Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

Options

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Tonight’s Local By-Election Preview with ten separate conte

24

Comments

  • Options
    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    edited November 2015
    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    Well I never, Chairman McMao, backed the IRA along with his mate Jahadi Jez. What a pair. The only problem is, are the media firing the muck too early? If they actually get through all this, they will have used all this stuff up, and it will be dismissed as a bit of a joke.

    Imagine instead if the Times was digging up this stuff during a GE campaign.
    I could get upset about it. People close to me have suffered at IRA hands. But, what's the point? McDonnell is filth, and we've always known that he's filth.
    But that's crucial tho. People despise politicians as venal, corrupt, lying, inept, blah blah, but they don't usually regard politicians as evil, traitorous FILTH. There is a supposition that, on the whole, as long as their duckhouses are painted, MPs will act in the interest of the British nation and people - I mean, why on earth should they not?

    But Corbyn and McDonnell ARE now seen as crossing that line, as being astonishing and repulsive scumbags who want our enemies to win. A voter with an IQ of 54 will be sensing this mood, and responding. And this reflexive loathing of the Labour leadership will, I predict, be most visceral amongst the patriotic white working classes.

    The Corbynite middle classes will somehow find a way to explain away their anxieties, the less-well-off will not.

    It's an open goal for UKIP and maybe the Tories.


    I think you've got this in one.

    For the WWC, this flim-flam from the leadership about not wanted to bomb Da'esh in Syria combined with unbelievably poor Islington-ite leadership stances on immigration could be the 'Better together' moment that leads to Labour losing the Urban north like they lost Scotland in May.....
  • Options

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.

    I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
    We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.

    That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.

    Just a bunch of c*nts.
    I've just watched the first episode of The Man In the High Castle on Amazon Prime.

    Excellent show. One of the leading Nazis reminded me of McDonnell.
    Not sure about watching it.
    I love the book but with very few exceptions Philip K Dick has not translated well to the screen.
    Bladerunner is a spectacular exception.

    Total Recall is huge fun too.
    Yep, they are the two I had in mind... but we can remember if for you, wholesale was a little different from the Verhoeven classic.

    Honourable mention to a scanner darkly.
  • Options
    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    HYUFD said:

    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.

    It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.

    Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
    Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.

    The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.

    The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.

    Live coverage on GBC right now if anyone fancies a quick look:
    http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
    They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
    And why not.

    We pay for their security.

    They pay no tax.

    Cushtie.
  • Options
    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,621

    Rochford is a recount , apparently Labour ahead by 4 votes after first count

    Corbynmania may be back on!
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937

    HYUFD said:

    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.

    It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.

    Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
    Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.

    The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.

    The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.

    Live coverage on GBC right now if anyone fancies a quick look:
    http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
    They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
    Yes, we can't say the same thing about the leaders of all UK political parties.
    That is true
  • Options
    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    Patrick Kidd ‏@patrick_kidd 32s33 seconds ago
    @KateVotesLabour @MichaelPDeacon @TodJSullivan there's also a memorial in Oldham to victims of the M62 coach bombing in 1974.

    Which politician will go to see it first.
  • Options
    tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    Absolutely right. Corbyn's lack of nuance and pacifist predictability is utterly depressing.
    kle4 said:

    tyson said:

    I agree with Corbyn in respect of the non intervention in Syria.

    I don't agree with Corbyn's pacifism per se which is based on simplistic nonsense. But
    when you have the Turks, Iranians, Islamicist freedom fighters. Hezbollah, Assad army, Assad militia, Russians, Turks, Kurds, US and French in there with no endgame, many fighting each other, I can't quite see the point in our six operational bombers getting involved. No-one would notice the role of 6 RFA fighters anyway because of the nihilistic carnage going on.

    SeanT said:

    @MattSingh_: Multiple Labour sources now suggesting that #OldhamWest & Royton is now too close to call...

    As I've said on PB, the best result for Labour is a dramatic loss to UKIP, so the unions and MPs finally discover the cullions to ditch Corbyn and McDonnell. The IRA stuff is beyond poisonous, and will kill Labour by itself, quite apart from Maogaffe, etc.

    Any kind of win will give the Corbynites an excuse to persevere, despite the apocalypse that clearly awaits.

