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    Didn't the SWP practice horizontal recruitment back in the day?

    That was the RCP, allegedly. Think it was a myth though, stemming from them being a bit 'culty'.

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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited September 2015
    @Pulpstar


    'Anyway onto matters less parochial... was it me or did Jezza's suit look utterly enourmous ?'


    It's just his authentic Laundry bag with a beard dress code.

    He obviously shops with Ruth Kelly.

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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    viewcode said:

    The latest ICM Wisdom Index that I can find prior to 2015UK was May2nd. It had
    CON 31.7
    LAB 32.2
    LD 13.9
    UKIP 12.2

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/594701792564355075

    Incidentally it now looks as if we're far enough ahead for Google to have caught up indexing Twitter prior to May 8th (Twitter times are not accurate, Google doesn't index everything nor immediately, email is not always immediate...fun, fun, fun) so searching Mike's tweets will no longer need going via Topsy or plowing thru bl**dy twitter

    Really?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Anyway on the debate, Trump is accusing Obama of being a coward over Syria.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Marco Rubio is forced to defend his decision not to bomb Syria by Trump.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Cruz is basking on the Iran deal.
    Kasich is rudely interrupting the moderators and Cruz.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Kasich has chosen a fight with Cruz over Iran, Kasich is being crushed.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    A Kim Davis question, "Is Bush on the wrong side" question for Huckabee.

    Huckabee trying to fire up the evangelicals, so far he makes a good case.
    Bush is trying to extradite himself from this.

    Unfortunately I missed the first 45 minutes of the debate, this is a good debate so far, much better that the Fox one.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Cruz is cruzing it now, on automode against Obama over abortion.
    Oh Chris Christie is trying to ride the abortion wave, and accuses Hillary for murdering babies.

    Fiorina is trying to connect Iran and Abortion, she promises to make phone calls about it.

    The candidates are speaking too fast for people to understand what they are saying.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Speedy said:

    A Kim Davis question, "Is Bush on the wrong side" question for Huckabee.

    Huckabee trying to fire up the evangelicals, so far he makes a good case.
    Bush is trying to extradite himself from this.

    Unfortunately I missed the first 45 minutes of the debate, this is a good debate so far, much better that the Fox one.

    Agree this is a better debate. All the participants are more forceful and sharper. Not heard Carson's voice at all yet, but I came in at Trump on Syria.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    A Kim Davis question, "Is Bush on the wrong side" question for Huckabee.

    Huckabee trying to fire up the evangelicals, so far he makes a good case.
    Bush is trying to extradite himself from this.

    Unfortunately I missed the first 45 minutes of the debate, this is a good debate so far, much better that the Fox one.

    Agree this is a better debate. All the participants are more forceful and sharper. Not heard Carson's voice at all yet, but I came in at Trump on Syria.
    So far the moderators are attacking Bush.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Bush is making a hugely complicating answer about the Planned Parenthood question.

    Trump comes in.
    He's killing Bush, about the "misquoting" thing by Bush.
    Oh he goes against N.Korea.

    Bush about N.Korea : There area 30 thousand about Planned Parenthood.

    Trump vs Bush fight about the Bush statements.
    Walker comes in, people get bored.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    OH , the Face question on Fiorina.

    What about his persona.
    Fiorina got her only applause so far tonight.
    Trump flatlined a bit.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Speedy said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    A Kim Davis question, "Is Bush on the wrong side" question for Huckabee.

    Huckabee trying to fire up the evangelicals, so far he makes a good case.
    Bush is trying to extradite himself from this.

    Unfortunately I missed the first 45 minutes of the debate, this is a good debate so far, much better that the Fox one.

    Agree this is a better debate. All the participants are more forceful and sharper. Not heard Carson's voice at all yet, but I came in at Trump on Syria.
    So far the moderators are attacking Bush.
    Wonder if that is in fact a reverse tactic of support - the person attacked gets the opportunity to respond. So by seeming to attack, they are giving him more time and more opportunities to put out his policies in response.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Two biggest applauses I've heard so far have both been for Carly - on defunding Planned Parenthood and her response re Trump and 'that face'
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    A Kim Davis question, "Is Bush on the wrong side" question for Huckabee.

    Huckabee trying to fire up the evangelicals, so far he makes a good case.
    Bush is trying to extradite himself from this.

    Unfortunately I missed the first 45 minutes of the debate, this is a good debate so far, much better that the Fox one.

