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edited January 2016 in General

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,401
    edited January 2016
    I was up until 2am covering on PB Corbyn's first shadow cabinet appointments.

    He does like to drag it out.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    But the reality is, Mr Corbyn wanted to use this reshuffle to assert his authority, and that’s what he has done. His critics in the shadow cabinet have been effectively neutered. They have been reminded they serve at his pleasure, and that public displays of disloyalty will no longer be tolerated.

    So there will be no more public displays of disloyalty. Labour’s leader has his moment of revenge. And it is a sweet one.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12081373/Jeremy-Corbyn-reshuffle-dan-hodges.html
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Hilary Benitez
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I was up until 2am covering Corbyn's first shadow cabinet appointments.

    He does like to drag it out.

    You'd be safer off going to bed.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    It is not so much dragging it out as not really having a scooby as to what he is doing.

    Never was a man so unfit for the post he now holds.
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    DavidBrackenburyDavidBrackenbury Posts: 353
    Unhappy faces over at the Guardian CIF! Corbyn has painted himself into a dammed if he reshuffles, dammed if he doesn't!! Great PR...
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    19.14
    Corbyn's press team reportedly due to brief journalists imminently on changes
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Scott_P said:

    19.14
    Corbyn's press team reportedly due to brief journalists imminently on changes

    So another 4 or 5 hours...
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2016
    oxfordsimon said:

    Scott_P said:

    19.14
    Corbyn's press team reportedly due to brief journalists imminently on changes

    So another 4 or 5 hours...
    ... of spineless Labour MPs griping to the media, rather than growing a pair and actively doing something about Corbyn.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    They’ll be no reshuffle until next May!

    Actually I'm beginning to think the idiot Dr Eoin Clarke is a figment of the gutter press.
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    GravitationGravitation Posts: 281
    Anybody got a link to the tables of the Yougov poll discussed earlier? Many thanks
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    If this type of shuffle had been attempted at a bar room table in Tombstone The Corbynista Kid would have had been shot by now.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,893
    Scott_P said:

    19.14
    Corbyn's press team reportedly due to brief journalists imminently on changes

    I hope this is worth staying up for. He's got half an hour before sleep decides to get the better of me.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,401
    Gravitation said:

    Anybody got a link to the tables of the Yougov poll discussed earlier? Many thanks

    Here you go

    http://tinyurl.com/CorbynIsCrapperThanHannibal
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Is that a threat?

    @VickiYoung01: Ken Livingstone says there will be several other #reshuffles caused by illness or death..... #c4news
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Gravitation said:

    Anybody got a link to the tables of the Yougov poll discussed earlier? Many thanks

    Here you go

    http://tinyurl.com/CorbynIsCrapperThanHannibal
    Nice URL :p
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,893
    edited January 2016
    George Eaton's added tweet above makes a really good point. If Benn stays - but only because he refused to move and Corbyn didn't dare sack him - then all the advance leaks make JC look even weaker than before, if that were possible.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Scott_P said:

    Is that a threat?

    @VickiYoung01: Ken Livingstone says there will be several other #reshuffles caused by illness or death..... #c4news

    Clearly a wonderful advocate for the new, kinder politics.

    You don't reshuffle your colleagues - you dispose of them.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @rosschawkins: So: right now we don't know and no one will tell us whether Hilary Benn is or is not the shadow foreign secretary.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: So: right now we don't know and no one will tell us whether Hilary Benn is or is not the shadow foreign secretary.

    Schrodinger's Benn
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @rosschawkins: And tomorrow pm makes statement on European Council to Commons

    And the reply will be made by...

    Umm,

    Hang on,

    We'll get back to you.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Gravitation said:

    Anybody got a link to the tables of the Yougov poll discussed earlier? Many thanks

    Here you go

    http://tinyurl.com/CorbynIsCrapperThanHannibal
    Wow @ the 60+ voting intention!
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: And tomorrow pm makes statement on European Council to Commons

    And the reply will be made by...

    Umm,

    Hang on,

    We'll get back to you.

