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  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
  • Mr. Eagles, you're not concerned at all by sympathy for men who committed murder for the sake of a cartoon?
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,973
    This is awful from Corbyn
  • I am afraid to say the sun has sunk to a new low. Gross misrepresentation at a time of great sensitivity and also again something which brings great discredit on opinion polls.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited November 2015
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/23/what-we-got-right-and-wrong-in-coverage-of-the-paris-attacks

    The comments below this article by Chris Elliott are absolutely fascinating, and I would say required reading for people who want to know where we are in the debate about islam and islamism.

    It seems readers of left wing newspapers are far more unhappy with the way these events were reported by their paper of choice than readers of right wing ones. The comment pieces, in particular, are being sent down in flames.

    Whatever you think of what the Sun has done, it isn;t leading the debate here.

    It is playing catch up.
  • Alistair said:

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
    Oh they just "sympathised" with murdering people for drawing a cartoon. That's alright then.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole 3m3 minutes ago

    In response to Defence Review, Jezza is talking about climate change
    . Deathly silence from Labour benches.
  • Good afternoon, everyone.

    I agree with this piece. On the other hand, when questionable methodology was used in a question which delivered a very low level of support for the tax credit cuts, the piece on that was simply reporting the low figure, not the questionable method.

    Mr. Eagles, it's true Mr. Zims' was not accurate in that claim, but 27% having sympathy for the motives of mass murderers is still not great.

    Sympathy doesn't equal support.

    Almost all Muslims living in Britain feel a loyalty to the country (95%), Nine in ten (93%) British Muslims believe that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws.
    And the other 7%?
    6% disagreed, 1% DK/Refused
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/12011114/Brussels-Paris-attack-terror-alert-suspects-Salah-Abdeslam-manhunt-Monday-live.html#update-20151123-1551
    Mr Cameron's plan to improve equipment and resources includes:

    • Two "strike brigades" of 5,000 soldiers which can be deployed immediately to fight terrorists and others threatening the country. The new strike brigades will be able to respond to international threats to Britain miles away at short notice, with enough support to "sustain themselves in the field" and operate independently.

    • £178bn buying and maintaining equipment over next decade

    • Two new strike brigades with forces of up to 5,000 personnel

    • Two additional Typhoon squadrons and one F35 combat squadron

    • Nine new maritime patrol aircraft to be based in Scotland to protect nuclear deterrent and enhance maritime search and rescue

    • Design and build light and flexible frigates and destroyers
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    More
    The government will increase counter-terrorism funding by a third to £15 billion, with new investments in detecting "high risk" passengers and new border security measures to tackle weapons smuggling.

    Measures announced include:

    • £2.5bn investment

    • 1,900 additional counter-terrorism staff

    • Aviation security funding doubled

    • Contingency plan to deal with terrorist attacks in place

    • New surveillance drones to be launched to "observe our adversaries for weeks on end"
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    norman smith ‏@BBCNormanS 1m1 minute ago
    Jeremy Corbyn calls for a human rights adviser in every embassy

  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited November 2015
    TGOHF said:

    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole 3m3 minutes ago

    In response to Defence Review, Jezza is talking about climate change
    . Deathly silence from Labour benches.

    Why the surprise? Corbyn is an utter fool/tool.
  • watford30 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole 3m3 minutes ago

    In response to Defence Review, Jezza is talking about climate change
    . Deathly silence from Labour benches.

    Why the surprise? Corbyn is an utter fool/tool.
    #DUJCA :lol:
  • RobD said:
    Shows how bitter Naughtie is at Labour's defeat.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Alistair said:

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
    Wow 11% is worrying, I'd guess most of them would be male, either way it means tens of thousands living here believe if you draw a cartoon of Mohammed you deserve what's coming to you.

  • Good afternoon, everyone.

    I agree with this piece. On the other hand, when questionable methodology was used in a question which delivered a very low level of support for the tax credit cuts, the piece on that was simply reporting the low figure, not the questionable method.

    Mr. Eagles, it's true Mr. Zims' was not accurate in that claim, but 27% having sympathy for the motives of mass murderers is still not great.

    Sympathy doesn't equal support.

    Almost all Muslims living in Britain feel a loyalty to the country (95%), Nine in ten (93%) British Muslims believe that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws.
    And the other 7%?
    6% disagreed, 1% DK/Refused
    6% is a lot of people
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
    Oh they just "sympathised" with murdering people for drawing a cartoon. That's alright then.
    No they did not. They did not sympathise with the action (well 85% of them certainly didn't given the above response).

