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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    @ONS
    UK productivity 20% below the average for the rest of the G7 in 2014 ow.ly/SoprI
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    surbiton said:

    The problem is that everyone who cares about that sport now thinks negatively about him - irrespective of who's team is playing.

    It's precisely this sort of unforced PR error that just adds to the fast developing meme that he doesn't like this country.

    Maybe if he attended - he'd learn something new.

    Oh, I forgot. He doesn't do that.

    Scott_P said:

    @KateEMcCann: Jeremy Corbyn accused of "snubbing" rugby world cup opening ceremony this evening: http://t.co/uomFmwXU8h

    Now the apologists will say it is wrong to attack him for this. But it is something that comes as part of the job of being a national leader. You have to be seen to attend these sorts of events, even if it is not something that interests you in the slightest. And if you really can't go, send a high-ranking substitute. Tom Watson would make a very good Pooh Bah....

    The new Corbyn press team needs to get this sort of easy stuff right and quickly. If they can't, they will just collapse when something serious happens.

    A week is a very long time in politics, even more so when you are Jeremy Corbyn and floundering quite so much.
    Is there a rugby match on today ? Bit early in the season, isn't it ?
    The important game tonight is Wigan v St Helens.
    Well done Cas - hope Yvette was profuse with her congratulations.
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    Were you around when Snowflake was? You'd have liked her.

    Snowflake5? Oh my goodness - there is a blast from the past. She had a blog that she kept going for a while but it stopped about a year or so ago.

    Perhaps she'll return now that she's got time on her hands.
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    I'm don't personally think any the worse of Corbyn for him not going to a rugby match (and didn't over not singing the national anthem)... but it's poor politics.

    Corbyn has a range of difficulties, but one of them is the "who would you rather go for a pint with?" issue. It's always an unfair one because an affable public persona doesn't reliably translate to being a nice person, and vice versa (indeed, as a bit of an introvert, I quietly suspect the correlation runs the other way). But all the evidence is that it DOES matter to people, and there's a bloody good reason politicians pretend to be normal.

    Jezza does come across as dour, humourless and having few "normal" interests outside advancing the march of socialism. It would do him no harm to be pictured having a good-natured chat with the red-trouser brigade over a pie (cheese and onion, obviously). He'd obviously prefer to stay in and read the latest biography of Frederick Engels (and fair enough - each to his own) but he does have to think about a bit more than his ideal Friday night at this stage, what with the new job and all.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Is that Joan Ruddick he's stood next too? A hint?
    JEO said:
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. Attending England rugby matches is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition.

    If you want to get ahead in politics or business, sometimes you have to be seen to be making an effort. Even if he does not enjoy it, it makes sense to go and be seen there. He needs to connect, he needs support.

    Remember the old adage: "90% of success is simply about turning up"
    Corbyn seems to think there are no responsibilities to being leader of the opposition.
    He seems to lack the most basic understanding of politics - that it is about persuading and influencing people.

    To me, he comes across more and more as an idealogue with little or no understanding of what makes people tick.


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    Personally, I don't blame Corbyn for not going to the Rugby event today. It's a sport which bores me to tears.
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    Mr. B, aye, I read that. Not fussed, to honest.
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    JEO said:
    There can't have been that many female Labour MPs in the 80s and I would guess you are looking for someone on the left. How about Clare Short?
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited September 2015
    I think we're beginning to see why his first wife divorced him. He's only interested in his political hobbies. No dinners out, trips to the cinema...

    I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. Attending England rugby matches is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition.

    If you want to get ahead in politics or business, sometimes you have to be seen to be making an effort. Even if he does not enjoy it, it makes sense to go and be seen there. He needs to connect, he needs support.

    Remember the old adage: "90% of success is simply about turning up"
    Corbyn seems to think there are no responsibilities to being leader of the opposition.
    He seems to lack the most basic understanding of politics - that it is about persuading and influencing people.

    To me, he comes across more and more as an idealogue with little or no understanding of what makes people tick.


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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287

    JEO said:
    There can't have been that many female Labour MPs in the 80s and I would guess you are looking for someone on the left. How about Clare Short?
    Did that Picture Editor send a hint?
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    edited September 2015
    JWisemann said:

    AnneJGP said:

    It's a good article. Corbyn and McDonnell need to do three things, in sequence.

    (snipped)

    Instinctive Labour-leaning voter speaking:
    1. The personal negatives are their very own attributes. Mr Corbyn is a very nice man if you agree with him; so, actually, no: not in my book he isn't. Mr McConnell is a politician and did what the politician had to do; far, far too late. It isn't their competence I doubt; it's their private agenda.

    2. You're right. But if there is a better approach, why can't its proponents explain it clearly? I've been trying to get my head round it for 6 years.

    3. Discredit your opponent. Never mind whether your opponent is disreputable, as long as you can make people think they are. Funny how that approach works in politics. I understand that it's the first thing that salespeople are warned against.

    Sorry, Nick. The scales tipped for me yesterday. As far as I'm concerned, Labour has lost it. Labour's been taken over. Last time round the hard left were fronting for communism. The only consolation is that if the hard left take over the country now, it'll be the religious fundamentalists who'll be barging in after them.

