Corbyn's pulled out of tomorrow's Andrew Marr Show
Stick a tub of lard on instead.
Serious comment - if he carries on playing like this he'll find out very rapidly that he's in the big boys' game now and that the rules remain the same as they always have. He needs friends in the press and he needs positive coverage.
Lots of senior Labour MPs finding passionate causes that they want to concentrate on which would sadly get in the way of being able to serve in the Shadow Cabinet.
Then they're bloody idiots because they won't have added to their CVs by the time the next leadership election comes round in 2018 or so. Even Tony Blair of blessed memory made his name in Opposition, not government.
Not sure your logic holds there, old chap. Haven't Labour just elected a leader who has never held a shadow or government post?
I don't think Burnham lent any nominations in the end, the responsibility for nominating Corbyn rests with the individual MP's who will have to now justify their actions. I'm not sure Cooper's result is good enough for her to run again in 2/3 years time.
It would have been unfortunate if MPs had prevented a candidate who 60% of the voters wanted from standing at all. People in the party who disagree with him need to develop an alternative, not rely on the nomination process to do the job for them.
If they feel that way, they shouldn't have had that nomination process at all, not at the level it was. Either you think the MPs should screen the candidates, or you don't - either's fine, but the party agreed the MPs should and then changed its mind, when maybe they should have just not had that system in the first place.
Lol at him pulling out of Marr. I feel like the Westminster bubble are going to be more angry about Jez not respecting the rituals like that, than they will be about his policies.
But, but the SNP were clapping in the Commons when they should have been braying like donkeys! It's not gentlemanly!
Michael Foot went ahead in the polls for about a year after being elected leader.
Let's see if Corbyn can do the same.
I think it's very likely.
Like Miliband, removing him will not even be on the agenda because he will get good polls.
Then there will be a real election and nobody will care about the answers they told the pollsters any more and they will vote Conservative instead.
Polling in 1980 was very different. The adjustments these days will make substantial opinion poll gains far less likely. Especially with the heavy down-weighting of infrequent voters.
To know just how unelectable Jeremy Corbyn is, don’t listen to his critics, but listen to his supporters. Yesterday I did the Daily Politics program with the Guardian’s Zoe Williams.
Could Jeremy Corbyn be elected prime minister, she was asked. This was her instinctive, verbatim, response: “Look … this whole idea that there’s a solid mass of the general public who sit in the centre and that’s where they always sit, this is completely fallacious I think. I mean, all these people who … the kind of Blairite Labour should be able to appeal to … if they are so multiple why did none of them join as supporters to vote for the person they wanted? So the idea we’ve got this very centre right country that can be drawn to the left by the right kind of cosmetic person … the idea that that exists is wrong. People respond to strong arguments. Now, whether or not Jeremy Corbyn is going to make the right arguments, whether or not he can be the person who can make those strong arguments remains to be seen.”
Corbyn's pulled out of tomorrow's Andrew Marr Show
Stick a tub of lard on instead.
Serious comment - if he carries on playing like this he'll find out very rapidly that he's in the big boys' game now and that the rules remain the same as they always have. He needs friends in the press and he needs positive coverage.
Agreed. Maybe every time he pulls out of an interview, he should be replaced by a researcher with a book of Corbyn quotes from the past 40 years, who can answer the questions on his behalf based on what he's said in the past.
As you say he's now playing the big boys' game with the big boys' rules, and he's not going to like it one bit.
Labour's new left-wing leader faces a baptism of fire over the next few weeks.
Key dates in the diary already include:
Sunday morning: TV interview with the BBC's Andrew Marr Monday: House of Commons vote on government's Trade Union bill, cracking down on strike laws Monday: Dinner with trade union barons at the TUC conference in Brighton Monday evening: First private meeting of Labour MPs Wednesday: First Prime Minister's Questions Tuesday September 29: Labour party conference leadership speech October: Expected vote on military action against ISIS in Syria
Hes pulled out of the Andy Marr show. Doesnt bode well.
Probably Corbyn didn't want to appear on TV as he will be too busy forming his shadow cabinet, or some such legitimate reason. The idea that he doesn't want to appear on Andrew Marr's programme because he will be expected to answer questions is wholly unjustified and the product of the feverish imaginations of vile tories.
