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Tottington on Bury (Lab defence)
Result of council at last election (2015): Labour 35, Conservatives 12, Independents 2, Liberal Democrats 2 (Labour majority of 19)
Result of ward at last election (2012): Labour 1,085 (42%), Conservative 965 (38%), United Kingdom Independence Party 379 (15%), Liberal Democrat 135 (5%)
Candidates duly nominated:

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  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 8,925
    first.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,586
    Seconded!
  • douglas
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I woz robbed
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,586

    I woz robbed

    Time for an independent judge-led inquiry?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Holy Moly
    Desperate Slovenia brings out the tanks to deal with migrant arrivals as 12,000 enter the country in 24 hours

    Slovenia brought in tanks and riot police to help control arrival of migrants
    Tens of thousands have been crossing into Slovenia from Croatia, Hungary
    Arrivals began on Friday when Hungary shut its entire border with Croatia
    Migrants clashed with police on Slovenian border where man was stabbed

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3285054/Desperate-Slovenia-brings-tanks-deal-migrant-arrivals-12-000-enter-country-24-hours.html#ixzz3pKaUBKrW
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 13,975
    Just a quick comment to express my continued admiration for these Thursday night threads: informative, well-written and nicely entertaining. Thanks.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,586

    Just a quick comment to express my continued admiration for these Thursday night threads: informative, well-written and nicely entertaining. Thanks.

    I'd second that. Big effort by Harry to get these done.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :+1:

    Just a quick comment to express my continued admiration for these Thursday night threads: informative, well-written and nicely entertaining. Thanks.

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 8,925

    Just a quick comment to express my continued admiration for these Thursday night threads: informative, well-written and nicely entertaining. Thanks.

    I agree.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    RobD said:

    I'd second that. Big effort by Harry to get these done.
    :+1: :+1:
  • Just a quick comment to express my continued admiration for these Thursday night threads: informative, well-written and nicely entertaining. Thanks.

    Agreed. Thanks for all your work Harry.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 8,197
    edited October 2015
    Anyone who goes over the top and pens an article definitely deserves thanks from those of us who lurk down here in the trenches.

    Thanks Harry.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    The Chandlers Ford division is a bit of a misnomer as it is basically the two Hiltingbury borough wards . It is also part of Winchester parliamentary seat not Eastleigh . The Conservative candidate is an Eastleigh borough councillor for one of the Hiltingbury wards .
    It will be a big surprise if the Lib Dems gain this .
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,586
    Jonathan said:

    Anyone who goes over the top and pens an article definitely deserves the thanks of us who luck down here in the trenches.

    Thanks Harry.

    To be fair to the rest of us mortals, it is made slightly easier by the utterly fascinating and exciting subject material :D
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Didn't you pen one or two in the distant past too?

    I did one years ago.
    Jonathan said:

    Anyone who goes over the top and pens an article definitely deserves thanks from those of us who lurk down here in the trenches.

    Thanks Harry.

  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 7,470
    edited October 2015
    I expect a LibDem collapse in Colchester, to mirror the GE. No fight back yet. Could even be down from 10% in Dedham...
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    FPT @SimonStClare re #EVEL - have you seen the ogling at Trudeau? He's yummy.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    FPT

    "Shooting and fishing are the only true social levellers. You can be fishing or shooting beside a farmer, a binman or a Lord."

    I would beg to add Freemasonry to the list. One can sit down to dinner with a Duke of the Blood on one side and a taxi driver on the other and all get pissed together without side or distinction.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 8,197

    Didn't you pen one or two in the distant past too?

    I did one years ago.

    Jonathan said:

    Anyone who goes over the top and pens an article definitely deserves thanks from those of us who lurk down here in the trenches.

    Thanks Harry.

    I did one every Sunday night for about 6 months back in 2010/11. It was hard work. When I look some of it was quite naive, but I am glad I did it. One article got to be the most read article that day, beating the Sunday papers thanks to Mike's unique site. Quite cool.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/01/23/is-this-the-age-of-the-spads/




  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 19,974

    FPT

    "Shooting and fishing are the only true social levellers. You can be fishing or shooting beside a farmer, a binman or a Lord."

    I would beg to add Freemasonry to the list. One can sit down to dinner with a Duke of the Blood on one side and a taxi driver on the other and all get pissed together without side or distinction.

    Hmmm. I think Freemasonry excludes itself. I could buy fishing tackle, pay the rights owner, and fish. I could buy ((or borrow) a gun and go on a shoot. I'm not sure I'd know how to become a Freemason, and I'm fairly certain they wouldn't have me if I tried.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited October 2015

    FPT @SimonStClare re #EVEL - have you seen the ogling at Trudeau? He's yummy.