    Nick Palmer. Jesus C. To think Nick once commanded a measure of respect on this forum.

    That seems a pretty reasonable distinction. One of my problems with Corbyn is one of the things his supporters like about him, and that's his touted inflexibility. He has his views, very passionate and very simple and straightforward. He might well work out to be right on occasion. But my being generally wary of too much ideological thinking, he seems to form opinions automatically, never questioning the bases of those automatic positions.
  • Options
    Re the Pwllheli piece; Dafydd Iwan has never been Plaid Cymru Leader. He was President at the time.
  • Options
    @DAaronovitch:
    The shadow cabinet agrees to go and consult before taking a position on Syria, so the leader then goes and takes a position on Syria. Natch.
  • Options
    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 21s21 seconds ago
    Recount in Rochford, which the Conservatives are defending. Understand Labour are close, if not ahead.
  • Options
    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @blairmcdougall: Interesting headline about Natalie McGarry on front of @Daily_Record tomorrow. https://t.co/KG3Je3AUja
  • Options
    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    @DAaronovitch:
    The shadow cabinet agrees to go and consult before taking a position on Syria, so the leader then goes and takes a position on Syria. Natch.

    @faisalislam: So Corbyn emailed the PLP letter against intervention from his train after senior shadow Cabinet ministers praised Cameron's case for action
  • Options
    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    View 1 new Tweet
    Ladbrokes Politics ‏@LadPolitics now4 seconds ago
    Odds of Corbyn being replaced as leader this year cut from 10/1 to 8/1. #bbcqt
    Embedded image permalink
  • Options
    I'm going to bed now but part of me wants to stay up and see what new clusterfuck Labour can pull off today.
  • Options
    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @gabyhinsliff: Is it me or did Ken just basically accuse Tony Blair of being responsible for deaths of 52 Londoners on 7/7? #bbcqt
  • Options
    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,789

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.

    I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
    We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.

    That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.

    Just a bunch of c*nts.
    I've just watched the first episode of The Man In the High Castle on Amazon Prime.

    Excellent show. One of the leading Nazis reminded me of McDonnell.
    Not sure about watching it.
    I love the book but with very few exceptions Philip K Dick has not translated well to the screen.
    Bladerunner is a spectacular exception.

    Total Recall is huge fun too.
    He's the weirdest writer. Bladerunner and Total Recall are interesting and fun, respectively, but I don't think they really captured what he was trying to say.
  • Options
    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Labour gain Rochford by 4 votes !!!!!!
  • Options
    Scott_P said:

    @gabyhinsliff: Is it me or did Ken just basically accuse Tony Blair of being responsible for deaths of 52 Londoners on 7/7? #bbcqt

    Not the worst thing he has said...
  • Options
    dr_spyn said:

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 21s21 seconds ago
    Recount in Rochford, which the Conservatives are defending. Understand Labour are close, if not ahead.

    Labour win.
  • Options
    Corbynmania is on!

    @britainelects: Labour GAIN Rochford (Rochford District) from Conservative.
  • Options
    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.

    It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.

    Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
    Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.

    The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.

    The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.

    Live coverage on GBC right now if anyone fancies a quick look:
    http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
    They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
    And why not.

    We pay for their security.

    They pay no tax.

    Cushtie.
    Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
  • Options
    glwglw Posts: 9,549

    Yep, they are the two I had in mind... but we can remember if for you, wholesale was a little different from the Verhoeven classic.

    Honourable mention to a scanner darkly.

    Well that's the trick with adapting Dick, buy the rights and then film a different story. I can't imagine novels like The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch or Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said being adapted successfully.
  • Options
    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,789
    tyson said:

    I genuinely believe you here which is worrying- politics is about a battle of ideas. Mostly you just think your opponents are just plain wrong, but not evil.

    I don't trust the likes of Corbyn and McDonnell. I really do not. It is really worrying that these kind of people have taken hold of a mainstream political party in the UK.

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.

    I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
    We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.

    That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.

    Just a bunch of c*nts.
    Labour are led by wicked people.

    Quite why Nick P voted for them is a mystery.
    Yes. I wasn't trying to be snide. They are nasty people.
  • Options
    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.

    I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
    We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.

    That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.

    Just a bunch of c*nts.
    I've just watched the first episode of The Man In the High Castle on Amazon Prime.