    When did you last vote Labour out of curiosity?
    Do you really think the policies being suggested by the current lot are hard left?
    1) I last voted Labour at the 2015 local elections. UK Labour at GE2010 & GE2015 were washouts for me; sorry & all that
    but .....

    At the time of GE 2005 I was living in Exeter, so probably voted for Ben Bradshaw but actually don't remember anything about that GE at all, not where my voting station was or even that there was a GE during my time there. (I'm a civic-duty voter but was in the throes of clinical depression so may not have voted at all. Although not voting would have been extremely unusual, it was my first meaningful chance to make my vote count, so I'd have thought I would remember it. Until 2005 I had lived all my life in dead-donkey Conservative constituencies, so used my vote to support no-hoper candidates that I felt deserved encouragement.)

    2) No, I don't think the policies being suggested at present are hard left. What I'm seeing is hard left people making a successful take-over. I'm old enough to remember what people with the same world-view did last time. I don't doubt anyone's sincerity, but I personally don't want to go there again.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256


    Were you around when Snowflake was? You'd have liked her.

    Snowflake5? Oh my goodness - there is a blast from the past. She had a blog that she kept going for a while but it stopped about a year or so ago.

    Perhaps she'll return now that she's got time on her hands.
    :) I cannot say I ever agreed with her on just about anything, but she was passionate and wrote some insightful stuff. Her blog was often a good read.
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656


    Were you around when Snowflake was? You'd have liked her.

    Snowflake5? Oh my goodness - there is a blast from the past. She had a blog that she kept going for a while but it stopped about a year or so ago.

    Perhaps she'll return now that she's got time on her hands.
    :) I cannot say I ever agreed with her on just about anything, but she was passionate and wrote some insightful stuff. Her blog was often a good read.
    How did people know who she was?
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,501
    BETTING POST.

    Sky offering 7/2 on Osbo as next PM. Next best 13:8.

    Down from a brief 4/1.

    http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-prime-minister

    Has something happened?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,283
    Travelling around London today it seems an addendum is required that not only is rugby a game for hooligans played by gentlemen but it is a game for hooligans played by gentlemen and watched by thoroughly decent gels in pels and their menfolk, all equally decent.

    Oh and a lot of frenchmen with funny hats.
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656

    Personally, I don't blame Corbyn for not going to the Rugby event today. It's a sport which bores me to tears.

    Rugby's one of the more exciting sports, isn't it? Continuous action.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Any Questions? @BBCAnyQuestions
    On the panel, @SeemaMalhotra1 MP (Lab&Co-op), @theresecoffey MP (Con), writer @allisonpearson, commentator @johnmcternan
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    JEO said:

    Personally, I don't blame Corbyn for not going to the Rugby event today. It's a sport which bores me to tears.

    Rugby's one of the more exciting sports, isn't it? Continuous action.
    Tbh a lot of the time it just looks like a bunch of blokes piling on top of one another for the ball. Football and Tennis are the best sports, IMHO.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105

    Personally, I don't blame Corbyn for not going to the Rugby event today. It's a sport which bores me to tears.

    Well, Spitfires and old pilots might have bored you too, but you aren't Leader of the Opposition.

    There is a list of things it is prudent to do as a Leader of the Opposition. One is sing the national anthem when celebrating those who were prepared to give the ultimate sacrifice for the country, so that the same national anthem could still be sung. In English. Another is to be present as the said Leader of the Opposition at a prestigious event, showcasing this country and shown around the world for the next few weeks. Britain at its best.

    That he doesn't want to be associated with it (presumably because he fears he will be closely examined to see if his lips move for the anthem) is a snub to the event and to the office of LOTO. Oh, and to the country hosting this event.

    His country. Supposedly. Maybe if it were being held in his constituency. Or Dresden.....
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    I think we're beginning to see why his first wife divorced him. He's only interested in his political hobbies. No dinners out, trips to the cinema...

    I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. Attending England rugby matches is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition.

    If you want to get ahead in politics or business, sometimes you have to be seen to be making an effort. Even if he does not enjoy it, it makes sense to go and be seen there. He needs to connect, he needs support.

    Remember the old adage: "90% of success is simply about turning up"
    Corbyn seems to think there are no responsibilities to being leader of the opposition.
    He seems to lack the most basic understanding of politics - that it is about persuading and influencing people.

    To me, he comes across more and more as an idealogue with little or no understanding of what makes people tick.


    I am glad I am not him.
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    JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited September 2015
    IIRC it's the first time it's been this big and we haven't hosted the RWorld Cup since 1991.

    This isn't some meaningless international one off.

    Personally, I don't blame Corbyn for not going to the Rugby event today. It's a sport which bores me to tears.

    Well, Spitfires and old pilots might have bored you too, but you aren't Leader of the Opposition.

    There is a list of things it is prudent to do as a Leader of the Opposition. One is sing the national anthem when celebrating those who were prepared to give the ultimate sacrifice for the country, so that the same national anthem could still be sung. In English. Another is to be present as the said Leader of the Opposition at a prestigious event, showcasing this country and shown around the world for the next few weeks. Britain at its best.

