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  • MarkPack said:

    Now YouGov – please, no return to daily polling

    Amen to that.
  • SeanT said:

    I'd have thought the mass robbery, rape and sexual assault on German women by 1000+ Muslim men in Hamburg, Stuttgart and Cologne on New Year's Eve MIGHT have been worth a mensh.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/koeln-hamburg-stuttgart-was-wir-bisher-wissen-13998010.html

    It's now headline news across Europe. 5 days after it happened. Odd.

    Not Muslim men...men of North African and Arab descent...
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited January 2016
    ''It's now headline news across Europe. 5 days after it happened. Odd.''

    That's quick for that area.

    The Red Army raped up to two million German women between 1944 and 1945, and I didn;t read about it until 2005.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    FPT.

    I have just learned that Jezza was in Saville Row @ lunchtime and ordered two suits of armour.
    https://twitter.com/SophyRidgeSky/status/684370614874943489
  • MikeK said:

    FPT.

    I have just learned that Jezza was in Saville Row @ lunchtime and ordered two suits of armour.
    https://twitter.com/SophyRidgeSky/status/684370614874943489

    Perhaps by the start of February the reshuffle might be finished.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,955

    SeanT said:

    I'd have thought the mass robbery, rape and sexual assault on German women by 1000+ Muslim men in Hamburg, Stuttgart and Cologne on New Year's Eve MIGHT have been worth a mensh.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/koeln-hamburg-stuttgart-was-wir-bisher-wissen-13998010.html

    It's now headline news across Europe. 5 days after it happened. Odd.

    Not Muslim men...men of North African and Arab descent...
    Couldn't possibly be Muslim men - they were pissed....
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Could they do in England what UKIP failed to do?
    https://twitter.com/BreitbartLondon/status/684324470274695168
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited January 2016

    SeanT said:

    I'd have thought the mass robbery, rape and sexual assault on German women by 1000+ Muslim men in Hamburg, Stuttgart and Cologne on New Year's Eve MIGHT have been worth a mensh.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/koeln-hamburg-stuttgart-was-wir-bisher-wissen-13998010.html

    It's now headline news across Europe. 5 days after it happened. Odd.

    Not Muslim men...men of North African and Arab descent...
    Couldn't possibly be Muslim men - they were pissed....
    What like all those ISIS fighters who never drink or do drugs or bang men (then throw the guy they banged off the top of the building for being gay).
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    Dear god tim just been accused of being an Osborne supporter over on his twit.

    His feed is becoming as diverting as CiF.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Is this the problem?

    @JohnRentoul: Andy Burnham made Dugher's appointment a condition of taking shad cab job himself, reported @MLeftly https://t.co/qk9amiLUlR
  • TOPPING said:

    Dear god tim just been accused of being an Osborne supporter over on his twit.

    His feed is becoming as diverting as CiF.

    LOL...if Tim wasn't already angry enough, being accused of being an Osborne supporter must be the ultimate insult to him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,955
    This reshuffle is reminding me of that glorious Father Ted scene where Dougal spots there's a small dent in the car. So Father Ted sets about remedying it with a small hammer.

    http://ic.c4assets.com/brands/father-ted/series-2/episode-2/df4011bc-1e65-412a-8716-187dde4c8b3d_625x352.jpg?interpolation=progressive-bicubic&output-quality=90&output-format=jpeg&resize=625px:352px
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    SeanT said:

    I'd have thought the mass robbery, rape and sexual assault on German women by 1000+ Muslim men in Hamburg, Stuttgart and Cologne on New Year's Eve MIGHT have been worth a mensh.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/koeln-hamburg-stuttgart-was-wir-bisher-wissen-13998010.html

    It's now headline news across Europe. 5 days after it happened. Odd.

    While it may be politically incorrect or offensive to some here, that article just demonstrates that if you import people from the third world, expect third world attitudes to women and a third world education.
    Without mandatory assimilation on arrival (in a Schengen region often not even bothering with the simplest step - registration) this will continue.
  • Neil Manford is the new Blowers - wrong so often as he calls a wicket taken when it's not.
  • Would you have been able to read about it in 1944 Taffy?