    Excellent show. One of the leading Nazis reminded me of McDonnell.
    Not sure about watching it.
    I love the book but with very few exceptions Philip K Dick has not translated well to the screen.
    Bladerunner is a spectacular exception.

    Total Recall is huge fun too.
    He's the weirdest writer. Bladerunner and Total Recall are interesting and fun, respectively, but I don't think they really captured what he was trying to say.
    Total recall didn't even try to...

    I think the longer format of TV may help with this for the man in the high castle.

    I may give it a go...
  • Options
    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    Ian Austin ‏@IanAustinMP 2m2 minutes ago
    Ken Livingstone just blamed Tony Blair for London bombings. Total disgrace. The people responsible are the terrorists. I think it's shameful
  • Options
    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Who is the American woman on QT?
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    Interesting - Ken calling for boots on the ground.
  • Options
    dr_spyn said:

    Ian Austin ‏@IanAustinMP 2m2 minutes ago
    Ken Livingstone just blamed Tony Blair for London bombings. Total disgrace. The people responsible are the terrorists. I think it's shameful

    Happy families again in the Labour Party...
  • Options
    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    I said that the Ed Stone wouldn't make the top 10 Labour cock-ups of 2015, the way Labour have been going the last week or so it will fall out of the top 50 before Christmas.
  • Options
    isamisam Posts: 40,892
    In ten years or so Matt Hancock will be this Conservative MP.

    http://youtu.be/jUTH7TDqp48
  • Options
    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,621
    I used to like Ken, he seemed fairly fun. Has he gotten less funny or just more bitter?
  • Options
    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2015
    Scott_P said:

    @krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt

    Just checked. He said this:

    "If we hadn't invaded Iraq, those four men would not have gone out and killed 52 Londoners. We know that."
  • Options
    Rochford is a Labour gain from Con by 4 votes

    Newport is an Indy hold
  • Options
    isamisam Posts: 40,892
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt

    I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
    The phrase "gave their lives" was pretty sickening
  • Options
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt

    I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
    At this rate, George Galloway will be rejoining the Labour Party and getting a prime job.
  • Options
    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    Rochford is a Labour gain from Con by 4 votes

    Newport is an Indy hold

    Disaster!
  • Options
    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2015
    Sounds like QT is delving to the depths of the disgraceful episode that occurred after 9/11...
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    "gave their lives" Swwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet Jesus.
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    edited November 2015

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt

    I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
    At this rate, George Galloway will be rejoining the Labour Party and getting a prime job.
    Galloway 'If I was Jeremy Corbyn I'd want me to be London Mayor' (Gorgeous George says he is the true Corbynite in the race, not Khan)
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/davehillblog/2015/nov/25/george-galloway-if-i-was-jeremy-corbyn-id-want-me-to-be-london-mayor
  • Options
    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Pulpstar said:

    "gave their lives" Swwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet Jesus.

    Didn't someone earlier today say that Labour had gone an entire day without a cockup? :D
  • Options
    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.

    It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.

    Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
    Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.

    The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.

    The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.

    Live coverage on GBC right now if anyone fancies a quick look:
    http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
    They use the Limited Vote, interestingly. 10 votes to elect 17 MPs elected at large. Parties put up 10 candidates and the result is usually 10:7.
  • Options
    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    "gave their lives" Swwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet Jesus.

    Didn't someone earlier today say that Labour had gone an entire day without a cockup? :D
    Raises hand slowly from the back....I did say day though, nothing about the night.
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    edited November 2015

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt

    I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
    At this rate, George Galloway will be rejoining the Labour Party and getting a prime job.
    Galloway is against terrorists, unlike Ken.

    See the previous "This week" for details
  • Options

    Labour gain Rochford by 4 votes !!!!!!

    Wonder what the UKIP vote is.......
  • Options
    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects now4 seconds ago
    Independent GAIN Pwllheli South (Gwynedd) from Llais Gwynedd
  • Options
    DairDair Posts: 6,108

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.

    I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
    We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.

    That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.

    Just a bunch of c*nts.
    I've just watched the first episode of The Man In the High Castle on Amazon Prime.

    Excellent show. One of the leading Nazis reminded me of McDonnell.
    It's very good.