    That he doesn't want to be associated with it (presumably because he fears he will be closely examined to see if his lips move for the anthem) is a snub to the event and to the office of LOTO. Oh, and to the country hosting this event.

    His country. Supposedly. Maybe if it were being held in his constituency. Or Dresden.....
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    Mr. JEO, rugby's a good sport. Like you say, lots of action.

    Though bad games are dire (there was a Scotland/England match a few years ago in terrible conditions which was tedious as hell). At least with F1 a boring race can be enlivened by a crash or technical failure.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    JEO said:


    Were you around when Snowflake was? You'd have liked her.

    Snowflake5? Oh my goodness - there is a blast from the past. She had a blog that she kept going for a while but it stopped about a year or so ago.

    Perhaps she'll return now that she's got time on her hands.
    :) I cannot say I ever agreed with her on just about anything, but she was passionate and wrote some insightful stuff. Her blog was often a good read.
    How did people know who she was?
    Well.... she always used the handle "Snowflake5", her blog was called "Snowflake5" and she always used the tag-line "I'm Labour", on top of that her views were fairly consistent. It is not like I had 4 people mixed up...
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    Every time someone from the left quotes Paul Krugman they stick "Nobel-prize-winning" in front of him. Never mind that his Nobel prize was nothing to do with his take on austerity. There could not be a more blatant appeal to authority.

    And what is wrong with an appeal to authority? It was something Aristotle approved of.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725

    JEO said:

    Personally, I don't blame Corbyn for not going to the Rugby event today. It's a sport which bores me to tears.

    Rugby's one of the more exciting sports, isn't it? Continuous action.
    Tbh a lot of the time it just looks like a bunch of blokes piling on top of one another for the ball. Football and Tennis are the best sports, IMHO.
    A bad Rugby game is worse than a bad football game, but a good rugby game is much better than a good football game, in my opinion.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    More Formula 1 -

    will Red Bull be on the grid next year?

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/sep/18/red-bull-christian-horner-engine
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    I'm don't personally think any the worse of Corbyn for him not going to a rugby match (and didn't over not singing the national anthem)... but it's poor politics.

    Corbyn has a range of difficulties, but one of them is the "who would you rather go for a pint with?" issue. It's always an unfair one because an affable public persona doesn't reliably translate to being a nice person, and vice versa (indeed, as a bit of an introvert, I quietly suspect the correlation runs the other way). But all the evidence is that it DOES matter to people, and there's a bloody good reason politicians pretend to be normal.

    Jezza does come across as dour, humourless and having few "normal" interests outside advancing the march of socialism. It would do him no harm to be pictured having a good-natured chat with the red-trouser brigade over a pie (cheese and onion, obviously). He'd obviously prefer to stay in and read the latest biography of Frederick Engels (and fair enough - each to his own) but he does have to think about a bit more than his ideal Friday night at this stage, what with the new job and all.

    All he has to do is sit in a seat, let his eyes glaze over and think back to the happier, carefree days of touring the GDR with his paramour. Come on Jezza, make the effort! Don't you want to be PM?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,283
    JWisemann said:

    To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.

    The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.

    Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    JWisemann said:

    To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.

    Yes. I do feel very sorry for him with what he's undergoing. I hope he & his family come through it relatively unscathed.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    Anecdote alert - walking home today I spied in a window a 'Jeremy Corbyn for Labour Leader' poster, in a house which had displayed a Green party poster at the GE - both are sufficiently out of place in the Tory shires that I recalled the house, but clearly the Corbyn effect is indeed working in many places!
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    PLATO 111 (and nearly 500 posts already)

    "I think we're beginning to see why his first wife divorced him. He's only interested in his political hobbies. No dinners out, trips to the cinema... "

    This thread is becoming surreal like the last one. If you and Jessop can't find find anything interesting to write can't you go for a swim?
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    Is that Joan Ruddick he's stood next too? A hint?

    JEO said:
    ! This is getting ridiculous. Corbyn treating Labour and CND as if he was a Young Conservative
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    Betting post.For those who are in for the next Labour leader market,the 16-1 available at WH for Keir Starmer should be taken in any dutch bet alongside the value of AJ at long odds.The thing about Alan Johnson is that he has consistently said he doesn't want it or need it .I believe him .Whilst Keir Starmer's politics is in the formidable position of no political baggage or association with the Blair/Brown government.He has an open book.
    As part of the dutch spread I would also include a number of women as Labour may decide AWS should apply to the election of leader.Maybe someday Labour will choose to have a woman leader.Where's Barbara Castle when you need her?
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    At least with F1 a boring race can be enlivened by a crash or technical failure.

    I assume then that every F1 race has a crash or technical failure? :D
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    edited September 2015
    Mr. B, I'd guess so. Ferrari engines.

    Be a shame to lose two teams. On the plus side, there'd be no more bitching from Horner.

    Edited extra bit: MrsC, you cheeky monkey!

    [Although that may be an accurate assessment of the 2015 season to date].
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    TOPPING said:

    JWisemann said:

    To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.

    The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.

    Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
    Tbh I think it's just that he doesn't like Rugby, and is the kind of bloke who is probably very stubborn. Apparently he's very into trains though.

