I thought @MTimT got it right earlier when he said as an outsider, it'd be very hard to tell who was a Kipper, LD, Tory, SNPer and even Labourite on here when it came to Corbyn threads.
Is political betting just a right-wing talking shop? Just wondered because it comes over that way.
No. It does, but it's not.
There are centrists and leftists and even the odd cybernat on here. Stick it out.
Yeah, we're noisier than usual due to winning a majority when being told we'd never win one ever again (that might take a while to dissipate), and because of the right horlicks the Labour party are in these days
The Conservatives should absolutely not move left in response to Corbyn. Labour will lose the next general election, and the reformers that take over will have to close the gap to where the Tories are to show they are no longer left wing nutters. The more right wing the Tories are, the further right the new consensus will be.
As @Richard_Tyndall said on the previous thread, given Labour's present state of ineptitude, the parliamentary opposition is going to be within the Conservative party. But what about the extra-parliamentary opposition that is likely to develop? This is Corbyn's terra firma. It's what he knows about. His recent shunning of the media and his predilection for street protest give us some idea about how his version of opposition might play out. And he has the ground troops for this. Wasn't it also Michael Foot's MO back in the day? There is now a different ball game.
Is political betting just a right-wing talking shop? Just wondered because it comes over that way.
Political betting just reflects the election result that shows right wingers are a majority of the country.
Your interpretation is understandable, Mr Estobar. It does come over that way at times. Not many people here gave serious thought to Henry Mason´s excellent piece. They just rubbished it, as they are wont to do.
But I think you are right, and Mr JEO is wrong. I have the impression that most of the people who voted for UKIP at the last election are not greatly bothered about Europe, nor even about immigation as such. They just wanted to give a kicking to the political establishment.
As such, they are sitting ducks waiting to be caught in Mr Corbyn´s net. So there could be an opportunity for Labour in their latest anti-establishment moves.
On the other hand, if the destructive anarchist tendency takes over the Labour Party, there is surely a growing space for a responsible, compassionate party - which has to be the Liberal Democrats.
As Henry Mason says, Cameron´s Conservatives are busy giving up all the moderate centre ground that he worked so hard to cultivate.
The reason the article - and by the way it's Henry MaNson not Mason - was rubbished was because HM seemed to think that cutting back on child benefit was an example of a government being authoritarian. This is a fantastically stupid example to use.
The only worthwhile point he made was one that a number of right wingers on here - DavidL for instance - made a few days ago - which is that it is essential to have a worthwhile opposition because without one governments become hubristic, complacent, lazy and this is not in the interests of good government of us all, regardless of party affiliation.
I think we're all guilty of selective memory. I remember this site being much more left wing back in '06 & '07.
There are plenty of right-of-centre posters who will cheerfully give Cameron's government a good kicking when they do or say something that warrants it. Cameron's cheerful and repeated conflation of deficit and debt is but one issue.
Henry's article was, I'm sorry to say, poor quality by his own standards, and people of all stripes rightly pointed this out.
I do think that Labour supporters have developed a perceptual bias; I'm old enough to remember what both real left wing and real right wing governments look like.
Cameron's administration is, despite any huffing and puffing to the contrary, reasonably centrist. However, like generals fighting the last war, they keep asserting (against all common sense) that Cameron is Fatcha the Snatcha reincarnated.
Is political betting just a right-wing talking shop? Just wondered because it comes over that way.
No. It does, but it's not.
There are centrists and leftists and even the odd cybernat on here. Stick it out.
OK I'll try. It does seem quite rabidly right wing though not as much as Guido Fawkes with all its zionist propaganda.
Don't forget @IOS. He's a frequent poster, though has seemingly been on a long vacation since his last contribution on May 6. Maybe he went with @compouter2, who hasn't been seen since May 8?
Nope you are misquoting me. I said Skype and the like could make it unnecessary if we had the proper investment in high speed fibre optic broadband. But since we are squandering such vast sums of money on HS2 it doesn't seem that is going to be a possibility in the foreseeable future.
As an aside many companies have drastically reduced the number of people travelling offshore to the North Sea by the use of remote operations. Where the oil companies lead, eventually many other companies will follow - but only if the infrastructure is available.