    I've never read the book, so I don't know how it compares. It was very interesting to see the comparative sympathy to the Japanese (which is possibly accurate) while both states are still exceptionally racist.

    It will be very interesting to see how they move into Season Two, I read something about how they should incorporate other concepts from Dicks novels around the same time which might be linked to his philosphy and that would make a lot of sense.

    But whatever happens, the next Season will be worth a try. Excellent stuff.
  • Options
    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    SeanT said:

    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt

    I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
    The phrase "gave their lives" was pretty sickening
    I don't just want the present Labour leadership defeated, I want them ARRESTED.
    Bravo!
  • Options
    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    RodCrosby said:

    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.

    It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.

    Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
    Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.

    The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.

    The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.

    Live coverage on GBC right now if anyone fancies a quick look:
    http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
    They use the Limited Vote, interestingly. 10 votes to elect 17 MPs elected at large. Parties put up 10 candidates and the result is usually 10:7.
    Yes, I rather like it as a system for such a small place.
    What do you think?
  • Options
    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 1m1 minute ago
    Conservative GAIN Salisbury St Edmund & Milford (Wiltshire) from Liberal Democrat.
  • Options
    Conservatives gain Salisbury from Lib Dems
  • Options
    Conservative GAIN Salisbury St Edmund & Milford (Wiltshire) from Liberal Democrat.
  • Options
    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Hancock is much better than usual tonight - particularly on domestic policy. The practice is paying off....
  • Options
    Pwllheli South

    Underwood, Hefin Not noted 269 45.44%
    Williams, Alan Plaid Cymru 168 28.38%
    Parry, Michael Independent 106 17.91%
    Pollitt, Peta Merrian The Voice of Gwynedd 49 8.28%
  • Options
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt

    I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
    True colours.
    Sadly, this is what they think, what they believe.
  • Options
    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    dr_spyn said:

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 1m1 minute ago
    Conservative GAIN Salisbury St Edmund & Milford (Wiltshire) from Liberal Democrat.

    Balance has been restored. :p
  • Options
    Independent GAIN Pwllheli South (Gwynedd) from Llais Gwynedd

  • Options
    Conservative gain Salisbury St Edmund & Milford from Liberal Democrat.
  • Options
    The best Philip K Dick is Doctor Bloodmoney. Or Ubik. Or Counter-clock World.

    He's one of the finest 20th century writers.
  • Options

    Labour gain Rochford by 4 votes !!!!!!

    Wonder what the UKIP vote is.......
    Would expect UKIP to spilt the vote with all the immigrations problems
  • Options
    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ChrisGibsonNews: Labour have confirmed Jeremy Corbyn has cancelled visit to Oldham tomorrow. By-election is next week. UKIP's odds have been slashed.
  • Options
    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Mortimer said:

    Dair said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.

    I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
    We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.

    That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.

    Just a bunch of c*nts.
    Yes but a c*nt to you, any anyone around at the time, is not necessarily a c*nt to everyone.

    The IRA are now 20 years in the past. to most people under 30, they are not only irrelevant but their past behaviour is not toxic in the way it was to anyone who lived through their campaign in any place where the campaign was relevant.

    And remember, in lots of the UK, it was not relevant. Nowhere in Wales or Scotland was attacked by the IRA. Huge swathes of England were not attacked by the IRA. They are, indeed a rather nasty murder gang. But their relevance in 2015 is not really that strong.

    HIs Islamist views are far more toxic with far more penetration. That's the petard to hoist him on.
    Rubbish I am afraid. The fear created by IRA bombing campaigns persisted until the mid-90s.

    I visited London maybe 10 times before I was in my teens in the noughties. The IRA was always the threat everyone was worried about.

    Wales is very near to Birmingham. Liverpool. Manchester etc.

    Just because someone didn't pick on your back yard doesn't mean they are not HATED by the vast majority of the public.

    That is my point.

    It is 20 years ago.

    I was in London a few times in the late 90s and it was still very focuseed on potential IRA terrorism. I found it laughable, mainly because the whole thing was beyond my comprehension. (Especially the whole "just drop rubbish in the street because bins are too dangerous").

    That's my point. Anyone under 20 doesnt care about the IRA and lots of people from non threatened parts of the UK dont care regardless of age.
  • Options
    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,621

    Conservative gain Salisbury St Edmund & Milford from Liberal Democrat.

