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    HopiSenHopiSen Posts: 48
    Sandpit said:

    Moses_ said:



    Doesn't the speaker take over in that situation? If they can of course. No doubt there would be a unity government as politics are placed to one side. Well there would have been but of course Corbyn is now LOTO.

    A foreign nation declares war on the UK by launching a missile that takes out Parliament during the state opening of Parliament. The monarch, Lords and Commons are all killed. We're now at war with no politicians and no monarch, who takes over?
    We always have a Monarch, and there is already in place a clear line of succession.

    At a guess elections would be called quickly, with the Monarch, Civil Service and Top Brass running things until a new Government is formed.
    We always have a monarch, so they'd be able to rule by royal prerogative and order in council.

    More specifically, the civil contingencies act 2004 would apply.

    Section 20:
    "Her Majesty may by Order in Council make emergency regulations if satisfied that the conditions in section 21 are satisfied"

    (section 21 defines what's an emergency)

    And they can cover pretty much anything:

    "Emergency regulations may make any provision which the person making the regulations is satisfied is appropriate for the purpose of preventing, controlling or mitigating an aspect or effect of the emergency in respect of which the regulations are made."

    "Emergency regulations may make provision of any kind that could be made by Act of Parliament or by the exercise of the Royal Prerogative"

    It goes into a fair bit of detail about what sort of powers you get:

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/36/section/22
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    TUD As you are obviously so brilliant in such matters perhaps you could let us all know what your solution and response would be..take your time...

    I'd say that a deterrent that doesn't deter is a fucking expensive vergeltungswaffen.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    TUD Nobody said it couldn't happen but it wouldn't happen twice..

    Yeah, that's right. A missile taking out Westminster incl. the monarch, Lords and Commons is pretty much the definition of a one-off event, unless you think the twin towers can be hit again?
    Maybe once every 400 years or so, it can.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    John_M said:

    weejonnie said:

    Dair said:

    This is just hilarious on so many levels.

    https://twitter.com/OliverCooper/status/655367395922546689

    It's only hilarious if you think that UKIP supporters are swivel eyed racist little Englanders. UKIP supporters are in favour of a merit-based immigration system rather than the current European racist one.
    Was not this the Thai woman that the kipper Atkinson made the ting tong remark about? I did not think they were in UKIP any more.
    Yes, because one remark by a UKIP member tarnishes the entire UKIP brand. Of course, how proportionate.
    There has been more than one remark, from various kippers. But my suggestion was he was not in UKIP anymore. The other point about a ukip supporter emigrating to the country of his foreign born wife is also an interesting one.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    TUD As you are obviously so brilliant in such matters perhaps you could let us all know what your solution and response would be..take your time...

    I'd say that a deterrent that doesn't deter is a fucking expensive vergeltungswaffen.
    Tricky thing to test though, would we still be around if we didn't have Trident/Polaris? Probably, but we'll never know.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Scott_P said:

    @afneil: 101 economics for numpties, including Mr Wings from Bath: TME not DEL is measure of total spending.

    @DrScottThinks: Today @afneil toasted @AngusRobertson & then went on to roast @WingsScotland when he tried to defend him. #Awkward http://t.co/E45mArpZ8H

    DEL??
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,322
    I'm afraid an underlying point is that quite a few people think that it'd be fine to be run by the Armed Forces - they'd sort stuff out, get rid of those corrupt politicians, etc. It closely mirrors an American poll last month - from memory, that said 25% would support a military coup, rising to 41% if the President was attempting to change the Constitution.

    Greece tried it for a while, of course. After a few years, people grumbled increasingly about the corrupt, useless generals, in exactly the same way as they had before about the politicians, and in the end the generals threw up their hands and gave up voluntarily. That's why there was never serious discussion of a coup during the recent travails there - people had been there, got the T-shirt, and didn't fancy a revisit.

    It's also an example of the caution to be applied to surveys of hypothetical situations which people haven't really thought about - Would you like to be governed by President Xi? Would you agree to travel on a one-way trip to Mars? Would you go and live in North Korea for £1 million? I bet you'd get people saying yes to all of those.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    edited October 2015
    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @afneil: 101 economics for numpties, including Mr Wings from Bath: TME not DEL is measure of total spending.