Sorry for misquoting you, but your clarification makes your position even more doubtful.
As I pointed out at the time - it was at least two years ago - the rise in passenger numbers has risen in line with usage of the Internet, starting from roughly the same point in the early 1990s. Since our last discussion, passenger numbers have continued to shoot up as Internet usage has increased.
You seem to be thinking that there will be a magic point at which Internet speeds will make much travel unnecessary. This is a leap of faith on your part, and goes against what we have seen so far. It seems a rather odd assumption on which to base transport policy.
Your point on the North Sea industry is even less relevant than the mention of Birmingham above. at least, unless they re-route HS2 to take a more easterly route.
Is political betting just a right-wing talking shop? Just wondered because it comes over that way.
Political betting just reflects the election result that shows right wingers are a majority of the country.
Your interpretation is understandable, Mr Estobar. It does come over that way at times. Not many people here gave serious thought to Henry Mason´s excellent piece. They just rubbished it, as they are wont to do.
But I think you are right, and Mr JEO is wrong. I have the impression that most of the people who voted for UKIP at the last election are not greatly bothered about Europe, nor even about immigation as such. They just wanted to give a kicking to the political establishment.
As such, they are sitting ducks waiting to be caught in Mr Corbyn´s net. So there could be an opportunity for Labour in their latest anti-establishment moves.
On the other hand, if the destructive anarchist tendency takes over the Labour Party, there is surely a growing space for a responsible, compassionate party - which has to be the Liberal Democrats.
As Henry Mason says, Cameron´s Conservatives are busy giving up all the moderate centre ground that he worked so hard to cultivate.
The reason the article - and by the way it's Henry MaNson not Mason - was rubbished was because HM seemed to think that cutting back on child benefit was an example of a government being authoritarian. This is a fantastically stupid example to use.
The only worthwhile point he made was one that a number of right wingers on here - DavidL for instance - made a few days ago - which is that it is essential to have a worthwhile opposition because without one governments become hubristic, complacent, lazy and this is not in the interests of good government of us all, regardless of party affiliation.
I think we're all guilty of selective memory. I remember this site being much more left wing back in '06 & '07.
There are plenty of right-of-centre posters who will cheerfully give Cameron's government a good kicking when they do or say something that warrants it. Cameron's cheerful and repeated conflation of deficit and debt is but one issue.
Henry's article was, I'm sorry to say, poor quality by his own standards, and people of all stripes rightly pointed this out.
I do think that Labour supporters have developed a perceptual bias; I'm old enough to remember what both real left wing and real right wing governments look like.
Cameron's administration is, despite any huffing and puffing to the contrary, reasonably centrist. However, like generals fighting the last war, they keep asserting (against all common sense) that Cameron is Fatcha the Snatcha reincarnated.
Is political betting just a right-wing talking shop? Just wondered because it comes over that way.
No. It does, but it's not.
There are centrists and leftists and even the odd cybernat on here. Stick it out.
OK I'll try. It does seem quite rabidly right wing though not as much as Guido Fawkes with all its zionist propaganda.
Don't forget @IOS. He's a frequent poster, though has seemingly been on a long vacation since his last contribution on May 6. Maybe he went with @compouter2, who hasn't been seen since May 8?
I recall IOS posting something about Labour's ground game. Although I could be mistaken?
Is political betting just a right-wing talking shop? Just wondered because it comes over that way.
No. It does, but it's not.
There are centrists and leftists and even the odd cybernat on here. Stick it out.
OK I'll try. It does seem quite rabidly right wing though not as much as Guido Fawkes with all its zionist propaganda.
Don't forget @IOS. He's a frequent poster, though has seemingly been on a long vacation since his last contribution on May 6. Maybe he went with @compouter2, who hasn't been seen since May 8?
So you are relying upon the possibility of a redevelopment that is not even being planned and may well never happen to deal with a congestion issue which will happen and is already being planned.
And you are relying on Internet speeds halting the rise in passenger travel that has been happening since the Internet first became popular. Which, from what we've seen so far, seems a rather forlorn hope.
