'most people accept that he's a nice man, if somewhat in the manner of an absent-minded academic'
Always hard to know exactly where the blah blah ends and outright disingenuousness starts with Nick Palmer, isn't it?
No, Palmer is a careerist liar and an egregious hypocrite. Once you finally accept that, all else makes sense.
It may seem like a glib thing to say, but isn't that the problem Labour is facing at the moment? Everything they have built up as a reason for their continued existence is terminally tainted by lies, cant, hypocrisy, evasion: the reality of the Labour offer is that it is a pile of horse shit. It isn't for the people it is supposed to help. It is there for a self-serving elite who have now been seen through. You just have to look at the way this elite can pooh-pooh the industrial scale rape of the children of one part of their natural base by another part of their natural base to see they are terminally, grotesquely conflicted.
I think the story that white girls are less important, less precious, and deserve less protection than Asian girls, from pedophile rapists, ACCORDING TO THE COURTS, has finally tipped me over the edge.
I despise Labour, and all the poisonous, evil, multiculti white-hating racist shit that they have dragged into our lives. I want Labour to die now. And if everyone involved with it accidentally gets a disfiguring plague, even as their party expires, great. It appears that Mister Corbyn and his supporters loathe me and my people and my country, well I loathe them right back. I will do anything to see them defeated, and humiliated, forever.
Good afternoon.
Stop virtue signalling you massive fanny.
Well you got one half right. Sean wanting to see Labour and all the other socialist scum defeated, humiliated and destroyed is certainly a virtuous ambition.
Is this sort of language really necessary? I think socialists and their ideas as are as mad as you do, but there really is no need to call other human beings "scum". The only way sensible political ideas can emerge and spread is for us to all treat each other with respect.
Plato_Says Posts: 455 "I've been thinking about Cameron's options - and to be honest, I'm not sure he could've campaigned for Leave even if he wanted to. There's nowhere to go, if your PM is for BOO - for the electorate to have an option - he has to back Stay for any concessions to be made at all. "
If he stuck to the list of EC items he had made going into GE2010 as part of the demands then we could have seen a genuine chance of reform. However, in Government he chose to abandon or weaken them. He chose in Liddington one of the biggest europhiles in his party - a difficult job as there are so few. Although he went into GE2010 with a eurosceptic shadow european minister (I believe). He therefore ends up effectively asking for very little and delivering very little. By doing this he improves the chances of Leaving. Ironic?
I think the story that white girls are less important, less precious, and deserve less protection than Asian girls, from pedophile rapists, ACCORDING TO THE COURTS, has finally tipped me over the edge.
A poor Guardian headline that doesn't stand up to a sensible reading the judgment. There was no general ruling of that sort.
The paedophile in question appealed his sentence on the basis that the judge in the lower court had made reference to the impact on the family's reputation within their particular community (or some such). Whilst this probably wasn't a particularly opportune comment, the appellate court simply said, "No, we won't reduce your sentence. Impact on the family is something for the first instance judge to decide based on the particular facts of the case".
That's classic appeal stuff. First instance judge explains himself poorly but basically gets the sentence right. Appeal court leaves it well alone because, if you get into a situation where you subject sentencing remarks to an unreasonable degree of scrutiny, you always have a negotiation down from the original sentence and lose sight of the justice of the case.
I don't hate anybody. What I do hate is the lazy labelling of people as being left or right, its outdated. Claiming to hold the moral high ground because you hold a particular belief is immature.
What's the latest buzzword(s) "virtue signalling"?
I dont hate 'Righties', I just think their ideas will lead us to destruction. If I'm wrong, then brilliant. Doesn't mean the state of some of the discourse on here doesnt get my blood pressure up though (I might have to stop for my own mental health soon, which Im sure will be met with horror). Detesting isn't good for you, though.
You shouldn't leave. You should just take a deep breath before responding and then take the moral high ground. You sometimes make interesting points that others do not, and you present a viewpoint that is valuable for others to hear, but you don't help yourself with your sometimes vitriolic responses.
(a) it has been reported that Jeremy Corbyn has already been appointed to the Privy Council.
(b) the interviewer the other day told Corbyn that he would have to "kneel in front of the Queen" (or whatever) in order to become a member of the privy Council, to which Corbyn responded that he hadn't been told any such thing and that he would have to check when he received the official paperwork.
Which is true? If he has already been appointed, the kneeling stuff is not necessary; if the kneeling thing is necessary, then the appointment hasn't become effective yet.
Is the stuff about kneeling in front of the Queen just a media fantasy invention?
I think he has been invited but hasn't yet taken the oath (or affirmation, in his case).
The Queen has met umpteen idiot socialist republicans before now. Nothing new for her if it is for Corbyn. Remember the laugh we had over Blair dropping to his knees in a trice to 'kiss hands' as Prime Minister? When he had no need to do any such thing. Being appointed to the Privy Council is quite an honour. I would not turn it down if offered. In the same way that you kneel on a footstool to receive a knighthood it should be no great problem for any rational person to do the same to be inducted into the PC. What will Corbyn do when he meets the Pope?
Plato_Says Posts: 455 "I've been thinking about Cameron's options - and to be honest, I'm not sure he could've campaigned for Leave even if he wanted to. There's nowhere to go, if your PM is for BOO - for the electorate to have an option - he has to back Stay for any concessions to be made at all. "
If he stuck to the list of EC items he had made going into GE2010 as part of the demands then we could have seen a genuine chance of reform. However, in Government he chose to abandon or weaken them. He chose in Liddington one of the biggest europhiles in his party - a difficult job as there are so few. Although he went into GE2010 with a eurosceptic shadow european minister (I believe). He therefore ends up effectively asking for very little and delivering very little. By doing this he improves the chances of Leaving. Ironic?