    Wiltshire Conservatives going from strength to strength at the moment. The Council leader was recently made a Peer as well.
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    Is it me or if the general QT audience thick as mince when it comes to foreign affairs ?
  • Options
    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,789
    SeanT said:

    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt

    I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
    The phrase "gave their lives" was pretty sickening
    I don't just want the present Labour leadership defeated, I want them ARRESTED.
    I'm reminded of the bit of the book series of A Game of Thrones where Jaime muses "Father, all your dogs have gone quite mad" after witnessing endless atrocities.

    Labour is a party that has gone quite mad.
  • Options
    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    While Ken has been speaking on QT, Labour have moved to 1.42 / 1.47 on Betfair.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.121439788
  • Options
    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited November 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Is it me or if the general QT audience thick as mince when it comes to foreign affairs ?

    Fixed, and yes.

    Never tire of this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3tUqRBiMVo
  • Options
    @ariehkovler: Tomorrow's Labour stories:McDonnell supporting IRA bombs, Ken justifying 7/7 and Corbyn being soft on ISIS. Labour finally has a message.
  • Options
    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ArifBBC: Jeremy Corbyn has cancelled his campaign visit to Oldham tomorrow, for urgent talks at Westminster.
  • Options
    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    Gavin Shuker ‏@gavinshuker 3m3 minutes ago
    Gavin Shuker Retweeted Krishnan Guru-Murthy
    The 7/7 bombers didn't give their lives; they took the lives of others. What is happening to my party?
  • Options
    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    kle4 said:

    Conservative gain Salisbury St Edmund & Milford from Liberal Democrat.

    Wiltshire Conservatives going from strength to strength at the moment. The Council leader was recently made a Peer as well.
    21 LD seats remain up for grabs ;)
  • Options
    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Dair said:

    Mortimer said:

    Dair said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.

    I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
    We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.

    That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.

    Just a bunch of c*nts.
    Yes but a c*nt to you, any anyone around at the time, is not necessarily a c*nt to everyone.

    The IRA are now 20 years in the past. to most people under 30, they are not only irrelevant but their past behaviour is not toxic in the way it was to anyone who lived through their campaign in any place where the campaign was relevant.

    And remember, in lots of the UK, it was not relevant. Nowhere in Wales or Scotland was attacked by the IRA. Huge swathes of England were not attacked by the IRA. They are, indeed a rather nasty murder gang. But their relevance in 2015 is not really that strong.

    HIs Islamist views are far more toxic with far more penetration. That's the petard to hoist him on.
    Rubbish I am afraid. The fear created by IRA bombing campaigns persisted until the mid-90s.

    I visited London maybe 10 times before I was in my teens in the noughties. The IRA was always the threat everyone was worried about.

    Wales is very near to Birmingham. Liverpool. Manchester etc.

    Just because someone didn't pick on your back yard doesn't mean they are not HATED by the vast majority of the public.

    That is my point.

    It is 20 years ago.

    I was in London a few times in the late 90s and it was still very focuseed on potential IRA terrorism. I found it laughable, mainly because the whole thing was beyond my comprehension. (Especially the whole "just drop rubbish in the street because bins are too dangerous").

    That's my point. Anyone under 20 doesnt care about the IRA and lots of people from non threatened parts of the UK dont care regardless of age.
    Ok, so presumably you're accepting that the counter point of those is that many others will care deeply.

    So, that is a constituency that could include

    Everyone over 20
    Everyone in threatened parts of the UK

    I.e. most voters.





  • Options
    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
  • Options
    Dair said:

    Mortimer said:

    Dair said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.

    I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
    We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.

    That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.

    Just a bunch of c*nts.
    Yes but a c*nt to you, any anyone around at the time, is not necessarily a c*nt to everyone.

    The IRA are now 20 years in the past. to most people under 30, they are not only irrelevant but their past behaviour is not toxic in the way it was to anyone who lived through their campaign in any place where the campaign was relevant.

    And remember, in lots of the UK, it was not relevant. Nowhere in Wales or Scotland was attacked by the IRA. Huge swathes of England were not attacked by the IRA. They are, indeed a rather nasty murder gang. But their relevance in 2015 is not really that strong.