    There is a difference between being a person who feels offended & being a person who feels offended who then acts on that offence.
  • Mr. Eagles, you're not concerned at all by sympathy for men who committed murder for the sake of a cartoon?

    I am concerned.
  • Mr. Eagles, you're not concerned at all by sympathy for men who committed murder for the sake of a cartoon?

    I wonder how the idea of having sympathy for say people killing Muslims in the wake of the Rotherham abuse scandal would be treated. I imagine they'd be none of this excuse making and hand wringing.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I agree with this piece. On the other hand, when questionable methodology was used in a question which delivered a very low level of support for the tax credit cuts, the piece on that was simply reporting the low figure, not the questionable method.

    Mr. Eagles, it's true Mr. Zims' was not accurate in that claim, but 27% having sympathy for the motives of mass murderers is still not great.

    Sympathy doesn't equal support.

    Almost all Muslims living in Britain feel a loyalty to the country (95%), Nine in ten (93%) British Muslims believe that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws.
    And the other 7%?
    6% disagreed, 1% DK/Refused
    6% is a lot of people
    Are you a secret Lib Dem? :D
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    We could drop polar bears on them?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxis7Y1ikIQ
    TGOHF said:

    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole 3m3 minutes ago

    In response to Defence Review, Jezza is talking about climate change
    . Deathly silence from Labour benches.

  • Good afternoon, everyone.

    I agree with this piece. On the other hand, when questionable methodology was used in a question which delivered a very low level of support for the tax credit cuts, the piece on that was simply reporting the low figure, not the questionable method.

    Mr. Eagles, it's true Mr. Zims' was not accurate in that claim, but 27% having sympathy for the motives of mass murderers is still not great.

    Sympathy doesn't equal support.

    Almost all Muslims living in Britain feel a loyalty to the country (95%), Nine in ten (93%) British Muslims believe that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws.
    And the other 7%?
    6% disagreed, 1% DK/Refused
    6% is a lot of people
    As pointed down below, it is similar to the number of Non Muslims who expressed similar viewpoints
  • RobD said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I agree with this piece. On the other hand, when questionable methodology was used in a question which delivered a very low level of support for the tax credit cuts, the piece on that was simply reporting the low figure, not the questionable method.

    Mr. Eagles, it's true Mr. Zims' was not accurate in that claim, but 27% having sympathy for the motives of mass murderers is still not great.

    Sympathy doesn't equal support.

    Almost all Muslims living in Britain feel a loyalty to the country (95%), Nine in ten (93%) British Muslims believe that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws.
    And the other 7%?
    6% disagreed, 1% DK/Refused
    6% is a lot of people
    Are you a secret Lib Dem? :D
    Haven't voted LibDem since the 2008 London Assembly election :)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
    Wow 11% is worrying, I'd guess most of them would be male, either way it means tens of thousands living here believe if you draw a cartoon of Mohammed you deserve what's coming to you.

    No, split evenly between men and women. Older generation (45+) more likely to agree.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    I'd be interested to see the outrage on here if a given % of white people said muslims were fair game.

    And before the bedwetters start screaming its not what I'm proposing, I'm simply interested in consistency and comparison.
  • Miss Plato, that's a ridiculous comment.

    Pianos are obviously far more sensible, from a logistical perspective.
  • Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
    Oh they just "sympathised" with murdering people for drawing a cartoon. That's alright then.
    No they did not. They did not sympathise with the action (well 85% of them certainly didn't given the above response).

    There is a difference between being a person who feels offended & being a person who feels offended who then acts on that offence.
    Do me a favour.

    No decent person would have sympathy for any motives after innocent people have been machined gunned to death.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
    Wow 11% is worrying, I'd guess most of them would be male, either way it means tens of thousands living here believe if you draw a cartoon of Mohammed you deserve what's coming to you.

    No, split evenly between men and women. Older generation (45+) more likely to agree.
    That really surprises me, I 'd assumed (wrongly) it was the angry young men.
  • Jeremy Corbyn is just plain embarrassing. David Cameron demolished him in just a few minutes. How long is this charade going to continue.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    Jeremy Corbyn is just plain embarrassing. David Cameron demolished him in just a few minutes. How long is this charade going to continue.

