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    isamisam Posts: 40,894

    Well what do you expect from a Tory rag

    @SebastianEPayne: New Statesman comes out for Yvette Cooper http://t.co/BPIONlEnlL #Labourleadership

    Just taken the 3.0 on betfair for Yvette to come 2nd. She might even be favourite for that (notwithstanding that Burnham has a better chance of winning than she does).
    I'm contemplating taking the 8/1 on Jez as next PM
    That requires:

    (a) Cammo not to stand down before the election
    (b) Comrade Jeremy to win the leadership contest
    (c) Comrade Jeremy to survive as leader until the next election
    (d) Comrade Jeremy to win said election.

    Multiplying together reasonable probabilities for each of those is going to make 8/1 very mean, I would say.
    I know, I was comparing it to the 2/1 on Labour winning most seats at the next GE,

    Edit: Also what Antifrank said
    So are you recommending it as a bet or not?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    As usual both politicians and the public are jointly to blame for together believing in the fantasy that you could greatly increase the number of graduates without diminishing the value of a degree, as if the concept of inflation didn't exist.
    Plato said:
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    The final news organisation to move out of Fleet Street will be gone soon. Reuters started moving out in June and will finish the process by the end of this month:

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2005/jun/15/rupertmurdoch.pressandpublishing

    Is that story a decade old?
    I thought it was but the date says June 2015.
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    Just got an email:

    "Come and have a drink with Andy Burnham on Friday night in Colchester"

    I think I'll give it a miss!
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    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    The final news organisation to move out of Fleet Street will be gone soon. Reuters started moving out in June and will finish the process by the end of this month:

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2005/jun/15/rupertmurdoch.pressandpublishing

    Is that story a decade old?
    I thought it was but the date says June 2015.
    The left hand side of the article says June 2005
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    There's another YouGov Lab leadership poll in the field
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Plato said:
    I am not sure what message that graph is supposed to convey. There is no point in comparing graduates in non-graduate jobs between nations unless one also looks at what counts for a degree in each nation. Does the Netherlands, to pick a name, have a policy of sending 50% of 18 year olds to university.? If the universities in the Netherlands are not churning out undereducated, and sometimes barely-literate 21 year-olds with degrees from fourth rate institutions in nonsense subjects, then there can be no valid comparison with the UK graduate job prospects.
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    JWisemann said:

    the Tories took 300 years to have their first female leader, so labour still have a couple of centuries before they're behind.

    So THAT explains why Labour's attitude to women is from the early 1800's....
    Thatcher in her own words:

    The feminists hate me, don’t they? And I don’t blame them. For I hate feminism. It is poison.

    As quoted by Paul Johnson in "Failure of the Feminists", The Spectator, 12 March, 2011
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    June 15 2005!

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    The final news organisation to move out of Fleet Street will be gone soon. Reuters started moving out in June and will finish the process by the end of this month:

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2005/jun/15/rupertmurdoch.pressandpublishing

    Is that story a decade old?
    I thought it was but the date says June 2015.
    The left hand side of the article says June 2005
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited August 2015
    Barnesian said:


    We used to get the strap if we couldn't recite the answer to the catechism questions assigned for homework. One strap on day one. Double that the next day if you still didn't know the answer. Four the next day. Eight the next day. I never saw it get beyond eight. These were Irish Christian Brothers.

    Once, we retaliated by replacing a wooden peg holding up the blackboard with a stick of chalk, wet at one end. The water gradually softened the chalk until the blackboard fell down with an almighty clatter. How we all laughed, though we immediately regretted it. Fond memories.

    I went to a Christian Brothers school too, although they were in a minority of the teaching staff by my time.

    While they were certainly odd and very 'Oirish', they tended to use corporal punishment sparingly, and in a controlled manner.

    Certain lay-teachers, on the other hand, were psychopaths, and committed acts which would see them jailed today. Punches, head-butts, kicks, smashing heads with desk-lids, and in one case in a door frame.

    There was a gymnasium teacher (ex-army boxing champ, who claimed to be in the 1948 Olympic reserve team) who took delight in humiliating children, physically and verbally. He once strapped the entire class, just to prove, I think, that he could do it.

    He doubled, bizarrely, as Religious teacher, never bothering to change out of his gym gear for the purpose. If you attracted his ire, you would be hauled up to the front of the class and made to do 10 press-ups. If you stalled, you would be made to start again, and again...

    On one occasion, an asthmatic boy subjected to this treatment was getting no-where, much to the teacher's annoyance. He then stood on the prone boy's back, ordering him to "lift me up." We were twelve at the time...

    Strangely, as we got older the use of corporal punishment diminished, and it simply was never used on anyone in the Sixth Form.

    We were no angels, however, and "got away" with far more than we were ever punished for.

