of Government!
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Any chance of the PLP deciding to appoint its own leader? I am not sure whether this would require simply a change in Standing Orders or effectively outright UDI but it might appeal to circa 200 members of the PLP who would continue to provide the Leader of the Opposition.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,721
    JEO said:

    We need more ministers like Eric Pickles:

    ‘What appears to have happened in Tower Hamlets is similar to what happened in Rotherham, in the sense that as with sexual exploitation, people just turned a blind eye because they were worried about community cohesion and the same seems to have happened in Tower Hamlets’.

    To clarify, I ask does he believe that politicians and officials were too concerned about multiculturalism and ignored the years of warning signs from Tower Hamlets? ‘Yes, of course’.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/sebastian-payne/2015/08/eric-pickles-interview-multiculturalism-is-to-blame-for-tower-hamlets-electoral-fraud/

    I can't help but think his straight-talking is because he's one of the few powerful politicians who are from outside the SPAD/London professional set.

    He's pretty much quoting from the judge's view on Tower Hamlets and Rotherham, re fear of causing offence leading to the problems, to the extent it took private citizens to expose it
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    2 New threads.

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    There are two new threads to choose from...
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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    I feel this Corbyn-mania is like something out of Dostoyevsky's "The Possessed." Someone from my school days has just retweeted me with her thumbs-up a quote from Corbyn about the Arts, in which he says that every child should have the right to perform and play a musical instrument. I thought this happened in schools, even if it is just shaking the odd tambourine. What's the point he's making? Every child has the right to achieve Grade 5? Every child right has the right to appear on X factor?
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    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    It seems the Conservatives on here are almost salivating (or worse) at the prospect of a Corbyn-led Labour Party.

    My only thought on this is that sometimes if you're in a party, there's no point swallowing 90% of your opponent's agenda simply to get into power even if you can. Whether some see Osbornomics as the new Butskellism or not, the Kendalls, Burnhams and Coopers of the world seem to have little more to offer than "we'll manage austerity better".

    Clearly, there is a significant minority who want a policy alternative to austerity. Now, that policy doesn't have to be credible but it's a platform they can go out to try and sell with conviction and if they can persuade enough people...

    It's the absence of the alternative that was one of the many failings of the Ed M/Ed B period. At no point from 2010-15 was there a crafted policy alternative - there were bits here and bits there but nothing in its entirety that suggested a policy on which they could unite and campaign.

    Corbyn may well have the bones of such a policy and his thinkers both inside and outside Labour may well seek to develop a new policy. Fine, present it, argue it and let the electorate pass judgement but to simply say "we agree with everything the other lot says" is no basis for campaigning and no activist will want to knock on doors if the alternative is simply more of the same.

    If you have a defence,foreign and immigration policy which is so anathema to the majority of voters in large parts of England and Wales at least will you ever be allowed to talk to voters on economic policy on the doorstep though?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RodCrosby said:

    I will be very interested in how JC discharges the "ceremonial" aspects of being Leader
    if he wins.For example we will have alot of WW1 commemoration events over the next 3 years leading to Armistice Day.How will he behave at these events;will he dress smartly;wear
    a poppy etc.The Press will be all over this.Similarly at set piece Parliamentary events,
    state funerals etc.
    On another point but related I have noticed the BBC is getting v uncomfortable that Corbyn could be Leader.They are completely pro Labour of course but also pro Monarchy;
    NATO and up to now more ambiguously pro Trident. I have noted they have started to use new descriptions for Trident such as the" nuclear weapons delivery system" when refer
    to it as they begin to position themselves for a Corbyn Leadership.How wil they react to his position on other issues where Labour will no longer represent their historic establishment line?

    http://www.islingtontribune.com/sites/all/files/nj_islington/imagecache/main_img/images/news/corbyn and thornberry_Remembrance Day_1902.jpg

    Better than Foot?

    Son of Foot?

    Is that a Hamas badge behind the poppy?
    That does look like the white poppy avaliable from the Peace Pledge Union.
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    Jeremy Corbyn is today revealed as the first choice of ordinary Londoners to lead the Labour Party — defying claims that his appeal is limited to Left-wingers and trade unionists.

    An exclusive YouGov poll for the Evening Standard reveals he has more support among the London public than his nearest rivals, Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper, put together.

    Moreover, he is more popular with the better-off ABC1 social classes, among both younger and older people, and those who voted Ukip or Liberal Democrat at the general election.

    Shadow health secretary Mr Burnham came second on 21 and Ms Cooper, the shadow home secretary, third on 20 per cent. Liz Kendall, the Blairite candidate, trailed at 12 per cent.

    Among people who voted Labour at the May election, Mr Corbyn enjoys a clear majority with 52 per cent.

    http://bit.ly/1INlciS

    The annoying thing with this article is the lack of detail about the question. Presumably the question was something like "who should lead the Labour party?" If you consider there are people who don't like the Labour party, then many of them may have put Corbyn. A better question would be: If the Labour party was led by X, how would it affect your likelihood to vote Labour at the next election - substantially more likely, slightly more likely, no difference, slightly less likely, substantially less likely.
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    edited August 2015

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Betting post: Lay Jowell, back Khan

    @georgeeaton: Ken Livingstone tells me that big influx of Corbyn supporters will help Sadiq Khan win mayoral nomination. 90% crossover in phonebanking.

    Back Zak for the mayoralty then - Khan can no more win than an Irishman could during the 80s - YG polling agrees.

    I'm laying Jowell and backing Zac. WIth regards the latter, I think he is overpriced at 3.25/3.3 no matter who the Labour candidate - I have no doubt he will be the Tory candidate.

    Bonus if Labour elect Corbyn; bonus if they elect Khan or Abbott.
    Do you think Lammy is out the race now ?

    (I mean he was barely in it, but I have a nice green number next to his name on Betfair right now :) )
    Funny thing is, some pundits have rated Lammy the most impressive at the hustings.
    Not a Mastermind though, is he?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsR4Nx-ELgc
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    justin124 said:

    Any chance of the PLP deciding to appoint its own leader? I am not sure whether this would require simply a change in Standing Orders or effectively outright UDI but it might appeal to circa 200 members of the PLP who would continue to provide the Leader of the Opposition.

    You will find that if elected Cornyn will ensure that the £3 patriots will be enrolled as full members and he will get whatever he wants in terms of Labour Party rules. And why shouldn't he? The Labour Party can do what it likes - but it should not expect the rest of us to be fooled its democratic or that everyone else will vote for them.
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    scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Scott_P

    I am a fairly recent but now pretty solid SNP and indy voter. However I have to say that if I wasn't, then just reading a few of your extraordinary posts would push me in that direction.

    I was wondering if you might be in the employ of the SNP to have that effect on people.
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