    By the LotO ?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    19.14
    Corbyn's press team reportedly due to brief journalists imminently on changes

    I hope this is worth staying up for. He's got half an hour before sleep decides to get the better of me.
    I'm about to go out for a very pleasant lunch overlooking one of my favourite views of the Pacific

    They should be a bit more advanced by the time I'm done :)
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    GravitationGravitation Posts: 281
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Gravitation said:

    Anybody got a link to the tables of the Yougov poll discussed earlier? Many thanks

    Here you go

    http://tinyurl.com/CorbynIsCrapperThanHannibal
    Cheers TSE
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    oxfordsimon said:

    Scott_P said:

    Is that a threat?

    @VickiYoung01: Ken Livingstone says there will be several other #reshuffles caused by illness or death..... #c4news

    Clearly a wonderful advocate for the new, kinder politics.

    You don't reshuffle your colleagues - you dispose of them.
    icepick
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Gravitation said:

    Anybody got a link to the tables of the Yougov poll discussed earlier? Many thanks

    Here you go

    http://tinyurl.com/CorbynIsCrapperThanHannibal
    Nice URL :p
    Crapper did invent the water closet. Meantime Labour are a busted flush.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Moses_ said:

    If this type of shuffle had been attempted at a bar room table in Tombstone The Corbynista Kid would have had been shot by now.

    Edstone. Bunfight at the JC Corral
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    News or no news?
    Reports were swirling about 15 minutes ago that Corbyn’s team would be briefing out announcements imminently, but those are being played down now.
    In short, nobody knows when we might hear anything official – and if there is even anything official to be briefed as of yet. Could be tonight, could be tomorrow.
    Confusion reigns.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,287
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Gravitation said:

    Anybody got a link to the tables of the Yougov poll discussed earlier? Many thanks

    Here you go

    http://tinyurl.com/CorbynIsCrapperThanHannibal
    Why is YouGov STILL overweighting 18 to 24s massively?

    They only have 2.4 times as many over 60s as 18 to 24s (in the weighted sample).

    That means they are assuming an almost identical turnout (as % of population!) amongst 18 to 24s as over 60s.

    Words fail me. Stop. Think. Does this look sensible?

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    It's rare to get this much attention - well, Corbyn fans are right about one thing, they do get an inordinate amount of attention, mostly negative, from the media. But it's a compliment really, as it is more interesting than such things usually are.
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    GravitationGravitation Posts: 281
    MP_SE said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Gravitation said:

    Anybody got a link to the tables of the Yougov poll discussed earlier? Many thanks

    Here you go

    http://tinyurl.com/CorbynIsCrapperThanHannibal
    Wow @ the 60+ voting intention!
    *Tries not to gloat about Scottish subsample*
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,287
    Why does someone not do an absolutely massive sample of the Market Registers (or whatever they are called) from 2015 GE.

    Establish what % of the number of people who voted are in each age group.

    Then, when you do a poll, weight it to the age groups as above.

    It is so, so, simple - unbelievable that this still isn't being handled properly.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,893
    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    19.14
    Corbyn's press team reportedly due to brief journalists imminently on changes

    I hope this is worth staying up for. He's got half an hour before sleep decides to get the better of me.
    I'm about to go out for a very pleasant lunch overlooking one of my favourite views of the Pacific

    They should be a bit more advanced by the time I'm done :)
    Ah, the joys of Pacific Time. If @TSE's 2am GMT from last time happens again, that will nicely coincide with the alarm clock here. :D
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I was up until 2am covering on PB Corbyn's first shadow cabinet appointments.

    He does like to drag it out.

    Working into the early hours of the morning...didn't Thatcher used to do the same? Clearly he is positively Thatcherite.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,295
    Scott_P said:

    News or no news?
    Reports were swirling about 15 minutes ago that Corbyn’s team would be briefing out announcements imminently, but those are being played down now.
    In short, nobody knows when we might hear anything official – and if there is even anything official to be briefed as of yet. Could be tonight, could be tomorrow.
    Confusion reigns.

    Let's get some perspective. No one cares.

    And I don't say that in the sense that no one cares because they are so hopeless that any reshuffle..deck chairs on the Titanic...amusement value...etc...