    A gang of children can be quite vicious too, when they detect weakness in a teacher. We put at least two in early graves, that I know of. These were people who were just temperamentally unsuited to teaching brats like us. We used to salivate over the double music lesson every week, when chaos was guaranteed. Poor Mr Harrison. We would goad him until he exploded, then laugh at him, throw things at him, until he was a gibbering, nervous wreck.
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    There's another YouGov Lab leadership poll in the field

    YouGov = YawwwwwwwwwnGov :lol:
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    tyson said:

    But Nick, do you think Corbyn in his wildest imagination could ever have imagined he would be a serious candidate for Labour leader.

    Jezza's walked through his entire political career as a serial protestor, which is fine- it enriches the political debate- but realistically he has never seen himself as a potential leader. He only went into this one because it was his turn- not quite that burning ambition that the likes of Brown had.

    I think that's right, but although I like Gordon and think he did a decent job in impossible circumstances, I'm not sure that it did him or anyone else any good to be consumed by ambition: it messed up an initially sound relationship with Tony and made governing substantially harder.

    Corbyn sees his candidacy as representing a broad progressive movement, and the latter as much more important than his personal position. I'm sure he'd agree that if he dropped dead tomorrow, people should have a 1-minute silence and then resume work on the project. I think that's quite attractive.
    Thats the judgement of a gerbil.
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    England doing their best to ensure the final test goes into a third day

    James Anderson to miss Oval Ashes Test for England against Australia

    http://bit.ly/1E5mOFz
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    England doing their best to ensure the final test goes into a third day

    James Anderson to miss Oval Ashes Test for England against Australia

    http://bit.ly/1E5mOFz

    https://twitter.com/tickerscricket/status/634010788534067200
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    Champagne all round at the bookies this evening I suspect !
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    England doing their best to ensure the final test goes into a third day

    James Anderson to miss Oval Ashes Test for England against Australia

    http://bit.ly/1E5mOFz

    twitter.com/tickerscricket/status/634010788534067200
    Whinging Aussies
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    RodCrosby said:

    Barnesian said:


    We used to get the strap if we couldn't recite the answer to the catechism questions assigned for homework. One strap on day one. Double that the next day if you still didn't know the answer. Four the next day. Eight the next day. I never saw it get beyond eight. These were Irish Christian Brothers.

    Once, we retaliated by replacing a wooden peg holding up the blackboard with a stick of chalk, wet at one end. The water gradually softened the chalk until the blackboard fell down with an almighty clatter. How we all laughed, though we immediately regretted it. Fond memories.

    I went to a Christian Brothers school too, although they were in a minority of the teaching staff by my time.

    While they were certainly odd and very 'Oirish', they tended to use corporal punishment sparingly, and in a controlled manner.

    Certain lay-teachers, on the other hand, were psychopaths, and committed acts which would see them jailed today. Punches, head-butts, kicks, smashing heads with desk-lids, and in one case in a door frame.

    There was a gymnasium teacher (ex-army boxing champ, who claimed to be in the 1948 Olympic reserve team) who took delight in humiliating children, physically and verbally. He once strapped the entire class, just to prove, I think, that he could do it.

    He doubled, bizarrely, as Religious teacher, never bothering to change out of his gym gear for the purpose. If you attracted his ire, you would be hauled up to the front of the class and made to do 10 press-ups. If you stalled, you would be made to start again, and again...

    On one occasion, an asthmatic boy subjected to this treatment was getting no-where, much to the teacher's annoyance. He then stood on the prone boy's back, ordering him to "lift me up." We were twelve at the time...

    Strangely, as we got older the use of corporal punishment diminished, and it simply was never used on anyone in the Sixth Form.

    We were no angels, however, and "got away" with far more than we were ever punished for.

    A gang of children can be quite vicious too, when they detect weakness in a teacher. We put at least two in early graves, that I know of. These were people who were just temperamentally unsuited to teaching brats like us. We used to salivate over the double music lesson every week, when chaos was guaranteed. Poor Mr Harrison. We would goad him until he exploded, then laugh at him, throw things at him, until he was a gibbering, nervous wreck.
    Mr Ruddick. Ah man.

    For whatever reason, gave up a teaching post at Cambridge to finish his career teaching secondary school kids.

    He was right, I guess, in that he let us learn through experiment and through failure. But dear christ, he was easy to get at.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,964
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Raining here. Maybe the weather will extend the cricket?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    AndyJS said:

    Charles said:

    Plato said:

    :love::love::love:

    I see a 'female libido pill' has been given approval in the USA. Frightening prospect.
    Looks like I'll have to start locking myself in the shed.

    Interesting. It's been rejected twice before, over efficacy, safety and questions about whether FHSD (female hypoactive sexual disorder) as actually a disease or just marketing bullsh*t.

