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Airport delay. Tax cred Uturn. Slower cuts… Me for @CapX on No10's pre-referendum campaign https://t.co/mXTlrvH2nz pic.twitter.com/xkRM6je9xo

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    My first first of 2016!
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    FPT.
    The MikeK political predictions for 2016.

    1. Dave will delay EU referendum until early 2017 after polls in May show LEAVE with 4% lead

    2. Farage will resign Leadership of UKIP in March or April 2016

    3. Corbyn suffers ill health June and guess who takes over the leadership?

    4. The Donald wins in Iowa by a hair and handsomely in New Hampshire.

    5. EU closes most of it's borders. Merkel is smothered.

    Edit: My crystal Ball is too fogged up to predict the London Mayors race.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    Makes sense. Can kicking is a venerable tradition in government of course, and this one does seem to be doing its best to master it.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    The can kicking over Heathrow is shorely more to do with Zac rather than EUREF ?
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Sure is.
    Pulpstar said:

    The can kicking over Heathrow is shorely more to do with Zac rather than EUREF ?

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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    FPT
    Speedy said:

    5. It will snow.

    Surely not?

    https://web.archive.org/web/20091230061832/http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

    (And I note that the Independent has now got so embarrassed by that article they've taken it down!)
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,001
    Pulpstar said:

    The can kicking over Heathrow is shorely more to do with Zac rather than EUREF ?

    No-one cares about the London mayoralty relative to EUref. If anything, Zac win may hasten Corb out, which hurts Cam.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited January 2016
    Harry Smith
    The Greys have it - Pollers admit they got 2015 election wrong by ignoring the views of pensioners - via @Telegraph https://t.co/Z15tYcIhqv
    Two major polling companies – YouGov and ICM – have admitted they relied too heavily on a relative over-representation of politically engaged young voters in their polling analysis.

    Polling companies have admitted that they failed to predict the result of last year’s general election because they did not listen enough to the views of elderly people, many of whom are more likely to vote Conservative.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Pulpstar said:

    The can kicking over Heathrow is shorely more to do with Zac rather than EUREF ?

    Why believe anything Tim Montgomerie says. Any vision he has which is not much is clouded by his desire to smear Cameron over anything he can lay his hands on. TM conveniently forgets the furore over welfare cuts wherein it was the usual dim tory backbenchers who were running scared as much as anybody over the issue.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MikeK said:

    FPT.
    The MikeK political predictions for 2016.

    1. Dave will delay EU referendum until early 2017 after polls in May show LEAVE with 4% lead

    2. Farage will resign Leadership of UKIP in March or April 2016

    3. Corbyn suffers ill health June and guess who takes over the leadership?

    4. The Donald wins in Iowa by a hair and handsomely in New Hampshire.

    5. EU closes most of it's borders. Merkel is smothered.

    Edit: My crystal Ball is too fogged up to predict the London Mayors race.

    I would be interested in some odds on any or all of these!

    Tim Montgomerie is a pretty poor pundit, particularly on anything concerning either Cameron or the EU
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,153
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    EPG said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The can kicking over Heathrow is shorely more to do with Zac rather than EUREF ?

    No-one cares about the London mayoralty relative to EUref. If anything, Zac win may hasten Corb out, which hurts Cam.
    Well Corbyn is popular in the N.E., N.W., Wales and London.
    Also Crosby can't play his identity politics in London because the minorities are a majority.
    And in the end London's economic development favour radical leftists, especially the strong decline in home ownership not to mention social tensions created by sky high economic inequality and local price inflation.
    Not to forget Khan's a muslim in a city with a very large muslim population.

    So adding all the above, it's logical that Khan at least is leading in the polls.

    Turning to identity politics, this is ridiculous, Trump & family countdown 2016 on a Fox News special in N.Y:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z1zAKd1-xo&feature=youtu.be

    Can you imagine any other candidate getting that much promotion by the media?
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    More
    YouGov found that the party underestimated Tory support by 3.7 points and overestimated Labour by 2.8 points because of an excess of politically engaged young respondents.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Speedy said:

    EPG said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The can kicking over Heathrow is shorely more to do with Zac rather than EUREF ?

    No-one cares about the London mayoralty relative to EUref. If anything, Zac win may hasten Corb out, which hurts Cam.
    Well Corbyn is popular in the N.E., N.W., Wales and London.
    Also Crosby can't play his identity politics in London because the minorities are a majority.
    And in the end London's economic development favour radical leftists, especially the strong decline in home ownership not to mention social tensions created by sky high economic inequality and local price inflation.
    Not to forget Khan's a muslim in a city with a very large muslim population.