I don't hate anybody. What I do hate is the lazy labelling of people as being left or right, its outdated. Claiming to hold the moral high ground because you hold a particular belief is immature.
Agreed. I still use left and right as its the language people use, but I think it's pretty much bullcrap. People jump all over the spectrum on various issues, as indeed do parties, and where people think they are can bear little relation to where they actually are (as support for policies until people find out which party proposed it, changing the numbers who support it, shows), it just becomes about aligning with a tribe that one thinks they should belong to, with at best thin ideological grounding. Plus, trying to distance from such left-right stuff gets me nice and smug in the mornings.
I didn't know about Tony Banks' finger crossing. I can't imagine how Mr. Corbyn will be able to cross his fingers while kissing the Queen's hand.
In fact I've now forgotten thinking about it.
The Star Spangled Banner and La Marseillaise both show how we (I daren't say "one") can be truly patriotic in a republic. I find the former quite un-singable, but the latter rather inspiring.
Mark Denten @BBCMarkDenten Newcastle Central's @ChiOnwurah becomes a shadow Business minister and will also speak on culture matters...
So she can now speak on the cultural problems of the toy business? Guns for girls, Dolls houses for boys? "it is only when I walk into a toy shop that I feel I am really experiencing gender segregation"
On another note, I have made too many excuses for Labour in the past. I have told myself that I was not doing it; but I was. I know lots of Labour members, they are friends and they are good people. Much of what they want I want too. I disagree profoundly with Tory policy and will not vote Tory. But you just cannot brush off stuff like Rotherham or the effects of mass immigration on poor communities or what McDonnell said about the IRA or any of the other collective baggage. If you seek to the fact is that you are not fit for office. You have to accept responsibility and you have to do it genuinely and you have to change. Labour is not interested in that.
You know what? Corbyn's win has set a lot of us free. And it feels kinda good.
I always thought you were a natural bedfellow with Yellow Submarine, formerly of this parish.
Time you turned an agreeable shade of yellow/orange, I think.
I want some genuine communists on here to be honest. They're pretty rare, and would offer an interesting insight. I think we're covered on some pretty hard right wingers (such as we define the term). Need more Greens, unles that's covered by communists.
I don't hate anybody. What I do hate is the lazy labelling of people as being left or right, its outdated. Claiming to hold the moral high ground because you hold a particular belief is immature.
Agreed. I still use left and right as its the language people use, but I think it's pretty much bullcrap. People jump all over the spectrum on various issues, as indeed do parties, and where people think they are can bear little relation to where they actually are (as support for policies until people find out which party proposed it, changing the numbers who support it, shows), it just becomes about aligning with a tribe that one thinks they should belong to, with at best thin ideological grounding. Plus, trying to distance from such left-right stuff gets me nice and smug in the mornings.
This site is better than others but debates can quickly descend into "you're a child eater" and "you're a deluded scrounger" quite quickly. Shame because there are some very lucid, well informed people on here, on all sides of the debate.
Mark Denten @BBCMarkDenten Newcastle Central's @ChiOnwurah becomes a shadow Business minister and will also speak on culture matters...
So she can now speak on the cultural problems of the toy business? Guns for girls, Dolls houses for boys? "it is only when I walk into a toy shop that I feel I am really experiencing gender segregation"
Wayne David MP has three jobs under Corbyn - Cabinet Office, Justice and Scottish Office. How will he have time to look after his constituents?
Maybe it is to stop him talking to the media? " Wayne David has said that if Jeremy Corbyn is elected the Leader of the Labour Party, then it will be extremely difficult for Labour to be an effective opposition and to present itself as a credible party of government at the next general election." August 2015 http://www.waynedavid.co.uk/labour_leadership
On another note, I have made too many excuses for Labour in the past. I have told myself that I was not doing it; but I was. I know lots of Labour members, they are friends and they are good people. Much of what they want I want too. I disagree profoundly with Tory policy and will not vote Tory. But you just cannot brush off stuff like Rotherham or the effects of mass immigration on poor communities or what McDonnell said about the IRA or any of the other collective baggage. If you seek to the fact is that you are not fit for office. You have to accept responsibility and you have to do it genuinely and you have to change. Labour is not interested in that.
You know what? Corbyn's win has set a lot of us free. And it feels kinda good.
I always thought you were a natural bedfellow with Yellow Submarine, formerly of this parish.
Time you turned an agreeable shade of yellow/orange, I think.
isam • Posts: 15,402 December 2014
I see no reason why in the near future, when petty , pretend differnces are put to one side, there wont be a realignment of the parties
Left leaning Libdem, Progressive Labour, Greens, and SNP Blairite Labour/Cameroons/Orange Bookers Old Labour/Right Leaning Tories/UKIP
I dont hate 'Righties', I just think their ideas will lead us to destruction. If I'm wrong, then brilliant. Doesn't mean the state of some of the discourse on here doesnt get my blood pressure up though (I might have to stop for my own mental health soon, which Im sure will be met with horror). Detesting isn't good for you, though.
You shouldn't leave. You should just take a deep breath before responding and then take the moral high ground. You sometimes make interesting points that others do not, and you present a viewpoint that is valuable for others to hear, but you don't help yourself with your sometimes vitriolic responses.
Not bad advice. It's not people like you that drive me mad - I actually appreciate reading genuine heartfelt opinions that differ to mine - it's the hardcore partisans and cut and pasters that get my goat. But life is definitely too short for shouting matches online, tempting though it can be in the heat of the moment.