    Although that is true, I say no one cares because the population at large doesn't care. It is endlessly amusing for us lot but out "there", it is so much noise when the real questions for real people are: the size of my credit card bill, will Chelsea make it into Europe, I am struggling to complete my first week back at work, etc...
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: And tomorrow pm makes statement on European Council to Commons

    And the reply will be made by...

    Umm,

    Hang on,

    We'll get back to you.

    By the LotO ?
    Surely even if he can't sack Benn Corbyn is not yet so weakened that Benn will replace him :wink:
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I was up until 2am covering on PB Corbyn's first shadow cabinet appointments.

    He does like to drag it out.

    Working into the early hours of the morning...didn't Thatcher used to do the same? Clearly he is positively Thatcherite.
    Its against the EU Working Rules Agreement isn't it? Shame on TSE.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    TOPPING said:

    Scott_P said:

    News or no news?
    Reports were swirling about 15 minutes ago that Corbyn’s team would be briefing out announcements imminently, but those are being played down now.
    In short, nobody knows when we might hear anything official – and if there is even anything official to be briefed as of yet. Could be tonight, could be tomorrow.
    Confusion reigns.

    Let's get some perspective ... etc...
    Correct, good point well made.

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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    TOPPING said:

    Scott_P said:

    News or no news?
    Reports were swirling about 15 minutes ago that Corbyn’s team would be briefing out announcements imminently, but those are being played down now.
    In short, nobody knows when we might hear anything official – and if there is even anything official to be briefed as of yet. Could be tonight, could be tomorrow.
    Confusion reigns.

    Let's get some perspective. No one cares.

    And I don't say that in the sense that no one cares because they are so hopeless that any reshuffle..deck chairs on the Titanic...amusement value...etc...

    Although that is true, I say no one cares because the population at large doesn't care. It is endlessly amusing for us lot but out "there", it is so much noise when the real questions for real people are: the size of my credit card bill, will Chelsea make it into Europe, I am struggling to complete my first week back at work, etc...
    The last one really defeated me today. Back home with a headache and all the lights off. :/
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Jeremy Hunt sidelining himself in future junior doctor talks, probably a good move in my opinion.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/secretary-of-state-for-health-writes-to-chair-of-the-bma
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Looks like I chose the wrong year to give up popcorn...
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,605
    So have Corbyn and Benn been agreeing when the former will hand over to the latter?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Looks like I chose the wrong year to give up popcorn...

    If you hadn't you would probably have broken all records for obesity by about, er...any suggestions?
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    It is so reassuring to watch the fabled,famously slick, Labour Party organisation clicking into place....and they want to run the country....heheh
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Maria Eagle arrives. Says she doesn't know if she will hold on. "I don't know we will have to see"
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,775
    oxfordsimon said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: So: right now we don't know and no one will tell us whether Hilary Benn is or is not the shadow foreign secretary.

    Schrodinger's Benn
    He's gone.

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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Omnium said:

    oxfordsimon said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: So: right now we don't know and no one will tell us whether Hilary Benn is or is not the shadow foreign secretary.

    Schrodinger's Benn
    He's gone.

    If Benn isn't gone, then this whole gig has been for nothing.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    SandyRentool said:

    So have Corbyn and Benn been agreeing when the former will hand over to the latter?

    Might be the only way Labour will staunch the flow of blood.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Somewhere in the City, Richard Burgon is looking around for reception on his phone to see if he can leave the streets of this strange and unwelcoming place and return to the warmth of his kin.
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited January 2016
    @Scott_P

    "@rosschawkins: So: right now we don't know and no one will tell us whether Hilary Benn is or is not the shadow foreign secretary.'


    It doesn't matter and no one cares.

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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @rosschawkins: Best Westminster-bubble popping tweet of night https://t.co/hsfY9d75bn
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Best Westminster-bubble popping tweet of night https://t.co/hsfY9d75bn

    You mean normal people don't care about these things? Why I never, I shall need to reassess my priorities.