    No, is there a hashtag? – For research purposes only of course :lol:
  • isamisam Posts: 24,352
    @JosiasJessop

    Re gambling being a social leveller, I worked for a spread betting firm in London for almost a decade, and the range of people there was v diverse

    A Head boy at Eton, a prime ministers grandson, various Marlborough, Oxford and Cambridge types, but plenty of non university educated Essex boys, northern monkeys etc too.. I found it great fun mixing with the kind of people id never met before
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I remember that one. I enjoyed them a lot more than Mr Brind's efforts.

    @JackW had an Against The Grain meme too that provoked some great threads.
    Jonathan said:

    Didn't you pen one or two in the distant past too?

    I did one years ago.

    Jonathan said:

    Anyone who goes over the top and pens an article definitely deserves thanks from those of us who lurk down here in the trenches.

    Thanks Harry.

    I did one every Sunday night for about 6 months back in 2010/11. It was hard work. When I look some of it was quite naive, but I am glad I did it. One article got to be the most read article that day, beating the Sunday papers thanks to Mike's unique site. Quite cool.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/01/23/is-this-the-age-of-the-spads/




  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 19,974
    isam said:

    @JosiasJessop

    Re gambling being a social leveller, I worked for a spread betting firm in London for almost a decade, and the range of people there was v diverse

    A Head boy at Eton, a prime ministers grandson, various Marlborough, Oxford and Cambridge types, but plenty of non university educated Essex boys, northern monkeys etc too.. I found it great fun mixing with the kind of people id never met before

    Fair enough.

    I bet the same could be said for coke addicts as well. Fishing, shooting, gambling, freemasonry and hard drugs. Any other candidates?

    And has anyone done all of them? SeanT? ;)
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=news&q=trudeau hot&src=rela

    FPT @SimonStClare re #EVEL - have you seen the ogling at Trudeau? He's yummy.

    No, is there a hashtag? – For research purposes only of course :lol:
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    FPT

    "Shooting and fishing are the only true social levellers. You can be fishing or shooting beside a farmer, a binman or a Lord."

    I would beg to add Freemasonry to the list. One can sit down to dinner with a Duke of the Blood on one side and a taxi driver on the other and all get pissed together without side or distinction.

    Hmmm. I think Freemasonry excludes itself. I could buy fishing tackle, pay the rights owner, and fish. I could buy ((or borrow) a gun and go on a shoot. I'm not sure I'd know how to become a Freemason, and I'm fairly certain they wouldn't have me if I tried.
    Nah, its the same as shooting and fishing, you can't just volunteer to shoot on someone's land or fish in someone's river. You have to join a club one way or another, at least to get the best fishing/shooting.

    Why you think that FreeMasonry wouldn't have you I have no idea, unless you have particularly disgusting table manners.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    FPT

    "Shooting and fishing are the only true social levellers. You can be fishing or shooting beside a farmer, a binman or a Lord."

    I would beg to add Freemasonry to the list. One can sit down to dinner with a Duke of the Blood on one side and a taxi driver on the other and all get pissed together without side or distinction.

    Hmmm. I think Freemasonry excludes itself. I could buy fishing tackle, pay the rights owner, and fish. I could buy ((or borrow) a gun and go on a shoot. I'm not sure I'd know how to become a Freemason, and I'm fairly certain they wouldn't have me if I tried.
    I know an awful lot of working class Freemasons. Although I think it has more to do with the profession they work in than anything else.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,383
    I love Peter Wishart's logical difficulty: bitterly opposing EVEL whilst arguing that it's "the one thing likely to lead to independence"! I imagine all these angry Nats are actually delighted.

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I don't think Philip Collins likes Seumas Milne very much

    The three hate-ideas of the idiot savant left are capitalism, imperialism and America, or CIA for short - http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4593667.ece
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,517

    I love Peter Wishart's logical difficulty: bitterly opposing EVEL whilst arguing that it's "the one thing likely to lead to independence"! I imagine all these angry Nats are actually delighted.

    The timing is fascinating

    If it had happened last week the SNP conference would have completely overtaken by IndyRef2

    Now the zoomers are demanding it on Twitter; meanwhile...
    The SNP are well aware that the current economics of independence make another referendum unwinnable.