    @DrScottThinks: Today @afneil toasted @AngusRobertson & then went on to roast @WingsScotland when he tried to defend him. #Awkward http://t.co/E45mArpZ8H

    DEL??
    Departmental Expenditure Limits, edit: I assumed you knew Total Managed Expenditure (at least that's what I think it is!)
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    TUD Great answer .. except it does not address the problem .. what would you do..assuming of course that some rogue state is insane enough to try that route..thus far the deterrent seems to be working..
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    TUD As you are obviously so brilliant in such matters perhaps you could let us all know what your solution and response would be..take your time...

    I'd say that a deterrent that doesn't deter is a fucking expensive vergeltungswaffen.
    Just a reminder... Your none deterrence is referring to a rather abstruse thought experiment. That is, a fantasy .
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,138
    Outrageous.

    That is all.
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @afneil: 101 economics for numpties, including Mr Wings from Bath: TME not DEL is measure of total spending.

    @DrScottThinks: Today @afneil toasted @AngusRobertson & then went on to roast @WingsScotland when he tried to defend him. #Awkward http://t.co/E45mArpZ8H

    DEL??
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending#departmental-expenditure-limits-del
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    RobD said:

    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @afneil: 101 economics for numpties, including Mr Wings from Bath: TME not DEL is measure of total spending.

    @DrScottThinks: Today @afneil toasted @AngusRobertson & then went on to roast @WingsScotland when he tried to defend him. #Awkward http://t.co/E45mArpZ8H

    DEL??
    Departmental Expenditure Limits, edit: I assumed you knew Total Managed Expenditure (at least that's what I think it is!)
    Yes, re TME. Thanks
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,138

    DavidL said:

    Remind me, these southern hemisphere jonnies are supposed to be difficult, yes?

    Not content with cursing countless promising test match innings, DavidL now chooses to destroy Scotland's chances in the rugby ;-)

    Just enjoying the moment SO. I can't really believe we are going to do this and it really doesn't help when the referee is a muppet.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,322
    Swiss results coming in - gains by the centre-right FDP and the anti-immigrant SVP, mostly at the expense of the centrist "green liberal" party. These often just reverse the gains made by the green liberals at their expense last time round so shouldn't be exaggerated, but refugees topped the list of issues in Swiss polls and it does reflect that. The socialists seem broadly unchanged so far, slightly up in cities and slightly down outside.
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    So if BoJo becomes PM then 5% of people (22% x 25%) would support an armed forces coup? This is less than I might have expected given the recent vitriol directed at the Tories. And, in any case, how do you support an armed coup - is there a Twittergun I don't know about?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,921
    JEO said:

    "The President is dead--and the weight, literally, of the world falls on Jack Ryan's shoulders, in Tom Clancy's newest and most extraordinary novel."

    If the weight of the world literally fell on Jack Ryan's shoulders, I imagine it would be a fairly short book.
    That book's where Clancy started jumping the shark with the Jack Ryan world IMO. Having him as president stopped Ryan being an everyman character, and also reduced the amount of storylines he could have action in. Hence the reliance on Jack Ryan Jr and Clark in later stories. Although perhaps Ryan Snr was getting to the age where he could legitimately be played by Harrison Ford. :)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,579
    RobD said:

    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @afneil: 101 economics for numpties, including Mr Wings from Bath: TME not DEL is measure of total spending.

    @DrScottThinks: Today @afneil toasted @AngusRobertson & then went on to roast @WingsScotland when he tried to defend him. #Awkward http://t.co/E45mArpZ8H

    DEL??
    Departmental Expenditure Limits, edit: I assumed you knew Total Managed Expenditure (at least that's what I think it is!)
    Handy explanation

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending

    Neil 1:0 Bath
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    RobD said:

    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @afneil: 101 economics for numpties, including Mr Wings from Bath: TME not DEL is measure of total spending.