    So adding all the above, it's logical that Khan at least is leading in the polls.

    Turning to identity politics, this is ridiculous, Trump & family countdown 2016 on a Fox News special in N.Y:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z1zAKd1-xo&feature=youtu.be

    Can you imagine any other candidate getting that much promotion by the media?
    If anyone's going to be playing identity politics it will be Khan. He's already arguing for racial discrimination to be legalised (albeit only in one direction).
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/682935771083468800

    Good article on space and private enterprise. All I can say is; "maybe".
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I take Montie's opinion as seriously as Eddie Izzard's campaigning nous.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,306
    MikeK said:

    FPT.
    The MikeK political predictions for 2016.

    1. Dave will delay EU referendum until early 2017 after polls in May show LEAVE with 4% lead

    2. Farage will resign Leadership of UKIP in March or April 2016

    3. Corbyn suffers ill health June and guess who takes over the leadership?

    4. The Donald wins in Iowa by a hair and handsomely in New Hampshire.

    5. EU closes most of it's borders. Merkel is smothered.

    Edit: My crystal Ball is too fogged up to predict the London Mayors race.

    These are rather bold!
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    I take Montie's opinion as seriously as Eddie Izzard's campaigning nous.

    Never forget that Eddie won Scotland for "No".

    Happy New Year!
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    MikeK said:

    FPT.
    The MikeK political predictions for 2016.

    1. Dave will delay EU referendum until early 2017 after polls in May show LEAVE with 4% lead

    2. Farage will resign Leadership of UKIP in March or April 2016

    3. Corbyn suffers ill health June and guess who takes over the leadership?

    4. The Donald wins in Iowa by a hair and handsomely in New Hampshire.

    5. EU closes most of it's borders. Merkel is smothered.

    Edit: My crystal Ball is too fogged up to predict the London Mayors race.

    What happened to the 50+ MPs that you predicted UKIP were going to win at GE2015?
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited January 2016
    test
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Tim Montgomerie makes his case well. Why is the government so risk averse right now? It's not as if it need worry about political opposition in the near term. So it must be for a good reason. The EU referendum looks like the most plausible good reason.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    MikeK said:

    FPT.
    The MikeK political predictions for 2016.

    1. Dave will delay EU referendum until early 2017 after polls in May show LEAVE with 4% lead

    2. Farage will resign Leadership of UKIP in March or April 2016

    3. Corbyn suffers ill health June and guess who takes over the leadership?

    4. The Donald wins in Iowa by a hair and handsomely in New Hampshire.

    5. EU closes most of it's borders. Merkel is smothered.

    Edit: My crystal Ball is too fogged up to predict the London Mayors race.

    What happened to the 50+ MPs that you predicted UKIP were going to win at GE2015?
    That was when I was reading the cards, now I'm using my crystal ball. Very different.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Tim Montgomerie makes his case well. Why is the government so risk averse right now? It's not as if it need worry about political opposition in the near term. So it must be for a good reason. The EU referendum looks like the most plausible good reason.

    It also strengthens the incentive for an early referendum.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,941
    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited January 2016
    Epic - with video

    When you're wrong... Miliband: "I'd get rid of (Sir) Lynton (Crosby) if I were you. He doesn't do much for you."
    https://t.co/2wtfsJUTn3
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,703
    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    FPT.
    The MikeK political predictions for 2016.

    1. Dave will delay EU referendum until early 2017 after polls in May show LEAVE with 4% lead

    2. Farage will resign Leadership of UKIP in March or April 2016

    3. Corbyn suffers ill health June and guess who takes over the leadership?

    4. The Donald wins in Iowa by a hair and handsomely in New Hampshire.

    5. EU closes most of it's borders. Merkel is smothered.

    Edit: My crystal Ball is too fogged up to predict the London Mayors race.

    What happened to the 50+ MPs that you predicted UKIP were going to win at GE2015?
    That was when I was reading the cards, now I'm using my crystal ball. Very different.
    But just as wrong, 4) may be half right, all others are wrong.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    HYUFD said:

    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html

    People are questing his true Tory credentials? Bodes well for him as Cameron's potential successor then.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Quite.
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html

    People are questing his true Tory credentials? Bodes well for him as Cameron's potential successor then.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,941
    edited January 2016
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html

    People are questing his true Tory credentials? Bodes well for him as Cameron's potential successor then.
    The right will be looking for an alternative candidate, maybe Fox or Paterson, perhaps Boris or May
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    Correction to Montgomerie's post: he refers to the way Osborne has "cut defence, the police ..." - but against expectations he announce no further cuts to the Police and that defence will remain at 2% of GDP.