    It’s the main reason they’re in no rush to have one.
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/how-economy-remains-obstacle-second-6685837
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 5,620
    edited October 2015

    I expect a LibDem collapse in Colchester, to mirror the GE. No fight back yet. Could even be down from 10% in Dedham...

    The Lib Dem councillors in my area of Colchester are working quite hard for us here.

    I must admit I voted Conservative at the election (a very hard decision due to work Sir Bob did for us a couple of years back)

    Interestingly the conservatives in our patch have copied the tactic and are also getting involved.

    Never lived in an area with this level of engagement from councillors before.

    Next time my patch comes up for a (council) vote the Lib Dem gets my vote
  • FPT

    "Shooting and fishing are the only true social levellers. You can be fishing or shooting beside a farmer, a binman or a Lord."

    I would beg to add Freemasonry to the list. One can sit down to dinner with a Duke of the Blood on one side and a taxi driver on the other and all get pissed together without side or distinction.

    Hmmm. I think Freemasonry excludes itself. I could buy fishing tackle, pay the rights owner, and fish. I could buy ((or borrow) a gun and go on a shoot. I'm not sure I'd know how to become a Freemason, and I'm fairly certain they wouldn't have me if I tried.
    I worked with a guy who was a freemason when I was about 19.
    He told me quite a bit about their rituals etc.
    I asked half jokingly if I could join.
    His reply was 'I don't think that you would take it seriously enough'
    Not a bad judge of character tbh.

  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 6,664

    isam said:

    @JosiasJessop

    Re gambling being a social leveller, I worked for a spread betting firm in London for almost a decade, and the range of people there was v diverse

    A Head boy at Eton, a prime ministers grandson, various Marlborough, Oxford and Cambridge types, but plenty of non university educated Essex boys, northern monkeys etc too.. I found it great fun mixing with the kind of people id never met before

    Fair enough.

    I bet the same could be said for coke addicts as well. Fishing, shooting, gambling, freemasonry and hard drugs. Any other candidates?

    And has anyone done all of them? SeanT? ;)
    I imagine death is the greatest - can't imagine social differences mean much on a terminal cancer ward.
  • isamisam Posts: 24,352
    edited October 2015
    Horrific story

    Attacker posed for pictures with kids before killing teacher and a pupil

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,517
    @feedthedrummer: Notice it is only SNP MPs the National think are second class. Hell of an endorsement of @IanMurrayMP if you ask me. https://t.co/vo07TG4lic
  • Scott_P said:

    @feedthedrummer: Notice it is only SNP MPs the National think are second class. Hell of an endorsement of @IanMurrayMP if you ask me. https://t.co/vo07TG4lic

    He's third class along with Mundane and fat Al.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,517

    He's third class along with Mundane and fat Al.

    Not according to the American owned, English published, SNP propaganda rag, the Nat onal
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 6,241
    Let me get this clear - EVEL stands for English VETO for English Laws?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,075
    Meanwhile, in another universe, Hillary is still testifying. I doubt it'll be a ratings sweep for CNN or msnbc.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    Isn’t it about time the SNP started investigating those in their ranks who are behind the worst abuses, and, if they are revealed to be members‎, start expelling them or at least issuing meaningful warnings. Isn’t proper action by Nicola Sturgeon – who is much more reasonable and sensible than the ego-maniac Alex Salmond – overdue, to clean up her party?

    This problem now cuts across party or ideological lines, threatening basic freedoms and eroding civic norms that were taken for granted until the madness and bitterness of the referendum period.
    http://www.capx.co/shouldnt-nicola-sturgeon-be-expelling-some-nationalist-extremists/
    LOL, they will want Stasi rounding up suspected SNP supporters soon. Cannot beat them at the ballot box so let us just put them in gulags, UK democracy you just got to love the loyalist unionists chutzpah.

    There is a very dark cloud over the BritNats current squealing. They do seem very intent on shutting down free speech and limiting all discussion to be in line with only what the BritNats find acceptable.

    The only way they can get their lies and misleading half-truths to gain purchase is by shutting down all opposition to the vile BritNat viewpoint. They know they are losing the battle as their propaganda fails to do the job they want.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,383
    The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Can anyone spot something missing from this news on the BBC website ?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34603330
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    I expect a LibDem collapse in Colchester, to mirror the GE. No fight back yet. Could even be down from 10% in Dedham...