Besides, I'm not relying on anything: I'm saying let's wait for details of the plans, rather than Gilligan's spin on them. I've already said many times that HS2's future depends on Euston, and it's quite possible that it will kill the project. You're just getting the funeral shroud out a trifle early.
Don't forget @IOS. He's a frequent poster, though has seemingly been on a long vacation since his last contribution on May 6. Maybe he went with @compouter2, who hasn't been seen since May 8?
What happened to @BenM? I would have thought he'd be here telling us how great McDonnell's economics policies are.
Don't forget @IOS. He's a frequent poster, though has seemingly been on a long vacation since his last contribution on May 6. Maybe he went with @compouter2, who hasn't been seen since May 8?
What happened to BenM? I would have thought he'd be here telling us how great McDonnell's economics policies are.
He's been around on twitter. He wanted to take a break from politics after the result in May.
He's not a fan of Corbyn. This was Ben's tweet a few days ago
Out of curiosity + respect for his sweeping democratic mandate I'll give Corbyn a few months grace. But feel Labour has made terminal error.
Is political betting just a right-wing talking shop? Just wondered because it comes over that way.
No. It does, but it's not.
There are centrists and leftists and even the odd cybernat on here. Stick it out.
OK I'll try. It does seem quite rabidly right wing though not as much as Guido Fawkes with all its zionist propaganda.
Don't forget @IOS. He's a frequent poster, though has seemingly been on a long vacation since his last contribution on May 6. Maybe he went with @compouter2, who hasn't been seen since May 8?
BBC reporting all seems smooth and pretty supportive, pointing out over 50% of appointments are women: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk
Sky News are clearly in a massive tizz, rather like some people on here: http://news.sky.com Darren McCaffrey's made a bit of a dick of himself
I don't think I'll be getting my news from the comments section of political betting
The BBC have got it wrong. The majority of the members of the Shadow Cabinet are men. There are an additional 9 who can attend but are not members and of those the majority are women: 6 to 3. So there are a majority of women in the second rank role.
The Labour party has a problem with women, it seems. In its favour it's not as bad as the Lib Dems. Maybe one day it will catch up with the Tories.
I have always known I enjoy politics, but I never realised I could enjoy politics THIS MUCH.
Murdoch propaganda machine. I hope Corbyn gets it closed down.
Not keen on press freedom are we?
Not when it's an Australian Islamophobe resident in the US whose organisation serially tapped telephones and who incites Britain to war from the safety of his US house.
Anybody who uses the term 'Zionist' reveals more about themselves than any point they are trying to make.
I don't think louise mensch was far off the mark when she suggested people with a hatred for zionists or call themself anti-zionist have an underlying aura of anti-semitism.
Don't forget @IOS. He's a frequent poster, though has seemingly been on a long vacation since his last contribution on May 6. Maybe he went with @compouter2, who hasn't been seen since May 8?
What happened to @BenM? I would have thought he'd be here telling us how great McDonnell's economics policies are.
Anybody who uses the term 'Zionist' reveals more about themselves than any point they are trying to make.
I don't think louise mensch was far off the mark when she suggested people with a hatred for zionists or call themself anti-zionist have an underlying aura of anti-semitism.
Well quite. It's quite helpful to see it being used as a term of abuse because it's an easy way of labelling the person making it as someone whose opinions you don't really need to take seriously. It's a bit like the misuse of "fascist" as a term of abuse.
"The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies something not desirable."
Anybody who uses the term 'Zionist' reveals more about themselves than any point they are trying to make.
I don't think louise mensch was far off the mark when she suggested people with a hatred for zionists or call themself anti-zionist have an underlying aura of anti-semitism.
So you can't criticise Israel and pro-Israeli American/British foreign policy despite repeated serial human rights atrocities? Tsk.
(FPT) JEO said: "Has the shadow minister for Jews, Muslims and other assorted non-Christians been announced yet?"
Err, hello. The biggest minority faith in Britain is Catholicism. We're not going to be lumped in with CoE types, thank you very much. We want - DEMAND - our own Minister to make sure that our particular views on transubstantiation, original sin, the Nicene creed and the price of fish are properly taken into account in government policy. Plus we want a special law saying that we mustn't be offended and a special monitoring team to make sure that rude things said about us are recorded and people told off for being Catholicophobic.