    In one way this further goes towards Montgomerie's point if he wasn't so blinkered - the proposed cuts to the Police were unpopular so were cancelled. But he's still talking as if Osborne is slashing the spending on that as its a hobby horse for him.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,320
    HYUFD said:

    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html

    A point that the article doesn't mention is that the possible shift towards taxing pension contributions but not taxing pensions would be spectacularly popular among grey voters, who would have had their tax-free cake and now see it miraculously reappear to be eaten. Osborne is such a political Chancellor that it's not impossible, though it would be a huge and logically indefensible bung.
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    Lots of treats from the magic money tree for pensioners too - the people most likely to vote and to be receptive to an Out message.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited January 2016
    Anyone know about the Yougov poll which the sky reporter mentioned at the 3 pm news ?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Foxinsox's predictions for the year:

    1) LDs to do encouragingly well in the Locals, but badly in Scotland where they are too close to the SCon position.

    2) Labour to form a minority govt in Wales, with UKIP to flop. Plaid and LDs in the doldrums here.

    3) SCons to push SLab into 3rd place, as part of the absorption of all the other Unionist parties continues.

    4) Zac to flop in London. Lab to also do well in the London Assembly.

    5) September Brexit referendum to be won comfortably by remain. That 8/1 for 60-65% by Shadsy is tasty.

    6) There to be a coup attempt against Corbyn, which he sees off leaving both factions looking weaker. No other party leader to change.

    7) Clinton to beat Cruz comfortably in November.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,941
    surbiton said:

    Anyone know about the Yougov poll which the sky reporter mentioned at the 3 pm news ?

    The Times poll discussed earlier I presume
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,941

    HYUFD said:

    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html

    A point that the article doesn't mention is that the possible shift towards taxing pension contributions but not taxing pensions would be spectacularly popular among grey voters, who would have had their tax-free cake and now see it miraculously reappear to be eaten. Osborne is such a political Chancellor that it's not impossible, though it would be a huge and logically indefensible bung.
    Indeed, we need to encourage people to make more contributions for their retirement and not less
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    @Plato

    More

    YouGov found that the party underestimated Tory support by 3.7 points and overestimated Labour by 2.8 points because of an excess of politically engaged young respondents.

    -------------

    Anthony Wells [ UKPR ] wrote about this 2 weeks back.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html

    A final prediction. The China slowdown worsens and growth slows worldwide. I think that Osborne senses this too so needs to get the books better balanced by defacto tax increases on middle incomes.

    These plans of Osbornes (if true) are a sign of weakness and fear rather than strength.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    FPT.
    The MikeK political predictions for 2016.

    1. Dave will delay EU referendum until early 2017 after polls in May show LEAVE with 4% lead

    2. Farage will resign Leadership of UKIP in March or April 2016

    3. Corbyn suffers ill health June and guess who takes over the leadership?

    4. The Donald wins in Iowa by a hair and handsomely in New Hampshire.

    5. EU closes most of it's borders. Merkel is smothered.

    Edit: My crystal Ball is too fogged up to predict the London Mayors race.

    What happened to the 50+ MPs that you predicted UKIP were going to win at GE2015?
    That was when I was reading the cards, now I'm using my crystal ball. Very different.
    It is quite possible that UKIP may have 0 MPs at the end of this parliament. Carswell may go home after the ref.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    HYUFD said:

    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html

    Truly, I hope Osborne will crash and burn.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    It's a daft approach by the blues. The principal opposition is also in favour. If blue were Remain and red were Leave, this would make sense.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Not quite sure why someone who has committed a triple murder is allowed out of prison. Especially after he supposedly threatened to kill a family he had worked for whilst on day release.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3381214/Notorious-police-killer-Harry-Roberts-killed-three-officers-Shepherd-s-Bush-strolls-high-street-carrying-errands-buying-milk-op.html
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    Correction to Montgomerie's post: he refers to the way Osborne has "cut defence, the police ..." - but against expectations he announce no further cuts to the Police and that defence will remain at 2% of GDP.

    In one way this further goes towards Montgomerie's point if he wasn't so blinkered - the proposed cuts to the Police were unpopular so were cancelled. But he's still talking as if Osborne is slashing the spending on that as its a hobby horse for him.

    Monty is just filling spaces with his comments. He knows nothing.

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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,320
    surbiton said:

    @Plato

    More

    YouGov found that the party underestimated Tory support by 3.7 points and overestimated Labour by 2.8 points because of an excess of politically engaged young respondents.

    -------------

    Anthony Wells [ UKPR ] wrote about this 2 weeks back.