Labour's new left-wing leader faces a baptism of fire over the next few weeks.
Key dates in the diary already include:
Sunday morning: TV interview with the BBC's Andrew Marr Monday: House of Commons vote on government's Trade Union bill, cracking down on strike laws Monday: Dinner with trade union barons at the TUC conference in Brighton Monday evening: First private meeting of Labour MPs Wednesday: First Prime Minister's Questions Tuesday September 29: Labour party conference leadership speech October: Expected vote on military action against ISIS in Syria
Corbyn's pulled out of tomorrow's Andrew Marr Show
Stick a tub of lard on instead.
Serious comment - if he carries on playing like this he'll find out very rapidly that he's in the big boys' game now and that the rules remain the same as they always have. He needs friends in the press and he needs positive coverage.
I think you are mistaking Corbyn with the Westminster elite. He is in this to change politics not to comply with the old way IMO
If he wants to appoint people from across the party he's presumably going to need to make clear pretty sharpish where he draws the line of which political positions he is going to insist they support under collective responsibility. People are not going to agree to serve without assurances on fundamental things like NATO membership, EU etc.
the kind of Blairite Labour should be able to appeal to … if they are so multiple why did none of them join as supporters to vote for the person they wanted?
Well, that is a good point. If the "Blairite" way so totally failed to enthuse people enough to sign up and vote even for the measly cost of £3, that doesn't exactly suggest it would manage to enthuse people in a general election.
Labour's new left-wing leader faces a baptism of fire over the next few weeks.
Key dates in the diary already include:
Sunday morning: TV interview with the BBC's Andrew Marr Monday: House of Commons vote on government's Trade Union bill, cracking down on strike laws Monday: Dinner with trade union barons at the TUC conference in Brighton Monday evening: First private meeting of Labour MPs Wednesday: First Prime Minister's Questions Tuesday September 29: Labour party conference leadership speech October: Expected vote on military action against ISIS in Syria
Hes pulled out of the Andy Marr show. Doesnt bode well.
Probably Corbyn didn't want to appear on TV as he will be too busy forming his shadow cabinet, or some such legitimate reason. The idea that he doesn't want to appear on Andrew Marr's programme because he will be expected to answer questions is wholly unjustified and the product of the feverish imaginations of vile tories.
But makes sense to the frothers on here Hurst. He has bigger fish to fry than listen to that plonker Marr sucking up to him.
Corbyn's pulled out of tomorrow's Andrew Marr Show
Stick a tub of lard on instead.
Serious comment - if he carries on playing like this he'll find out very rapidly that he's in the big boys' game now and that the rules remain the same as they always have. He needs friends in the press and he needs positive coverage.
Agreed. Maybe every time he pulls out of an interview, he should be replaced by a researcher with a book of Corbyn quotes from the past 40 years, who can answer the questions on his behalf based on what he's said in the past.
As you say he's now playing the big boys' game with the big boys' rules, and he's not going to like it one bit.
Thanks - I've never joined a party before, but with JC as the opposition it's clear that there's only one sensible party in the UK right now.
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I've voted in various elections Tory, Lib Dem, Plaid ( long long time ago), and yes Labour depending on the election, the candidate, the voting system, and the circumstance. True my world view is not exactly John Prescott shall we say a rule, but I'm also on record that I don't think Carwyn Jones does a bad job here in Wales ( should spend more on the NHS and less elsewhere mind) and he is exactly the sort of pragmatic safe left of centre competent person Labour used to have lots of whose motives you could not reasonably question, and whom I never saw as an active danger.
However, the bottom line about today is that LOTO is an absolute menace to this country, its security, and the real welfare of the vast majority of people living in it. The Labour Party truly entered Alice in Wonderland and the Mad Hatter is running the show. The sight of two London MPs ( Thornberry plus one) wrestling with the tautology of "I wanted him to win of course but I voted for Andy/Yvette" shows the plot is utterly and totally lost.
The man is a real danger and he needs calling out as such.
Lots of comments for a Saturday morning - has something been happening?
So will JC be our saviour?
'Engineers for Corbyn' in a happy mood today.
In all seriousness, I have no idea how this will all unfold. But I don’t think we had any other option than to give Radical Labour a go.