    SeanT - Welcome to 2016, unlikley to be the last story following the mass immigration of 2015.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,921
    I wish Corbo would get on with it. I'm a packer down so having to do the work of two, and keep up with cricket and political news.

    At this rate he won't need to worry about the reshuffle because it will already May 2020 and he'll have lost the election.
  • Scott_P said:

    Is this the problem?

    @JohnRentoul: Andy Burnham made Dugher's appointment a condition of taking shad cab job himself, reported @MLeftly https://t.co/qk9amiLUlR

    Anyone expect Burnham to stick with any principle or friend?
  • Scott_P said:

    Is this the problem?

    @JohnRentoul: Andy Burnham made Dugher's appointment a condition of taking shad cab job himself, reported @MLeftly https://t.co/qk9amiLUlR

    No problem, its flip flop Andy, the man who adjusts his principles more often than most have hot meals.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Thanks Mark for an interesting piece. I agree that one shouldn't get carried away with "the polls are broken" talk.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Scott_P said:

    Is this the problem?

    @JohnRentoul: Andy Burnham made Dugher's appointment a condition of taking shad cab job himself, reported @MLeftly https://t.co/qk9amiLUlR

    Anyone expect Burnham to stick with any principle or friend?
    Well, friend may be different from principle. Friends can help you out..
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited January 2016
    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: Blimey.. a whisper that Benn might be sacked after all, source tells me they thought they'd avoided a shad cabinet walk out, might not be so

    That's the first good news I have heard today. If some in the shadow cabinet walks out, the answer should be : "Good riddance". There are 220 MPs willing to fill their places.

    .
    I'm not sure about that. Every time I listen to the radio or switch on the TV Labour are being represented by either Diane Abbott or Ken Livingstone. I find Coypu's more appealing
  • Scott_P said:

    Is this the problem?

    @JohnRentoul: Andy Burnham made Dugher's appointment a condition of taking shad cab job himself, reported @MLeftly https://t.co/qk9amiLUlR

    Anyone expect Burnham to stick with any principle or friend?
    I saw a tweet way back at the start of the reshuffle saying something along the lines that Burnham wouldn't stand up for a colleague even if it was Andy Burnham sacked from the cabinet.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    edited January 2016
    SeanT said:

    I'd have thought the mass robbery, rape and sexual assault on German women by 1000+ Muslim men in Hamburg, Stuttgart and Cologne on New Year's Eve MIGHT have been worth a mensh.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/koeln-hamburg-stuttgart-was-wir-bisher-wissen-13998010.html

    It's now headline news across Europe. 5 days after it happened. Odd.

    Disgusting. Time to close up shop to the Muslim world in Europe. We have our own examples here of girls being raped and traded around Muslim men in loads of cities.

    If only you had some pull with a newspaper editor and wrote about it for the media here...
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Syriza leading Greece down the garden path:
    https://twitter.com/GreekAnalyst/status/684373472638824448
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jimwaterson: If Michael Dugher hadn't tweeted his sacking we'd still have no reshuffle news. No official line at all from Team Corbyn after 24 hours.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    taffys said:

    ''It's now headline news across Europe. 5 days after it happened. Odd.''

    That's quick for that area.

    The Red Army raped up to two million German women between 1944 and 1945, and I didn;t read about it until 2005.

    Couldn't be paying much attention then! It was well publicised at the time.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @chrisshipitv: Shadow Cabinet source to @adamtimsmith: if @hilarybennmp is sacked, 8 Shadow Ministers will walk out in protest
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,401
    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: Blimey.. a whisper that Benn might be sacked after all, source tells me they thought they'd avoided a shad cabinet walk out, might not be so

    That's the first good news I have heard today. If some in the shadow cabinet walks out, the answer should be : "Good riddance". There are 220 MPs willing to fill their places.