    @MarqueeMark I only found learning about Spitfires and old pilots boring when I had to endure Ewan McGregor documentaries about it.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,916

    I think we're beginning to see why his first wife divorced him. He's only interested in his political hobbies. No dinners out, trips to the cinema...

    I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. Attending England rugby matches is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition.

    If you want to get ahead in politics or business, sometimes you have to be seen to be making an effort. Even if he does not enjoy it, it makes sense to go and be seen there. He needs to connect, he needs support.

    Remember the old adage: "90% of success is simply about turning up"
    Corbyn seems to think there are no responsibilities to being leader of the opposition.
    He seems to lack the most basic understanding of politics - that it is about persuading and influencing people.

    To me, he comes across more and more as an idealogue with little or no understanding of what makes people tick.


    and he shags anything w a pulse
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    edited September 2015
    isam said:

    I think we're beginning to see why his first wife divorced him. He's only interested in his political hobbies. No dinners out, trips to the cinema...

    I have to say I'm naturally hostile to Corbyn, but this kind of nonsensical attack makes me want to come to his defence. Attending England rugby matches is not a responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition.

    If you want to get ahead in politics or business, sometimes you have to be seen to be making an effort. Even if he does not enjoy it, it makes sense to go and be seen there. He needs to connect, he needs support.

    Remember the old adage: "90% of success is simply about turning up"
    Corbyn seems to think there are no responsibilities to being leader of the opposition.
    He seems to lack the most basic understanding of politics - that it is about persuading and influencing people.

    To me, he comes across more and more as an idealogue with little or no understanding of what makes people tick.


    and he shags anything w a pulse
    Is this statement defamatory?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758


    Were you around when Snowflake was? You'd have liked her.

    Snowflake5? Oh my goodness - there is a blast from the past. She had a blog that she kept going for a while but it stopped about a year or so ago.

    Perhaps she'll return now that she's got time on her hands.
    I'd imagine she's done with politics for a bit
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    kle4 said:

    Anecdote alert - walking home today I spied in a window a 'Jeremy Corbyn for Labour Leader' poster, in a house which had displayed a Green party poster at the GE - both are sufficiently out of place in the Tory shires that I recalled the house, but clearly the Corbyn effect is indeed working in many places!

    The Greens, being far leftie in the main and Corbynistas are largely interchangeable.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,917
    MattW said:

    BETTING POST.

    Sky offering 7/2 on Osbo as next PM. Next best 13:8.

    Down from a brief 4/1.

    http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-prime-minister

    Has something happened?

    The market is for PM after 2020 GE.
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    Pauly said:


    Is this statement defamatory?

    It would be defamatory if the preposition was 'without'.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Edited extra bit: MrsC, you cheeky monkey!

    [Although that may be an accurate assessment of the 2015 season to date].

    Well... time to go and get ready for a night out with friends. I doubt we will discuss any leftist ideology
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    TOPPING said:

    JWisemann said:

    To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.

    The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.

    Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
    Tbh I think it's just that he doesn't like Rugby, and is the kind of bloke who is probably very stubborn. Apparently he's very into trains though.

    @MarqueeMark I only found learning about Spitfires and old pilots boring when I had to endure Ewan McGregor documentaries about it.
    I have come round to Jezza since I found out he was a biker. I loved my motorbikes and went on a couple of biking tours, though not the DDR. I had an MZ made in DDR once, does anyone know what bike Jezza had?
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656

    JEO said:


    Were you around when Snowflake was? You'd have liked her.

    Snowflake5? Oh my goodness - there is a blast from the past. She had a blog that she kept going for a while but it stopped about a year or so ago.

    Perhaps she'll return now that she's got time on her hands.
    :) I cannot say I ever agreed with her on just about anything, but she was passionate and wrote some insightful stuff. Her blog was often a good read.
    How did people know who she was?
    Well.... she always used the handle "Snowflake5", her blog was called "Snowflake5" and she always used the tag-line "I'm Labour", on top of that her views were fairly consistent. It is not like I had 4 people mixed up...
    No, I mean how did people know she was Missus Balls.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,283
    MattW said:

    BETTING POST.

    Sky offering 7/2 on Osbo as next PM. Next best 13:8.

    Down from a brief 4/1.

    http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-prime-minister

    Has something happened?

    It was always known that Osbo wanted to be FS. Obviously his stature has increased by luck and design such that he is now seen as a possible PM. But I'm not sure anything has changed from the time he wanted to be FS.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,917

    TOPPING said:

    JWisemann said:

    To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.

    The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.

    Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
    Tbh I think it's just that he doesn't like Rugby, and is the kind of bloke who is probably very stubborn. Apparently he's very into trains though.

    @MarqueeMark I only found learning about Spitfires and old pilots boring when I had to endure Ewan McGregor documentaries about it.
    I have come round to Jezza since I found out he was a biker. I loved my motorbikes and went on a couple of biking tours, though not the DDR. I had an MZ made in DDR once, does anyone know what bike Jezza had?
    Honda Super Blackbird ?
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    Tim_B said:

    More Formula 1 -

    will Red Bull be on the grid next year?