My thoughts too.
Anti Austerity is the only chance of a 2020 Lab victory IMO
By 2020 austerity is over. It's almost over now and we barely had any in the first place. In Greece and Spain anti-austerity parties do well because they had real austerity imposed on them by a foreign power. Here it doesn't do well (as seen in May) because most people didn't feel the effects of any cuts and a lot of people think they are a good thing.
Labour keep repeating the line that they have "turned around public opinion on migrants". Is there actually any evidence whatsoever of that being the case?
Corbyn's pulled out of tomorrow's Andrew Marr Show
Stick a tub of lard on instead.
Serious comment - if he carries on playing like this he'll find out very rapidly that he's in the big boys' game now and that the rules remain the same as they always have. He needs friends in the press and he needs positive coverage.
I think you are mistaking Corbyn with the Westminster elite. He is in this to change politics not to comply with the old way IMO
He might be in it to 'change politics' but that doesn't mean everyone else need play along. The media suffers notoriously from mental inertia and even if they were willing to engage in his new politics - whatever that means - I'm not sure they'd be able to.
Thanks - I've never joined a party before, but with JC as the opposition it's clear that there's only one sensible party in the UK right now.
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I've voted in various elections Tory, Lib Dem, Plaid ( long long time ago), and yes Labour depending on the election, the candidate, the voting system, and the circumstance. True my world view is not exactly John Prescott shall we say a rule, but I'm also on record that I don't think Carwyn Jones does a bad job here in Wales ( should spend more on the NHS and less elsewhere mind) and he is exactly the sort of pragmatic safe left of centre competent person Labour used to have lots of whose motives you could not reasonably question, and whom I never saw as an active danger.
However, the bottom line about today is that LOTO is an absolute menace to this country, its security, and the real welfare of the vast majority of people living in it. The Labour Party truly entered Alice in Wonderland and the Mad Hatter is running the show. The sight of two London MPs ( Thornberry plus one) wrestling with the tautology of "I wanted him to win of course but I voted for Andy/Yvette" shows the plot is utterly and totally lost.
The man is a real danger and he needs calling out as such.
Lots of comments for a Saturday morning - has something been happening?
So will JC be our saviour?
'Engineers for Corbyn' in a happy mood today.
In all seriousness, I have no idea how this will all unfold. But I don’t think we had any other option than to give Radical Labour a go.
My thoughts too.
Anti Austerity is the only chance of a 2020 Lab victory IMO
By 2020 austerity is over. It's almost over now and we barely had any in the first place. In Greece and Spain anti-austerity parties do well because they had real austerity imposed on them by a foreign power. Here it doesn't do well (as seen in May) because most people didn't feel the effects of any cuts and a lot of people think they are a good thing.
Ha Ha Ha , most people will not have their Dad's old boy network to get them cushy jobs to line their pockets and will be very much mired in austerity in 2020.
Labour keep repeating the line that they have "turned around public opinion on migrants". Is there actually any evidence whatsoever of that being the case?
No, I think they are going for the "big lie" on this one. Say something enough times for it to be taken as the truth regardless of any evidence showing the contrary.
the kind of Blairite Labour should be able to appeal to … if they are so multiple why did none of them join as supporters to vote for the person they wanted?
Well, that is a good point. If the "Blairite" way so totally failed to enthuse people enough to sign up and vote even for the measly cost of £3, that doesn't exactly suggest it would manage to enthuse people in a general election.
Because Labour has just engaged in a voodoo poll, measuring simply those who care enough to get involved.
Labour's new left-wing leader faces a baptism of fire over the next few weeks.
Key dates in the diary already include:
Sunday morning: TV interview with the BBC's Andrew Marr Monday: House of Commons vote on government's Trade Union bill, cracking down on strike laws Monday: Dinner with trade union barons at the TUC conference in Brighton Monday evening: First private meeting of Labour MPs Wednesday: First Prime Minister's Questions Tuesday September 29: Labour party conference leadership speech October: Expected vote on military action against ISIS in Syria
Hes pulled out of the Andy Marr show. Doesnt bode well.