    Agree this is a better debate. All the participants are more forceful and sharper. Not heard Carson's voice at all yet, but I came in at Trump on Syria.
    So far the moderators are attacking Bush.
    Wonder if that is in fact a reverse tactic of support - the person attacked gets the opportunity to respond. So by seeming to attack, they are giving him more time and more opportunities to put out his policies in response.
    The moderators use their position to remind the audience what the person said, Bush in contrast to Trump didn't succesfully defend or deflect the question.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Immigration.
    Trump: "I will build a wall that works, there are some bad dudes around in this country"

    Chris Christie says he an expert on law, with his so many entanglements with the law i'm sure about it.

    Carson is asked to come in, he simply reiterates the immigration problem with great detail, opens a door to Trump's plan.
    Trump looks terrible with that tie.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Trump refuses to apologize to Bush's wife for unrelated stuff, Bush is trying to get Reagan in this, Trump brings Bush's statements about loving immigration.

    Fiorina is trying to make the case that people are bored of talking about illegal immigration.
    Bush is trying to make a case that deporting people is too expensive.

    Now the language question, Trump is making a good point about assimilating immigrants, Bush is talking about voucher programs.

    Rubio "my father loved Reagan", spanish is free enterprise or something according with him.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    This debate format doesn't suit Carson, he sounds like a handicapped person in this fired up debate pace.

    Cruz is licking Trump's arse "i'm happy that Trump is running in this race", he brings the amnesty issue in a jab towards Rubio and Bush.

    Rubio basically make the case that he supports immigration because he himself is an immigrant, he goes all Romney with E-Verify.

    Carson makes his case by applying things that work, falls flat.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    CNN is pushing for a Fiorina vs Trump fight.

    Trump is booming with the "anchor babies" issue, Fiorina is trying to bore the audience, still trying to make the case that immigration is going on for so long it shouldn't be addressed.

    Rand Paul is defending Trump!
    Trying to prove the case that Trump is right about the 14th amendment.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    An HP question, a specific Fiorina question.

    Fiorina reminds people about the Nasdaq tech crash.
    Trump is killing Fiorina on the Compaq deal, Fiorina is trying to defend herself with the debt of Trump's casinos, Trump fires back that Christie destroyed Atlantic City and the casinos.

    Christie attack both Fiorina and Trump, Fiorina tries to interrupt gets flack on her face.
    Fiorina jabs Christie's career.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    A tax increase on hedge funds question.

    Kasich: "my record is that I did that and this in Ohio blablabla I did a balanced budget"

    Kasich back on form on talking about his record in Ohio on every question.

    Huckabee wants to abolish all taxes.

    Carson: "it's all about America", accuses Trump of being a socialist on taxes, government should be abolished.

    Trump makes a case against a flat tax, promises a reduction on middle class taxes funded by hedge fund taxes.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    On the flat tax, Paul want's a flat tax too.

    Now a minimum wage question.
    Walker: Reagan tax cuts, cut taxes, education , energy ect, he's a mess really. The moderator accuses him of not answering the question.

    Carson says that he probably wants a minimum wage increase, he want's to make a 2 tier minimum wage.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    The moderator accuses Kasich of refusing to attack Hillary.

    Kasich once more wants to talk about his record about 1972. People don't care what he did in 1972.

    Fiorina is going back to Christie, talks about her difference with Hillary.

    Christie wants to prosecute Hillary, because he was a prosecutor of course.


    My take so far is that it's a very even debate, but Bush and Kasich especially are terrible.
    Fiorina is very boring but has a very sympathetic audience.
    Trump is not his usual self, with all the shouting done by everyone he doesn't register so much as the previous debate.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Foreign policy again.

    Why is Trump not knowing about some guy in middle east, question.

    Trump is saying that Rubio apologized to him on TV earlier about that.

    Rubio says that is an important question, the world is about to invade America according to him.
    Rubio is trying to say that the most important thing ever is foreign policy.
    Trump is waving the white flag about foreign policy, says that he's just a businessman so he doesn't know about it.

    Rubio says that he's leaving the senate, that's news.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    An Iraq question on Bush.

    Who are Bush's advisors?

    Bush gives a generic answer.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Speedy said:

    Immigration.
    Trump: "I will build a wall that works, there are some bad dudes around in this country"

    Chris Christie says he an expert on law, with his so many entanglements with the law i'm sure about it.

    Carson is asked to come in, he simply reiterates the immigration problem with great detail, opens a door to Trump's plan.
    Trump looks terrible with that tie.