    Uh oh! PB Tories 4 Jezza and #DUJCA unite? :D
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
    Wow 11% is worrying, I'd guess most of them would be male, either way it means tens of thousands living here believe if you draw a cartoon of Mohammed you deserve what's coming to you.

    No, split evenly between men and women. Older generation (45+) more likely to agree.
    That really surprises me, I 'd assumed (wrongly) it was the angry young men.
    The full results are here: http://www.comres.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/BBC-Today-Programme_British-Muslims-Poll_FINAL-Tables_Feb2015.pdf
  • Jeremy Corbyn is just plain embarrassing. David Cameron demolished him in just a few minutes. How long is this charade going to continue.

    I have just watched it.

    Unbelievable..
  • CromwellCromwell Posts: 236
    How about a bit of common sense ?.the number of so called Sympathisers is greater than what is in the Poll as those folks are just the ones who actually admit it ..there are bound to be many others with enough sense or discretion not to admit to it !

    And the rest of the Muslim population seem merely indifferent .! Well I mean , Islam is a primal , atavistic, quasi Medieval cult ...just how can fickle liberal democracy possibly compete against that ?.it's the timeless craving for meaning and purpose ; the desire to avoid existential despair and soul death

    The loyalty of Muslims is to Islam , not to their host nation and definitely not to so called Western Democracy

    Where are the ''Million Muslim March '' to protest against those who have supposedly hijacked Islam ?.....where are the outraged Muslin folk holding up signs saying ''Not in our name '' ?

    Don't hold your breath waiting for the outraged Muslims to show their loyalty to their host nations
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
    Oh they just "sympathised" with murdering people for drawing a cartoon. That's alright then.
    No they did not. They did not sympathise with the action (well 85% of them certainly didn't given the above response).

    There is a difference between being a person who feels offended & being a person who feels offended who then acts on that offence.
    Do me a favour.

    No decent person would have sympathy for any motives after innocent people have been machined gunned to death.
    I oppose the death penalty but I can sympathise with the motives of a father who had his infant daughter murdered demanding the death penalty for the person convicted.
  • Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
    Oh they just "sympathised" with murdering people for drawing a cartoon. That's alright then.
    No they did not. They did not sympathise with the action (well 85% of them certainly didn't given the above response).

    There is a difference between being a person who feels offended & being a person who feels offended who then acts on that offence.
    Do me a favour.

    No decent person would have sympathy for any motives after innocent people have been machined gunned to death.
    I oppose the death penalty but I can sympathise with the motives of a father who had his infant daughter murdered demanding the death penalty for the person convicted.
    Which is why I explicitly stated innocent people to avoid this sort of excuse making.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,973
    Actually, Corbyns response so was hopeless if I were a tory I'd be launching my save jezza campaign.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
    Oh they just "sympathised" with murdering people for drawing a cartoon. That's alright then.
    No they did not. They did not sympathise with the action (well 85% of them certainly didn't given the above response).

    There is a difference between being a person who feels offended & being a person who feels offended who then acts on that offence.
    Do me a favour.

    No decent person would have sympathy for any motives after innocent people have been machined gunned to death.
    I oppose the death penalty but I can sympathise with the motives of a father who had his infant daughter murdered demanding the death penalty for the person convicted.
    A 15 year old girl was found in a field last week, she'd been raped and murdered, I'm very happy for the perpetrator to be executed.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
    Oh they just "sympathised" with murdering people for drawing a cartoon. That's alright then.
    No they did not. They did not sympathise with the action (well 85% of them certainly didn't given the above response).

    There is a difference between being a person who feels offended & being a person who feels offended who then acts on that offence.
    Do me a favour.

    No decent person would have sympathy for any motives after innocent people have been machined gunned to death.
    I oppose the death penalty but I can sympathise with the motives of a father who had his infant daughter murdered demanding the death penalty for the person convicted.
    Thay isn't really the same. He is demanding the death penalty as justice for his daughter. Whereas the terrorists are murdering innocent people.
  • Cromwell said:

    How about a bit of common sense ?.the number of so called Sympathisers is greater than what is in the Poll as those folks are just the ones who actually admit it ..there are bound to be many others with enough sense or discretion not to admit to it !