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/sep/18/red-bull-christian-horner-engine

    It'd be a shame for the staff, so I hope they're there for their sakes.

    But I'm fed up with the Red Bull management constantly whinging, as if they have a right to be the best team. I particularly feel sorry for Renault, who are having all the blame for Red Bull's underperformance thrown at them, when the car is also not massively competitive at most tracks.
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    Were you around when Snowflake was? You'd have liked her.

    Snowflake5? Oh my goodness - there is a blast from the past. She had a blog that she kept going for a while but it stopped about a year or so ago.

    Perhaps she'll return now that she's got time on her hands.
    :) I cannot say I ever agreed with her on just about anything, but she was passionate and wrote some insightful stuff. Her blog was often a good read.
    While it was clearly well-written, punchy and the product of a lot of thought, I thought it was stultifying and utterly uninsightful personally, but that may be because my starting point was a position of similar alignment if not broad agreement.

    Made me more unforgiving of factual and historical errors, over-extended extrapolations, comparisons and allegories, the trotting out of the same old tropes. For someone not familiar with the paradigm, what she wrote might have been quite refreshing.
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    Were you around when Snowflake was? You'd have liked her.

    Snowflake5? Oh my goodness - there is a blast from the past. She had a blog that she kept going for a while but it stopped about a year or so ago.

    Perhaps she'll return now that she's got time on her hands.
    :) I cannot say I ever agreed with her on just about anything, but she was passionate and wrote some insightful stuff. Her blog was often a good read.
    While it was clearly well-written, punchy and the product of a lot of thought, I thought it was stultifying and utterly uninsightful personally, but that may be because my starting point was a position of similar alignment if not broad agreement.

    Made me more unforgiving of factual and historical errors, over-extended extrapolations, comparisons and allegories, the trotting out of the same old tropes. For someone not familiar with the paradigm, what she wrote might have been quite refreshing.
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    Evening all.

    Man sentenced to life for 'senseless' stabbing to death of 15 year old cyclist, Alan Cartwright.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34289598

    not surprised in the least.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871

    Hmm, colour me sceptical...

    Still, I take Don's point about dumping negatives. The two negatives which Labour most needs to dump are John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn.

    Allstar Darling -- ''I don't know what Jeremy Corbyn stands for'' (BBC)
    That is because darling is a Tory, so why would he.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871

    Mr. JEO, rugby's a good sport. Like you say, lots of action.

    Though bad games are dire (there was a Scotland/England match a few years ago in terrible conditions which was tedious as hell). At least with F1 a boring race can be enlivened by a crash or technical failure.

    MD, it is like watching paint dry.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Edited extra bit: MrsC, you cheeky monkey!

    [Although that may be an accurate assessment of the 2015 season to date].

    Well... time to go and get ready for a night out with friends. I doubt we will discuss any leftist ideology
    Left bank is a matter of common sense, not ideology.

    I mean you have St. Julien, St. Estephe, Margaux on the left bank.

    Admittedly, the right bank offers Pomerol and St. Emilion...

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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871
    TOPPING said:

    JWisemann said:

    To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.

    The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.

    Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
    Topping , you have lost it , what has happened to your usual sensible self. That is a load of bollox.
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @JWisemann


    'To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.'


    Poor diddums.
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    Mr. G, balderdash and tonky-talk!
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    isamisam Posts: 40,916

    Evening all.

    Man sentenced to life for 'senseless' stabbing to death of 15 year old cyclist, Alan Cartwright.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34289598

    not surprised in the least.

    LBC phone in yesterday on Stop and Search hosted by the moron O'Brien criticised Zac Goldsmith for noticing that as the searches have gone down, knife crime has gone up.... preventing the trauma of certain people getting stopped more than once a lifetime is more important than stopping people dying apparently
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    I've never listened to the words of the anthem till now. It is indeed a load of tosh and in parts offensive. Had Corbyn had the sort of spin doctor most leaders have I'm sure they would have pointed out how inappropriate he found it insulting the Scots on an occasion like that which was why his lips didn't move. For those (like me) who haven't bothered to listen here is the offending verse

    Lord grant that Marshal Wade
    May by thy mighty aid
    Victory bring.
    May he sedition hush,
    And like a torrent rush,
    Rebellious Scots to crush.
    God save the Queen!

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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    off topic, I assume OGH and TSE will be doing a London Mayoral/Assembly Member betting piece soon. I ask because I have been nominated as an AM candidate in Merton/Wandsworth and would love to their thoughts.
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    At the Davis Cup fans in Glasgow cheering an Englishman. Salmond must feel ill.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited September 2015
    isam said:

    Evening all.

    Man sentenced to life for 'senseless' stabbing to death of 15 year old cyclist, Alan Cartwright.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34289598

    not surprised in the least.