    Christie was US Federal Attorney for New Jersey 2002-2008 and was one of the most impactful federal attorneys over that period, focusing on stamping out corruption. I think he can claim some expertise in the law.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Immigration.
    Trump: "I will build a wall that works, there are some bad dudes around in this country"

    Chris Christie says he an expert on law, with his so many entanglements with the law i'm sure about it.

    Carson is asked to come in, he simply reiterates the immigration problem with great detail, opens a door to Trump's plan.
    Trump looks terrible with that tie.

    Christie was US Federal Attorney for New Jersey 2002-2008 and was one of the most impactful federal attorneys over that period, focusing on stamping out corruption. I think he can claim some expertise in the law.
    He might end up in prison.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Trump says that he was the only one on the stage to fight against the invasion of iraq.

    Paul disagrees, he gives Bush's head on a silver plate, makes the case against invading Syria.

    Bush says it was wrong to get out of Iraq.
    Carson says that he personally said to G.W. Bush to not invade Iraq in 2002.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Speedy said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Immigration.
    Trump: "I will build a wall that works, there are some bad dudes around in this country"

    Chris Christie says he an expert on law, with his so many entanglements with the law i'm sure about it.

    Carson is asked to come in, he simply reiterates the immigration problem with great detail, opens a door to Trump's plan.
    Trump looks terrible with that tie.

    Christie was US Federal Attorney for New Jersey 2002-2008 and was one of the most impactful federal attorneys over that period, focusing on stamping out corruption. I think he can claim some expertise in the law.
    He might end up in prison.
    Now it would be ironic if someone who made his name fighting corruption should end up in prison on corruption charges. But Bridgegate has run its course, so I don't think it will happen at this point.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Immigration.
    Trump: "I will build a wall that works, there are some bad dudes around in this country"

    Chris Christie says he an expert on law, with his so many entanglements with the law i'm sure about it.

    Carson is asked to come in, he simply reiterates the immigration problem with great detail, opens a door to Trump's plan.
    Trump looks terrible with that tie.

    Christie was US Federal Attorney for New Jersey 2002-2008 and was one of the most impactful federal attorneys over that period, focusing on stamping out corruption. I think he can claim some expertise in the law.
    He might end up in prison.
    Now it would be ironic if someone who made his name fighting corruption should end up in prison on corruption charges. But Bridgegate has run its course, so I don't think it will happen at this point.
    It's more than Bridgegate.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Christie: "I was named attorney on September 10th 2001, 9/11 9/11 9/11."

    Carson: " I was a personal friend of G.W.Bush", tries to make a connection between invading Afghanistan and NASA.

    Christie: "Those people tried to kill us"

    Carson is trying to make the case of putting smart people in charge instead of aggressive people, Rubio disagrees.

    Huckabee raises the Pentagon scandal of the doctored intelligence reports, he doesn't go anywhere.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    A fighting ISIS question.
    How many troops should we send?

    Walker: Listen to our military experts, work with our sudi (yes sudi) and kurd allies.

    Paul: The war was a mistake, I won't send troops back in Iraq and the Saudis are at fault they should solve it not us.

    Kasich for once is not talking about his record in Ohio in 1972, talks about the superiority of western ideas.

    Fiorina is making a long very long list of military equipment.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Speedy said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Immigration.
    Trump: "I will build a wall that works, there are some bad dudes around in this country"

    Chris Christie says he an expert on law, with his so many entanglements with the law i'm sure about it.

    Carson is asked to come in, he simply reiterates the immigration problem with great detail, opens a door to Trump's plan.
    Trump looks terrible with that tie.

    Christie was US Federal Attorney for New Jersey 2002-2008 and was one of the most impactful federal attorneys over that period, focusing on stamping out corruption. I think he can claim some expertise in the law.
    He might end up in prison.
    Now it would be ironic if someone who made his name fighting corruption should end up in prison on corruption charges. But Bridgegate has run its course, so I don't think it will happen at this point.
    It's more than Bridgegate.
    I presume you mean Sandygate. I haven't seen any news on that scandal at all for about a year. Is there anything happening, or has it died on the vine?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    An Obamacare question.

    Did G.W.B made a mistake with John Roberts?

    Bush is defending Roberts about Obamacare.
    Cruz is accusing Roberts about changing his decision in order to defend Obamacare for political reasons.

    It's now a back and forth thing about Roberts.