    @DrScottThinks: Today @afneil toasted @AngusRobertson & then went on to roast @WingsScotland when he tried to defend him. #Awkward http://t.co/E45mArpZ8H

    DEL??
    Departmental Expenditure Limits, edit: I assumed you knew Total Managed Expenditure (at least that's what I think it is!)
    Handy explanation

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending

    Neil 1:0 Bath
    Westminster lies.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    thanks
    JEO said:

    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @afneil: 101 economics for numpties, including Mr Wings from Bath: TME not DEL is measure of total spending.

    @DrScottThinks: Today @afneil toasted @AngusRobertson & then went on to roast @WingsScotland when he tried to defend him. #Awkward http://t.co/E45mArpZ8H

    DEL??
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending#departmental-expenditure-limits-del
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Looking more and more like New Zealand's world cup.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited October 2015
    Roger said:

    "44% of Ukip voters tell YouGov that they can envisage situations when they'd support armed forces coup in UK"

    Could any UKIPer out there please come and defend your barking supporters......

    You are purely puerile, Roger. Unfortunately Britain doesn't have an army that could mount a coup against Surry Council, let alone the British government. :(
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    I called a Scotland victory earlier on.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    The ref just ruined the game.

    Tho, to be fair, Australia were always going to win.

    Hey? Scotland are only 1 point behind at the moment.
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    I called a Scotland victory earlier on.

    What on earth for?
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    Angry Salmond ‏@AngrySalmond 44 secs45 seconds ago
    The dream shall never die, motherfucker! #SCO #SCOvAUS #AsOne #AUS
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Swiss results coming in - gains by the centre-right FDP and the anti-immigrant SVP, mostly at the expense of the centrist "green liberal" party. These often just reverse the gains made by the green liberals at their expense last time round so shouldn't be exaggerated, but refugees topped the list of issues in Swiss polls and it does reflect that. The socialists seem broadly unchanged so far, slightly up in cities and slightly down outside.

    Do you have a link to the incoming results page? Thanks in advance.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Oh those wonderful EU leaders: they will be the death of us yet.

    David Jones ‏@DavidJo52951945 2h2 hours ago
    Merkel is ready for Turkey to join EU & wants to start this year http://www.todayonline.com/world/merkel-says-ready-support-turkey-eu-accession-process
    David Cameron supports it http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11283924/David-Cameron-I-still-want-Turkey-to-join-EU-despite-migrant-fears.html
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    I called a Scotland victory earlier on.

    What on earth for?
    I felt it in my waters.

    Scotland have a decent performance once every 25 years, and were due one.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,818
    TGOHF said:

    I find it totes amazeballs that a poll like was needed to be/was commissioned.

    I find the results of this poll equally totes amazeballs.

    But the Ireland v Argentina rugby is even more totes amazeballs.

    Over you to Scotland to stop an all Southern Hemisphere semis.

    You do realise who Scotland are playing?? Make no mistake - I hope Scotland win. It will be hilarious to watch the Aussie reaction. But do we expect Scotland to be able to score a try?
    I wouldn't be surprised to see the Aussies put 50 points on them.
    14 point handicap is a joke. Scotland haven't played anyone decent bar Saffers who pounded them.
    Ha Ha Ha , usual toom tabard pretendy Scot and a nasty Tory
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Aussie stand off having a nightmare. Having pointed out the Aussie defensive strength, they have given away 2 shocking tries. Win lose or draw the Aussie recriminations will be wonderful to behold.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,818
    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @afneil: 101 economics for numpties, including Mr Wings from Bath: TME not DEL is measure of total spending.

    @DrScottThinks: Today @afneil toasted @AngusRobertson & then went on to roast @WingsScotland when he tried to defend him. #Awkward http://t.co/E45mArpZ8H

    DEL??
    No point asking turnip head , he can only copy and paste tweets.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,818

    RobD said:

    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @afneil: 101 economics for numpties, including Mr Wings from Bath: TME not DEL is measure of total spending.