Probably Corbyn didn't want to appear on TV as he will be too busy forming his shadow cabinet, or some such legitimate reason. The idea that he doesn't want to appear on Andrew Marr's programme because he will be expected to answer questions is wholly unjustified and the product of the feverish imaginations of vile tories.
From a media management point of view I'd wonder about the immediate interview anyway. He's the big political story of this weekend at least in any case. Why not spend the time getting things lined up, delay your first interview and you can make that a news event as well. Say on the 20th before conference.
Right, I'm now predicting Carson as GOP candidate. So that's him done for.
I expect a little rise in the polls for Labour; Jezza is still a breath of fresh air and the rancid reek of seventies Trot has yet to percolate through.
Because Labour has just engaged in a voodoo poll, measuring simply those who care enough to get involved.
But that's the point. If the Blairite message couldn't GET normal people to care enough to sign up (even at bargain price), why would they get normal people to care about that message in a GE?
Thanks - I've never joined a party before, but with JC as the opposition it's clear that there's only one sensible party in the UK right now.
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I've voted in various elections Tory, Lib Dem, Plaid ( long long time ago), and yes Labour depending on the election, the candidate, the voting system, and the circumstance. True my world view is not exactly John Prescott shall we say a rule, but I'm also on record that I don't think Carwyn Jones does a bad job here in Wales ( should spend more on the NHS and less elsewhere mind) and he is exactly the sort of pragmatic safe left of centre competent person Labour used to have lots of whose motives you could not reasonably question, and whom I never saw as an active danger.
However, the bottom line about today is that LOTO is an absolute menace to this country, its security, and the real welfare of the vast majority of people living in it. The Labour Party truly entered Alice in Wonderland and the Mad Hatter is running the show. The sight of two London MPs ( Thornberry plus one) wrestling with the tautology of "I wanted him to win of course but I voted for Andy/Yvette" shows the plot is utterly and totally lost.
The man is a real danger and he needs calling out as such.
Michael Foot went ahead in the polls for about a year after being elected leader.
Let's see if Corbyn can do the same.
I think it's very likely.
Like Miliband, removing him will not even be on the agenda because he will get good polls.
Then there will be a real election and nobody will care about the answers they told the pollsters any more and they will vote Conservative instead.
He will not get good polls Ed Miliband trailed Cameron badly as preferred PM and more final polls had the Tories ahead than Labour in 1983 Labour polled even worse in the final polls than the score they got. The Tories first polls under IDS had them on about 28/29% and I expect Labour to get about the same now
Lots of comments for a Saturday morning - has something been happening?
So will JC be our saviour?
'Engineers for Corbyn' in a happy mood today.
In all seriousness, I have no idea how this will all unfold. But I don’t think we had any other option than to give Radical Labour a go.
My thoughts too.
Anti Austerity is the only chance of a 2020 Lab victory IMO
By 2020 austerity is over. It's almost over now and we barely had any in the first place. In Greece and Spain anti-austerity parties do well because they had real austerity imposed on them by a foreign power. Here it doesn't do well (as seen in May) because most people didn't feel the effects of any cuts and a lot of people think they are a good thing.
Biggest risk for the Conseratives now is that they use the election of Corbyn as an excuse to move Left. As well as being wrong, it will also open up their right-flank to UKIP again.
They must stick to their current course and manifesto.
Labour keep repeating the line that they have "turned around public opinion on migrants". Is there actually any evidence whatsoever of that being the case?
No, I think they are going for the "big lie" on this one. Say something enough times for it to be taken as the truth regardless of any evidence showing the contrary.
Another incident of Labour pandering to the electorate they wish they had, rather than dealing with the one they really have.
How soon will it be before desperate PB Tory "Refugees" take to crossing the English Channel in flimsy craft to reach the promised land of... er, France?
Because Labour has just engaged in a voodoo poll, measuring simply those who care enough to get involved.
But that's the point. If the Blairite message couldn't GET normal people to care enough to sign up (even at bargain price), why would they get normal people to care about that message in a GE?
Because Labour has just engaged in a voodoo poll, measuring simply those who care enough to get involved.
But that's the point. If the Blairite message couldn't GET normal people to care enough to sign up (even at bargain price), why would they get normal people to care about that message in a GE?
Because centrist politics doesn't fire people up? Still gets them out on election day.