    And the rest of the Muslim population seem merely indifferent .! Well I mean , Islam is a primal , atavistic, quasi Medieval cult ...just how can fickle liberal democracy possibly compete against that ?.it's the timeless craving for meaning and purpose ; the desire to avoid existential despair and soul death

    The loyalty of Muslims is to Islam , not to their host nation and definitely not to so called Western Democracy

    Where are the ''Million Muslim March '' to protest against those who have supposedly hijacked Islam ?.....where are the outraged Muslin folk holding up signs saying ''Not in our name '' ?

    Don't hold your breath waiting for the outraged Muslims to show their loyalty to their host nations

    http://www.isisnotinmyname.com/
    https://twitter.com/hashtag/notinmyname?lang=en
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAxIOC8Zisc
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670


    Which is why I explicitly stated innocent people to avoid this sort of excuse making.

    The question asked wasn't "Were the Charlie Hebdo murders morally justified?". the question wasn't "Do you support the Charlie Hebdo murderers?"

    The question was designed to generate a headline due to how easy it was to mis-report it. It is an incredibly nuanced question which reduced through the black-and-white lens of the media leads to ludicrous headlines.
  • I just caught Cameron's response.

    Labour need a new leader. It's not good for democracy when the PM need only quote the Leader of the Opposition's most recent madness to crush him in the Commons.

    At least Miliband was daft, rather than totally crazy.

    Mr. Alistair, that's not the same thing as drawing a cartoon, though...
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    edited November 2015

    I'd be interested to see the outrage on here if a given % of white people said muslims were fair game.

    And before the bedwetters start screaming its not what I'm proposing, I'm simply interested in consistency and comparison.

    I would be appalled if people started calling for violence to be meted out to Muslims here because of the crimes of others.
    TGOHF said:

    norman smith ‏@BBCNormanS 1m1 minute ago
    Jeremy Corbyn calls for a human rights adviser in every embassy

    Embassies already have access to such people. They are known as lawyers. And the FCO have plenty of them.

  • Off topics, the slicing back of orders for the Type 26s is a bit of a disappointment and the RAF still looks to me like it's 2-3 squadrons short but, otherwise, this defence review seems to me to be as good as anything that could have been expected:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34897076
  • Actually, Corbyns response so was hopeless if I were a tory I'd be launching my save jezza campaign.

    And on cue...

    https://twitter.com/LEJ88/status/668823509028757504
  • Did Hug a Jahadi Jez really channel his inner Charlotte Church in response to the Defence review announcement?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,526
    LondonBob said:
    I'm not putting a 'Turkish spin' on things. I'm putting my viewpoint which is very different from Turkey's and Erdogan's. You seem incapable of noticing, but I criticise them when they do bad things, and congratulate them when they do things well (e.g. they way they have handled refugees for four years now). I consistently try to make the point to readers on here that their position in the world makes them a critical player in these events.

    Likewise for the Kurds: I express sympathy with their position, whilst condemning the violent actions of the PKK. Yet they also have a major role in events that should not be forgotten by fans of Assad's murderous regime.

    If you don't want Turkey to be our friend, fair enough. Hopefully the government will not make the mistake of withdrawing a hand of friendship, carefully given, and push Turkey further away from the west's interests (and, I would argue, the interests of most of its population).

    As for saying I've a 'neo-Ottoman / Islamist spin'; if you're that stupid then perhaps you ought to retire to playgroundmatchsticksbetting.com.

    It's about your level.
  • We have a new constituency to add to by-election watch:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mp-centre-police-probe-6885561
  • Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
    Oh they just "sympathised" with murdering people for drawing a cartoon. That's alright then.
    No they did not. They did not sympathise with the action (well 85% of them certainly didn't given the above response).

    There is a difference between being a person who feels offended & being a person who feels offended who then acts on that offence.
    What is worrying is that several people on here who claim to be intelligent and who profess a knowledge of how to interpret polls are defending the actions of the Sun and this particular poll. I will take all future comments and in particular about the us polls with a pinch of salt..
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Cyclefree said:

    Good piece, BTW.

    A poor poll and poor journalism on the back of it.

    Didn't PEW or a similar organisation commission a more thorough poll on this topic a while back?

    PEW has done a number of polls on related subjects, some of them have been quite depressing (the punishment for apostasy one for example)
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074

    I just caught Cameron's response.

    Labour need a new leader. It's not good for democracy when the PM need only quote the Leader of the Opposition's most recent madness to crush him in the Commons.

    At least Miliband was daft, rather than totally crazy.

    Mr. Alistair, that's not the same thing as drawing a cartoon, though...