(a) it has been reported that Jeremy Corbyn has already been appointed to the Privy Council.
(b) the interviewer the other day told Corbyn that he would have to "kneel in front of the Queen" (or whatever) in order to become a member of the privy Council, to which Corbyn responded that he hadn't been told any such thing and that he would have to check when he received the official paperwork.
Which is true? If he has already been appointed, the kneeling stuff is not necessary; if the kneeling thing is necessary, then the appointment hasn't become effective yet.
Is the stuff about kneeling in front of the Queen just a media fantasy invention?
I think he has been invited but hasn't yet taken the oath (or affirmation, in his case).
The Queen has met umpteen idiot socialist republicans before now. Nothing new for her if it is for Corbyn. Remember the laugh we had over Blair dropping to his knees in a trice to 'kiss hands' as Prime Minister? When he had no need to do any such thing. Being appointed to the Privy Council is quite an honour. I would not turn it down if offered. In the same way that you kneel on a footstool to receive a knighthood it should be no great problem for any rational person to do the same to be inducted into the PC. What will Corbyn do when he meets the Pope?
I think Corbyn would get on quite well with the Pope. Their politics are similar in many ways.
I have just done a quick analysis of the new Front bench
117 Members
68 Men 49 Women
Equality in action....
Men Shadow minister for complicated things in the overseas territories Shadow minister for lots of difficult maths and stuff Shadow minister for tough job involving crime and prison
Women Shadow minister for mental health of kittens Shadow minister for getting the coffee and biscuits Shadow minister for pink buses and children
On another note, I have made too many excuses for Labour in the past. I have told myself that I was not doing it; but I was. I know lots of Labour members, they are friends and they are good people. Much of what they want I want too. I disagree profoundly with Tory policy and will not vote Tory. But you just cannot brush off stuff like Rotherham or the effects of mass immigration on poor communities or what McDonnell said about the IRA or any of the other collective baggage. If you seek to the fact is that you are not fit for office. You have to accept responsibility and you have to do it genuinely and you have to change. Labour is not interested in that.
You know what? Corbyn's win has set a lot of us free. And it feels kinda good.
I always thought you were a natural bedfellow with Yellow Submarine, formerly of this parish.
Time you turned an agreeable shade of yellow/orange, I think.
isam • Posts: 15,402 December 2014
I see no reason why in the near future, when petty , pretend differnces are put to one side, there wont be a realignment of the parties
Left leaning Libdem, Progressive Labour, Greens, and SNP Blairite Labour/Cameroons/Orange Bookers Old Labour/Right Leaning Tories/UKIP
I reckon that was a very perceptive post. SNP and Plaid are a bit of a different kettle of fish because nationalism is a key driving force for them: the SNP in particular are, truth be told, rather more centrist/managerialist than their "radical" and "progressive" messaging suggests.
On another note, I have made too many excuses for Labour in the past. I have told myself that I was not doing it; but I was. I know lots of Labour members, they are friends and they are good people. Much of what they want I want too. I disagree profoundly with Tory policy and will not vote Tory. But you just cannot brush off stuff like Rotherham or the effects of mass immigration on poor communities or what McDonnell said about the IRA or any of the other collective baggage. If you seek to the fact is that you are not fit for office. You have to accept responsibility and you have to do it genuinely and you have to change. Labour is not interested in that.
You know what? Corbyn's win has set a lot of us free. And it feels kinda good.
I always thought you were a natural bedfellow with Yellow Submarine, formerly of this parish.
Time you turned an agreeable shade of yellow/orange, I think.
isam • Posts: 15,402 December 2014
I see no reason why in the near future, when petty , pretend differnces are put to one side, there wont be a realignment of the parties
Left leaning Libdem, Progressive Labour, Greens, and SNP Blairite Labour/Cameroons/Orange Bookers Old Labour/Right Leaning Tories/UKIP
If we had a proper voting system, we would have this, rather than the unstable chaos we have at the mo. Though I cant see Old Labourites sharing economic policies with Rightist Tories (UKIP could have some populist economic policies that may appeal.)
I think PB favourite Owen Jones had it right - the current political elite stitch-up (until Corbyn) is socially liberal and economically hard right, whereas there are lots of people who are socially conservative and/or are inclined towards populist left wing economics who are left out in the cold.
'most people accept that he's a nice man, if somewhat in the manner of an absent-minded academic'
Always hard to know exactly where the blah blah ends and outright disingenuousness starts with Nick Palmer, isn't it?
No, Palmer is a careerist liar and an egregious hypocrite. Once you finally accept that, all else makes sense.
-snip-
I think the story that white girls are less important, less precious, and deserve less protection than Asian girls, from pedophile rapists, ACCORDING TO THE COURTS, has finally tipped me over the edge.
I despise Labour, and all the poisonous, evil, multiculti white-hating racist shit that they have dragged into our lives. I want Labour to die now. And if everyone involved with it accidentally gets a disfiguring plague, even as their party expires, great. It appears that Mister Corbyn and his supporters loathe me and my people and my country, well I loathe them right back. I will do anything to see them defeated, and humiliated, forever.
Good afternoon.
Stop virtue signalling you massive fanny.
Well you got one half right. Sean wanting to see Labour and all the other socialist scum defeated, humiliated and destroyed is certainly a virtuous ambition.
Is this sort of language really necessary? I think socialists and their ideas as are as mad as you do, but there really is no need to call other human beings "scum". The only way sensible political ideas can emerge and spread is for us to all treat each other with respect.
I agree, and try never to descend to the level of personal insults.