    @DrScottThinks: Today @afneil toasted @AngusRobertson & then went on to roast @WingsScotland when he tried to defend him. #Awkward http://t.co/E45mArpZ8H

    DEL??
    Departmental Expenditure Limits, edit: I assumed you knew Total Managed Expenditure (at least that's what I think it is!)
    Handy explanation

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending

    Neil 1:0 Bath
    ie they do not count real money , just made up funny money
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,957

    Swiss results coming in - gains by the centre-right FDP and the anti-immigrant SVP, mostly at the expense of the centrist "green liberal" party. These often just reverse the gains made by the green liberals at their expense last time round so shouldn't be exaggerated, but refugees topped the list of issues in Swiss polls and it does reflect that. The socialists seem broadly unchanged so far, slightly up in cities and slightly down outside.

    Kudos for trying to get interest in the Swiss election in the middle of a RWC quarter final
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The BBC's Europe news page is useless. It doesn't seem to have anything on the Swiss election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/europe
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    William_HWilliam_H Posts: 346

    Mortimer said:

    Out of the last three, surely Sir John Major would be the natural choice if an emergency PM was required....

    In current circumstances, yes. Had Labour a majority then Blair would be a better choice.
    Major is probably more popular among Labour supporters
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    Get in!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,957
    Scotland try!!
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Wow.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,818
    yahoo.. where is flash harry now the creep
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    10/1 they were with SkyBet
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    William_H said:

    Mortimer said:

    Out of the last three, surely Sir John Major would be the natural choice if an emergency PM was required....

    In current circumstances, yes. Had Labour a majority then Blair would be a better choice.
    Major is probably more popular among Labour supporters
    That may well be true but I think the authorities would try to keep some kind of democratic mandate in the appointment. In this kind of scenario, the parties would be leaderless too.
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    SeanT said:

    10/1 they were with SkyBet

    If they win you become Official PB Prognosticator of the Year.
    This match is making me feel sick with anxiety, I can't imagine what Scottish fans are going through.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,299
    edited October 2015
    Feck it!!

    Oz pen
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,957
    Penalty Oz
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Damn.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Well done Scotland.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,957
    Oz win at the death, bad luck Scotland. However Australia are certainly vulnerable to Argentina next week
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,579
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @afneil: 101 economics for numpties, including Mr Wings from Bath: TME not DEL is measure of total spending.

    @DrScottThinks: Today @afneil toasted @AngusRobertson & then went on to roast @WingsScotland when he tried to defend him. #Awkward http://t.co/E45mArpZ8H

    DEL??
    Departmental Expenditure Limits, edit: I assumed you knew Total Managed Expenditure (at least that's what I think it is!)
    Handy explanation

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending

    Neil 1:0 Bath
    ie they do not count real money , just made up funny money
    Its not Westminster's fault Holyrood doesn't spend all the money it gives it.....
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,664
    Wasn't going to post today, but...fuck, that's harsh on them, particularly given the yellow card that wasn't. Cruel stuff.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    When did accidental offside become a penalty and not a scrum?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,970
    Good evening, everyone.

    Mr. kle4, my thoughts exactly. Scotland played tremendously well. It was the only quarter final I thought would be a walkover (for Australia) and they deserved to win it.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Tough for Scotland, but they can go out proud.

    Unlike England.

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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,818

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @afneil: 101 economics for numpties, including Mr Wings from Bath: TME not DEL is measure of total spending.

    @DrScottThinks: Today @afneil toasted @AngusRobertson & then went on to roast @WingsScotland when he tried to defend him. #Awkward http://t.co/E45mArpZ8H

    DEL??
    Departmental Expenditure Limits, edit: I assumed you knew Total Managed Expenditure (at least that's what I think it is!)
    Handy explanation

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending

    Neil 1:0 Bath
    ie they do not count real money , just made up funny money
    Its not Westminster's fault Holyrood doesn't spend all the money it gives it.....
    Don't talk mince, there was a small contingency amount that is carried forward, bit better than Westminster -100+ Billion.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    The cheating ref is trending on twitter.

    Too many questionable decisions. Probably not bought, probably RFU wanting Australia to stay in their failing tournament.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    New Zealand will cream cracker the Aussies if they play like that in the final.