    Huckabee is connecting the supreme court and Roberts with abortion (of course) again.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    So far the debate is working against Trump, when everyone sounds like their on drugs or drunk, Trump doesn't stick out.

    Huckabee is so far only about abortion as much as Kasich is about his record in 1972, terrible candidates.

    I'm now at the point were I can predict what the candidates will say on any question.
    Rubio will connect everything on foreign policy, Walker with trade unions, Trump with immigration, Carson with intelligence, Christie with him being an attorney long ago, ect ect.

    Bush is a little unpredictable because he simply answers his questions randomly with something that sound like white noise.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    A drug legalization question.

    Paul: the young users are innocent and the war on drugs is wrong, rehabilitation is needed.

    Bush: "I smoked Pot", but drugs like heroin are wrong.

    They are seriously talking about the use of drugs.

    Christie: New Jersey is the first country to be pro-life about drugs, but not legalizing it because they are all victims.

    What is it that Paul always has to put the constitution in every conversation?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    They are talking more about medical marijuana than the economy in this debate.

    Fiorina comes in the discussion, brings her dead child in this, makes the strongest statement of the night about the use of drugs.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    A gun control question.

    Bush: It's complicated, no federal gun laws, babbles away.

    Rubio: Criminals will ignore the law anyway so why have gun laws anyway, strong families, strong people, strong this and that.

    Cruz: I fought the senate to keep gun rights.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    A Trump is rich question.
    Should rich people have social security?

    Trump: I don't need social security, some people don't need it.

    Christie is making a large proposal about social security reform.


    A climate change question.

    Why not take an insurance policy like Reagan with the ozone layer?

    Rubio: left wingers want to destroy the economy and america is not the planet, china is at fault.
    Christie: "Rubio is not a climate change skeptic", I agree with Marco, we can have nuclear power like in N.J., George Schultz is wrong.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    I have a feeling that Trump isn't getting any time now by the moderators.

    And now a measles vaccines question.

    Carson: Vaccines don't cause autism, vaccines are important to prevent death, people don't like the government telling them about vaccines.

    Trump: Autism has become an epidemic, i'm in favour of vaccines but in smaller doses.

    Carson on Trump: "He's an OK doctor", agrees with Trump now.

    Paul: Vaccines are the greatest thing ever, George Washington had his wife vaccinated.

    Huckabee: Declare war on disease.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Oh no a Reagan question coming up.

    So far I can see those performing the worst on the debate, but there is no one that is ahead on this.

    I'm seeing now an attack ad against Bloomberg for president on CNN, why i'm seeing this, the guy isn't even running.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Woman on the 10$ bill question.

    Paul: Susan B. Antony

    Huckabee: My Wife.

    Rubio: Rosa Parks

    Cruz: I would change the 20$ bill with Rosa Parks.

    Carson: My Mother.

    Trump: My daughter, or Rosa Parks.

    Bush: Thatcher.

    Walker: Barcon.

    Fiorina: I wouldn't change it, women are a majority and don't need gestures.

    Kasich: Mother Teresa

    Christie: The Adams family, Abigail Adams.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Reagan naming question, your code mane.

    Christie: True heart
    Huckabee; Unit 1
    Fiorina; Secretariat
    Bush: power drink
    Trump :Humble
    Carson: One nation
    Cruz: Heidi angel
    Rubio: Gater
    Huckabee: Duck hunter
    Paul: justice never sleeps.

    Your airforce one question.

    Paul :I met Reagan in 1976.

    I'm stopping , this is rubbish, these questions are unbearable .
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Speedy said:

    Oh no a Reagan question coming up.

    So far I can see those performing the worst on the debate, but there is no one that is ahead on this.

    I'm seeing now an attack ad against Bloomberg for president on CNN, why i'm seeing this, the guy isn't even running.

    That struck me too. It is preemptive. If Bloomberg sees a viable track as a third candidate - say a mortally wounded Clinton as the Dem nominee and Trump on the GOP ticket - he is well capable of stepping in as a self-funded third party candidate.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    It sounds like closing statements, unfortunately it's not.
    I have to hear the name Ronald Reagan a thousand times now.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Cruz promises 5 jobs for every american through tax reform, obamacare repeal and killing terrorists.

    Carson: " I was a radical democrat before Reagan".

    I can't go on like this.

    Trump looks and sounds tired.
    Bush : 4% growth through stuff.