    Dedham is not in the Colchester Parliamentary seat . It is in Harwich and North Essex .
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,517
    Sun saying Metropolitan Lefty "agitator" being lined up for Meacher's seat
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 7,366
    Dair said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    Isn’t it about time the SNP started investigating those in their ranks who are behind the worst abuses, and, if they are revealed to be members‎, start expelling them or at least issuing meaningful warnings. Isn’t proper action by Nicola Sturgeon – who is much more reasonable and sensible than the ego-maniac Alex Salmond – overdue, to clean up her party?

    This problem now cuts across party or ideological lines, threatening basic freedoms and eroding civic norms that were taken for granted until the madness and bitterness of the referendum period.
    http://www.capx.co/shouldnt-nicola-sturgeon-be-expelling-some-nationalist-extremists/
    LOL, they will want Stasi rounding up suspected SNP supporters soon. Cannot beat them at the ballot box so let us just put them in gulags, UK democracy you just got to love the loyalist unionists chutzpah.
    There is a very dark cloud over the BritNats current squealing. They do seem very intent on shutting down free speech and limiting all discussion to be in line with only what the BritNats find acceptable.

    The only way they can get their lies and misleading half-truths to gain purchase is by shutting down all opposition to the vile BritNat viewpoint. They know they are losing the battle as their propaganda fails to do the job they want.

    You really are being eaten up by this. It's a shame.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,517

    You really are being eaten up by this. It's a shame.

    Dair is so upset he forgot to use the magic word. No biccy for him tonight.
  • The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Why are NI MPs excused your outrage?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 44,329
    edited October 2015

    The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Electorate sizes:

    Malcg's area:

    North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
    Central ayrshire 70,021;
    Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995


    Charles' manor:

    Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
    Kensington electorate 61,133
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 1,513
    @JonnyJimmy Quite so! And when do English/Welsh MPs get to vote on matters decided at Holyrood? All MPs are second class by that measure. It's how the cookie crumbles.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,383

    The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Why are NI MPs excused your outrage?
    I think their voter to MP ratio is similar to England's, actually I checked population to MP so please correct me if I'm wrong
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    Isn’t it about time the SNP started investigating those in their ranks who are behind the worst abuses, and, if they are revealed to be members‎, start expelling them or at least issuing meaningful warnings. Isn’t proper action by Nicola Sturgeon – who is much more reasonable and sensible than the ego-maniac Alex Salmond – overdue, to clean up her party?

    This problem now cuts across party or ideological lines, threatening basic freedoms and eroding civic norms that were taken for granted until the madness and bitterness of the referendum period.
    http://www.capx.co/shouldnt-nicola-sturgeon-be-expelling-some-nationalist-extremists/
    LOL, they will want Stasi rounding up suspected SNP supporters soon. Cannot beat them at the ballot box so let us just put them in gulags, UK democracy you just got to love the loyalist unionists chutzpah.
    There is a very dark cloud over the BritNats current squealing. They do seem very intent on shutting down free speech and limiting all discussion to be in line with only what the BritNats find acceptable.

    The only way they can get their lies and misleading half-truths to gain purchase is by shutting down all opposition to the vile BritNat viewpoint. They know they are losing the battle as their propaganda fails to do the job they want.
    You really are being eaten up by this. It's a shame.

    It's not eating me up, it's indicative of the way that the BritNats are trying to frame the debate. They want the SNP to take action against people who are not members of the SNP. They want free speach limited by any means possible to allow their propaganda to go unchallenged.

    It's just another excellent example of how the BritNats represent the dark side of nationalism in the face of an encompassing Scottish Independence movement.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,383
    Pulpstar said:

    The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Electorate sizes:

    Malcg's area:

    North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
    Central ayrshire 70,021;
    Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995


    Charles' manor:

    Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
    Kensington electorate 61,133
    I really should have researched my representatives better!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,517
    edited October 2015
    Dair said:

    SNIP

    Any chance you could repost some of that in English?
  • Pulpstar said:

    The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Electorate sizes:

    Malcg's area:

    North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
    Central ayrshire 70,021;
    Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995


    Charles' manor:

    Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
    Kensington electorate 61,133
    Lol!
    Puncture for the outrage bus.
  • The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Why are NI MPs excused your outrage?
    I think their voter to MP ratio is similar to England's, actually I checked population to MP so please correct me if I'm wrong
    'The Office for National Statistics gives the median total parliamentary electorate across constituencies of about 72,400 in England, 69,000 in Scotland, 66,800 in Northern Ireland and 56,800 in Wales.'

    http://tinyurl.com/q3t7yat
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Why are NI MPs excused your outrage?
    I think their voter to MP ratio is similar to England's, actually I checked population to MP so please correct me if I'm wrong
    Overrepresentation by Electorate.