    NZ vs South Africa probably decides the winner.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    kle4 said:

    Wasn't going to post today, but...fuck, that's harsh on them, particularly given the yellow card that wasn't. Cruel stuff.

    Ludicrous reffing.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548


    Tough for Scotland, but they can go out proud.

    Unlike England.

    If we leave the EU does it trigger a rematch?
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    Dair said:

    When did accidental offside become a penalty and not a scrum?

    About five minutes ago apparently. Sadly. The "deliberate" knock on was nuts too.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Dair said:

    The cheating ref is trending on twitter.

    Too many questionable decisions. Probably not bought, probably RFU wanting Australia to stay in their failing tournament.

    Oh Dair. Not everything is conspiracy. Some things are just tragedy.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,579
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @afneil: 101 economics for numpties, including Mr Wings from Bath: TME not DEL is measure of total spending.

    @DrScottThinks: Today @afneil toasted @AngusRobertson & then went on to roast @WingsScotland when he tried to defend him. #Awkward http://t.co/E45mArpZ8H

    DEL??
    Departmental Expenditure Limits, edit: I assumed you knew Total Managed Expenditure (at least that's what I think it is!)
    Handy explanation

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending

    Neil 1:0 Bath
    ie they do not count real money , just made up funny money
    Its not Westminster's fault Holyrood doesn't spend all the money it gives it.....
    Don't talk mince, there was a small contingency amount that is carried forward, bit better than Westminster -100+ Billion.
    It's Wings over Somerset that's talking mince:

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/a-failure-of-briefing/

    Just says "lies" rather than get into TME......
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Good evening, everyone.

    Mr. kle4, my thoughts exactly. Scotland played tremendously well. It was the only quarter final I thought would be a walkover (for Australia) and they deserved to win it.

    Australia kicked terribly and gifted at least two of the Scottish tries so for that they deserved to lose it. But they still scored 5 tries themselves. In other words the opposite of what I predicted. And ironic that a goal kick gave it to Australia in the end. And a dubious penalty!!
    The other thing which was unlucky for Scotland was the sin binning for a deliberate knock on. Terrible rule.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    I'm calling it now, Wales will be represented in the final.

    Nigel Owens is a cut above the other refs.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    Dair said:

    The cheating ref is trending on twitter.

    Too many questionable decisions. Probably not bought, probably RFU wanting Australia to stay in their failing tournament.

    Lol - it must have been ttttthhhhhaaaatttttcccchhhhheeeerrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,827
    I see Lab. say they will reverse tax credit cuts.

    Not sure I agree.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903

    I see Lab. say they will reverse tax credit cuts.

    Not sure I agree.

    o_O You're in favour of tax credit cuts ?
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,322
    HYUFD said:



    Kudos for trying to get interest in the Swiss election in the middle of a RWC quarter final

    A what? #differentworlds

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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited October 2015
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited October 2015
    @JosiasJessop OT Ages ago we discussed magicians and you recommended a docu about Randi - just seen it and it's FAB.

    I love illusionists and Randi is my kinda guy. I've seen some stunning performers in Vegas and just wish I had the personality to be hypnotised/duped. I don't, so just have to see others seduced by it. I did see a stage hypo man who failed epically on America's Got Talent - he did a great job on his first appearance with a germophobe judge - then failed totally with other panellists and walked off.

    Derren Brown can't be beaten IMO. A genuine talent.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,970
    Mr. T, agree. Every quarter final has been memorable.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Scott_P said:

    @tamcohen: Ireland v Argentina. I wonder which side Jeremy Corbyn's supporting...?

    LOL - But rather telling all the same
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    Dair said:

    The cheating ref is trending on twitter.

    Too many questionable decisions. Probably not bought, probably RFU wanting Australia to stay in their failing tournament.

    Know how you are feeling.