    Still, we do need telling sometimes.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    It's looking good for my prediction from the other day that the reshuffle would be a huge damp squib, with all the relevant people (including Benn) staying put and the only casualties being of the rank-and-file like Dugher.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    (And now after I've so delightfully tempted fate, I'll await the tweet announcing Benn has been sacked after all....)
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    This is reminiscent of the glory days of Tony Blair - the unforgettable time he announced that Charles Clarke had accepted the post of Foreign Secretary while Charles Clarke was announcing his sacking to the media and saying Blair didn't have a clue what he was doing.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,401
    ydoethur said:

    This is reminiscent of the glory days of Tony Blair - the unforgettable time he announced that Charles Clarke had accepted the post of Foreign Secretary while Charles Clarke was announcing his sacking to the media and saying Blair didn't have a clue what he was doing.

    Blair's best reshuffle was the one where he abolished the role of Lord Chancellor, then had to backtrack when it was pointed out he needed to pass primary legislation to abolish the role.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    edited January 2016
    The headline on guardian.com is currently 'no news'

    Great deflection from the train strike. Agent Corbyn helps the blues again.
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    Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Ben ‏@Jamin2g 6m6 minutes ago
    Zinedine Zidane appointed Real Madrid manager. Bold move by Corbyn.
    #Reshuffle
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    edited January 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    This is reminiscent of the glory days of Tony Blair - the unforgettable time he announced that Charles Clarke had accepted the post of Foreign Secretary while Charles Clarke was announcing his sacking to the media and saying Blair didn't have a clue what he was doing.

    Blair's best reshuffle was the one where he abolished the role of Lord Chancellor, then had to backtrack when it was pointed out he needed to pass primary legislation to abolish the role.
    I had forgotten that remarkably illustrious cock-up, but in my defence I was only 16 at the time.

    PS - surely even Corbyn couldn't abolish the post of SFS only to find out there needs to be someone to answer this statement tomorrow? Surely?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    This is reminiscent of the glory days of Tony Blair - the unforgettable time he announced that Charles Clarke had accepted the post of Foreign Secretary while Charles Clarke was announcing his sacking to the media and saying Blair didn't have a clue what he was doing.

    Blair's best reshuffle was the one where he abolished the role of Lord Chancellor, then had to backtrack when it was pointed out he needed to pass primary legislation to abolish the role.
    You'd think a lawyer would know that, wouldn't you.

    Blair was terrible at reshuffles. I'd forgotten that.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Breaking...

    Richard Burgon appointed and promoted in to ShadCab in a new post as Shadow Minister of Popcorn inducement and Density.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Mortimer said:

    The headline on guardian.com is currently 'no news'

    Great deflection from the train strike. Agent Corbyn helps the blues again.

    The welsh train strike?
    So this incompetence is a ploy to deflect from Labour incompetence in Wales?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,401
    edited January 2016
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    This is reminiscent of the glory days of Tony Blair - the unforgettable time he announced that Charles Clarke had accepted the post of Foreign Secretary while Charles Clarke was announcing his sacking to the media and saying Blair didn't have a clue what he was doing.

    Blair's best reshuffle was the one where he abolished the role of Lord Chancellor, then had to backtrack when it was pointed out he needed to pass primary legislation to abolish the role.
    I had forgotten that remarkably illustrious cock-up, but in my defence I was only 16 at the time.
    He had no respect for our constitution or history, he thought he could abolish a 1,400 year old role just like that.

    Further proof degrees from Oxford are rubbish
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Breaking...

    Richard Burgon appointed and promoted in to ShadCab in a new post as Shadow Minister of Popcorn inducement and Density.

    Can Burgon be the guest of honour at next pb meet? It would be in the city, after all...
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Breaking...

    Richard Burgon appointed and promoted in to ShadCab in a new post as Shadow Minister of Popcorn inducement and Density.

    Too complicated for him.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    flightpath01 said:

    Mortimer said:

    The headline on guardian.com is currently 'no news'

    Great deflection from the train strike. Agent Corbyn helps the blues again.

    The welsh train strike?
    So this incompetence is a ploy to deflect from Labour incompetence in Wales?
    Chortle!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,401
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    This is reminiscent of the glory days of Tony Blair - the unforgettable time he announced that Charles Clarke had accepted the post of Foreign Secretary while Charles Clarke was announcing his sacking to the media and saying Blair didn't have a clue what he was doing.