    What did Cameron and JC say to each other?
  • PM: We will invest more than £178 billion in buying and maintaining equipment over the next decade #SDSR2015

    The problem now is in staffing in the RAF and Navy to actually crew all this kit. They look 1,000-2,000 sailors and aircrew short to me.

    Mind you, the Defence establishment has not been known for manning efficiency in the past so who knows.. Otherwise perhaps this is something to review in SDR2020 as the carriers actually start to come online.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559

    We have a new constituency to add to by-election watch:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mp-centre-police-probe-6885561

    Typical Unionist black propaganda and posted from a poster notorious for living near Westminster.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    We have a new constituency to add to by-election watch:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mp-centre-police-probe-6885561

    Typical Unionist black propaganda and posted from a poster notorious for living near Westminster.

    I agree. There will certainly be some ruing in this case. :D
  • We have a new constituency to add to by-election watch:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mp-centre-police-probe-6885561

    It was very good of these SNP MPs to keep their history under wraps until they had won their seats at considerable odds-against.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    cyclefree says:

    I would be appalled if people started calling for violence to be meted out to Muslims here because of the crimes of others.

    Me too, not just people here but anywhere. However there does seem to be an awful lot of double standards around.
  • Miss Cyclefree, didn't see Corbyn's apparently prolonged ramble.

    Cameron pointed out that the Shadow Chancellor wanted to disband MI5, and Corbyn's on the record saying it'd be wonderful (or words to that effect) if, like Costa Rica, we could abolish the armed forces.

    There was more, but that was the most important bit.
  • I'd be interested to see the outrage on here if a given % of white people said muslims were fair game.

    And before the bedwetters start screaming its not what I'm proposing, I'm simply interested in consistency and comparison.

    I expect you would find the English Defence League would agree " muslims were fair game." That's an estimated 30 to 50k members.. so about .001% of the UK population vs 5+ % of the UK muslim population

    I doubt though that "fair game " would include beheading or rape and muttilation..
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559
    RobD said:

    We have a new constituency to add to by-election watch:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mp-centre-police-probe-6885561

    Typical Unionist black propaganda and posted from a poster notorious for living near Westminster.

    I agree. There will certainly be some ruing in this case. :D
    Any man with a name like "Alistair" who can criticise the SNP is clearly a quisling of the lowest order and probably an agent provocateur trying to undermine Scotland.

    Porridge.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    We have a new constituency to add to by-election watch:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mp-centre-police-probe-6885561

    Incompetent or criminal is not a great set of options to have.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    We have a new constituency to add to by-election watch:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mp-centre-police-probe-6885561

    It was very good of these SNP MPs to keep their history under wraps until they had won their seats at considerable odds-against.
    I'd actually laid of the majority of my Glasgow East bets by the time of the election. Foolishly conservative on my part.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Alistair said:

    We have a new constituency to add to by-election watch:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mp-centre-police-probe-6885561

    Incompetent or criminal is not a great set of options to have.
    Incompetent at covering up their crimes? ;)
  • CromwellCromwell Posts: 236
    We are in the midst of a major historical event , the most important since the end of the Cold War and fall of the Soviet Union ...it is a full blown immigration crises !

    Word has gotten out among the population of the developing world that Europe is a ''soft touch '' and has lost the will to enforce its own borders and that virtually anyone can claim political asylum if they can reach the European shore

    Frau Merkel has in a fit of epic absent mindedness announced that Germany will take 800,000 so called Syrian refugees , but she is likely to get 8 MILLION as millions of folks from the Third World opportunistically GATE CRASH our borders

    It's slowly dawned upon her what she has actually done but it's now just too late ; the avalanche is in process and it's going to reach devastating numbers in the spring ...the EU leaders will plead with Turkey to cut off the flow or at least turn it down to a manageable level ; and they will... for a stiff price ! We will have to bribe them with an annual tribute in the form of a latter day Turkish Danegeld that they will opportunistically raise as the crises deepens

    Western man is becoming increasingly like the feminised , pacifist ELOI in H G Well's Time Machine and the Muslims from the Maghreb , Syria , Iraq and Afghanistan are the obvious MORLOCKS
  • We have a new constituency to add to by-election watch:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mp-centre-police-probe-6885561

    It was very good of these SNP MPs to keep their history under wraps until they had won their seats at considerable odds-against.
    This was one of my big winners on the night so I have a real affection for Natalie McGarry. But betting opportunities are betting opportunities.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    Cyclefree said:

    I'd be interested to see the outrage on here if a given % of white people said muslims were fair game.