Thanks - I've never joined a party before, but with JC as the opposition it's clear that there's only one sensible party in the UK right now.
MASSIVE SPOILER: Commenters on PB are Conservatives
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I've voted in various elections Tory, Lib Dem, Plaid ( long long time ago), and yes Labour depending on the election, the candidate, the voting system, and the circumstance. True my world view is not exactly John Prescott shall we say a rule, but I'm also on record that I don't think Carwyn Jones does a bad job here in Wales ( should spend more on the NHS and less elsewhere mind) and he is exactly the sort of pragmatic safe left of centre competent person Labour used to have lots of whose motives you could not reasonably question, and whom I never saw as an active danger.
However, the bottom line about today is that LOTO is an absolute menace to this country, its security, and the real welfare of the vast majority of people living in it. The Labour Party truly entered Alice in Wonderland and the Mad Hatter is running the show. The sight of two London MPs ( Thornberry plus one) wrestling with the tautology of "I wanted him to win of course but I voted for Andy/Yvette" shows the plot is utterly and totally lost.
The man is a real danger and he needs calling out as such.
I do like Dan Hodges' turn of phrase. He could turn out totally wrong (though I thought that about his Ed is crap stance), but his sherpa analogy was a good one.
What on earth has happened to the Blairites? Both Cooper and Burnham were dragged to the left by Corbyn, particularly the latter. Kendall was the one true 'modernising' candidate. I don't mean to be cruel to her but 18,000 votes is pitiful. All the Blairites had to do was pay £3 to support her. Even as it became clear she wouldn't win, at least a decent vote share would have been a sign that the modernisers weren't dead.
So one of two things must have happened. Blairism, like Nazism after world war 2, has simply evaporated into the ether or the Blairites have simply given up on the Labour Party.
Antony Little @antonylittle 5m5 minutes ago Liz Kendall confirms her resignation as Shadow Care Minister
Labour much better off without the Ultra Blairites in the cabinet. No good them calling for unity then taking their bat home after a resounding defeat. Perhaps they would consider a by election against a Corbyn supporting Labour Candidate.
Labour keep repeating the line that they have "turned around public opinion on migrants". Is there actually any evidence whatsoever of that being the case?
No, I think they are going for the "big lie" on this one. Say something enough times for it to be taken as the truth regardless of any evidence showing the contrary.
Another incident of Labour pandering to the electorate they wish they had, rather than dealing with the one they really have.
I see JCorbyn has already pulled out of Marr tomorrow. It seems the MSM are going to have to grovel, lick his sandals and (all parts in between) if they want an interview. Probably the only thing I will ever agree with him on.
'Almost' feel sorry for Harriet Harman, it looks like the women in the Labour party have gone backwards. But then they are a pretty mediocre bunch.
The tories need to be careful with this and should let things die down before commentating but then they probably won't. Politics is more macho than it ever was.
Thanks - I've never joined a party before, but with JC as the opposition it's clear that there's only one sensible party in the UK right now.
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Even the floating voters on pb are Conservatives.
I've voted in various elections Tory, Lib Dem, Plaid ( long long time ago), and yes Labour depending on the election, the candidate, the voting system, and the circumstance. True my world view is not exactly John Prescott shall we say a rule, but I'm also on record that I don't think Carwyn Jones does a bad job here in Wales ( should spend more on the NHS and less elsewhere mind) and he is exactly the sort of pragmatic safe left of centre competent person Labour used to have lots of whose motives you could not reasonably question, and whom I never saw as an active danger.
However, the bottom line about today is that LOTO is an absolute menace to this country, its security, and the real welfare of the vast majority of people living in it. The Labour Party truly entered Alice in Wonderland and the Mad Hatter is running the show. The sight of two London MPs ( Thornberry plus one) wrestling with the tautology of "I wanted him to win of course but I voted for Andy/Yvette" shows the plot is utterly and totally lost.
The man is a real danger and he needs calling out as such.
So Labour did and done it; they have elected a left wing fascist of the first water. Not only that, they have also elected a thug as deputy leader named Watson.
The only saving grace is that they are not in power; but watch out! Anti semitism and a muslim love in will be the the norm from Labour.