    Walker: "I turned 13 dick (oops moment) years when Reagan became president"

    Fiorina: Lady Liberty and Lady Justice.

    Fiorina is the american version of Cooper, all feminist but sounds like Lane Smith.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Kasich talks about his record in Ohio again.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    It's over thank god.

    My first take on the debate:

    Nobody won, so Trump lost.
    But Kasich was terrible, Bush was bad too and Carson was too slow for the fast pace of the debate.

    I can say that Trump, Kasich, Bush and Carson lost this debate.
    Fiorina is just the american version of Cooper.

    I think that Cruz might have an opening.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The Fox debate had incisive questions designed to take candidates out of their comfort zone.

    The CNN debate was more "Candidate A said such and such about you. Would you like to respond." It was a bit lame. 3 hours 15 minutes is way too long.

    I think Carly did good.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Speedy said:

    Kasich talks about his record in Ohio again.

    In 'The Voice', they always talk about the need for contestants to keep on upping their game each successive week. Kasich hasn't got the memo, with his record stuck on his record. A shame, I think he would be the best on policies.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    God, I'm tired of hearing Trump's voice and seeing his face. And that's only two of the damn things.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The CNN setup was a bit odd - mainly Jake Tapper, but Dana Bash and Hugh Hewitt called in at times.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Tim_B said:

    The Fox debate had incisive questions designed to take candidates out of their comfort zone.

    The CNN debate was more "Candidate A said such and such about you. Would you like to respond." It was a bit lame. 3 hours 15 minutes is way too long.

    I think Carly did good.

    I don't think so, she talked all the time about women and unrelated things, as I said she is the american version of Yvette Cooper.
    No one did good in this debate, no one won, it was too chaotic.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Jeb and Trump doing a high five over Jeb's 'high energy' comment was interesting.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    I think relative to expectations Rubio and Christie did the best, Walker next. And as I type this, CNN says the same thing. Damn!
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    The Fox debate had incisive questions designed to take candidates out of their comfort zone.

    The CNN debate was more "Candidate A said such and such about you. Would you like to respond." It was a bit lame. 3 hours 15 minutes is way too long.

    I think Carly did good.

    I don't think so, she talked all the time about women and unrelated things, as I said she is the american version of Yvette Cooper.
    No one did good in this debate, no one won, it was too chaotic.
    I don't know who Yvette Cooper is, so cannot comment.

    I suspect you are looking at this through British eyes. There will be winners and losers.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    The Carson and Fiorina bubbles will burst. If the Trump one does too, then on tonight's showing, I think Rubio will take it.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    The big problem for me was that I missed the first hour of the debate.
    But in the other 2 hours I can say that the debate was too long and too chaotic, as a result I didn't see Trump shining, in fact I didn't see anyone winning this debate.

    If I have too keep score I will give:

    Cruz: 6/10
    Kasich: 0/10
    Bush: 3/10

    Everyone else 4/10


    Everyone seemed to gravitate towards their favourite subjects on everything.
    Fiorina talked about women, Rubio about foreign policy, Paul about the constitution, Christie about prosecutions, Kasich about his record in 1972, Trump about immigration, Carson about intelligence, Walker about the unions, Huckabee about abortion.

    Only Bush and Cruz talked about multiple subjects and Cruz was better at it.
    On points I call it for Cruz.

    Goodnight.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    MTimT said:

    I think relative to expectations Rubio and Christie did the best, Walker next. And as I type this, CNN says the same thing. Damn!

    That's why you are so special and gifted ;)
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    The big problem for me was that I missed the first hour of the debate.
    But in the other 2 hours I can say that the debate was too long and too chaotic, as a result I didn't see Trump shining, in fact I didn't see anyone winning this debate.

    If I have too keep score I will give:

    Cruz: 6/10
    Kasich: 0/10
    Bush: 3/10

    Everyone else 4/10


    Everyone seemed to gravitate towards their favourite subjects on everything.
    Fiorina talked about women, Rubio about foreign policy, Paul about the constitution, Christie about prosecutions, Kasich about his record in 1972, Trump about immigration, Carson about intelligence, Walker about the unions, Huckabee about abortion.

    Only Bush and Cruz talked about multiple subjects

    Trust me - you didn't miss the first hour, you merely didn't see it. It was way too long.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    The Fox debate had incisive questions designed to take candidates out of their comfort zone.

    The CNN debate was more "Candidate A said such and such about you. Would you like to respond." It was a bit lame. 3 hours 15 minutes is way too long.