    HIs Islamist views are far more toxic with far more penetration. That's the petard to hoist him on.
    Rubbish I am afraid. The fear created by IRA bombing campaigns persisted until the mid-90s.

    I visited London maybe 10 times before I was in my teens in the noughties. The IRA was always the threat everyone was worried about.

    Wales is very near to Birmingham. Liverpool. Manchester etc.

    Just because someone didn't pick on your back yard doesn't mean they are not HATED by the vast majority of the public.

    That is my point.

    It is 20 years ago.

    I was in London a few times in the late 90s and it was still very focuseed on potential IRA terrorism. I found it laughable, mainly because the whole thing was beyond my comprehension. (Especially the whole "just drop rubbish in the street because bins are too dangerous").

    That's my point. Anyone under 20 doesnt care about the IRA and lots of people from non threatened parts of the UK dont care regardless of age.
    The Second World War was 70 years ago... does that mean we've forgotten about the dangers of National Socialism?
  • Options
    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @skynewsniall: Sometimes Question Time makes me want to twat my TV with a hammer. If I ever do my insurance company will point out it's still my fault, Ken
  • Options
    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,621
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Conservative gain Salisbury St Edmund & Milford from Liberal Democrat.

    Wiltshire Conservatives going from strength to strength at the moment. The Council leader was recently made a Peer as well.
    21 LD seats remain up for grabs ;)
    Labour are still nowhere in the county though. Doubled from 2 to 4 in 2013, which granted is better than Cornwall had for a time (1 out of something like 120), but those 4 are all in Salisbury city and its environs, so it's LDs, Indys or the Tories elsewhere (UKIP the only opposition in a lot of the rural seats, literally in many cases - and 6 seats were uncontested Tory wins - but if they didn't break through in 2013 I'm not sure they will from now on), so I think the LDs should be able to hold on to a fair number still.

    And actually it's 20 LD seats now I believe, with tonight's loss.
  • Options
    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Watson to be acting Leader by Monday?
  • Options
    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961



    The Second World War was 70 years ago... does that mean we've forgotten about the dangers of National Socialism?

    On a somewhat topical note: when was the Great Purge? :D
  • Options
    Scott_P said:

    @skynewsniall: Sometimes Question Time makes me want to twat my TV with a hammer. If I ever do my insurance company will point out it's still my fault, Ken

    That's why I don't watch it
  • Options
    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095

    The best Philip K Dick is Doctor Bloodmoney. Or Ubik. Or Counter-clock World.

    He's one of the finest 20th century writers.

    Seconded. I read Dr Bloodmoney over 40 years ago - and it still stays with me.
  • Options
    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,789

    @ariehkovler: Tomorrow's Labour stories:McDonnell supporting IRA bombs, Ken justifying 7/7 and Corbyn being soft on ISIS. Labour finally has a message.

    I guess being the Nazi Party has a certain niche appeal.
  • Options

    Pulpstar said:

    Is it me or if the general QT audience thick as mince when it comes to foreign affairs ?

    Fixed, and yes.

    Never tire of this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3tUqRBiMVo
    The end bit is so true...about having on a pointless comedian who wants to be taken seriously...so who is on tonights programme, oh Matt Forde...I rest my case. A passable political impressionist.
  • Options
    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.

    It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.

    Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
    Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.

    The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.

    The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.

    Live coverage on GBC right now if anyone fancies a quick look:
    http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
    They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
    And why not.

    We pay for their security.

    They pay no tax.

    Cushtie.
    Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
    Whether they are Gibraltar citizens or British citizens they still pay NO tax to the UK exchequer, get full cover from UK Taxpayers for their defence, get significant subsidies for UK Universities, etc, etc. etc.

    All Crown dependencies should be given a choice, much like France gave their colonies. Become part of the state or leave. No more subsidies.
  • Options
    Who knew bigot Ken was also a ***?
  • Options
    Scott_P said:

    @skynewsniall: Sometimes Question Time makes me want to twat my TV with a hammer. If I ever do my insurance company will point out it's still my fault, Ken

    Maybe there should be a special clause for this eventuality.
  • Options
    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MikeK said:

    The Turkish connection:
    twitter.com/INTHENOWRT/status/669658746021261312

    The Russian Embassy doing a little light trolling...

    https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/669924409172434944
  • Options
    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.

    It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.

    Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
    Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.

    The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.

    The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.