Oh and the price of incense should be lowered and we need to have lots of money given to us for all the babies we have. Lots of money. Lots and lots. Because if you don't you are being "authoritarian" (copyright: H Manson, the Labour Party (currently in receivership)).
Hah!
If you think you're a minorty, what about the High Anglicans?
I have always known I enjoy politics, but I never realised I could enjoy politics THIS MUCH.
Murdoch propaganda machine. I hope Corbyn gets it closed down.
Not keen on press freedom are we?
Not when it's an Australian Islamophobe resident in the US whose organisation serially tapped telephones and who incites Britain to war from the safety of his US house.
If you had your way, we'd have a choice of the Morning Star and the Guardian to read.
(FPT) JEO said: "Has the shadow minister for Jews, Muslims and other assorted non-Christians been announced yet?"
Err, hello. The biggest minority faith in Britain is Catholicism. We're not going to be lumped in with CoE types, thank you very much. We want - DEMAND - our own Minister to make sure that our particular views on transubstantiation, original sin, the Nicene creed and the price of fish are properly taken into account in government policy. Plus we want a special law saying that we mustn't be offended and a special monitoring team to make sure that rude things said about us are recorded and people told off for being Catholicophobic.
Oh and the price of incense should be lowered and we need to have lots of money given to us for all the babies we have. Lots of money. Lots and lots. Because if you don't you are being "authoritarian" (copyright: H Manson, the Labour Party (currently in receivership)).
So you want a Minister for Popery AND a Minister for Potpourri?
Since most religions, such as christianity islam judaism, believe (have their 'faith') in the same God, then just who really will this minister for minority gods be responsible for? Does this minister really exist? Perhaps we should start up a new sect to worship him/her. It would come to something if it were more rational to believe in a deity than a minister for faith.
I have always known I enjoy politics, but I never realised I could enjoy politics THIS MUCH.
Murdoch propaganda machine. I hope Corbyn gets it closed down.
Not keen on press freedom are we?
Not when it's an Australian Islamophobe resident in the US whose organisation serially tapped telephones and who incites Britain to war from the safety of his US house.
So that'll be a no then. Pravda and Izvestia only in future?
Once you legitimise closing down media because you don't like you give the green light for your opponents to do likewise, which is particularly stupid when you're in opposition.
Is political betting just a right-wing talking shop? Just wondered because it comes over that way.
No. It does, but it's not.
There are centrists and leftists and even the odd cybernat on here. Stick it out.
OK I'll try. It does seem quite rabidly right wing though not as much as Guido Fawkes with all its zionist propaganda.
At the weekend I was called a Zionist.
Everyone's a Zionist these days.
Yep, stock go-to insult for SW morons basically because unless you say you want the state of Israel to be dismantled (i.e. you're sane) it's impossible to deny (in their eyes). More Groupthink.
I have always known I enjoy politics, but I never realised I could enjoy politics THIS MUCH.
Murdoch propaganda machine. I hope Corbyn gets it closed down.
Not keen on press freedom are we?
Not when it's an Australian Islamophobe resident in the US whose organisation serially tapped telephones and who incites Britain to war from the safety of his US house.
So that'll be a no then. Pravda and Izvestia only in future?
Once you legitimise closing down media because you don't like you give the green light for your opponents to do likewise, which is particularly stupid when you're in opposition.
But you're not permitted to call anyone a zionist. Double standards.
I have always known I enjoy politics, but I never realised I could enjoy politics THIS MUCH.
Murdoch propaganda machine. I hope Corbyn gets it closed down.
Not keen on press freedom are we?
Not when it's an Australian Islamophobe resident in the US whose organisation serially tapped telephones and who incites Britain to war from the safety of his US house.
Are you suggesting that that The Daily Mirror is shut down too for industrial scale phone hacking, as bad if not worse than any other media organisation? Though not.
Trinity Mirror have now set aside nearly £30 million towards the legal costs racked up by it's Lefty supporting rag of newspaper for intrusions into privacy.
I have always known I enjoy politics, but I never realised I could enjoy politics THIS MUCH.
Murdoch propaganda machine. I hope Corbyn gets it closed down.