I also see that the resignations from the present shadow cabinet has started. Will Labour split? Unlikely, as MP's such as Lammy and Khan are already sucking at Corbyn's arsehole.
Because Labour has just engaged in a voodoo poll, measuring simply those who care enough to get involved.
But that's the point. If the Blairite message couldn't GET normal people to care enough to sign up (even at bargain price), why would they get normal people to care about that message in a GE?
Well Corbyn is leader and the Tory first reaction is as I predicted blowing their fuse and screaming that a 66 year old vegetarian from north Islington is the biggest threat to national security since Joan of Arc.
Because Labour has just engaged in a voodoo poll, measuring simply those who care enough to get involved.
But that's the point. If the Blairite message couldn't GET normal people to care enough to sign up (even at bargain price), why would they get normal people to care about that message in a GE?
Because centrist politics doesn't fire people up? Still gets them out on election day.
If £3 registration had been on offer in 1994, Blair would definitely have got a lot of "normal" people to sign up. Because what he was offering actually WAS in tune with the mood of the times, in a way that it just isn't in tune with the mood now (in any country).
What on earth has happened to the Blairites? Both Cooper and Burnham were dragged to the left by Corbyn, particularly the latter. Kendall was the one true 'modernising' candidate. I don't mean to be cruel to her but 18,000 votes is pitiful. All the Blairites had to do was pay £3 to support her. Even as it became clear she wouldn't win, at least a decent vote share would have been a sign that the modernisers weren't dead.
So one of two things must have happened. Blairism, like Nazism after world war 2, has simply evaporated into the ether or the Blairites have simply given up on the Labour Party.
Blairites are like Tory moderates, there aren't many of them but normal people without strong political tendencies prefer them to a government of Corbynistas/PB Tories.
What on earth has happened to the Blairites? Both Cooper and Burnham were dragged to the left by Corbyn, particularly the latter. Kendall was the one true 'modernising' candidate. I don't mean to be cruel to her but 18,000 votes is pitiful. All the Blairites had to do was pay £3 to support her. Even as it became clear she wouldn't win, at least a decent vote share would have been a sign that the modernisers weren't dead.
So one of two things must have happened. Blairism, like Nazism after world war 2, has simply evaporated into the ether or the Blairites have simply given up on the Labour Party.
Both. Blairism is discredited, and Blairite voters back the Tories or Lib Dems or stay at home.
Well Corbyn is leader and the Tory first reaction is as I predicted blowing their fuse and screaming that a 66 year old vegetarian from north Islington is the biggest threat to national security since Joan of Arc.
Thanks - I've never joined a party before, but with JC as the opposition it's clear that there's only one sensible party in the UK right now.
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I've voted in various elections Tory, Lib Dem, Plaid ( long long time ago), and yes Labour depending on the election, the candidate, the voting system, and the circumstance. True my world view is not exactly John Prescott shall we say a rule, but I'm also on record that I don't think Carwyn Jones does a bad job here in Wales ( should spend more on the NHS and less elsewhere mind) and he is exactly the sort of pragmatic safe left of centre competent person Labour used to have lots of whose motives you could not reasonably question, and whom I never saw as an active danger.
However, the bottom line about today is that LOTO is an absolute menace to this country, its security, and the real welfare of the vast majority of people living in it. The Labour Party truly entered Alice in Wonderland and the Mad Hatter is running the show. The sight of two London MPs ( Thornberry plus one) wrestling with the tautology of "I wanted him to win of course but I voted for Andy/Yvette" shows the plot is utterly and totally lost.
The man is a real danger and he needs calling out as such.
Ha Ha Ha, back behind the sofa jelly boy
Fuck off
Better look under the bed at night, Jeremy Corbyn might be under it planning to steal your jelly beans. BOOO.
Michael Foot went ahead in the polls for about a year after being elected leader.
Let's see if Corbyn can do the same.
I think it's very likely.
Like Miliband, removing him will not even be on the agenda because he will get good polls.
Then there will be a real election and nobody will care about the answers they told the pollsters any more and they will vote Conservative instead.