    Live coverage on GBC right now if anyone fancies a quick look:
    http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
    They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
    And why not.

    We pay for their security.

    They pay no tax.

    Cushtie.
    Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
    Whether they are Gibraltar citizens or British citizens they still pay NO tax to the UK exchequer, get full cover from UK Taxpayers for their defence, get significant subsidies for UK Universities, etc, etc. etc.

    All Crown dependencies should be given a choice, much like France gave their colonies. Become part of the state or leave. No more subsidies.
    That's all bollocks. Every part of that is untrue.
  • Options
    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287

    Who knew bigot Ken was also a ***?

    I hadn't realised that he was a bigot, always thought he was a ****.
  • Options
    AndyJS said:
    Oh hush and tush, it's a breath of fresh air.
  • Options
    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.

    It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.

    Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
    Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.

    The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.

    The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.

    Live coverage on GBC right now if anyone fancies a quick look:
    http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
    They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
    And why not.

    We pay for their security.

    They pay no tax.

    Cushtie.
    Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
    get full cover from UK Taxpayers for their defence
    Tell that to the Channel Islands......
  • Options
    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Mortimer said:

    Who is the American woman on QT?

    Adam Smith person. Very smart and absolutely stunning.
  • Options

    Pulpstar said:

    Is it me or if the general QT audience thick as mince when it comes to foreign affairs ?

    Fixed, and yes.

    Never tire of this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3tUqRBiMVo
    The end bit is so true...about having on a pointless comedian who wants to be taken seriously...so who is on tonights programme, oh Matt Forde...I rest my case. A passable political impressionist.
    He's a much better representative for the Labour Party than Ken is. Are they going to get two people on every week until the party splits?
  • Options
    If 'gave their lives' does not bury Ken's career, what will?

    https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/670017292906967040
  • Options
    Carnforth (Lancaster)

    Con 545
    Lab 320
    Green 52
    UKIP 37
    Lib dem 38

    Con hold
  • Options
    isamisam Posts: 40,892
    AndyJS said:

    While Ken has been speaking on QT, Labour have moved to 1.42 / 1.47 on Betfair.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.121439788

    If sporting index are still 20.5-22 in the morning it could be a sell
  • Options
    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    AndyJS said:

    MP_SE said:

    I am really struggling to see UKIP winning in Oldham. I think there is an awful lot of expectation management going on.

    Take the general election result and adjust the turnout from 60% to 40% to give:

    Lab 15,750
    UKIP 5,900
    Con 5,450
    LD 1,050
    Green 550

    It probably makes sense to give UKIP 3,000 votes from Con:

    Lab 15,750
    UKIP 8,900
    Con 2,450
    LD 1,050
    Green 550

    Therefore a swing of 3,500 votes from Lab to UKIP needed for UKIP to win, which doesn't seem out of the question.
    Thanks for providing the figures. Interesting. Not quite the boring by-election I thought it would be. May have to stay up to watch it.
  • Options

    If 'gave their lives' does not bury Ken's career, what will?

    https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/670017292906967040

    Attacking a bloke with mental health issues? Oh no wait, we have done that one.
  • Options
    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    GeoffM said:

    RodCrosby said:

    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.

    It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.

    Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
    Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.

    The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.

    The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.

    Live coverage on GBC right now if anyone fancies a quick look:
    http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
    They use the Limited Vote, interestingly. 10 votes to elect 17 MPs elected at large. Parties put up 10 candidates and the result is usually 10:7.
    Yes, I rather like it as a system for such a small place.
    What do you think?
    We used a version of it in some seats between 1868 and 1885. It's a bit antiquated and there are better systems like STV, or open list.
  • Options
    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.

    It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.

    Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
    Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.

    The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.

    The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.

    Live coverage on GBC right now if anyone fancies a quick look:
    http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
    They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
    And why not.

    We pay for their security.

    They pay no tax.

    Cushtie.
    Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
    Whether they are Gibraltar citizens or British citizens they still pay NO tax to the UK exchequer, get full cover from UK Taxpayers for their defence, get significant subsidies for UK Universities, etc, etc. etc.

    All Crown dependencies should be given a choice, much like France gave their colonies. Become part of the state or leave. No more subsidies.
    It's only fair. After all, we gave Scotland the choice ;)
This discussion has been closed.