    Something we all need to keep in mind as we look at new polls is that they are in the process of adjustment - I believe YouGov and ComRes have done so, but I'm not sure that others have. That makes polls non-comparable with polls at the same stage of e.g. the 2010-2015 cycle. To take the YouGov example, if they have fully compensated then they will, other things being equal, show an improved Tory lead by a margin of 6.5 points.

    This affects both our assessment of how everyone is doing compared with history (for instance, it ceases to be true that governments have always lost ground by the end of their first year) as well as any betting on results like the Mayoral vote (because we risk double counting by taking the new method that picks up Tories better while still allowing for a shy Tory bonus).

    What would be really useful on a non-partisan basis would be if someone could review what each pollster has done or has said they will do to correct.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Worthy of Bruegel, so much going on.

    Startling to think that this will be the image on the new £10 note https://t.co/bQx1B1Mzqu
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,941

    HYUFD said:

    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html

    A final prediction. The China slowdown worsens and growth slows worldwide. I think that Osborne senses this too so needs to get the books better balanced by defacto tax increases on middle incomes.

    These plans of Osbornes (if true) are a sign of weakness and fear rather than strength.
    Perhaps but better to be prepared if that does come about
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Lolz lolz lolz

    Lee Jasper
    And here we have it. Proof positive that Twitter is totally mental. #TrollPoll https://t.co/dNVUC9SnXp
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,941
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html

    Truly, I hope Osborne will crash and burn.
    As long as Corbyn remains Labour leader though he remains relatively secure
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    MikeK said:

    FPT.
    The MikeK political predictions for 2016.

    1. Dave will delay EU referendum until early 2017 after polls in May show LEAVE with 4% lead

    2. Farage will resign Leadership of UKIP in March or April 2016

    3. Corbyn suffers ill health June and guess who takes over the leadership?

    4. The Donald wins in Iowa by a hair and handsomely in New Hampshire.

    5. EU closes most of it's borders. Merkel is smothered.

    Edit: My crystal Ball is too fogged up to predict the London Mayors race.

    What happened to the 50+ MPs that you predicted UKIP were going to win at GE2015?
    Mr. Smithson, are you sure you are in a good position to be chunking bricks at other people's failed predictions? We do currently have a Conservative Majority, something that you did tell us was impossible unless they were 10 point something ahead in the polls.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Incidentally, Twitter users, I've just begun a parody account for Sir Edric (https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska). Hard to say how often it'll be used, but it'll just be general mockery, and enable me to use some lines that don't work in a medieval fantasy world.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html

    Truly, I hope Osborne will crash and burn.
    Frankly it doesn't matter to me, I'm very unlikely to pay higher rate taxes again .

    Perhaps George can restore parts of the unfair provisions in FAS and PPF. with the windfall from the fatcats.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,306
    surbiton said:

    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    FPT.
    The MikeK political predictions for 2016.

    1. Dave will delay EU referendum until early 2017 after polls in May show LEAVE with 4% lead

    2. Farage will resign Leadership of UKIP in March or April 2016

    3. Corbyn suffers ill health June and guess who takes over the leadership?

    4. The Donald wins in Iowa by a hair and handsomely in New Hampshire.

    5. EU closes most of it's borders. Merkel is smothered.

    Edit: My crystal Ball is too fogged up to predict the London Mayors race.

    What happened to the 50+ MPs that you predicted UKIP were going to win at GE2015?
    That was when I was reading the cards, now I'm using my crystal ball. Very different.
    It is quite possible that UKIP may have 0 MPs at the end of this parliament. Carswell may go home after the ref.
    I wouldn't be devastated if this happened.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    FPT.
    The MikeK political predictions for 2016.

    1. Dave will delay EU referendum until early 2017 after polls in May show LEAVE with 4% lead

    2. Farage will resign Leadership of UKIP in March or April 2016

    3. Corbyn suffers ill health June and guess who takes over the leadership?

    4. The Donald wins in Iowa by a hair and handsomely in New Hampshire.

    5. EU closes most of it's borders. Merkel is smothered.

    Edit: My crystal Ball is too fogged up to predict the London Mayors race.

    What happened to the 50+ MPs that you predicted UKIP were going to win at GE2015?
    That was when I was reading the cards, now I'm using my crystal ball. Very different.
    You won't find success until you start reading entrails.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Mr. 1983, Conservatives would be daft to take Carswell back. They've set a good precedent for defections to UKIP [from a blue perspective], and just letting Carswell return would provide a safety net for those contemplating defection. Better for them to think of Reckless' fate.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Incidentally, Twitter users, I've just begun a parody account for Sir Edric (https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska). Hard to say how often it'll be used, but it'll just be general mockery, and enable me to use some lines that don't work in a medieval fantasy world.