    LBC phone in yesterday on Stop and Search hosted by the moron O'Brien criticised Zac Goldsmith for noticing that as the searches have gone down, knife crime has gone up.... preventing the trauma of certain people getting stopped more than once a lifetime is more important than stopping people dying apparently
    James O'Brien is, was and probably always will be a complete knob.
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    It would take a very brave Labour MP to defect to "any party'"for the sheer amount of vitriol and abuse that would come their way. I suspect most of them will "sit it out" at least for a while. Nevertheless, it must be absolutely galling for those who have sat on the backbenches for years, to see these new MPS' of only four months, get shadow front-bench jobs.
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    Roger said:

    I've never listened to the words of the anthem till now. It is indeed a load of tosh and in parts offensive. Had Corbyn had the sort of spin doctor most leaders have I'm sure they would have pointed out how inappropriate he found it insulting the Scots on an occasion like that which was why his lips didn't move. For those (like me) who haven't bothered to listen here is the offending verse

    Lord grant that Marshal Wade
    May by thy mighty aid
    Victory bring.
    May he sedition hush,
    And like a torrent rush,
    Rebellious Scots to crush.
    God save the Queen!

    The tosh is your attempt to defend him on this basis.

    That verse wasn't part of what was being sung on this (or indeed any Royal occasion)

    In no way would he have been endorsing a defunct verse by participating in communal singing of verse 1...

    (I happen to think that, as an atheist, republican, he was perfectly right not to join in - but this sort of apologist nonsense does you no credit whatsoever)
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    Betting post.For those who are in for the next Labour leader market,the 16-1 available at WH for Keir Starmer should be taken in any dutch bet alongside the value of AJ at long odds.The thing about Alan Johnson is that he has consistently said he doesn't want it or need it .I believe him .Whilst Keir Starmer's politics is in the formidable position of no political baggage or association with the Blair/Brown government.He has an open book.
    As part of the dutch spread I would also include a number of women as Labour may decide AWS should apply to the election of leader.Maybe someday Labour will choose to have a woman leader.Where's Barbara Castle when you need her?

    Note that's ''Sir Keir Starmer, KCB, QC ''
    'Sir'
    So for a start that's somebody who's not bothered about kneeling before the Queen.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited September 2015
    Roger said:

    I've never listened to the words of the anthem till now. It is indeed a load of tosh and in parts offensive. Had Corbyn had the sort of spin doctor most leaders have I'm sure they would have pointed out how inappropriate he found it insulting the Scots on an occasion like that which was why his lips didn't move. For those (like me) who haven't bothered to listen here is the offending verse

    Lord grant that Marshal Wade
    May by thy mighty aid
    Victory bring.
    May he sedition hush,
    And like a torrent rush,
    Rebellious Scots to crush.
    God save the Queen!

    Err, Roger that verse hasn't been sung for about 300 years.

    Otherwise, yes, great piece of spin.
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Seriously disappointed with the lack of post-shadcab corbyn national opinion polls thus far :( The suspense is killing me.
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    Betting post.For those who are in for the next Labour leader market,the 16-1 available at WH for Keir Starmer should be taken in any dutch bet alongside the value of AJ at long odds.The thing about Alan Johnson is that he has consistently said he doesn't want it or need it .I believe him .Whilst Keir Starmer's politics is in the formidable position of no political baggage or association with the Blair/Brown government.He has an open book.
    As part of the dutch spread I would also include a number of women as Labour may decide AWS should apply to the election of leader.Maybe someday Labour will choose to have a woman leader.Where's Barbara Castle when you need her?

    Note that's ''Sir Keir Starmer, KCB, QC ''
    'Sir'
    So for a start that's somebody who's not bothered about kneeling before the Queen.
    And he comes with plenty of baggage - both political and professional.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,917
    edited September 2015
    Betting Posts

    Conservatives to win mayoralty of London @ 6-4 (Paddy Power; Betfair Sportsbook)

    Corbyn Year of Exit 2020 @ 9-2 (SkyBet)

    Corbyn to still be leader of Labour party Jan 1st 2017 - YES ( Betvictor) 4-5
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Roger


    'I've never listened to the words of the anthem till now. It is indeed a load of tosh and in parts offensive.'


    Do try a bit harder instead of repeating what Salmond said on QT last night and pretending it was some original thought from you.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    edited September 2015
    F1: breaking, Volkswagen reportedly close to buying Red Bull:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34297046

    Edited extra bit: VW would also provide the engine.

    That's from Eddie Jordan, who is mad as a box of frogs but also got Hamilton's move to Mercedes spot on.
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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    http://www.may2015.com/category/seat-calculator/

    I know it has been done to death, but here is one of the latest forecasts for GE
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited September 2015
    Big turn out for the Loyalists in George Square today. UKIP are popular as ever in Scotland.

    https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/644898365461917696
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    F1: breaking, Volkswagen reportedly close to buying Red Bull:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34297046

    Edited extra bit: VW would also provide the engine.

    That's from Eddie Jordan, who is mad as a box of frogs but also got Hamilton's move to Mercedes spot on.

    VW is the only choice other than Ferrari, now that Morris, Riley, Wolseley, Austin, Humber, Hillman and MG are unavailable.
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    watford30 said:

    Roger said:

    I've never listened to the words of the anthem till now. It is indeed a load of tosh and in parts offensive. Had Corbyn had the sort of spin doctor most leaders have I'm sure they would have pointed out how inappropriate he found it insulting the Scots on an occasion like that which was why his lips didn't move. For those (like me) who haven't bothered to listen here is the offending verse

    Lord grant that Marshal Wade
    May by thy mighty aid
    Victory bring.
    May he sedition hush,
    And like a torrent rush,
    Rebellious Scots to crush.
    God save the Queen!