    Blair's best reshuffle was the one where he abolished the role of Lord Chancellor, then had to backtrack when it was pointed out he needed to pass primary legislation to abolish the role.
    I had forgotten that remarkably illustrious cock-up, but in my defence I was only 16 at the time.

    PS - surely even Corbyn couldn't abolish the post of SFS only to find out there needs to be someone to answer this statement tomorrow? Surely?
    After the Tory wipeout in 1997, John Major acted as Shadow Foreign Secretary for a few weeks.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Mortimer said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Breaking...

    Richard Burgon appointed and promoted in to ShadCab in a new post as Shadow Minister of Popcorn inducement and Density.

    Can Burgon be the guest of honour at next pb meet? It would be in the city, after all...
    He's too busy to make it up there.

    Richard Burgon MP ‏@RichardBurgon 31 Dec 2015
    Happy New Year from Leeds! Happier than I look! And here's to finishing unfinished business of "The Enemy Within".
    Embedded image permalink
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    edited January 2016
    The Yougov poll places Cameron at +46 on a left to right scale but Corbyn on an astonishing -76. Farron is at -10 and Farage at +61. Corbyn is now seen as even more leftwing than Farage is seen as rightwing
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/pw2zwai9dn/Times_Results_151218-Website.pdf
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,893
    edited January 2016
    Anything in this comment?

    https://twitter.com/MaryCreaghMP/status/684100120460292096
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    In the kitchen I trust..

    Jess Phillips MP ✔ @jessphillips
    It's a good job I'm not being called to meeting with Jeremy these Billy bookcases won't put themselves up.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited January 2016
    HYUFD said:

    Tonight's Yougov poll places Cameron at +46 on a left to right scale but Corbyn on an astonishing -76. Farron is at -10 and Farage at +61. Corbyn is now seen as even more leftwing than Farage is seen as rightwing
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/pw2zwai9dn/Times_Results_151218-Website.pdf

    However, the Conservative Party as a whole is seen as marginally more right-wing than the Labour Party as a whole is seen as left-wing.
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    GravitationGravitation Posts: 281
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    This is reminiscent of the glory days of Tony Blair - the unforgettable time he announced that Charles Clarke had accepted the post of Foreign Secretary while Charles Clarke was announcing his sacking to the media and saying Blair didn't have a clue what he was doing.

    Blair's best reshuffle was the one where he abolished the role of Lord Chancellor, then had to backtrack when it was pointed out he needed to pass primary legislation to abolish the role.
    I had forgotten that remarkably illustrious cock-up, but in my defence I was only 16 at the time.

    PS - surely even Corbyn couldn't abolish the post of SFS only to find out there needs to be someone to answer this statement tomorrow? Surely?
    After the Tory wipeout in 1997, John Major acted as Shadow Foreign Secretary for a few weeks.
    Plus Shadow Defence as well.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Cabinet_of_John_Major
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Breaking...

    Richard Burgon appointed and promoted in to ShadCab in a new post as Shadow Minister of Popcorn inducement and Density.


    Why is Richard Burgon getting so much stick today, he's only been in the job since May?
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Mortimer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    This is reminiscent of the glory days of Tony Blair - the unforgettable time he announced that Charles Clarke had accepted the post of Foreign Secretary while Charles Clarke was announcing his sacking to the media and saying Blair didn't have a clue what he was doing.

    Blair's best reshuffle was the one where he abolished the role of Lord Chancellor, then had to backtrack when it was pointed out he needed to pass primary legislation to abolish the role.
    You'd think a lawyer would know that, wouldn't you.

    Blair was terrible at reshuffles. I'd forgotten that.
    To be fair, most lawyers would know that there was a Lord Chancellor - not how the post came about or how entrenched it was in legislation. It is not the sort of constitutional nicety that is covered in any course.