    Get stuck in with it, Mr. Dancer. Spare no one from your mockery especially the happy-clappy, lefty, pseudo-intellectual, politically-correct eegits and the Lib Dems. Also the Cameroons and that fatuous git Osborne.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html

    Truly, I hope Osborne will crash and burn.
    Frankly it doesn't matter to me, I'm very unlikely to pay higher rate taxes again .

    Perhaps George can restore parts of the unfair provisions in FAS and PPF. with the windfall from the fatcats.
    Me likewise and it's always been unfair to give higher rate tax relief fir the rich. The Tory right/UKIP just don't get this governing thing any more than the Corbynistas.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Mr. Llama, aim is to be equal opportunities as far as deriding politics goes. The new alcohol guidelines story has already provided an obvious line.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,306

    Mr. 1983, Conservatives would be daft to take Carswell back. They've set a good precedent for defections to UKIP [from a blue perspective], and just letting Carswell return would provide a safety net for those contemplating defection. Better for them to think of Reckless' fate.

    Yes, there is that view.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    kle4 said:

    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    FPT.
    The MikeK political predictions for 2016.

    1. Dave will delay EU referendum until early 2017 after polls in May show LEAVE with 4% lead

    2. Farage will resign Leadership of UKIP in March or April 2016

    3. Corbyn suffers ill health June and guess who takes over the leadership?

    4. The Donald wins in Iowa by a hair and handsomely in New Hampshire.

    5. EU closes most of it's borders. Merkel is smothered.

    Edit: My crystal Ball is too fogged up to predict the London Mayors race.

    What happened to the 50+ MPs that you predicted UKIP were going to win at GE2015?
    That was when I was reading the cards, now I'm using my crystal ball. Very different.
    You won't find success until you start reading entrails.
    :D
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Mr. Llama, aim is to be equal opportunities as far as deriding politics goes. The new alcohol guidelines story has already provided an obvious line.

    Oh, pish and tish! Being equal means heaping as much scorn onto good people proposing sensible policies (such as firing idiots into the Sun from giant space cannons) as that poured over busy-body cretins who come up with complete nonsense (like not drinking for arbitrary periods). Equality is a daft idea normally only resorted to by weak willed ninnies.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    felix said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html

    Truly, I hope Osborne will crash and burn.
    Frankly it doesn't matter to me, I'm very unlikely to pay higher rate taxes again .

    Perhaps George can restore parts of the unfair provisions in FAS and PPF. with the windfall from the fatcats.
    Me likewise and it's always been unfair to give higher rate tax relief fir the rich. The Tory right/UKIP just don't get this governing thing any more than the Corbynistas.
    Paying income tax at 40% doesn't make you rich.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Mr. Llama, I meant non-partisan, of course.

    One is shocked and appalled you'd ever think Sir Edric might have ill judgement.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799

    Mr. Llama, aim is to be equal opportunities as far as deriding politics goes. The new alcohol guidelines story has already provided an obvious line.

    I know I'm taking a reckless guess at this point, but I presume that the new guidelines are more, rather than less, restrictive.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    3 halves of beer
    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Llama, aim is to be equal opportunities as far as deriding politics goes. The new alcohol guidelines story has already provided an obvious line.

    I know I'm taking a reckless guess at this point, but I presume that the new guidelines are more, rather than less, restrictive.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Stephen Daisley
    I'm told the contents of this tweet are zoomtastic but I can't get past Eoin using the phrase "my humble opinion". https://t.co/OvDsACW3xn
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Mr. Llama, I meant non-partisan, of course.

    One is shocked and appalled you'd ever think Sir Edric might have ill judgement.

    Of course I don't think that. Sir Edric is in many ways the Acme of the English, what young Englishmen should aspire to become. That said he is not perfect as demonstrated by his lust for that bloody Elf, Lysandra.

    @Sean_F

    The doctors are now, supposedly, saying we should abstain two days a week. Never heard such nonsense. I am going to ask my medicus which days he will be choosing, I don't anticipate a straight answer.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799

    Mr. Llama, I meant non-partisan, of course.

    One is shocked and appalled you'd ever think Sir Edric might have ill judgement.

    Of course I don't think that. Sir Edric is in many ways the Acme of the English, what young Englishmen should aspire to become. That said he is not perfect as demonstrated by his lust for that bloody Elf, Lysandra.