    Err, Roger that verse hasn't been sung for about 300 years.
    Plus the official delegated words of the national anthem are written on the same paper as our constitution eg there is no official national anthem words - it has evolved with various verses added on as people thought appropriate over time.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,501
    edited September 2015
    watford30 said:

    Roger said:

    I've never listened to the words of the anthem till now. It is indeed a load of tosh and in parts offensive. Had Corbyn had the sort of spin doctor most leaders have I'm sure they would have pointed out how inappropriate he found it insulting the Scots on an occasion like that which was why his lips didn't move. For those (like me) who haven't bothered to listen here is the offending verse

    Lord grant that Marshal Wade
    May by thy mighty aid
    Victory bring.
    May he sedition hush,
    And like a torrent rush,
    Rebellious Scots to crush.
    God save the Queen!

    Err, Roger that verse hasn't been sung for about 300 years.

    Otherwise, yes, great piece of spin.
    You should try the putative Scottish ones. All about waging war on the English in the 13th century. "Knaves" is quite mild.

    This is the one the Nats sing every year:

    Scots who have with Wallace bled
    Scots whom Bruce has often led
    Welcome to your gory bed
    Or to victory!

    Now's the day, and now's the hour
    See the front of battle glower
    See approach proud Edward's power
    Chains and slavery!

    Who will be a traitor knave?
    Who can fill a coward's grave?
    Who's so base to be a slave?
    Let him turn, and flee!

    Who for Scotland's King and Law
    Freedom's sword will strongly draw
    Freeman stand, or freeman fall
    Let him follow me!

    By Oppression's woes and pains
    By your sons in servile chains
    We will drain our dearest veins
    But they shall be free!

    Lay the proud usurpers low
    Tyrants fall in every foe
    Liberty's in every blow
    Let us do or die!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gnEBv4Mbmo
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited September 2015
    Dair said:

    Big turn out for the Loyalists in George Square today. UKIP are popular as ever in Scotland.

    Still, at least it looks as though they got one of the locals to kneel down in obeisance.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    JWisemann said:

    To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.

    The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.

    Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
    Tbh I think it's just that he doesn't like Rugby, and is the kind of bloke who is probably very stubborn. Apparently he's very into trains though.

    @MarqueeMark I only found learning about Spitfires and old pilots boring when I had to endure Ewan McGregor documentaries about it.
    I have come round to Jezza since I found out he was a biker. I loved my motorbikes and went on a couple of biking tours, though not the DDR. I had an MZ made in DDR once, does anyone know what bike Jezza had?
    Honda Super Blackbird ?
    Very droll.

    Che Guevara rode a Norton, but I wonder if Jezza would favour a Triumph made by the workers Co-operative at Meriden? Or maybe a Ural combination:

    http://www.imz-ural.com/

    The British motorbike industry gets better and better, but now built in Leicestershire as part of the Bloor empire. Bloor started out as a plasterer and is now a self made millionaire employing thousands and exporting all over the world. He bought the Triumph name after the Meriden Co-operative set up by Tony Benn collapsed. A tale of two industrial policies...
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    Mr. B, actually, I haven't formally ruled out buying Red Bull yet :p
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    TOPPING said:

    JWisemann said:

    To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.

    The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.

    Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
    Tbh I think it's just that he doesn't like Rugby, and is the kind of bloke who is probably very stubborn. Apparently he's very into trains though.

    @MarqueeMark I only found learning about Spitfires and old pilots boring when I had to endure Ewan McGregor documentaries about it.
    I have come round to Jezza since I found out he was a biker. I loved my motorbikes and went on a couple of biking tours, though not the DDR. I had an MZ made in DDR once, does anyone know what bike Jezza had?
    Jezza is a biker? I hope twitter doesn't find this out....

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,917
    If anyone ever finds a great gaping hole in any of my betting posts, please let me know !
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    TOPPING said:

    JWisemann said:

    To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.

    The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.

    Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
    Tbh I think it's just that he doesn't like Rugby, and is the kind of bloke who is probably very stubborn. Apparently he's very into trains though.

    @MarqueeMark I only found learning about Spitfires and old pilots boring when I had to endure Ewan McGregor documentaries about it.
    I have come round to Jezza since I found out he was a biker. I loved my motorbikes and went on a couple of biking tours, though not the DDR. I had an MZ made in DDR once, does anyone know what bike Jezza had?
    Jezza is a biker? I hope twitter doesn't find this out....

    I'm still trying to avoid thinking of Dianne Abbot in black leather.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871

    Mr. G, balderdash and tonky-talk!

    Thought that might stir you up MD.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Mr. B, actually, I haven't formally ruled out buying Red Bull yet :p

    You must drive a Triumph, the one brand I forgot. :p
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871
    Dair said:

    Big turn out for the Loyalists in George Square today. UKIP are popular as ever in Scotland.

    https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/644898365461917696

    LOL, popular as ever
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    malcolmg said:

    Hmm, colour me sceptical...