    And before the bedwetters start screaming its not what I'm proposing, I'm simply interested in consistency and comparison.

    I would be appalled if people started calling for violence to be meted out to Muslims here because of the crimes of others.
    TGOHF said:

    norman smith ‏@BBCNormanS 1m1 minute ago
    Jeremy Corbyn calls for a human rights adviser in every embassy

    Embassies already have access to such people. They are known as lawyers. And the FCO have plenty of them.

    Not just any human rights adviser - a jeremy corbyn huma rights adviser :)
  • Off topics, the slicing back of orders for the Type 26s is a bit of a disappointment and the RAF still looks to me like it's 2-3 squadrons short but, otherwise, this defence review seems to me to be as good as anything that could have been expected:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34897076

    Two squadrons of Typhoons are being added and we are committing to the F35. As I understand it we are going for a smaller alternative rather than extra T26s.
    The latest tranche of Typhoons is turning out to be a good multi role plane.
    A
  • This is Dave skewering Jez on defence

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1OVtNBSktI
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Easy now Dave. He's gotta last until 2020!
  • RobD said:

    Easy now Dave. He's gotta last until 2020!

    Dave was like Scipio Africanus taking on Jeremy 'Hannibal' Corbyn
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    I'd be interested to see the outrage on here if a given % of white people said muslims were fair game.

    And before the bedwetters start screaming its not what I'm proposing, I'm simply interested in consistency and comparison.

    I expect you would find the English Defence League would agree " muslims were fair game." That's an estimated 30 to 50k members.. so about .001% of the UK population vs 5+ % of the UK muslim population

    I doubt though that "fair game " would include beheading or rape and muttilation..
    30-50k members? Blimey, I thought there about a dozen or so of the nutters.



  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961
    On topic, I know the liberal hand-wringers are desperate for some good news from this Sun polling, so 15% only having some sympathy for murderous medieval beheading bastards is clearly something to be brushed under the carpet.

    I wonder what would be the response of these same liberal people to a poll saying 15% had some sympathy for the Ku Klux Klan?
  • Mr. Eagles, no.

    That was a battle.

    Corbyn was Tsar Samuel, haunted by the return of his soldiers.
  • RobD said:

    Easy now Dave. He's gotta last until 2020!

    I agree, but Dave has to last until 2020 as well and Defence is a sensitive one for the Tories. It's not something they will be soft on with Corbyn.
    But ... yes we have to husband Corbyn carefully, he is not doing terribly well at the moment.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961

    This is Dave skewering Jez on defence

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1OVtNBSktI


    Kevin Foster (Torbay) seems to have got a great spot on the benches, appearing on the left of frame for this and for PMQs....
  • I'd be interested to see the outrage on here if a given % of white people said muslims were fair game.

    And before the bedwetters start screaming its not what I'm proposing, I'm simply interested in consistency and comparison.

    I expect you would find the English Defence League would agree " muslims were fair game." That's an estimated 30 to 50k members.. so about .001% of the UK population vs 5+ % of the UK muslim population

    I doubt though that "fair game " would include beheading or rape and muttilation..
    30-50k members? Blimey, I thought there about a dozen or so of the nutters.



    You should be an expert in the EDL, they endorsed UKIP last year

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/english-defence-league-backs-ukip-in-local-elections-8562350.html

    (Before you have an aneurysm, I know the BNP backed Boris in 2008, and there was the Tory in Dudley that tried to start an EDL riot)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    This is Dave skewering Jez on defence

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1OVtNBSktI


    Kevin Foster (Torbay) seems to have got a great spot on the benches, appearing on the left of frame for this and for PMQs....
    Must say I am enjoying the new angles, although you can tell the camera is of crappier quality given how small it is.
  • The thing that stood out for me in that clip of David Cameron on military manoeuvres was the Eagle sisters grinning on the front bench and Angela pointing at Maria after David Cameron attacked Ken Livingstone undermining hardworking Labour frontbenchers. The mutiny is completely open (and on this occasion fully justified).
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Lee Hurst
    These 2 Strike Brigades that David Cameron mentioned in the #SDSR2015... are they made up wholly of Junior Doctors and Tube Workers?
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    You should be an expert in the EDL, they endorsed UKIP last year

    Your collection of puerile remarks is infinite.
  • The thing that stood out for me in that clip of David Cameron on military manoeuvres was the Eagle sisters grinning on the front bench and Angela pointing at Maria after David Cameron attacked Ken Livingstone undermining hardworking Labour frontbenchers. The mutiny is completely open (and on this occasion fully justified).