    @Sean_F

    The doctors are now, supposedly, saying we should abstain two days a week. Never heard such nonsense. I am going to ask my medicus which days he will be choosing, I don't anticipate a straight answer.
    Isn't Sir Edric basically Sir Harry Flashman, in a different time and place?
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    If there’s one part of the UK that probably wasn’t waking up with a pounding headache and a sense of regret this morning, it was Foula, a Shetland Island that has yet to celebrate Christmas or New Year.
    The residents of Foula celebrate the festive season according to the old Julian calendar, which means Christmas, or ‘Yule’ falls on 6 January and New Year’s Day falls on 13 January.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/01/theres-a-place-in-britain-that-still-hasnt-celebrated-christmas-or-new-year-5595838/#ixzz3w0wjaC8t
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Over the Pond, a bad start to 2016 for Ben Carson:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-carson-idUSKBN0UE17520160101

    You do wonder whether he'll even make it to Iowa at this rate. My guess would be yes, as you never know what that state might throw up via the caucus, but the odds ought to be heavily against him still being in the race come Super Tuesday.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Mr. F, one of the beta readers did compare the two, although I've never actually read a Flashman book [and now I can't, because any coincidence is just that, but if I read them and see similarities I'll feel like I'm copying].

    Mr. F (2), indeed. Puritans shrieking with delight as they get a new round of ordering everyone else about.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Llama, I meant non-partisan, of course.

    One is shocked and appalled you'd ever think Sir Edric might have ill judgement.

    Of course I don't think that. Sir Edric is in many ways the Acme of the English, what young Englishmen should aspire to become. That said he is not perfect as demonstrated by his lust for that bloody Elf, Lysandra.

    @Sean_F

    The doctors are now, supposedly, saying we should abstain two days a week. Never heard such nonsense. I am going to ask my medicus which days he will be choosing, I don't anticipate a straight answer.
    Isn't Sir Edric basically Sir Harry Flashman, in a different time and place?
    Sort of, Mr. F, but without the naughty bits. They are both examples of the archetypal English hero who has starred in literature for centuries.
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    3 halves of beer

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Llama, aim is to be equal opportunities as far as deriding politics goes. The new alcohol guidelines story has already provided an obvious line.

    I know I'm taking a reckless guess at this point, but I presume that the new guidelines are more, rather than less, restrictive.
    The 3 halves thingy.
    That is per hour you spend in the pub?
    Seems quite reasonable to me.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :wink:

    3 halves of beer

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Llama, aim is to be equal opportunities as far as deriding politics goes. The new alcohol guidelines story has already provided an obvious line.

    I know I'm taking a reckless guess at this point, but I presume that the new guidelines are more, rather than less, restrictive.
    The 3 halves thingy.
    That is per hour you spend in the pub?
    Seems quite reasonable to me.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Just how much of a Tory is George Osborne

    George Osborne is toying with the idea of removing a further £30bn in middle-class tax reliefs in his next Budget

    '..It’s a strange irony: that supposedly Right-wing governments, in order to gain wider electoral appeal, find it necessary to ignore their core constituency and shift to the Left. We live in tough times, admittedly, but higher earners might reasonably think they were better off under Mr Blair, who in his own invasion of the centre ground unashamedly shifted Labour to the right and wooed them accordingly.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/12076601/Just-how-much-of-a-Tory-is-George-Osborne.html

    Truly, I hope Osborne will crash and burn.
    Do you see the picture of the 'middle class' that the telegraph chooses to use with this story? Shows what the telegraph thinks of its readers.
    And do you see who is writing this article? Jeremy Warner? Ha - that dope?
    And in any event his article is all about a 'pensions ISA'.
    Only in the last sentence does he speculate without evidence that instead of this Osborne may simply cut tax relief to the basic 20%. Well why not... it gives the telegraph a spectacular headline and it ignores other measures that might be in the next budget measures that might give back some of this 30bn (if it ever happened).
    And double whamy it gets you and HYUDF all worked into a lather as well.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,897

    If there’s one part of the UK that probably wasn’t waking up with a pounding headache and a sense of regret this morning, it was Foula, a Shetland Island that has yet to celebrate Christmas or New Year.
    The residents of Foula celebrate the festive season according to the old Julian calendar, which means Christmas, or ‘Yule’ falls on 6 January and New Year’s Day falls on 13 January.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/01/theres-a-place-in-britain-that-still-hasnt-celebrated-christmas-or-new-year-5595838/#ixzz3w0wjaC8t
    Oh God, I'm glad I never had to cater for Foula when dealing with date'n'time ...
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Evening all.

    The Airport delay is due to the Mayoral elections and bugger all to do with the EU Ref. Basically the usual bollox from Montie.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Llama, I meant non-partisan, of course.

    One is shocked and appalled you'd ever think Sir Edric might have ill judgement.