    Still, I take Don's point about dumping negatives. The two negatives which Labour most needs to dump are John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn.

    Allstar Darling -- ''I don't know what Jeremy Corbyn stands for'' (BBC)
    That is because darling is a Tory, so why would he.
    I didn't post that with a view to you making a fool of yourself (again) but we should be grateful for that anyway.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871

    At the Davis Cup fans in Glasgow cheering an Englishman. Salmond must feel ill.

    Only a very stupid Englishman could think that, luckily most are more sensible.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    So first post CNN debate poll, Trump still rising, Carson and Bush collapse, in favour of Fiorina, Rubio and Cruz.

    https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/644914344678060032/photo/1
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    Mr. G, tweak the tiger's tail and hear the thunderous roar ;)

    Speaking of being savaged, I'm off. Hope to get the pre-qualifying piece up around the usual time tomorrow. Off-chance it might be at an odd time. Have to see how things go.
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    Tim_B said:

    TOPPING said:

    JWisemann said:

    To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.

    The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.

    Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
    Tbh I think it's just that he doesn't like Rugby, and is the kind of bloke who is probably very stubborn. Apparently he's very into trains though.

    @MarqueeMark I only found learning about Spitfires and old pilots boring when I had to endure Ewan McGregor documentaries about it.
    I have come round to Jezza since I found out he was a biker. I loved my motorbikes and went on a couple of biking tours, though not the DDR. I had an MZ made in DDR once, does anyone know what bike Jezza had?
    Jezza is a biker? I hope twitter doesn't find this out....

    I'm still trying to avoid thinking of Dianne Abbot in black leather.
    She was slimmer back then, judging by some of the pictures! Though I doubt either Diane Abbott or Jezza are into leather biker gear!
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Zims

    "'I've never listened to the words of the anthem till now. It is indeed a load of tosh and in parts offensive.'


    Do try a bit harder instead of repeating what Salmond said on QT last night and pretending it was some original thought from you."

    I didn't hear Salmond's comments on QT but I did read Don Brind's piece above which you presumably didn't because that's where the thought for my post originated.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871

    malcolmg said:

    Hmm, colour me sceptical...

    Still, I take Don's point about dumping negatives. The two negatives which Labour most needs to dump are John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn.

    Allstar Darling -- ''I don't know what Jeremy Corbyn stands for'' (BBC)
    That is because darling is a Tory, so why would he.
    I didn't post that with a view to you making a fool of yourself (again) but we should be grateful for that anyway.
    You did it because you are so stupid.
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    Roger said:

    I've never listened to the words of the anthem till now. It is indeed a load of tosh and in parts offensive. Had Corbyn had the sort of spin doctor most leaders have I'm sure they would have pointed out how inappropriate he found it insulting the Scots on an occasion like that which was why his lips didn't move. For those (like me) who haven't bothered to listen here is the offending verse

    Lord grant that Marshal Wade
    May by thy mighty aid
    Victory bring.
    May he sedition hush,
    And like a torrent rush,
    Rebellious Scots to crush.
    God save the Queen!

    Wade was a great engineer, and many of his works form the basis of the Scottish road network to this day. The ones that are not can make superb walks - like the one heading southeast from Fort Augustus, or the one over Rannoch Moor to Kingshouse via Ba Bridge. (*)

    Any song that celebrates a great engineer gets my vote. If that great engineer also civilised the Scots, then so much the better. ;)

    (BTW, cannot believe you did not know about that now-unsung verse. Where have you been?)

    (*) Although his successor Caulfield actually built more.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    Did any of Corbyn's new people not tell him the Rugby World Cup is raising the profile and funds for the World Food Programme? So that is who he is snubbing by not attending....
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,501
    Pulpstar said:

    Betting Posts

    Corbyn to still be leader of Labour party Jan 1st 2017 - YES ( Betvictor) 4-5

    Also been digging.

    Ladbrokes have Corbyn to still be leader at next Election as 6-4, which an interesting alternative to that.

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/british/next-party-leaders/labour-leader-at-next-general-election/220734071/
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Tim_B said:

    TOPPING said:

    JWisemann said:

    To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.

    The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.

    Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
    Tbh I think it's just that he doesn't like Rugby, and is the kind of bloke who is probably very stubborn. Apparently he's very into trains though.

    @MarqueeMark I only found learning about Spitfires and old pilots boring when I had to endure Ewan McGregor documentaries about it.
    I have come round to Jezza since I found out he was a biker. I loved my motorbikes and went on a couple of biking tours, though not the DDR. I had an MZ made in DDR once, does anyone know what bike Jezza had?
    Jezza is a biker? I hope twitter doesn't find this out....

    I'm still trying to avoid thinking of Dianne Abbot in black leather.
    She was slimmer back then, judging by some of the pictures! Though I doubt either Diane Abbott or Jezza are into leather biker gear!
    Jezza reminds me of this fellow from Mike Leighs Nuts in May 1976:

    https://youtu.be/daEocG2dKCU

    Biker in that too (on a FZ50 as I recall!)
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