Not keen on press freedom are we?
Not when it's an Australian Islamophobe resident in the US whose organisation serially tapped telephones and who incites Britain to war from the safety of his US house.
Lol - it's like you've segued out of Twitter by mistake and landed in an alien world. Such fun, such larks - we've not had the likes here since Tim but in fairness he actually knew he was talking a load of bollocks before the drink kicked in.
Is political betting just a right-wing talking shop? Just wondered because it comes over that way.
No. It does, but it's not.
There are centrists and leftists and even the odd cybernat on here. Stick it out.
OK I'll try. It does seem quite rabidly right wing though not as much as Guido Fawkes with all its zionist propaganda.
At the weekend I was called a Zionist.
Everyone's a Zionist these days.
Yep, stock go-to insult for SW morons basically because unless you say you want the state of Israel to be dismantled (i.e. you're sane) it's impossible to deny (in their eyes). More Groupthink.
A few years ago on another forums I said something along the lines of "If Israel doesn't give the Palestinians their own state they'll eventually end up taking over the one they're in already in a few decades"
There was a huge arms fair last week in London, the sort of hypocrisy that Comrade Jeremy is set to expose.
British Jobs for British Workers
Who gives a feck about 370,000 workers?
The UK defence industry is a significant domestic industrial sector that directly employs 162,400 people, indirectly generates a further 114,200 jobs in the defence supply chain and supports a further 95,800 induced jobs in the UK economy.
It was the media that made a big deal about this. It was I think reported a few days ago elsewhere. Now it turns out to be a load of hysterical rubbish from someone who seems quite disturbed. His son is being referred to social services. So much for all this Dolphin Square rubbish. Still I supposed it allowed a few nutjobs to have a quick 3 minute hate at the establishment.
The sealing of EU borders seems to me to be a bigger story in lots of different ways. But its not getting much coverage on here. Fair enough - I guess there is no betting position to take.
(FPT) JEO said: "Has the shadow minister for Jews, Muslims and other assorted non-Christians been announced yet?"
Err, hello. The biggest minority faith in Britain is Catholicism. We're not going to be lumped in with CoE types, thank you very much. We want - DEMAND - our own Minister to make sure that our particular views on transubstantiation, original sin, the Nicene creed and the price of fish are properly taken into account in government policy. Plus we want a special law saying that we mustn't be offended and a special monitoring team to make sure that rude things said about us are recorded and people told off for being Catholicophobic.
Oh and the price of incense should be lowered and we need to have lots of money given to us for all the babies we have. Lots of money. Lots and lots. Because if you don't you are being "authoritarian" (copyright: H Manson, the Labour Party (currently in receivership)).
Hah!
If you think you're a minorty, what about the High Anglicans?
Especially the Liberal High Anglicans...
Well you could join us...... Some of you already have. (Smiley face!)
That Minister for Faiths is going to be awfully busy. Perhaps we could build him a tower where he/she/it can contemplate all these faiths. I think we need a name for the Tower. Babel perhaps.
@JoeMurphyLondon: So that's the ;leader, the shadow chancellor and the shad foreign sec who have all pulled out of i/vs today. #chaos https://t.co/9uNFNuxi5r
So you are relying upon the possibility of a redevelopment that is not even being planned and may well never happen to deal with a congestion issue which will happen and is already being planned.
And you are relying on Internet speeds halting the rise in passenger travel that has been happening since the Internet first became popular. Which, from what we've seen so far, seems a rather forlorn hope.
Besides, I'm not relying on anything: I'm saying let's wait for details of the plans, rather than Gilligan's spin on them. I've already said many times that HS2's future depends on Euston, and it's quite possible that it will kill the project. You're just getting the funeral shroud out a trifle early.
Whilst you are here, Mr. Jessup, may I thank you for pointing us earlier to that jolly interesting article on ERTMS. Fascinating stuff, especially when it came to the section on the business case.
Mr. Paris, are you suggesting Labour's just leapt out of a plane without a parachute, whilst flying over a minefield on a monster-infested island in the middle of the Pacific?
Estobar. Don't go there. You'll get smote by the ban hammer if you keep on making comments like that about Rupert Murdoch.