    Of course I don't think that. Sir Edric is in many ways the Acme of the English, what young Englishmen should aspire to become. That said he is not perfect as demonstrated by his lust for that bloody Elf, Lysandra.

    @Sean_F

    The doctors are now, supposedly, saying we should abstain two days a week. Never heard such nonsense. I am going to ask my medicus which days he will be choosing, I don't anticipate a straight answer.
    Isn't Sir Edric basically Sir Harry Flashman, in a different time and place?
    Sort of, Mr. F, but without the naughty bits. They are both examples of the archetypal English hero who has starred in literature for centuries.
    I always love the blurb for the first Flashman novel:-

    "Can a man who is expelled from Rugby School as a drunken bully,
    Who wantonly seduces his father's mistress,
    Who lies, cheats, and proves a coward on the battlefield.....

    Be all bad?"

    His only failing is that he cheated at cricket.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Worthy of Bruegel, so much going on.

    Startling to think that this will be the image on the new £10 note https://t.co/bQx1B1Mzqu

    Nah ...this one.
    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/01/16/2FB9B2BC00000578-3381257-image-a-3_1451665502065.jpg
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Mr. StClare, One True Voice tells the same sermon every week.

    Mr. F, that sounds (albeit in a fantasy context) strikingly similar to Sir Edric. Most of it, or similar things, happen in the first chapter of the first book :p
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited January 2016
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Llama, I meant non-partisan, of course.

    One is shocked and appalled you'd ever think Sir Edric might have ill judgement.

    Of course I don't think that. Sir Edric is in many ways the Acme of the English, what young Englishmen should aspire to become. That said he is not perfect as demonstrated by his lust for that bloody Elf, Lysandra.

    @Sean_F

    The doctors are now, supposedly, saying we should abstain two days a week. Never heard such nonsense. I am going to ask my medicus which days he will be choosing, I don't anticipate a straight answer.
    Isn't Sir Edric basically Sir Harry Flashman, in a different time and place?
    Sort of, Mr. F, but without the naughty bits. They are both examples of the archetypal English hero who has starred in literature for centuries.
    I always love the blurb for the first Flashman novel:-

    "Can a man who is expelled from Rugby School as a drunken bully,
    Who wantonly seduces his father's mistress,
    Who lies, cheats, and proves a coward on the battlefield.....

    Be all bad?"

    His only failing is that he cheated at cricket.
    All the rest is fair game, but cheating at cricket, well that just isn't cricket sir....and we have to take a very dim view of it.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    MP_SE said:

    Not quite sure why someone who has committed a triple murder is allowed out of prison. Especially after he supposedly threatened to kill a family he had worked for whilst on day release.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3381214/Notorious-police-killer-Harry-Roberts-killed-three-officers-Shepherd-s-Bush-strolls-high-street-carrying-errands-buying-milk-op.html

    I don't know either but on the other hand I cannot see what is the point of the Mail's story: man buys milk, and not forgetting that Earlier in the month Roberts was also spotted popping to the shops to buy a local newspaper.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sad news about Natalie Cole:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI7pr9HUWuQ
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799

    Mr. StClare, One True Voice tells the same sermon every week.

    Mr. F, that sounds (albeit in a fantasy context) strikingly similar to Sir Edric. Most of it, or similar things, happen in the first chapter of the first book :p

    The highlights of Sir Harry's career included marrying bigamously (twice), selling an American girlfriend into slavery, directing an opium-trading company, stealing the crown jewels of a European state, bribing a fellow officer to send his opponent into a duel with an unloaded gun (and then reneging on the deal), serving on board a slave ship (and then turning State's evidence against his fellow Slavers), throwing his Russian girlfriend off a sled to lighten the load when pursued by Cossacks, and starting the Charge of the Light Brigade by mistake.

    There's nothing not to like.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited January 2016
    BREAKING NEWS: Soldiers open fire on car as it tried to ram mosque TWICE in France with bullets wounding driver, passenger and a nearby worshipper

    The attacker had twice rammed his car - which was registered in Savoie, a department to the east - into the four soldiers guarding the mosque.

    The mosque's spokesman Abdallah Imam Dliouah said the driver, who was 'unknown to the mosque', tried to deliberately slam into the four soldiers who were 'responsible for protecting' it.

    -----

    Bit of a weird report, was the guy really trying to ram the mosque or was he trying to get the soldiers. Reading between the lines, the quote from the mosque spokesman suggests that the perp was perhaps somebody who might look like they attend the mosque.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Mr. F, don't do that! I don't want to copy or seem to copy his shenanigans.

    When Temple and Treasure get released later this year I hope you give it a shot.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Llama, I meant non-partisan, of course.

    One is shocked and appalled you'd ever think Sir Edric might have ill judgement.