He will not get good polls Ed Miliband trailed Cameron badly as preferred PM and more final polls had the Tories ahead than Labour in 1983 Labour polled even worse in the final polls than the score they got. The Tories first polls under IDS had them on about 28/29% and I expect Labour to get about the same now
Final polls didn't matter in 2013. What mattered was polls with 10-point Labour leads over Conservatives. If anybody thinks that is impossible this parliament, more power to them but I disagree.
So Labour did and done it; they have elected a left wing fascist of the first water. Not only that, they have also elected a thug as deputy leader named Watson.
The only saving grace is that they are not in power; but watch out! Anti semitism and a muslim love in will be the the norm from Labour.
I also see that the resignations from the present shadow cabinet has started. Will Labour split? Unlikely, as MP's such as Lammy and Khan are already sucking at Corbyn's arsehole.
Stop beating about the bush, Mr Kaye! Tell us what you REALLY think LOL!
Thanks - I've never joined a party before, but with JC as the opposition it's clear that there's only one sensible party in the UK right now.
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I've voted in various elections Tory, Lib Dem, Plaid ( long long time ago), and yes Labour depending on the election, the candidate, the voting system, and the circumstance. True my world view is not exactly John Prescott shall we say a rule, but I'm also on record that I don't think Carwyn Jones does a bad job here in Wales ( should spend more on the NHS and less elsewhere mind) and he is exactly the sort of pragmatic safe left of centre competent person Labour used to have lots of whose motives you could not reasonably question, and whom I never saw as an active danger.
However, the bottom line about today is that LOTO is an absolute menace to this country, its security, and the real welfare of the vast majority of people living in it. The Labour Party truly entered Alice in Wonderland and the Mad Hatter is running the show. The sight of two London MPs ( Thornberry plus one) wrestling with the tautology of "I wanted him to win of course but I voted for Andy/Yvette" shows the plot is utterly and totally lost.
The man is a real danger and he needs calling out as such.
Ha Ha Ha, back behind the sofa jelly boy
Fuck off
Better look under the bed at night, Jeremy Corbyn might be under it planning to steal your jelly beans. BOOO.
I think Kevin's piece is pretty fair and would agree with his conclusion:
"I, like everybody else including the new leader himself, didn't see it coming a few months ago. It's exciting. It's terrifying. It'll be a roller-coaster ride. So ignore those arrogantly insisting they know this journey will end in Hell or Heaven. Because Labour's taken a giant leap into the unknown."
Well Corbyn is leader and the Tory first reaction is as I predicted blowing their fuse and screaming that a 66 year old vegetarian from north Islington is the biggest threat to national security since Joan of Arc.
Thanks - I've never joined a party before, but with JC as the opposition it's clear that there's only one sensible party in the UK right now.
MASSIVE SPOILER: Commenters on PB are Conservatives
Even the floating voters on pb are Conservatives.
I've voted in various elections Tory, Lib Dem, Plaid ( long long time ago), and yes Labour depending on the election, the candidate, the voting system, and the circumstance. True my world view is not exactly John Prescott shall we say a rule, but I'm also on record that I don't think Carwyn Jones does a bad job here in Wales ( should spend more on the NHS and less elsewhere mind) and he is exactly the sort of pragmatic safe left of centre competent person Labour used to have lots of whose motives you could not reasonably question, and whom I never saw as an active danger.
However, the bottom line about today is that LOTO is an absolute menace to this country, its security, and the real welfare of the vast majority of people living in it. The Labour Party truly entered Alice in Wonderland and the Mad Hatter is running the show. The sight of two London MPs ( Thornberry plus one) wrestling with the tautology of "I wanted him to win of course but I voted for Andy/Yvette" shows the plot is utterly and totally lost.
The man is a real danger and he needs calling out as such.
Ha Ha Ha, back behind the sofa jelly boy
Fuck off
Better look under the bed at night, Jeremy Corbyn might be under it planning to steal your jelly beans. BOOO.
Well Corbyn is leader and the Tory first reaction is as I predicted blowing their fuse and screaming that a 66 year old vegetarian from north Islington is the biggest threat to national security since Joan of Arc.
I think that is over simplfying the attach, which may well be ovredone but could have resonance - in that as LOTO or PM, such a person as with his views would be a threat.
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Like Miliband, removing him will not even be on the agenda because he will get good polls.