    Prof O'Hara noted it too

    @gsoh31: Watson and Eagle have just done the equivalent of a silent protest with a banner to their own leader. Incredible. Was it planned?

    @gsoh31: Day 73 of #Labourgeddon: #Labour frontbench clrly agrees w/ PM more than own leader, Eagle on Front Bench indics in charge of Def, not Ken.
  • You should be an expert in the EDL, they endorsed UKIP last year

    Your collection of puerile remarks is infinite.

    Seriously you need to get a humour chip installed. It was a joke.

    As I noted the Tories attracted some interesting support that they repudiated, just like UKIP did
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Off topics, the slicing back of orders for the Type 26s is a bit of a disappointment and the RAF still looks to me like it's 2-3 squadrons short but, otherwise, this defence review seems to me to be as good as anything that could have been expected:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34897076

    Two squadrons of Typhoons are being added and we are committing to the F35. As I understand it we are going for a smaller alternative rather than extra T26s.
    The latest tranche of Typhoons is turning out to be a good multi role plane.
    A
    Please do dig behind the headlines. Some of these announcements are reversals of the 2010 review, some are announcing stuff that has already been announced, some appear on first reading to be disguised cuts (e.g. two new infantry brigades to be created but it would seem at the expense of three armoured infantry brigades disbanded). As for the promise to spend £178bn over ten years, that really ought to be ringing alarm bells.

    Spin, spin, glorious spin (to paraphrase Flanders and Swann).
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    You should be an expert in the EDL, they endorsed UKIP last year

    Your collection of puerile remarks is infinite.

    Seriously you need to get a humour chip installed. It was a joke.

    As I noted the Tories attracted some interesting support that they repudiated, just like UKIP did
    Maybe annoyed that we won over three hundred times as many seats as them :p
  • RobD said:

    You should be an expert in the EDL, they endorsed UKIP last year

    Your collection of puerile remarks is infinite.

    Seriously you need to get a humour chip installed. It was a joke.

    As I noted the Tories attracted some interesting support that they repudiated, just like UKIP did
    Maybe annoyed that we won over three hundred times as many seats as them :p
    Please, it was 330 times as many.

    It would have been even larger were it not for Labour's superior ground game.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Alistair said:

    john_zims said:

    @CD13

    'It's not much comfort that even 5% of British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS joiners That's around a quarter of a million in the UK.'


    So the February poll for the Telegraph after the Charlie Hebdo murders which showed that 27% of British Muslims sympathized with ISIS terrorists is also wrong ?

    Link to the poll please?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html
    So John Zims was talking shite when he said 27% of British Muslims sympathised with ISIS terrorists.

    Thought as much

    One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    As ISIS wasn't mentioned in the question, and the question asked about some sympathy with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, who were nothing to do with ISIS.
    Is sympathising with the Charlie Hebdo attackers any better than sympathising with ISIS?
    They didn't sympathies with the attackers, they sympathiaed with the motive behind the attacks.

    They weren't asked if they supported the murderers.

    The best you can get from the poll is
    "Organisations which publish images of the Prophet Mohammad deserve to be attacked"
    Agree: 11%
    Disagree: 85%
    11% - deserve to be attacked.......... and the others not willing to admit they hold those thoughts?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961

    You should be an expert in the EDL, they endorsed UKIP last year

    Your collection of puerile remarks is infinite.

    He'll take that as a compliment!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    RobD said:

    You should be an expert in the EDL, they endorsed UKIP last year

    Your collection of puerile remarks is infinite.

    Seriously you need to get a humour chip installed. It was a joke.

    As I noted the Tories attracted some interesting support that they repudiated, just like UKIP did
    Maybe annoyed that we won over three hundred times as many seats as them :p
    Please, it was 330 times as many.

    It would have been even larger were it not for Labour's superior ground game.
    Yes, we were on course for 400+.... :D
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    The thing that stood out for me in that clip of David Cameron on military manoeuvres was the Eagle sisters grinning on the front bench and Angela pointing at Maria after David Cameron attacked Ken Livingstone undermining hardworking Labour frontbenchers. The mutiny is completely open (and on this occasion fully justified).