    I still haven't got over the bent ref at Chelsea when Barcelona knocked us out of the CL. Still think it was a Platini/EUFA conspiracy as they didn't want two English teams in the final at Wembley.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,957
    Petition now circulating to ban Craig Joubert from Scotland for life
    https://www.change.org/p/the-people-of-scotland-ban-craig-joubert-from-scotland-for-life?
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    BREAKING PHOTOS: At least 6 injured in shooting attack by Arab terrorists in Beer Sheva central bus station. pic.twitter.com/bqpEZtN0K9

    — Israel News Feed (@IsraelHatzolah) October 18, 2015
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    SeanT said:

    I cannot remember a weekend of similar sporting drama from any other tournament in any sport. Four classic matches, one sublime masterclass from the All Blacks.

    Your avvin a laff. But RU is not my favourite sport, so I'm biased. If you knew anything you would see that the game has changed almost beyond recognition to be much more RL like (albeit c1968) since the rules on rucks and mauls were changed. This itself was as a result of the competition from RL in the southern hemisphere.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,827
    Pulpstar said:

    I see Lab. say they will reverse tax credit cuts.

    Not sure I agree.

    o_O You're in favour of tax credit cuts ?
    I agree with getting rid of them at the same speed that wages rise.

    The employer subsidy that tax credits have become are too expensive.

    The mistake the Government makes is to think that they can cut them well before any rises in wages kick in.

    I am even more in favour of getting rid of the triple lock on Pensions, should be linked to inflation, thats the maximum the country can afford.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    HYUFD said:

    Petition now circulating to ban Craig Joubert from Scotland for life
    https://www.change.org/p/the-people-of-scotland-ban-craig-joubert-from-scotland-for-life?

    Set the spitteratzi on him.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,957

    HYUFD said:

    Petition now circulating to ban Craig Joubert from Scotland for life
    https://www.change.org/p/the-people-of-scotland-ban-craig-joubert-from-scotland-for-life?

    Set the spitteratzi on him.
    Yes am not sure he knows what is going to hit him
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    Pulpstar said:

    I see Lab. say they will reverse tax credit cuts.

    Not sure I agree.

    o_O You're in favour of tax credit cuts ?
    I agree with getting rid of them at the same speed that wages rise.

    The employer subsidy that tax credits have become are too expensive.

    The mistake the Government makes is to think that they can cut them well before any rises in wages kick in.

    I am even more in favour of getting rid of the triple lock on Pensions, should be linked to inflation, thats the maximum the country can afford.
    Says someone with a gold plated NHS pension.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    edited October 2015
    Just out of interest has Corbyn had anything to say about recent events in Israel?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,957

    HYUFD said:



    Kudos for trying to get interest in the Swiss election in the middle of a RWC quarter final

    A what? #differentworlds

    Meanwhile in Geneva the tension mounts....
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    Sorry to see Scotland lose today. It was their best performance for years. Still trying to work out how the Aussie who charged the Scots full back was still on the pitch at the end.
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    MrsBMrsB Posts: 574
    Scotland were robbed by a silly decision just as England were robbed at the cricket yesterday by a silly decision on bad light when the flood lights were on, there were 8 overs left and only 25 runs needed.

    As for the 44% of UKIP voters who can imagine a coup, maybe they are wishfully thinking of the right wing dictatorships in Portugal*, Spain and Greece in 1950 - 1970s era; or maybe remembering Rhodesia.....

    * yes I know the military overthrew the dictatorship in 1974 so the coup in Portugal military in a good way which is why I used the word dictatorship
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JamieRoss7: Amazing. If you google Craig Joubert his bio now says that he hates Scotland. https://t.co/ninDCCDGx1 http://t.co/36agHEYomA
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    Ali Macdonald ‏@Ali_Macdonald 4m4 minutes ago
    @policescotland I'd like to report a crime please, I've just witnessed a South African rob 15 Scots at Twickenham. #Joubert #RWC

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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Scotland lost...again..habit forming..
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    Made a note in my diary on the way over here.
    Simply says "Fucking Bastard"
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,827

    Pulpstar said:

    I see Lab. say they will reverse tax credit cuts.

    Not sure I agree.

    o_O You're in favour of tax credit cuts ?
    I agree with getting rid of them at the same speed that wages rise.