    Of course I don't think that. Sir Edric is in many ways the Acme of the English, what young Englishmen should aspire to become. That said he is not perfect as demonstrated by his lust for that bloody Elf, Lysandra.

    @Sean_F

    The doctors are now, supposedly, saying we should abstain two days a week. Never heard such nonsense. I am going to ask my medicus which days he will be choosing, I don't anticipate a straight answer.
    Isn't Sir Edric basically Sir Harry Flashman, in a different time and place?
    Sort of, Mr. F, but without the naughty bits. They are both examples of the archetypal English hero who has starred in literature for centuries.
    I always love the blurb for the first Flashman novel:-

    "Can a man who is expelled from Rugby School as a drunken bully,
    Who wantonly seduces his father's mistress,
    Who lies, cheats, and proves a coward on the battlefield.....

    Be all bad?"

    His only failing is that he cheated at cricket.
    All the rest is fair game, but cheating at cricket, well that just isn't cricket sir....and we have to take a very dim view of it.
    It's his one important failing, but then, nobody is perfect.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    So the first EU poll of 2016 has Leave ahead by 1%. Interesting start to the year.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799

    Mr. F, don't do that! I don't want to copy or seem to copy his shenanigans.

    When Temple and Treasure get released later this year I hope you give it a shot.

    Will do. My wife's just been given a kindle, so I'll be able to read it.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    3 halves of beer

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Llama, aim is to be equal opportunities as far as deriding politics goes. The new alcohol guidelines story has already provided an obvious line.

    I know I'm taking a reckless guess at this point, but I presume that the new guidelines are more, rather than less, restrictive.
    I imagine the point of these new recommendations is to be so laughable as to bring the whole concept of having recommended amounts into disrepute.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Mr. F, thanks. Hard copies will also be released :D

    Speaking of technology, did you see about the Scio scanner? It's a bloody tricorder. Except it's real. And smaller than a deck of cards.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1615005/diet-scanners-to-be-fitted-in-smartphones

    Odd world we're living in, with rules on killer robots, VR, and now this.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Mr. Quidder, it's ridiculous. I don't even drink (well, hardly ever) and the limits seem bloody crackers to me.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited January 2016

    3 halves of beer

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Llama, aim is to be equal opportunities as far as deriding politics goes. The new alcohol guidelines story has already provided an obvious line.

    I know I'm taking a reckless guess at this point, but I presume that the new guidelines are more, rather than less, restrictive.
    The 3 halves thingy.
    That is per hour you spend in the pub?
    Seems quite reasonable to me.
    In the case of the recently deceased Lemme, that would be 3 halves of vodka per hour....
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    AndyJS said:

    So the first EU poll of 2016 has Leave ahead by 1%. Interesting start to the year.

    Point of pedantry it is the last EU referendum poll of 2015
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,580

    3 halves of beer

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Llama, aim is to be equal opportunities as far as deriding politics goes. The new alcohol guidelines story has already provided an obvious line.

    I know I'm taking a reckless guess at this point, but I presume that the new guidelines are more, rather than less, restrictive.
    I imagine the point of these new recommendations is to be so laughable as to bring the whole concept of having recommended amounts into disrepute.
    First they say so-called 'binge drinking', i.e. drinking only once or twice a week, is bad. Then they say drinking every day is bad. Make your mind up, nanny state.

    Better guidance would be 'only drink real ale and single malt'. None of this wine nonsense or hipstery craft gin.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    3 halves of beer

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Llama, aim is to be equal opportunities as far as deriding politics goes. The new alcohol guidelines story has already provided an obvious line.

    I know I'm taking a reckless guess at this point, but I presume that the new guidelines are more, rather than less, restrictive.
    I imagine the point of these new recommendations is to be so laughable as to bring the whole concept of having recommended amounts into disrepute.
    Actually it's 3 pints.

    You will just have to drink the top three half's of the three pints to get to the bottom three half's which is where your daily allowance resides.

    :wink:
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited January 2016
    Looks like the new puritans are out of control with their alcohol recommendations.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/wheres-all-the-joy-gone/
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    If there’s one part of the UK that probably wasn’t waking up with a pounding headache and a sense of regret this morning, it was Foula, a Shetland Island that has yet to celebrate Christmas or New Year.
    The residents of Foula celebrate the festive season according to the old Julian calendar, which means Christmas, or ‘Yule’ falls on 6 January and New Year’s Day falls on 13 January.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/01/theres-a-place-in-britain-that-still-hasnt-celebrated-christmas-or-new-year-5595838/#ixzz3w0wjaC8t
    Electricity, internet ?
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