    1, Wales
    2. NI
    3. Scotland
    4. England

    By voters.

    1. NI
    2. Wales
    3. England
    4. Scotland

    So in terms of votes cast, Scotland has the worst representation and therefore the least valuable individual votes in the United Kingdom.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,383

    Pulpstar said:

    The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Electorate sizes:

    Malcg's area:

    North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
    Central ayrshire 70,021;
    Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995


    Charles' manor:

    Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
    Kensington electorate 61,133
    Lol!
    Puncture for the outrage bus.
    Indeed! But you didn't argue that initially because, I expect, you know that Scottish seats are generally smaller population wise than English ones.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 7,568
    edited October 2015
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects
    Conservative GAIN Tottington (Bury) from Labour.

    Going well for Corbyn then. Still, selecting Jon Lansman for Oldham will surely work out: http://www.sunnation.co.uk/labour-agitator-being-lined-up-for-seat-following-michael-meachers-death/
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,517
    Year after year the Queen has stood in the biting November cold to honour the fallen on Remembrance Sunday.

    Now, as she approaches her 90th birthday, the service at the Cenotaph is to be shortened to limit the standing time, but the move has provoked a political row over an enhanced role for David Cameron.

    Last week, the leaders of the four main opposition parties were told that they would no longer be required to each lay a wreath in turn at the war memorial on November 8, leaving only the prime minister to lay one on his own.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4593927.ece

    Why does this sound like Osborne?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 6,841
    Goodness, Germaine Greer is irritating.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 44,329

    Pulpstar said:

    The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Electorate sizes:

    Malcg's area:

    North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
    Central ayrshire 70,021;
    Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995


    Charles' manor:

    Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
    Kensington electorate 61,133
    Lol!
    Puncture for the outrage bus.
    Indeed! But you didn't argue that initially because, I expect, you know that Scottish seats are generally smaller population wise than English ones.
    Seats based on population has been a persistent Labour argument for yonks xD. What's made you come round to it ?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Pulpstar said:

    The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Electorate sizes:

    Malcg's area:

    North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
    Central ayrshire 70,021;
    Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995


    Charles' manor:

    Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
    Kensington electorate 61,133
    Lol!
    Puncture for the outrage bus.
    Indeed! But you didn't argue that initially because, I expect, you know that Scottish seats are generally smaller population wise than English ones.
    You were talking about votes not electorate and on that basis Scotland is the least well represented part of the UK, MalcolmGs vote is worth less than a voter in any other country of the UK.

    It was merely heightened irony your examples were of some of the larger population seats in Scotland and smallest population seats in England.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,383
    Dair said:

    The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Why are NI MPs excused your outrage?
    I think their voter to MP ratio is similar to England's, actually I checked population to MP so please correct me if I'm wrong
    Overrepresentation by Electorate.

    1, Wales
    2. NI
    3. Scotland
    4. England

    By voters.

    1. NI
    2. Wales
    3. England
    4. Scotland

    So in terms of votes cast, Scotland has the worst representation and therefore the least valuable individual votes in the United Kingdom.
    Is population per seat irrelevant because of the foreigners living in England?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :smile:

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects
    Conservative GAIN Tottington (Bury) from Labour.

    Going well for Corbyn then. Still, selecting Jon Lansman for Oldham will surely work out:http://www.sunnation.co.uk/labour-agitator-being-lined-up-for-seat-following-michael-meachers-death/

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 7,568
    12.3% swing! Though I think there were local factors.

    Tottington (Bury) result:
    CON - 52.2% (+14.0)
    LAB - 30.9% (-10.5)
    UKIP - 9.9% (-5.1)
    LDEM - 4.3% (-1.0)
    GRN - 2.7% (+2.7)
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    "MalcolmGs vote is worth less than a voter in any other country of the UK."

    Seems about right to me :D
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects
    Conservative GAIN Tottington (Bury) from Labour.

    Going well for Corbyn then. Still, selecting Jon Lansman for Oldham will surely work out: http://www.sunnation.co.uk/labour-agitator-being-lined-up-for-seat-following-michael-meachers-death/

    "Labour sources suggest that they will push for a quick campaign to stop Nigel Farage’s Eurosceptic party “bedding in”."

    Would be interesting if UKIP select Paul Nuttall.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,517
    @wildernessyrs: Ouch. Tories up 14, Labour down 10 in Tottington (Bury). https://t.co/GGxdTFUyEo
  • Dair said:

    The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Why are NI MPs excused your outrage?
    I think their voter to MP ratio is similar to England's, actually I checked population to MP so please correct me if I'm wrong
    Overrepresentation by Electorate.