    The employer subsidy that tax credits have become are too expensive.

    The mistake the Government makes is to think that they can cut them well before any rises in wages kick in.

    I am even more in favour of getting rid of the triple lock on Pensions, should be linked to inflation, thats the maximum the country can afford.
    Says someone with a gold plated NHS pension.
    You want higher tax credits and Pensions do you?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,970
    Mr. Eh, there there, Darling.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124

    I see Lab. say they will reverse tax credit cuts.

    Not sure I agree.

    Good on you - but you do realise you're in danger of being labelled a 'red Tory' or 'Tory scum'.

    :)
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    I see Lab. say they will reverse tax credit cuts.

    Not sure I agree.

    You're right: they won't.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,970
    Mr. Felix, Mr. Owls is simply taking a phlegmatic view of things.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124

    Mr. Felix, Mr. Owls is simply taking a phlegmatic view of things.

    Thst's what happens when the humors are out of sync - he needs to get his sinuses sorted!
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    MrsB said:



    As for the 44% of UKIP voters who can imagine a coup, maybe they are wishfully thinking of the right wing dictatorships in Portugal*, Spain and Greece in 1950 - 1970s era; or maybe remembering Rhodesia.....

    * yes I know the military overthrew the dictatorship in 1974 so the coup in Portugal military in a good way which is why I used the word dictatorship

    Those were the good old days.

    I note most Tories would support armed intervention if the UK became a Republic.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,827

    I see Lab. say they will reverse tax credit cuts.

    Not sure I agree.

    You're right: they won't.
    It will clearly be impossible and unaffordable to reverse them by 2020 IMO.

    Still think its time to share the pain of benefit cuts with OAPs.

    Then we will see how popular the Welfare State is or isn't

    Its ridiculous to increase pensions by 2.5% in a period of deflation IMO
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    I blame DavidL.

    The subjectivity in applying the laws is a big flaw in rugby union. The identity of the ref is too important. South Africans always have it in for the Brits. The ref in the 2003 final tried very hard to give the game to the Australians.

    From memory there are something like 20,000 registered rugby players in Scotland, so to put in a performance like that was truly magnificent. Maybe it will provide a shot in the arm to the game in the Borders. That would be fantastic as it was so recently one of the world's great rugby areas.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @afneil: 101 economics for numpties, including Mr Wings from Bath: TME not DEL is measure of total spending.

    @DrScottThinks: Today @afneil toasted @AngusRobertson & then went on to roast @WingsScotland when he tried to defend him. #Awkward http://t.co/E45mArpZ8H

    DEL??
    Departmental Expenditure Limits, edit: I assumed you knew Total Managed Expenditure (at least that's what I think it is!)
    Handy explanation

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending/how-to-understand-public-sector-spending

    Neil 1:0 Bath
    ie they do not count real money , just made up funny money
    Its not Westminster's fault Holyrood doesn't spend all the money it gives it.....
    Don't talk mince, there was a small contingency amount that is carried forward, bit better than Westminster -100+ Billion.
    Because Holyrood must run a surplus, by law.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124

    Pulpstar said:

    I see Lab. say they will reverse tax credit cuts.

    Not sure I agree.

    o_O You're in favour of tax credit cuts ?
    I agree with getting rid of them at the same speed that wages rise.

    The employer subsidy that tax credits have become are too expensive.

    The mistake the Government makes is to think that they can cut them well before any rises in wages kick in.

    I am even more in favour of getting rid of the triple lock on Pensions, should be linked to inflation, thats the maximum the country can afford.
    Says someone with a gold plated NHS pension.
    I think the point on pensions is fair - we've had an incredibly good run since 2010 compared to the public at large.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,827

    I see Lab. say they will reverse tax credit cuts.

    Not sure I agree.

    You're right: they won't.
    It will clearly be impossible and unaffordable to reverse them by 2020 IMO.

    Still think its time to share the pain of benefit cuts with OAPs.

    Then we will see how popular the Welfare State is or isn't

    Its ridiculous to increase pensions by 2.5% in a period of deflation and austerity IMO
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