The fundamental problem is that the right think the left are crazy, but the left think the right are evil.
Part of the left's arsenal is to discredit your opponent. Check Saul Alinsky.
Also check Nick Palmer's earlier post which says precisely that.
I know it's a sweeping statement, but more leftys personally insult rightys on this site than vice versa. (Yes I am aware that a righty called leftys scum here today. That was unfortunate and uncalled for).
On another note, I have made too many excuses for Labour in the past. I have told myself that I was not doing it; but I was. I know lots of Labour members, they are friends and they are good people. Much of what they want I want too. I disagree profoundly with Tory policy and will not vote Tory. But you just cannot brush off stuff like Rotherham or the effects of mass immigration on poor communities or what McDonnell said about the IRA or any of the other collective baggage. If you seek to the fact is that you are not fit for office. You have to accept responsibility and you have to do it genuinely and you have to change. Labour is not interested in that.
You know what? Corbyn's win has set a lot of us free. And it feels kinda good.
I always thought you were a natural bedfellow with Yellow Submarine, formerly of this parish.
Time you turned an agreeable shade of yellow/orange, I think.
isam • Posts: 15,402 December 2014
I see no reason why in the near future, when petty , pretend differnces are put to one side, there wont be a realignment of the parties
Left leaning Libdem, Progressive Labour, Greens, and SNP Blairite Labour/Cameroons/Orange Bookers Old Labour/Right Leaning Tories/UKIP
If we had a proper voting system, we would have this, rather than the unstable chaos we have at the mo. Though I cant see Old Labourites sharing economic policies with Rightist Tories (UKIP could have some populist economic policies that may appeal.)
I think PB favourite Owen Jones had it right - the current political elite stitch-up (until Corbyn) is socially liberal and economically hard right, whereas there are lots of people who are socially conservative and/or are inclined towards populist left wing economics who are left out in the cold.
This is definitely correct. A left-leaning, socially conservative UKIP could do huge damage to Labour. But right now the party's leadership - and its one MP - is too identifiable as right wing economically.
I want some genuine communists on here to be honest. They're pretty rare, and would offer an interesting insight. I think we're covered on some pretty hard right wingers (such as we define the term). Need more Greens, unles that's covered by communists.
I am an occasional Communist (or allied) voter but I'm not a Marxist ideologue. Unsurprisingly I voted for Corbyn in the Labour leadership election.
Were you around when Snowflake was? You'd have liked her.
Neil was a Green. I do hope he makes a return - he was also very good on the politics of his native Northern Ireland, something that PB is now running short on expertise. (Also hope he pays up what he owes to folk, any news on that front?)
The chap on here who knows most about the current Communists is JohnLoony, probably, who follows a lot of their goings-on. (Nick Palmer is an ex-Communist but that was a long time ago so I don't think he counts anymore!)
Is this sort of language really necessary? I think socialists and their ideas as are as mad as you do, but there really is no need to call other human beings "scum". The only way sensible political ideas can emerge and spread is for us to all treat each other with respect.
Some political ideas do not deserve respect. The fact that Wiseman can dismiss Sean as 'virtue signalling' when it is his left wing ideology that has got us in the sorry state where we can consider one set of victims less important than another just because of the colour of their skin shows how warped the left has become. This is the ideology of Diane 'put black and ethnic families first' Abbott.
I dont hate 'Righties', I just think their ideas will lead us to destruction. If I'm wrong, then brilliant. Doesn't mean the state of some of the discourse on here doesnt get my blood pressure up though (I might have to stop for my own mental health soon, which Im sure will be met with horror). Detesting isn't good for you, though.
You shouldn't leave. You should just take a deep breath before responding and then take the moral high ground. You sometimes make interesting points that others do not, and you present a viewpoint that is valuable for others to hear, but you don't help yourself with your sometimes vitriolic responses.
No he should leave. If he wants to be treated with kid gloves then he should f##k off and comment on the Beano page - or Labourlist as it is known these days. Otherwise he is just another whining socialist who likes to give it but can't take it.
I think the story that white girls are less important, less precious, and deserve less protection than Asian girls, from pedophile rapists, ACCORDING TO THE COURTS, has finally tipped me over the edge.
A poor Guardian headline that doesn't stand up to a sensible reading the judgment. There was no general ruling of that sort. The paedophile in question appealed his sentence on the basis that the judge in the lower court had made reference to the impact on the family's reputation within their particular community (or some such). .................
Q: Was the original sentence higher due (amongst the reasons) because it affected a girl from a particular community which were regarded by the judge as being more damaging than a different community in the UK? A: Yes. One tariff for Community A and a different tariff for community B. Then we have the Appeal Court endorsing the original judge saying "In this regard Her Honour Judge Cahill was, entirely properly, having regard to the particular harm caused to the victims by this offending. As it happened, that harm was aggravated by the impact on the victims and their family within this particular community." Q: Is it cos my victim was black/brown? A: Yes
Is this sort of language really necessary? I think socialists and their ideas as are as mad as you do, but there really is no need to call other human beings "scum". The only way sensible political ideas can emerge and spread is for us to all treat each other with respect.
Some political ideas do not deserve respect. The fact that Wiseman can dismiss Sean as 'virtue signalling' when it is his left wing ideology that has got us in the sorry state where we can consider one set of victims less important than another just because of the colour of their skin shows how warped the left has become. This is the ideology of Diane 'put black and ethnic families first' Abbott.
Some political ideas may not deserve respect, but people who mistakenly believe them still do. I share your misgivings about the racism of Diane Abbott and this judge. But I don't think calling people "scum" persuades anyone of our perspective.