    1, Wales
    2. NI
    3. Scotland
    4. England

    By voters.

    1. NI
    2. Wales
    3. England
    4. Scotland

    So in terms of votes cast, Scotland has the worst representation and therefore the least valuable individual votes in the United Kingdom.
    Is population per seat irrelevant because of the foreigners living in England?
    Fuck me! The wheels are coming aff.
  • Credit where credit is due, I think Farage tonight on BBCQT is a lot more measured and reasonable than I've seen him before. I haven't had a good word to say about him here before but he is performing well tonight.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects
    Conservative GAIN Tottington (Bury) from Labour.

    Going well for Corbyn then. Still, selecting Jon Lansman for Oldham will surely work out: http://www.sunnation.co.uk/labour-agitator-being-lined-up-for-seat-following-michael-meachers-death/

    Nooooo!

    It has to be Karie Murphy. Please, please, please let it be Karie Murphy.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,075
    News on the 'other' football -

    The NFL have extended their 2 games a year at Wembley contract until 2020.

    They also have a contract to play 2 games a year at Spurs new stadium starting 2018.

    The Jaguars will play 1 game a year at Wembley each year, and their owner has said fairly openly that if there is to be a London team, he wants it to be the Jaguars. They are not doing well in Jacksonville for attendance.

    The NFL tried to buy the London Olympic stadium, so they are serious. Why?

    The Jaguars Bills game on Sunday will be the 13th game played in London, and one fan in attendance will be the millionth UK NFL fan through the turnstiles. That's why. They also sell a huge amount of NFL stuff each game, over $1 million a game. That's why.

    They are still trying to make the logistics work on having a team based there.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,383
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Electorate sizes:

    Malcg's area:

    North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
    Central ayrshire 70,021;
    Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995


    Charles' manor:

    Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
    Kensington electorate 61,133
    Lol!
    Puncture for the outrage bus.
    Indeed! But you didn't argue that initially because, I expect, you know that Scottish seats are generally smaller population wise than English ones.
    Seats based on population has been a persistent Labour argument for yonks xD. What's made you come round to it ?
    I hadn't really given it much thought before, and I'm not sure it's a great idea but I think it's a relevant consideration when contemplating the "second class" nature of Scottish/Welsh/ Irish MPs
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,517
    edited October 2015
    Tim_B said:

    News on the 'other' football -

    Hey Tim

    What are the NFC East standings looking like right now?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 7,366
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    Isn’t it about time the SNP started investigating those in their ranks who are behind the worst abuses, and, if they are revealed to be members‎, start expelling them or at least issuing meaningful warnings. Isn’t proper action by Nicola Sturgeon – who is much more reasonable and sensible than the ego-maniac Alex Salmond – overdue, to clean up her party?

    This problem now cuts across party or ideological lines, threatening basic freedoms and eroding civic norms that were taken for granted until the madness and bitterness of the referendum period.
    http://www.capx.co/shouldnt-nicola-sturgeon-be-expelling-some-nationalist-extremists/
    LOL, they will want Stasi rounding up suspected SNP supporters soon. Cannot beat them at the ballot box so let us just put them in gulags, UK democracy you just got to love the loyalist unionists chutzpah.
    There is a very dark cloud over the BritNats current squealing. They do seem very intent on shutting down free speech and limiting all discussion to be in line with only what the BritNats find acceptable.

    The only way they can get their lies and misleading half-truths to gain purchase is by shutting down all opposition to the vile BritNat viewpoint. They know they are losing the battle as their propaganda fails to do the job they want.
    You really are being eaten up by this. It's a shame.
    It's not eating me up, it's indicative of the way that the BritNats are trying to frame the debate. They want the SNP to take action against people who are not members of the SNP. They want free speach limited by any means possible to allow their propaganda to go unchallenged.

    It's just another excellent example of how the BritNats represent the dark side of nationalism in the face of an encompassing Scottish Independence movement.

    Squealing vile Britnats? Couple of mental stops to shooting people for the greater good.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 44,329

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?