Mike's had to deal with Mr Murdoch's lawyers in the past and he doesn't want a repeat.
While I think his position is ridiculous (that Sky News should be closed down), what has he said that unacceptable? It is a matter of public record that his organisation tapped phones and that he encouraged the UK to go to war in Iraq. It is a bit chilling if that sort of discussion is not allowed.
Corbyn needs to find some quick wins, somewhere to change the narrative. A reasonable performance at PMQ's is the obvious place. He needs to charm a press conference, self deprecate, play on his anti politician image- in other words he needs to learn how to spin and fast.
In other words do the basic political things that basic politicians do every day, to some degree of success or another one day to the next. So what? That's what he is there for. If it turns out he can walk and chew gum at the same time - well is that news?
Mr. Paris, are you suggesting Labour's just leapt out of a plane without a parachute, whilst flying over a minefield on a monster-infested island in the middle of the Pacific?
You had to respect the ability to control the day's news that AJC et al had.
Compare, and contrast.
Also agree with the general point made by flightpath01 @1518
So you are relying upon the possibility of a redevelopment that is not even being planned and may well never happen to deal with a congestion issue which will happen and is already being planned.
And you are relying on Internet speeds halting the rise in passenger travel that has been happening since the Internet first became popular. Which, from what we've seen so far, seems a rather forlorn hope.
Besides, I'm not relying on anything: I'm saying let's wait for details of the plans, rather than Gilligan's spin on them. I've already said many times that HS2's future depends on Euston, and it's quite possible that it will kill the project. You're just getting the funeral shroud out a trifle early.
Whilst you are here, Mr. Jessup, may I thank you for pointing us earlier to that jolly interesting article on ERTMS. Fascinating stuff, especially when it came to the section on the business case.
Was looking on the wikipedia page: "21 February: Full commissioning of West Dalarna Line (Repbäcken-Malung) in Dalarna, Sweden, under ERTMS level 3 without lineside signals or track detection devices"
Estobar. Don't go there. You'll get smote by the ban hammer if you keep on making comments like that about Rupert Murdoch.
Mike's had to deal with Mr Murdoch's lawyers in the past and he doesn't want a repeat.
While I think his position is ridiculous (that Sky News should be closed down), what has he said that unacceptable? It is a matter of public record that his organisation tapped phones and that he encouraged the UK to go to war in Iraq. It is a bit chilling if that sort of discussion is not allowed.
You can talk about all of those. He made another comment that was defamatory that has been taken out.
Comments
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3232828/Police-drop-probe-VIP-paedophile-ring-murder-saying-no-evidence-support-claims.html
Sky News are clearly in a massive tizz, rather like some people on here: http://news.sky.com
Darren McCaffrey's made a bit of a dick of himself
I don't think I'll be getting my news from the comments section of political betting
Says a lot about political betting and the MSM machine of vested interests and westminster bubblists.
OK I'll try. It does seem quite rabidly right wing though not as much as Guido Fawkes with all its zionist propaganda.
Murdoch propaganda machine. I hope Corbyn gets it closed down.
I guess the ballot box will soon decide who is the extremist, the 'rabidly right wing' folk on here, or you.
There are plenty of right-of-centre posters who will cheerfully give Cameron's government a good kicking when they do or say something that warrants it. Cameron's cheerful and repeated conflation of deficit and debt is but one issue.
Henry's article was, I'm sorry to say, poor quality by his own standards, and people of all stripes rightly pointed this out.
I do think that Labour supporters have developed a perceptual bias; I'm old enough to remember what both real left wing and real right wing governments look like.
Cameron's administration is, despite any huffing and puffing to the contrary, reasonably centrist. However, like generals fighting the last war, they keep asserting (against all common sense) that Cameron is Fatcha the Snatcha reincarnated.
As I pointed out at the time - it was at least two years ago - the rise in passenger numbers has risen in line with usage of the Internet, starting from roughly the same point in the early 1990s. Since our last discussion, passenger numbers have continued to shoot up as Internet usage has increased.
You seem to be thinking that there will be a magic point at which Internet speeds will make much travel unnecessary. This is a leap of faith on your part, and goes against what we have seen so far. It seems a rather odd assumption on which to base transport policy.