    Intrigued that the FDA is comfortable approving centrally acting pharmaceuticals for a "social disease".
    Does the pill have physical or psychological effects?
    Centrally acting - activates the dopamine receptors from memory (product used to belong to a friend, so I spent some time looking at it, but that was a few years ago). So it's a physical mechanism that produces a psychological effect - as opposed to viagra, for instance, which is a vasodilator that has purely a physical impact. Side effects are nausea, etc.
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    Oh my

    A married SNP MP today said she is the victim of a smear campaign after her email address was one of millions released in a data hack on infidelity website Ashley Madison.

    Michelle Thomson, the MP for Edinburgh West, said her identity was 'harvested' by hackers who published details of the social network's 37million members including 1.2million in the UK.


    http://dailym.ai/1hoWWLh
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Oh my

    A married SNP MP today said she is the victim of a smear campaign after her email address was one of millions released in a data hack on infidelity website Ashley Madison.

    Michelle Thomson, the MP for Edinburgh West, said her identity was 'harvested' by hackers who published details of the social network's 37million members including 1.2million in the UK.


    http://dailym.ai/1hoWWLh

    Turnip.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    Plato said:
    I am not sure what message that graph is supposed to convey. There is no point in comparing graduates in non-graduate jobs between nations unless one also looks at what counts for a degree in each nation. Does the Netherlands, to pick a name, have a policy of sending 50% of 18 year olds to university.? If the universities in the Netherlands are not churning out undereducated, and sometimes barely-literate 21 year-olds with degrees from fourth rate institutions in nonsense subjects, then there can be no valid comparison with the UK graduate job prospects.
    Quite so. Post the early 90's we have conned the young and charged them for it on this. I think about 25% of the population had 5 GSCE's at C or above in the early 80's and about 10% has two A levels (doubtless someone will post the exact figures). Both cohorts were in a relatively better position vis a vis their age peer group than today's 21 year old graduates as well as being younger, and not having £40K plus of debt.

    I could buy the fact that to compete on a world stage we need to upskill and an increase in graduates was desirable, but nothing like to the level we have frankly.
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    Oh my

    A married SNP MP today said she is the victim of a smear campaign after her email address was one of millions released in a data hack on infidelity website Ashley Madison.

    Michelle Thomson, the MP for Edinburgh West, said her identity was 'harvested' by hackers who published details of the social network's 37million members including 1.2million in the UK.


    http://dailym.ai/1hoWWLh

    Turnip.
    Obviously this is a boost for the SNP and the cause of Scottish Independence
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Oh my

    A married SNP MP today said she is the victim of a smear campaign after her email address was one of millions released in a data hack on infidelity website Ashley Madison.

    Michelle Thomson, the MP for Edinburgh West, said her identity was 'harvested' by hackers who published details of the social network's 37million members including 1.2million in the UK.


    http://dailym.ai/1hoWWLh

    Turnip.
    Obviously this is a boost for the SNP and the cause of Scottish Independence
    It might be a boost for the cause of Michelle Thomson's independence.
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656

    Plato said:
    I am not sure what message that graph is supposed to convey. There is no point in comparing graduates in non-graduate jobs between nations unless one also looks at what counts for a degree in each nation. Does the Netherlands, to pick a name, have a policy of sending 50% of 18 year olds to university.? If the universities in the Netherlands are not churning out undereducated, and sometimes barely-literate 21 year-olds with degrees from fourth rate institutions in nonsense subjects, then there can be no valid comparison with the UK graduate job prospects.
    The problem isn't that they're overqualified but underqualified. We have fantastic elite universities, but our problem is that the bottom 50% of universities are very poor and give out degrees that don't provide useful skills for business. Perhaps share of graduates in non-graduate jobs should be a metric each university has to publish.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,209
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    JEO said:

    Plato said:
    I am not sure what message that graph is supposed to convey. There is no point in comparing graduates in non-graduate jobs between nations unless one also looks at what counts for a degree in each nation. Does the Netherlands, to pick a name, have a policy of sending 50% of 18 year olds to university.? If the universities in the Netherlands are not churning out undereducated, and sometimes barely-literate 21 year-olds with degrees from fourth rate institutions in nonsense subjects, then there can be no valid comparison with the UK graduate job prospects.
    The problem isn't that they're overqualified but underqualified. We have fantastic elite universities, but our problem is that the bottom 50% of universities are very poor and give out degrees that don't provide useful skills for business. Perhaps share of graduates in non-graduate jobs should be a metric each university has to publish.
    I thought this statistic was published.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    I've just received a text - from Jezbollah !
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,286
    Q: In the election to choose Labour's London Mayoral candidate, is voting restricted to only members / affiliates / £3 sign-ups WHO LIVE IN LONDON?
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    JEO said:
    I managed a mere 6/15, all of which I actually knew. The other 9 I had to guess (usually out of two) and I guessed wrong every time.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I got 11/15. Can't believe I got the first one wrong.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    antifrank said:
    Damn, and I was pleased to get 9/15 - and only a few were best guesses based on the names. How I knew Bishkek was the capital of Kyrgyzstan I have no idea.
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