    Electorate sizes:

    Malcg's area:

    North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
    Central ayrshire 70,021;
    Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995


    Charles' manor:

    Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
    Kensington electorate 61,133
    Lol!
    Puncture for the outrage bus.
    Indeed! But you didn't argue that initially because, I expect, you know that Scottish seats are generally smaller population wise than English ones.
    Seats based on population has been a persistent Labour argument for yonks xD. What's made you come round to it ?
    I hadn't really given it much thought before, and I'm not sure it's a great idea but I think it's a relevant consideration when contemplating the "second class" nature of Scottish/Welsh/ Irish MPs
    Wales is massively over-represented in terms of seats. Scotland isn't ;)
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 3,589
    Looking at the reviews of the new Bond movie Spectre it appears they may be including a few topical themes. Suggests they're taking a pro-Snowden line on surveillance and perhaps more amusingly they seem to have updated it for age of austerity. There's a new pen-pushing bureaucrat called 'C' (not short for anything we assume) who's decided he wants to, horror of all horrors, cut the 00 section. It's up to M and Bond to fight for their jobs.
  • isamisam Posts: 24,352
    Bore off Greer
  • Scott_P said:

    Year after year the Queen has stood in the biting November cold to honour the fallen on Remembrance Sunday.

    Now, as she approaches her 90th birthday, the service at the Cenotaph is to be shortened to limit the standing time, but the move has provoked a political row over an enhanced role for David Cameron.

    Last week, the leaders of the four main opposition parties were told that they would no longer be required to each lay a wreath in turn at the war memorial on November 8, leaving only the prime minister to lay one on his own.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4593927.ece

    Why does this sound like Osborne?

    The wreath should be laid by the youngest member of the house, irrespective of party.
  • Scott_P said:

    Year after year the Queen has stood in the biting November cold to honour the fallen on Remembrance Sunday.

    Now, as she approaches her 90th birthday, the service at the Cenotaph is to be shortened to limit the standing time, but the move has provoked a political row over an enhanced role for David Cameron.

    Last week, the leaders of the four main opposition parties were told that they would no longer be required to each lay a wreath in turn at the war memorial on November 8, leaving only the prime minister to lay one on his own.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4593927.ece

    Why does this sound like Osborne?

    I really hope and suspect any changes like this are not because of party politics but is as said because of the health of the monarch. Though I think if the Queen can't serve her functions as monarch in an era of longer lifespans then perhaps she should retire (as the Dutch Queen did two years ago) rather than shorten our memorials to the those lost at war.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 44,329
    edited October 2015
    None of the panel seem to have noticed that Hinkley Point is actually pretty bad value for money !

    Get Junior on there.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    12.3% swing! Though I think there were local factors.

    Tottington (Bury) result:
    CON - 52.2% (+14.0)
    LAB - 30.9% (-10.5)
    UKIP - 9.9% (-5.1)
    LDEM - 4.3% (-1.0)
    GRN - 2.7% (+2.7)

    That has to be some sort of record in a marginal seat during this portion of the electoral cycle.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,517

    Squealing vile Britnats? Couple of mental stops to shooting people for the greater good.

    He's forgotten Nicola's wise words already

    @NicolaSturgeon: Note to my fellow independence supporters. People who disagree are not anti Scottish. Does our cause no good to hurl abuse (& it's wrong)

    Maybe time for some re-education...
  • isam said:

    Bore off Greer

    I thought she made a good point, the reforms China have done to move from famine to major development is a modern day miracle.

    Funny seeing Farage now attacking the tax credits reforms when 100% of UKIP MPs have been backing them.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 36,517
    Dair said:

    That has to be some sort of record in a marginal seat during this portion of the electoral cycle.

    Allegedly there were "local factors"
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Scott_P said:

    Year after year the Queen has stood in the biting November cold to honour the fallen on Remembrance Sunday.

    Now, as she approaches her 90th birthday, the service at the Cenotaph is to be shortened to limit the standing time, but the move has provoked a political row over an enhanced role for David Cameron.

    Last week, the leaders of the four main opposition parties were told that they would no longer be required to each lay a wreath in turn at the war memorial on November 8, leaving only the prime minister to lay one on his own.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4593927.ece

    Why does this sound like Osborne?
    The wreath should be laid by the youngest member of the house, irrespective of party.

    I'd back this idea.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Politicians driving police investigations at allies' request. You'd be shocked were it Russia or Venezuela
    https://t.co/PD8VBZRd3l
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 3,633
    Scott_P said:

    Dair said:

    That has to be some sort of record in a marginal seat during this portion of the electoral cycle.

    Allegedly there were "local factors"
    Yes, the 'local' voters didn't vote Labour and did vote Tory!!
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I like that idea. Keeps remembrance in mind for those with no life experience.

    Scott_P said:

    Year after year the Queen has stood in the biting November cold to honour the fallen on Remembrance Sunday.