'most people accept that he's a nice man, if somewhat in the manner of an absent-minded academic'
Always hard to know exactly where the blah blah ends and outright disingenuousness starts with Nick Palmer, isn't it?
No, Palmer is a careerist liar and an egregious hypocrite. Once you finally accept that, all else makes sense.
-snip-
I think the story that white girls are less important, less precious, and deserve less protection than Asian girls, from pedophile rapists, ACCORDING TO THE COURTS, has finally tipped me over the edge.
I despise Labour, and all the poisonous, evil, multiculti white-hating racist shit that they have dragged into our lives. I want Labour to die now. And if everyone involved with it accidentally gets a disfiguring plague, even as their party expires, great. It appears that Mister Corbyn and his supporters loathe me and my people and my country, well I loathe them right back. I will do anything to see them defeated, and humiliated, forever.
Good afternoon.
Stop virtue signalling you massive fanny.
Well you got one half right. Sean wanting to see Labour and all the other socialist scum defeated, humiliated and destroyed is certainly a virtuous ambition.
Is this sort of language really necessary? I think socialists and their ideas as are as mad as you do, but there really is no need to call other human beings "scum". The only way sensible political ideas can emerge and spread is for us to all treat each other with respect.
I agree, and try never to descend to the level of personal insults.
The fundamental problem is that the right think the left are crazy, but the left think the right are evil.
Part of the left's arsenal is to discredit your opponent. Check Saul Alinsky.
Also check Nick Palmer's earlier post which says precisely that.
I know it's a sweeping statement, but more leftys personally insult rightys on this site than vice versa. (Yes I am aware that a righty called leftys scum here today. That was unfortunate and uncalled for).
Had read this morning that a Labour Councillor claimed that UKIP and Tories had 'created a mandate for murder.'
I know that arson is a very serious matter, but I couldn't help being amused by this account of the 2005 criminal act by the new Labour Education spokesman in the Lords:
The peer was caught on CCTV at 2.15am on November 12 crouching at the base of a curtain in the hotel's main reception and taking matches from his sporran.
Now the apologists will say it is wrong to attack him for this. But it is something that comes as part of the job of being a national leader. You have to be seen to attend these sorts of events, even if it is not something that interests you in the slightest. And if you really can't go, send a high-ranking substitute. Tom Watson would make a very good Pooh Bah....
The new Corbyn press team needs to get this sort of easy stuff right and quickly. If they can't, they will just collapse when something serious happens.
A week is a very long time in politics, even more so when you are Jeremy Corbyn and floundering quite so much.
I dont hate 'Righties', I just think their ideas will lead us to destruction. If I'm wrong, then brilliant. Doesn't mean the state of some of the discourse on here doesnt get my blood pressure up though (I might have to stop for my own mental health soon, which Im sure will be met with horror). Detesting isn't good for you, though.
You shouldn't leave. You should just take a deep breath before responding and then take the moral high ground. You sometimes make interesting points that others do not, and you present a viewpoint that is valuable for others to hear, but you don't help yourself with your sometimes vitriolic responses.
Not bad advice. It's not people like you that drive me mad - I actually appreciate reading genuine heartfelt opinions that differ to mine - it's the hardcore partisans and cut and pasters that get my goat. But life is definitely too short for shouting matches online, tempting though it can be in the heat of the moment.
You should just recognise that feeling of your hackles raising and shut the window to come back a minute later. I'm often surprised when I read some of your posts: one can be an insightful argument and then the next seems like pure hateful rage. Sometimes I struggle to believe it's the same poster making them.
Now the apologists will say it is wrong to attack him for this. But it is something that comes as part of the job of being a national leader. You have to be seen to attend these sorts of events, even if it is not something that interests you in the slightest. And if you really can't go, send a high-ranking substitute. Tom Watson would make a very good Pooh Bah....
The new Corbyn press team needs to get this sort of easy stuff right and quickly. If they can't, they will just collapse when something serious happens.
A week is a very long time in politics, even more so when you are Jeremy Corbyn and floundering quite so much.
I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. Attending England rugby matches is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition.
I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. It is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition to attend England rugby matches.
Agreed. And anyway it's a stupid idea to fake interest if you're not actually interested.
Now the apologists will say it is wrong to attack him for this. But it is something that comes as part of the job of being a national leader. You have to be seen to attend these sorts of events, even if it is not something that interests you in the slightest. And if you really can't go, send a high-ranking substitute. Tom Watson would make a very good Pooh Bah....
The new Corbyn press team needs to get this sort of easy stuff right and quickly. If they can't, they will just collapse when something serious happens.
A week is a very long time in politics, even more so when you are Jeremy Corbyn and floundering quite so much.
Now the apologists will say it is wrong to attack him for this. But it is something that comes as part of the job of being a national leader. You have to be seen to attend these sorts of events, even if it is not something that interests you in the slightest. And if you really can't go, send a high-ranking substitute. Tom Watson would make a very good Pooh Bah....
The new Corbyn press team needs to get this sort of easy stuff right and quickly. If they can't, they will just collapse when something serious happens.
A week is a very long time in politics, even more so when you are Jeremy Corbyn and floundering quite so much.
I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. Attending England rugby matches is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition.
It isn't his responsibility. But, after the way he has been portrayed this week, this was not the way to handle a high profile invitation.
'Jeremy Corbyn is unable to attend tonight because of a long-standing constituency commitment but he has asked X to represent him at the opening match.'
There is nothing difficult about putting out a statement like that. And it would have avoided even more bad headlines.
A spokesman for Mr Corbyn confirmed he had been invited but would not be attending. His shadow culture minister Michael Dugher is not thought to be taking his place.