    (And I speak as someone who has been through the Oxford Jurisprudence course!)
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tonight's Yougov poll places Cameron at +46 on a left to right scale but Corbyn on an astonishing -76. Farron is at -10 and Farage at +61. Corbyn is now seen as even more leftwing than Farage is seen as rightwing
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/pw2zwai9dn/Times_Results_151218-Website.pdf

    However, the Conservative Party as a whole is seen as more right-wing than the Labour Party as a whole is seen as left-wing.
    At present ;)
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    SimonStClare said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Breaking...

    Richard Burgon appointed and promoted in to ShadCab in a new post as Shadow Minister of Popcorn inducement and Density.


    Why is Richard Burgon getting so much stick today, he's only been in the job since May?
    There's been to time until now as we've all been so busy....
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Wanderer said:

    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tonight's Yougov poll places Cameron at +46 on a left to right scale but Corbyn on an astonishing -76. Farron is at -10 and Farage at +61. Corbyn is now seen as even more leftwing than Farage is seen as rightwing
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/pw2zwai9dn/Times_Results_151218-Website.pdf

    However, the Conservative Party as a whole is seen as more right-wing than the Labour Party as a whole is seen as left-wing.
    At present ;)
    I am going to cling onto anything I can now that that YouGov poll has nullified my "Osborne is statistically tied with Corbyn" line.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,401
    Sky News: Lancashire police are investigating a rape allegation against Simon Danczuk dating back to 2006
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    SimonStClare said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Breaking...

    Richard Burgon appointed and promoted in to ShadCab in a new post as Shadow Minister of Popcorn inducement and Density.


    Why is Richard Burgon getting so much stick today, he's only been in the job since May?
    Quite simple really - he is that poor that he has no understanding of his brief - or the issues surrounding the City. Even after 8 months in the job.

    An utter waste of space. And wind - if the reports of fart-gate are to be believed.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,893
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sky News: Lancashire police are investigating a rape allegation against Simon Danczuk dating back to 2006

    Arising from the first wife's comments in yesterday's MoS I presume?
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sky News: Lancashire police are investigating a rape allegation against Simon Danczuk dating back to 2006

    A nicer, kinder politics.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Maria Eagle not looking happy. Says no comment. "I have nothing to say." Would not say if she was still in shadow cabinet or shad defence
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    SimonStClare said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Breaking...

    Richard Burgon appointed and promoted in to ShadCab in a new post as Shadow Minister of Popcorn inducement and Density.


    Why is Richard Burgon getting so much stick today, he's only been in the job since May?
    He's tipped for the top ... as per my NY tip.

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    TheScreamingEagles said:
    I might do a betting thread about Sol for Sunday.
    Can you squeeze new pbtories fave Rich Burgon in too? He is the newcomer of 2015 and is set to go places this year (not the City though natch)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Lots of questions to Maria Eagle "I have nothing to say, but that shouldn't surprise you". She looked upset TBH.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GerriPeev: Fairly unhappy looking Maria Eagle brushes past. No comment.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Surely Jezza isn't sacking just the women?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,287
    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tonight's Yougov poll places Cameron at +46 on a left to right scale but Corbyn on an astonishing -76. Farron is at -10 and Farage at +61. Corbyn is now seen as even more leftwing than Farage is seen as rightwing
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/pw2zwai9dn/Times_Results_151218-Website.pdf

    However, the Conservative Party as a whole is seen as marginally more right-wing than the Labour Party as a whole is seen as left-wing.
    Sure. But you know what happens in a GE campaign - the leader is everything and amounts to about 90% of the campaign which the public sees.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    SimonStClare said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Breaking...

    Richard Burgon appointed and promoted in to ShadCab in a new post as Shadow Minister of Popcorn inducement and Density.