    I think Carly did good.

    I don't think so, she talked all the time about women and unrelated things, as I said she is the american version of Yvette Cooper.
    No one did good in this debate, no one won, it was too chaotic.
    I don't know who Yvette Cooper is, so cannot comment.

    I suspect you are looking at this through British eyes. There will be winners and losers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7LCO98ialY
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    The Fox debate had incisive questions designed to take candidates out of their comfort zone.

    The CNN debate was more "Candidate A said such and such about you. Would you like to respond." It was a bit lame. 3 hours 15 minutes is way too long.

    I think Carly did good.

    I don't think so, she talked all the time about women and unrelated things, as I said she is the american version of Yvette Cooper.
    No one did good in this debate, no one won, it was too chaotic.
    I don't know who Yvette Cooper is, so cannot comment.

    I suspect you are looking at this through British eyes. There will be winners and losers.
    She came third in the Labour Party leadership race, Yvette = Mrs Ed Balls = Mrs 17%.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    I think relative to expectations Rubio and Christie did the best, Walker next. And as I type this, CNN says the same thing. Damn!

    That's why you are so special and gifted ;)
    Oh no! Not the special bus!
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Speedy said:

    It's over thank god.

    My first take on the debate:

    Nobody won, so Trump lost.
    But Kasich was terrible, Bush was bad too and Carson was too slow for the fast pace of the debate.

    I can say that Trump, Kasich, Bush and Carson lost this debate.
    Fiorina is just the american version of Cooper.

    I think that Cruz might have an opening.

    Speedy, are you watching in the UK or the US? If the former, surely you didn't stay up just for this?! ;)
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    The Fox debate had incisive questions designed to take candidates out of their comfort zone.

    The CNN debate was more "Candidate A said such and such about you. Would you like to respond." It was a bit lame. 3 hours 15 minutes is way too long.

    I think Carly did good.

    I don't think so, she talked all the time about women and unrelated things, as I said she is the american version of Yvette Cooper.
    No one did good in this debate, no one won, it was too chaotic.
    I don't know who Yvette Cooper is, so cannot comment.

    I suspect you are looking at this through British eyes. There will be winners and losers.
    Really? How much success has she had in the corporate world? Ms Cooper sounds lame and wimpy.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    MTimT said:

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    I think relative to expectations Rubio and Christie did the best, Walker next. And as I type this, CNN says the same thing. Damn!

    That's why you are so special and gifted ;)
    Oh no! Not the special bus!
    Yes - and you can sit in the front!
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    It's over thank god.

    My first take on the debate:

    Nobody won, so Trump lost.
    But Kasich was terrible, Bush was bad too and Carson was too slow for the fast pace of the debate.

    I can say that Trump, Kasich, Bush and Carson lost this debate.
    Fiorina is just the american version of Cooper.

    I think that Cruz might have an opening.

    Speedy, are you watching in the UK or the US? If the former, surely you didn't stay up just for this?! ;)
    Speedy is sitting in the attic of his parent's home, in his underwear, watching online in Kings Lynn, a city which is not near anywhere.

    Speedy, is this true? ;)
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    No-one else up this morning?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,923

    OK, so I have now watched PMQs. JC did well for a first outing, and it wasn't just him reading out the questions he had been sent (mine didn't get picked - and it wasn't the one about Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism either!).

    Next up - conference. Maybe we will see some theatrical walk-outs or tearing up of party membership cards by the Blairite residue.

    As an aside, will the BBC bother to cover the Lib Dem conference this year? It ought not get much more coverage than the Greens get together.

    they will have 200 staff there no doubt
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Speedy said:

    Metatron said:

    Fox News very influential on race.They like Carson but when push comes to shove will probably get behind Bush.The more leftish channels Bloomberg and NBC like Kasich.

    None of them will ever win:

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/joe-sandler-clarke/journalism-in-age-of-corbyn

    "Political journalists have failed to predict all of the major events of the last year. They need to start asking themselves serious questions."
    Good morning all. Well, the same can be leveled at all the western intelligence agencies. I remember reading an excellent paper from a CIA analyst which enumerated (and then attempted to explain why and offer remediations) all the intelligence failures since the Bay of Pigs. It was a hell of a long list. As the old saying goes, "predictions are hard, especially about the future".

    More apropos, the Suzanne Moore article is excellent - I don't normally rate her, but her point about Labour needing to think, not feel, was the mot juste.
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