Then there will be a real election and nobody will care about the answers they told the pollsters any more and they will vote Conservative instead.
Serious comment - if he carries on playing like this he'll find out very rapidly that he's in the big boys' game now and that the rules remain the same as they always have. He needs friends in the press and he needs positive coverage.
Oh wait, they just elected a dinosaur as leader.
They've gone for 'the nutter on the bus' and the Billy Bunter - not an ovary between them. Have they got a problem with women?
Meanwhile, a voter who backed both Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband speaks:
@SophyRidgeSky: Gillian Duffy has just texted me (seriously): "Vey sad will not vote Lab again" #labourleadership
Thatll be going down like a cup of cold sick in middle england
As you say he's now playing the big boys' game with the big boys' rules, and he's not going to like it one bit.
But a part of me is still excited and hoping Jez can make this work.
Probably Corbyn didn't want to appear on TV as he will be too busy forming his shadow cabinet, or some such legitimate reason. The idea that he doesn't want to appear on Andrew Marr's programme because he will be expected to answer questions is wholly unjustified and the product of the feverish imaginations of vile tories.
He has some fish to fillet
So will JC be our saviour?
'Engineers for Corbyn' in a happy mood today.
In all seriousness, I have no idea how this will all unfold. But I don’t think we had any other option than to give Radical Labour a go.
That's why Cooper lost.
I think you are mistaking Corbyn with the Westminster elite. He is in this to change politics not to comply with the old way IMO
Anti Austerity is the only chance of a 2020 Lab victory IMO
https://www.twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/642657581077516288
Liz Kendall confirms her resignation as Shadow Care Minister
But makes sense to the frothers on here Hurst. He has bigger fish to fry than listen to that plonker Marr sucking up to him.
However, the bottom line about today is that LOTO is an absolute menace to this country, its security, and the real welfare of the vast majority of people living in it. The Labour Party truly entered Alice in Wonderland and the Mad Hatter is running the show. The sight of two London MPs ( Thornberry plus one) wrestling with the tautology of "I wanted him to win of course but I voted for Andy/Yvette" shows the plot is utterly and totally lost.
The man is a real danger and he needs calling out as such.
Fallon got it right: Labour under Corbyn threaten your physical security as well as your economic security.
No-one will vote for that, except the ideologues and those who already have nothing to lose (and can be bothered actually voting).
Hat tip to Monty Python.
Because Labour has just engaged in a voodoo poll, measuring simply those who care enough to get involved.
From a media management point of view I'd wonder about the immediate interview anyway. He's the big political story of this weekend at least in any case. Why not spend the time getting things lined up, delay your first interview and you can make that a news event as well. Say on the 20th before conference.
I expect a little rise in the polls for Labour; Jezza is still a breath of fresh air and the rancid reek of seventies Trot has yet to percolate through.
But it will.
They must stick to their current course and manifesto.
(only kidding!)
Unless its a general election.
So one of two things must have happened. Blairism, like Nazism after world war 2, has simply evaporated into the ether or the Blairites have simply given up on the Labour Party.
"Ha Ha Ha, back behind the sofa jelly boy."
You're just a contrarian. I know you'd hate Jezza as PM.
It isn't.
'Almost' feel sorry for Harriet Harman, it looks like the women in the Labour party have gone backwards. But then they are a pretty mediocre bunch.
The tories need to be careful with this and should let things die down before commentating but then they probably won't. Politics is more macho than it ever was.
'Yvette Cooper ALMOST said Tom and Jerry'
Has there ever been a duo elected that's more voter repellent ?
The only saving grace is that they are not in power; but watch out! Anti semitism and a muslim love in will be the the norm from Labour.
I also see that the resignations from the present shadow cabinet has started. Will Labour split? Unlikely, as MP's such as Lammy and Khan are already sucking at Corbyn's arsehole.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-taken-massive-leap-unknown-6429013
I think Kevin's piece is pretty fair and would agree with his conclusion:
"I, like everybody else including the new leader himself, didn't see it coming a few months ago. It's exciting. It's terrifying. It'll be a roller-coaster ride. So ignore those arrogantly insisting they know this journey will end in Hell or Heaven. Because Labour's taken a giant leap into the unknown."
#Veggies4Corbyn !