    Why is Richard Burgon getting so much stick today, he's only been in the job since May?
    I think because he's one of the few who has gotten noticed, but it's because of poor media performances ("not had any meetings with anyone in the City", that sort of thing), making him an obvious figure of mockery.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    edited January 2016
    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tonight's Yougov poll places Cameron at +46 on a left to right scale but Corbyn on an astonishing -76. Farron is at -10 and Farage at +61. Corbyn is now seen as even more leftwing than Farage is seen as rightwing
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/pw2zwai9dn/Times_Results_151218-Website.pdf

    However, the Conservative Party as a whole is seen as marginally more right-wing than the Labour Party as a whole is seen as left-wing.
    By 44% to 52% so little difference, Cameron is seen as fractionally more centrist than his party, Corbyn as well to the left of his party, so as long as Corbyn remains Labour leader it is doomed
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Danny565

    'However, the Conservative Party as a whole is seen as marginally more right-wing than the Labour Party as a whole is seen as left-wing'


    Give Corbyn a chance he's only been leader for 3 months !

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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    HYUFD said:

    The Yougov poll places Cameron at +46 on a left to right scale but Corbyn on an astonishing -76. Farron is at -10 and Farage at +61. Corbyn is now seen as even more leftwing than Farage is seen as rightwing
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/pw2zwai9dn/Times_Results_151218-Website.pdf

    Farage and UKIP are seen as +61 right wing? But I thought they were after the votes of left wing voting labour voters. To be fair only the white ones. What this has to do with membership of the EU is a bit of a conundrum.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    kle4 said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Breaking...

    Richard Burgon appointed and promoted in to ShadCab in a new post as Shadow Minister of Popcorn inducement and Density.


    Why is Richard Burgon getting so much stick today, he's only been in the job since May?
    I think because he's one of the few who has gotten noticed, but it's because of poor media performances ("not had any meetings with anyone in the City", that sort of thing), making him an obvious figure of mockery.
    As one of the original 36 Labour MPs to nominate Jeremy Corbyn the mockery is deserved.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    kle4 said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Breaking...

    Richard Burgon appointed and promoted in to ShadCab in a new post as Shadow Minister of Popcorn inducement and Density.


    Why is Richard Burgon getting so much stick today, he's only been in the job since May?
    I think because he's one of the few who has gotten noticed, but it's because of poor media performances ("not had any meetings with anyone in the City", that sort of thing), making him an obvious figure of mockery.
    Indeed. The term "car crash" is way overused but that interview really merited it.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,401
    This is by Glen is a today's must read

    How is Jeremy Corbyn's Labour faring in elections so far?

    The picture in London is good. Everywhere else, there's little to cheer about

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2016/01/how-jeremy-corbyns-labour-faring-elections-so-far
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    flightpath01 said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Yougov poll places Cameron at +46 on a left to right scale but Corbyn on an astonishing -76. Farron is at -10 and Farage at +61. Corbyn is now seen as even more leftwing than Farage is seen as rightwing
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/pw2zwai9dn/Times_Results_151218-Website.pdf

    Farage and UKIP are seen as +61 right wing? But I thought they were after the votes of left wing voting labour voters. To be fair only the white ones. What this has to do with membership of the EU is a bit of a conundrum.
    UKIP are to the right of the Tories on immigration, the EU and social issues and Farage is probably to the right of Cameron on the economy and public services too
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited January 2016
    Eagle

    "How is Jeremy Corbyn's Labour faring in elections so far?"

    I read a post yesterday from NickP on why he voted for Corbyn and why he'd do the same today....in sum a lefty and an all round good egg.....

    It reminded me of an interview Frank Dobson gave when he was competing with Ken Livingstone for Mayor of London. He told how Livingstone had spent an age explaining to a female voter the danger of nuclear weapons. After a lot of nodding the lady said 'but what are you going to do about getting our bins emptied?'

    The problem with Corbyn is that he's complete rubbish as an opposition leader. He doesn't give the impression of having the first idea what his job entails. So far all he's succeeded in doing is making Osborne look human. I've been Labour cannon fodder since I first started voting. I know no one who sees a Corbyn led Labour Party as other than a joke and that includes me.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is by Glen is a today's must read

    How is Jeremy Corbyn's Labour faring in elections so far?

    The picture in London is good. Everywhere else, there's little to cheer about

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2016/01/how-jeremy-corbyns-labour-faring-elections-so-far

    Labour is London, though, remember.

    Or soon will be.....
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @hansmollman: Political journalists waiting outside Corbyn's office like waiting for the birth of a baby? A dysfunctional, party-splitting baby
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