Your point on the North Sea industry is even less relevant than the mention of Birmingham above. at least, unless they re-route HS2 to take a more easterly route.
Missing Basil dearly.....
Everyone's a Zionist these days.
Besides, I'm not relying on anything: I'm saying let's wait for details of the plans, rather than Gilligan's spin on them. I've already said many times that HS2's future depends on Euston, and it's quite possible that it will kill the project. You're just getting the funeral shroud out a trifle early.
He's not a fan of Corbyn. This was Ben's tweet a few days ago
Out of curiosity + respect for his sweeping democratic mandate I'll give Corbyn a few months grace. But feel Labour has made terminal error.
Anybody who uses the term 'Zionist' reveals more about themselves than any point they are trying to make.
The Labour party has a problem with women, it seems. In its favour it's not as bad as the Lib Dems. Maybe one day it will catch up with the Tories.
I remember one day on PB I was accused of being Islamophobic.
One suspects more people than usual will be tuning in to PMQs.
A bit like Jeremy is....
"The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies something not desirable."
OPSEC my arse.
If you think you're a minorty, what about the High Anglicans?
Especially the Liberal High Anglicans...
Does this minister really exist? Perhaps we should start up a new sect to worship him/her. It would come to something if it were more rational to believe in a deity than a minister for faith.
Once you legitimise closing down media because you don't like you give the green light for your opponents to do likewise, which is particularly stupid when you're in opposition.
There was a huge arms fair last week in London, the sort of hypocrisy that Comrade Jeremy is set to expose.
Trinity Mirror have now set aside nearly £30 million towards the legal costs racked up by it's Lefty supporting rag of newspaper for intrusions into privacy.
You can call people Zionists if you want to. Actually I'm glad that you can, because it reveals something about you.
I was called a Muslim hating Zionist for that.
Mike's had to deal with Mr Murdoch's lawyers in the past and he doesn't want a repeat.
Who gives a feck about 370,000 workers?
The UK defence industry is a significant domestic industrial sector that directly employs 162,400 people, indirectly generates a further 114,200 jobs in the defence supply chain and supports a further 95,800 induced jobs in the UK economy.
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/sspp/policy-institute/publications/A-benefit-not-a-burden.pdf
Oh yes, that's right.
The Tories....
Never liked him myself, far too smiley in a oily way.
The sealing of EU borders seems to me to be a bigger story in lots of different ways. But its not getting much coverage on here. Fair enough - I guess there is no betting position to take.
What's the 'hypocrisy' of which you speak?
Her first big policy event is going to make the Edstone "just cos they are carved in stone" speech look polished and slick...
That Minister for Faiths is going to be awfully busy. Perhaps we could build him a tower where he/she/it can contemplate all these faiths. I think we need a name for the Tower. Babel perhaps.
On the Minister for Faiths, if that is the title, do atheists and agnostics get a minister?
1) Security - and video footage of any one of his comments from the last 30 years
2) We Told You They'd Not Gone - see above
3) Utter incompetence - and with a looming split on EU as well!
How have you lot managed to dig such a hole, in such a short time?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3233754/Corbyn-told-Britain-LEAVING-EU-Chuka-Umunna-reveals-Labour-faces-split-referendum.html
So that's the ;leader, the shadow chancellor and the shad foreign sec who have all pulled out of i/vs today. #chaos https://t.co/9uNFNuxi5r
So what? That's what he is there for. If it turns out he can walk and chew gum at the same time - well is that news?
There's video evidence of him struggling to walk and talk at the same tiom You had to respect the ability to control the day's news that AJC et al had.
Compare, and contrast.
Also agree with the general point made by flightpath01 @1518
"21 February: Full commissioning of West Dalarna Line (Repbäcken-Malung) in Dalarna, Sweden, under ERTMS level 3 without lineside signals or track detection devices"
Literally no signals on the track? Barmy!
If Belisarius had been given appropriate support the Exarchate of Ravenna might well have lasted longer and been rather more prosperous.
Edited extra bit: Mr. Paris, AJC?
What you say about Mr Murdoch's company is completely untrue and could also be construed as a libelous post.
Companies can be libeled as well as people, you know.