    Now, as she approaches her 90th birthday, the service at the Cenotaph is to be shortened to limit the standing time, but the move has provoked a political row over an enhanced role for David Cameron.

    Last week, the leaders of the four main opposition parties were told that they would no longer be required to each lay a wreath in turn at the war memorial on November 8, leaving only the prime minister to lay one on his own.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4593927.ece

    Why does this sound like Osborne?
    The wreath should be laid by the youngest member of the house, irrespective of party.

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 7,568
    Scott_P said:

    Dair said:

    That has to be some sort of record in a marginal seat during this portion of the electoral cycle.

    Allegedly there were "local factors"
    http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/13647425.Ex_councillor_spared_jail_after_admitting_child_sex_photos_offences/
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    Squealing vile Britnats? Couple of mental stops to shooting people for the greater good.

    He's forgotten Nicola's wise words already

    @NicolaSturgeon: Note to my fellow independence supporters. People who disagree are not anti Scottish. Does our cause no good to hurl abuse (& it's wrong)

    Maybe time for some re-education...
    A completely different issue.

    BritNat Trolls are the problem, either the direct BritNat trolls like Ian Martin and Iain Smart or the Trolls-By-Proxy like Joanne Rowling. There was a delicious irony in Martin's celebration of cyber-attacks by Rowling against anyone that opposes her BritNat drool.
  • Pulpstar said:

    None of the panel seem to have noticed that Hinkley Point is actually pretty bad value for money !

    Get Junior on there.

    Is it?

    I am not an expert but surely it is false to compare strike prices for power plants that have not been built yet a decade from now to the prices generated by existing power plants (much of which will be retired within the next decade).

    The comparison should be to the strike prices of alternative means of power generation and it seems that it is a lot more competitive then.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,075

    Looking at the reviews of the new Bond movie Spectre it appears they may be including a few topical themes. Suggests they're taking a pro-Snowden line on surveillance and perhaps more amusingly they seem to have updated it for age of austerity. There's a new pen-pushing bureaucrat called 'C' (not short for anything we assume) who's decided he wants to, horror of all horrors, cut the 00 section. It's up to M and Bond to fight for their jobs.

    It opens here 11/6. I was 10 when Dr, No came out, but the first one I saw on release was Goldfinger. Since then even after all these years, whenever I hear the James Bond theme I react to it. I have the soundtrack of the pre-credits music from Goldfinger as the ring tone on my phone. Some of the later Roger Moore ones were poor, but I'll be there in 2 weeks.

    The music has never been the same since John Barry's departure, culminating in the simply dreadful theme song to Skyfall.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 788

    Looking at the reviews of the new Bond movie Spectre it appears they may be including a few topical themes. Suggests they're taking a pro-Snowden line on surveillance and perhaps more amusingly they seem to have updated it for age of austerity. There's a new pen-pushing bureaucrat called 'C' (not short for anything we assume) who's decided he wants to, horror of all horrors, cut the 00 section. It's up to M and Bond to fight for their jobs.

    Well, the head of MI6 is traditionally called "C" after Mansfield Cumming, who founded it as a separate (from what is now MI5) service.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    Dair said:

    That has to be some sort of record in a marginal seat during this portion of the electoral cycle.

    Allegedly there were "local factors"
    Such as "the locals thought Corbyn was a terrorist supporting, economically suicidal Trot?"
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    He's virtue signalling elsewhere right now :wink:
    Pulpstar said:

    None of the panel seem to have noticed that Hinkley Point is actually pretty bad value for money !

    Get Junior on there.

  • isamisam Posts: 24,352

    isam said:

    Bore off Greer

    I thought she made a good point, the reforms China have done to move from famine to major development is a modern day miracle.

    Funny seeing Farage now attacking the tax credits reforms when 100% of UKIP MPs have been backing them.
    I don't think he really 'attacked' them do you?

    He said the same as Carswell did on Mondays daily politics re fields amendment
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 7,366
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Year after year the Queen has stood in the biting November cold to honour the fallen on Remembrance Sunday.

    Now, as she approaches her 90th birthday, the service at the Cenotaph is to be shortened to limit the standing time, but the move has provoked a political row over an enhanced role for David Cameron.

    Last week, the leaders of the four main opposition parties were told that they would no longer be required to each lay a wreath in turn at the war memorial on November 8, leaving only the prime minister to lay one on his own.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4593927.ece

    Why does this sound like Osborne?
    The wreath should be laid by the youngest member of the house, irrespective of party.
    I'd back this idea.

    Why don't they all just lay them at the same time?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited October 2015
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