    Maria appeared to be saying 'Yes. that's me!' and to be pleased with the Primeministerial acknowledgement of her position.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    philiph said:

    The thing that stood out for me in that clip of David Cameron on military manoeuvres was the Eagle sisters grinning on the front bench and Angela pointing at Maria after David Cameron attacked Ken Livingstone undermining hardworking Labour frontbenchers. The mutiny is completely open (and on this occasion fully justified).

    Maria appeared to be saying 'Yes. that's me!' and to be pleased with the Primeministerial acknowledgement of her position.
    I thought he was talking about Ken's slur about a Tory minister needing to see a quack?
  • As an aside, Corbyn does seem committed to his Mister Bean outfit. It matches his policies nicely.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    TGOHF said:

    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole 3m3 minutes ago

    In response to Defence Review, Jezza is talking about climate change
    . Deathly silence from Labour benches.

    To quote Dr Palmer - tic toc.

    Or the Labour party better hope so or this is going to end up as an ELE.
  • As an aside, Corbyn does seem committed to his Mister Bean outfit. It matches his policies nicely.

    Corbyn should have taken my fashion advice.

    I'm still available to be Corbyn's fashion adviser.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/09/11/some-fashion-advice-for-jeremy-corbyn/
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    edited November 2015
    Mr. Eagles, he's batshit insane.

    But not that batshit insane.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,526
    felix said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I'd be interested to see the outrage on here if a given % of white people said muslims were fair game.

    And before the bedwetters start screaming its not what I'm proposing, I'm simply interested in consistency and comparison.

    I would be appalled if people started calling for violence to be meted out to Muslims here because of the crimes of others.
    TGOHF said:

    norman smith ‏@BBCNormanS 1m1 minute ago
    Jeremy Corbyn calls for a human rights adviser in every embassy

    Embassies already have access to such people. They are known as lawyers. And the FCO have plenty of them.

    Not just any human rights adviser - a jeremy corbyn huma rights adviser :)
    I wonder if he might be talking about a 'human rights adviser' from charities, not government. How about a CAGE adviser in every embassy? A Stop the War walllah in every consulate? :(
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    In case anyone missed it. The good people of Belgium responded to a request by their authorities not to tweet about police operations by ... having a mass tweeting of cat pictures and videos.

    The Belgians may have many problems but they did invent the idea of mayonnaise with chips, they brew good beer and they have a massive sense of humour.

    #BrusselsLockdown

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PickardJE: Labour MPs advised to head to Oldham West tomorrow to stay away from SNP's #awks debate on Trident renewal https://t.co/xHuA3DEJ9u
  • Mr. Llama, I saw that, it was really rather good.

    You missed off splendid chocolates and one of the best circuits on the F1 calendar.

    Mr. Jessop, careful. Insulting Ayatollah Corbyni could result in a fatwa against you/
  • Labour MPs who criticise Jeremy Corbyn online to be 'silenced'

    Labour's ruling body will police Twitter for comments made by MPs who criticise the party's leader

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12011600/Labour-MPs-who-criticise-Jeremy-Corbyn-online-to-be-silenced.html

    Thought police...wonder what interesting ideas would emerge if they got into power?
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited November 2015

    As an aside, Corbyn does seem committed to his Mister Bean outfit. It matches his policies nicely.

    It is interesting to contrast opinions on the last three Labour leaders that those on the right hold. I think the opinions could be summarised as follows:

    Corbyn: Affable but wrong on every count, so long as he can't get power. He is following his views from 40 years ago. Irrelevant

    Milliband: Weird, incompetent, dangerous to be in power, opportunistic.

    Brown: His mental health was questioned, vacillation, bully and unfit for office.

    On this metric each new model appears as an improvement on the previous version.
  • Scott_P said:

    @PickardJE: Labour MPs advised to head to Oldham West tomorrow to stay away from SNP's #awks debate on Trident renewal https://t.co/xHuA3DEJ9u

    For entirely frivolous reasons, I'm hoping that Angela and Maria Eagle take this advice.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Labour MPs who criticise Jeremy Corbyn online to be 'silenced'

    Labour's ruling body will police Twitter for comments made by MPs who criticise the party's leader

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12011600/Labour-MPs-who-criticise-Jeremy-Corbyn-online-to-be-silenced.html

    Thought police...wonder what interesting ideas would emerge if they got into power?

    Some indications it is meant to apply to all Labour members, not just MPs
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