Now the apologists will say it is wrong to attack him for this. But it is something that comes as part of the job of being a national leader. You have to be seen to attend these sorts of events, even if it is not something that interests you in the slightest. And if you really can't go, send a high-ranking substitute. Tom Watson would make a very good Pooh Bah....
The new Corbyn press team needs to get this sort of easy stuff right and quickly. If they can't, they will just collapse when something serious happens.
A week is a very long time in politics, even more so when you are Jeremy Corbyn and floundering quite so much.
I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. Attending England rugby matches is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition.
It isn't his responsibility. But, after the way he has been portrayed this week, this was not the way to handle a high profile invitation.
'Jeremy Corbyn is unable to attend tonight because of a long-standing constituency commitment but he has asked X to represent him at the opening match.'
There is nothing difficult about putting out a statement like that. And it would have avoided even more bad headlines.
Now the apologists will say it is wrong to attack him for this. But it is something that comes as part of the job of being a national leader. You have to be seen to attend these sorts of events, even if it is not something that interests you in the slightest. And if you really can't go, send a high-ranking substitute. Tom Watson would make a very good Pooh Bah....
The new Corbyn press team needs to get this sort of easy stuff right and quickly. If they can't, they will just collapse when something serious happens.
A week is a very long time in politics, even more so when you are Jeremy Corbyn and floundering quite so much.
Is there a rugby match on today ? Bit early in the season, isn't it ?
It is reported that John Kerry is keen to get talks going with Russia over Syria. This is probably the most important news today. If the US and Russia can adopt a mutual position on Syria and maybe agree over Ukraine with lifting of sanctions on Russia - that would be the game changer
'Just as important is “dumping negatives” – neutralising issues that get in the way of your focus on what you really care about.'
That would be nice but when the library is full to overflowing with 'negatives' for both McDonnell & Corbyn there's no chance of that happening.
Don, let me know when Labour have finished hand-waving away their election and subsequent appointment of a bunch of deeply unlovely people; antisemites, terrorist sympathisers and racists.
I can't conceive what kind of doublethink is required to accommodate the idea that your party have improved on Ed Miliband and his motley band of nonentities.
Now the apologists will say it is wrong to attack him for this. But it is something that comes as part of the job of being a national leader. You have to be seen to attend these sorts of events, even if it is not something that interests you in the slightest. And if you really can't go, send a high-ranking substitute. Tom Watson would make a very good Pooh Bah....
The new Corbyn press team needs to get this sort of easy stuff right and quickly. If they can't, they will just collapse when something serious happens.
A week is a very long time in politics, even more so when you are Jeremy Corbyn and floundering quite so much.
I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. Attending England rugby matches is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition.
Very true. I suppose they thought he might like the opportunity to show his face in a way that will help him connect with people. Doing things ordinary people like doing.
Now the apologists will say it is wrong to attack him for this. But it is something that comes as part of the job of being a national leader. You have to be seen to attend these sorts of events, even if it is not something that interests you in the slightest. And if you really can't go, send a high-ranking substitute. Tom Watson would make a very good Pooh Bah....
The new Corbyn press team needs to get this sort of easy stuff right and quickly. If they can't, they will just collapse when something serious happens.
A week is a very long time in politics, even more so when you are Jeremy Corbyn and floundering quite so much.
I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. Attending England rugby matches is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition.
That's correct well sort of - actually it would have been a snub not to invite him because it's not an England game its the tournament opening ceremony. He was invited quite properly. Would it be the responsibility of the LOTO to attend the olympics opening ceremony? is the entire labour party ignoring the tournament? Or is the deputy leader standing in? is Corbyn going to refuse to attend every event which entails the national anthem? But then again yes. if he don't wanna go - pah why should he. Yes. Who cares about the numpty?
I can't tell if people are being sarcastic or not anymore. Can we go a few hours without him screwing some minor thing up?
He will provide plenty of opportunity, but I think this particular kind, focusing on every little thing,will not much last much longer. It would cease to be entertaining if its continuous, even for those parts of the audience that will lap it up.
I want some genuine communists on here to be honest. They're pretty rare, and would offer an interesting insight. I think we're covered on some pretty hard right wingers (such as we define the term). Need more Greens, unles that's covered by communists.
Were you around when Snowflake was? You'd have liked her.
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its a good object lesson on why we need borders and regulations for crossing them. Schengen is hopefully dead and from that point of view it's possible to be a bit more sanguine about simply being in the EEA.
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Is sharing someone else's defamatory comments against the rules? God how I hate libel laws!
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I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. It is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition to attend England rugby matches.
Agreed. And anyway it's a stupid idea to fake interest if you're not actually interested.
Quite. He should have given his invitation to Sandra from Milton Keynes (or similar) like he did with his questions for PMQs.
A spokesman for Mr Corbyn confirmed he had been invited but would not be attending. His shadow culture minister Michael Dugher is not thought to be taking his place.
Now the apologists will say it is wrong to attack him for this. But it is something that comes as part of the job of being a national leader. You have to be seen to attend these sorts of events, even if it is not something that interests you in the slightest. And if you really can't go, send a high-ranking substitute. Tom Watson would make a very good Pooh Bah....
The new Corbyn press team needs to get this sort of easy stuff right and quickly. If they can't, they will just collapse when something serious happens.
A week is a very long time in politics, even more so when you are Jeremy Corbyn and floundering quite so much.
I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. Attending England rugby matches is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition.
It isn't his responsibility. But, after the way he has been portrayed this week, this was not the way to handle a high profile invitation.
'Jeremy Corbyn is unable to attend tonight because of a long-standing constituency commitment but he has asked X to represent him at the opening match.'
There is nothing difficult about putting out a statement like that. And it would have avoided even more bad headlines.
Does that mean there is a ticket for the opening ceremony going to waste?
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Quite right.
There is no evidence against the current Rotherham MP who has an exemplary record.
I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. Attending England rugby matches is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition.
If you want to get ahead in politics or business, sometimes you have to be seen to be making an effort. Even if he does not enjoy it, it makes sense to go and be seen there. He needs to connect, he needs support.
Remember the old adage: "90% of success is simply about turning up"
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Is sharing someone else's defamatory comments against the rules? God how I hate libel laws!
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Is sharing someone else's defamatory comments against the rules? God how I hate libel laws!
Not just against the rules but liable.
What if it's a bigoted statement of irrational honest opinion?
@JEO Agreed, you can disagree with someone but still respect them as a person - for example, I disagree with some of what you say, but I still find your posts very interesting to read. I find it interesting though, that some on the right (not you) appear to think that it is exclusively left-wing ideas which haven't worked out.
When do we run out of groups that the Corbynites have not upset? Rugby today.
Additionally to my other comment on this - the Telegraph adds -- ''His shadow culture minister Michael Dugher is not thought to be taking his place''. Why? ??? Shadow culture secretary not attending a major international sporting event? TBH everyone will be enjoying themselves all the more in their absence.
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Stopped. but I'm innocent.
No you are a clown who is unable to learn a lesson despite having it repeated to you on numerous occasions.
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Is sharing someone else's defamatory comments against the rules? God how I hate libel laws!
Not just against the rules but liable.
What if it's a bigoted statement of irrational honest opinion?
"Anyone who repeats allegations can also be sued. This is important. Seeing something written somewhere else doesn't mean it is true. Repeating allegations without making sure they are true is a very good way to get yourself knee deep in litigation. "
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Quite right.
There is no evidence against the current Rotherham MP who has an exemplary record.
Too little too late in the case of Ms Champion.
Cole then wrote to Sarah Champion, the Labour candidate who won the election, in her new role as MP for Rotherham. He wrote that she needed to get her hands dirty and speak out. Cole told Champion, "I was warning about people in that gang in 2005 - RMBC ignored these concerns". Champion assured him that she believed that "we have a strong system in place".
I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. Attending England rugby matches is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition.
If you want to get ahead in politics or business, sometimes you have to be seen to be making an effort. Even if he does not enjoy it, it makes sense to go and be seen there. He needs to connect, he needs support.
Remember the old adage: "90% of success is simply about turning up"
Corbyn seems to think there are no responsibilities to being leader of the opposition.
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Is sharing someone else's defamatory comments against the rules? God how I hate libel laws!
Not just against the rules but liable.
What if it's a bigoted statement of irrational honest opinion?
"Anyone who repeats allegations can also be sued. This is important. Seeing something written somewhere else doesn't mean it is true. Repeating allegations without making sure they are true is a very good way to get yourself knee deep in litigation. "
Comments
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/145124/shock-over-caricature-bbc-proms-programme
@GroomB: @PickardJE Interesting comeback for Lord (Mike) Watson, jailed for wilful fire-raising in 2005.
"I've been thinking about Cameron's options - and to be honest, I'm not sure he could've campaigned for Leave even if he wanted to.
There's nowhere to go, if your PM is for BOO - for the electorate to have an option - he has to back Stay for any concessions to be made at all. "
If he stuck to the list of EC items he had made going into GE2010 as part of the demands then we could have seen a genuine chance of reform. However, in Government he chose to abandon or weaken them. He chose in Liddington one of the biggest europhiles in his party - a difficult job as there are so few. Although he went into GE2010 with a eurosceptic shadow european minister (I believe). He therefore ends up effectively asking for very little and delivering very little. By doing this he improves the chances of Leaving. Ironic?
The paedophile in question appealed his sentence on the basis that the judge in the lower court had made reference to the impact on the family's reputation within their particular community (or some such). Whilst this probably wasn't a particularly opportune comment, the appellate court simply said, "No, we won't reduce your sentence. Impact on the family is something for the first instance judge to decide based on the particular facts of the case".
That's classic appeal stuff. First instance judge explains himself poorly but basically gets the sentence right. Appeal court leaves it well alone because, if you get into a situation where you subject sentencing remarks to an unreasonable degree of scrutiny, you always have a negotiation down from the original sentence and lose sight of the justice of the case.
What's the latest buzzword(s) "virtue signalling"?
Remember the laugh we had over Blair dropping to his knees in a trice to 'kiss hands' as Prime Minister? When he had no need to do any such thing.
Being appointed to the Privy Council is quite an honour. I would not turn it down if offered. In the same way that you kneel on a footstool to receive a knighthood it should be no great problem for any rational person to do the same to be inducted into the PC.
What will Corbyn do when he meets the Pope?
How will he have time to look after his constituents?
I didn't know about Tony Banks' finger crossing. I can't imagine how Mr. Corbyn will be able to cross his fingers while kissing the Queen's hand.
In fact I've now forgotten thinking about it.
The Star Spangled Banner and La Marseillaise both show how we (I daren't say "one") can be truly patriotic in a republic. I find the former quite un-singable, but the latter rather inspiring.
"it is only when I walk into a toy shop that I feel I am really experiencing gender segregation"
Time you turned an agreeable shade of yellow/orange, I think.
" Wayne David has said that if Jeremy Corbyn is elected the Leader of the Labour Party, then it will be extremely difficult for Labour to be an effective opposition and to present itself as a credible party of government at the next general election." August 2015
http://www.waynedavid.co.uk/labour_leadership
117 Members
68 Men
49 Women
Equality in action....
December 2014
I see no reason why in the near future, when petty , pretend differnces are put to one side, there wont be a realignment of the parties
Left leaning Libdem, Progressive Labour, Greens, and SNP
Blairite Labour/Cameroons/Orange Bookers
Old Labour/Right Leaning Tories/UKIP
Shadow minister for complicated things in the overseas territories
Shadow minister for lots of difficult maths and stuff
Shadow minister for tough job involving crime and prison
Women
Shadow minister for mental health of kittens
Shadow minister for getting the coffee and biscuits
Shadow minister for pink buses and children
15,000 migrants have entered country in last 2 days...
1 family has asked for asylum
#economicmigrants
I think PB favourite Owen Jones had it right - the current political elite stitch-up (until Corbyn) is socially liberal and economically hard right, whereas there are lots of people who are socially conservative and/or are inclined towards populist left wing economics who are left out in the cold.
The fundamental problem is that the right think the left are crazy, but the left think the right are evil.
Part of the left's arsenal is to discredit your opponent. Check Saul Alinsky.
Also check Nick Palmer's earlier post which says precisely that.
I know it's a sweeping statement, but more leftys personally insult rightys on this site than vice versa. (Yes I am aware that a righty called leftys scum here today. That was unfortunate and uncalled for).
Were you around when Snowflake was? You'd have liked her.
Neil was a Green. I do hope he makes a return - he was also very good on the politics of his native Northern Ireland, something that PB is now running short on expertise. (Also hope he pays up what he owes to folk, any news on that front?)
The chap on here who knows most about the current Communists is JohnLoony, probably, who follows a lot of their goings-on. (Nick Palmer is an ex-Communist but that was a long time ago so I don't think he counts anymore!)
It may reappear in the next few weeks across England and Wales.
A: Yes. One tariff for Community A and a different tariff for community B.
Then we have the Appeal Court endorsing the original judge saying "In this regard Her Honour Judge Cahill was, entirely properly, having regard to the particular harm caused to the victims by this offending. As it happened, that harm was aggravated by the impact on the victims and their family within this particular community."
Q: Is it cos my victim was black/brown?
A: Yes
http://www.bristol247.com/channel/news-comment/daily/politics/somali-cllr-attacks-ukip-in-rousing-speech
I'm not sure that her leap in logic has much basis in recent events or facts, but it hardly raises the standard of debate.
(A mite unfair characterisation. SeanT is angry about this ruling. Entirely understandably.)
The peer was caught on CCTV at 2.15am on November 12 crouching at the base of a curtain in the hotel's main reception and taking matches from his sporran.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/sep/23/uk.lords
Seriously, there are enough serious matters upon which to attack him, without having to resort to this kind of bollocks.
The new Corbyn press team needs to get this sort of easy stuff right and quickly. If they can't, they will just collapse when something serious happens.
A week is a very long time in politics, even more so when you are Jeremy Corbyn and floundering quite so much.
Actually my knowledge of French is zilch---my nearest approximation is two years of school Latin---but I like the sound.
The German anthem is very homely (German beer and German wine??).
Just hope he doesn't go the Ireland game. Or Argentina...
Moslems Desecrate their own mosques b/c Islam itself is a desecration of LIFE @ritzy_jewels @BlissTabitha @JewhadiTM @skoss13
And then theres this, from an extreme fascist jew hater:
Count Coudenhove
@CountCoudenhove
@dantehicks37 @Markenmies @FieldMarshalWh2 Jews use Muslims as useful idiots to destroy western civilisation.
Consider:
1. Legal handball!
2. Legal fouling!
3. No proper goal - you can take the ball across any part of the opposition line!
It's precisely this sort of unforced PR error that just adds to the fast developing meme that he doesn't like this country.
Maybe if he attended - he'd learn something new.
Oh, I forgot. He doesn't do that.
'Jeremy Corbyn is unable to attend tonight because of a long-standing constituency commitment but he has asked X to represent him at the opening match.'
There is nothing difficult about putting out a statement like that. And it would have avoided even more bad headlines.
Great Britain are about evens to win the Davis Cup. Andy Murray is 20/1 to win SPOTY. You can back him each-way.
The Davis Cup final is a fortnight before the result.
I can't conceive what kind of doublethink is required to accommodate the idea that your party have improved on Ed Miliband and his motley band of nonentities.
But then again yes. if he don't wanna go - pah why should he. Yes. Who cares about the numpty?
If she'd got PB's support...
NBCSN is reporting that the Singapore government seeded the clouds with silver nitrate to create rain to get rid of the haze.
Also the course has been changed slightly since 2014 - the track now uses a different lane on the Anderson Bridge, affecting turns 11. 12 and 13.
http://order-order.com/2015/09/18/dear-deidre-jezza-and-diane-edition
I suspect it refers to the content of the tweet you posted.
No need to involve OGH in any nastiness.
Does that mean there is a ticket for the opening ceremony going to waste?
Now that IS sacrilege...
There is no evidence against the current Rotherham MP who has an exemplary record.
Remember the old adage: "90% of success is simply about turning up"
Not just against the rules but liable.
Mr. B, cheers for that post, though it surprises me. Checked a forecast and rain's due tomorrow and on Sunday anyway.
???
Shadow culture secretary not attending a major international sporting event?
TBH everyone will be enjoying themselves all the more in their absence.
http://www.urban75.org/info/libel.html
If Lewis wins on Sunday he will have the same number of wins as Senna in the same number of starts.