    ...

    But there aren't. If there were, most of the Shadow Cabinet wouldn't be there now.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JBeattieMirror: Chilcot has just told Corbyn to get a move on....
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Lolz. That's spot on.

    Scott_P said:

    Is this the problem?

    @JohnRentoul: Andy Burnham made Dugher's appointment a condition of taking shad cab job himself, reported @MLeftly https://t.co/qk9amiLUlR

    Anyone expect Burnham to stick with any principle or friend?
    I saw a tweet way back at the start of the reshuffle saying something along the lines that Burnham wouldn't stand up for a colleague even if it was Andy Burnham sacked from the cabinet.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Scott_P said:

    Is this the problem?

    @JohnRentoul: Andy Burnham made Dugher's appointment a condition of taking shad cab job himself, reported @MLeftly https://t.co/qk9amiLUlR

    Anyone expect Burnham to stick with any principle or friend?
    I saw a tweet way back at the start of the reshuffle saying something along the lines that Burnham wouldn't stand up for a colleague even if it was Andy Burnham sacked from the cabinet.
    Oh, spot on sir! Never was there a more self seeking politician than him; I even think he beats Cameron by a wisker.
  • Scott_P said:

    Is this the problem?

    @JohnRentoul: Andy Burnham made Dugher's appointment a condition of taking shad cab job himself, reported @MLeftly https://t.co/qk9amiLUlR

    Anyone expect Burnham to stick with any principle or friend?
    I saw a tweet way back at the start of the reshuffle saying something along the lines that Burnham wouldn't stand up for a colleague even if it was Andy Burnham sacked from the cabinet.
    Very funny... and true.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited January 2016
    And to think news was 'imminent' at 7pm yesterday
    Scott_P said:

    @jimwaterson: If Michael Dugher hadn't tweeted his sacking we'd still have no reshuffle news. No official line at all from Team Corbyn after 24 hours.

  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited January 2016
    the reshuffle can't start until Rich Burgon has been reached. That's quite a challenge.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    surbiton said:

    That's the first good news I have heard today. If some in the shadow cabinet walks out, the answer should be : "Good riddance". There are 220 MPs willing to fill their places.

    .

    Unlikely. People like Benn and Falconer are only part of the shadow cabinet right now because there is a dearth of extreme left members on the Labour benches who can fill seats.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    I expect the government could invade Syria this afternoon and it would barely get a mention on the news.

    I loved my times tables. We also learnt a poem every week - and could be called to recite it on Tuesday mornings. I still have great chunks of poetry in my head.

    "Had we but world enough and time......"
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,921

    the reshuffle can't start until Rich Burgon has been reached. That's quite a challenge.

    Presumably he is busy meeting representatives in the city?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,955
    What happens if Corbyn eventually cobbles together a Shadow Cabinet that doesn't have the confidence of the PLP?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,281
    Con down one Peer - Lord Soulsby has retired.

    No real effect as didn't take part in any of the important recent votes on Tax Credits, Electoral Registration or EU Referendum.

    New State of Parties (main 3):

    Con 250, Lab 213, LD 111
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    A good piece Mark, and a great effort over the years to have compiled the definitive record of opinion polling in the UK.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    taffys said:

    ''It's now headline news across Europe. 5 days after it happened. Odd.''

    That's quick for that area.

    The Red Army raped up to two million German women between 1944 and 1945, and I didn;t read about it until 2005.

    LovelyBoyski1983 will be along shortly to claim that US troops were responsible for all those assaults, and anything bad about the Russkis is merely propaganda.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    Scott_P said:

    @JBeattieMirror: Chilcot has just told Corbyn to get a move on....

    LOL, maybe the Chilcot report will come out before Jezza's reshuffle has finished!
  • Cyclefree said:

    ... We also learnt a poem every week - and could be called to recite it on Tuesday mornings. I still have great chunks of poetry in my head.

    "Had we but world enough and time......"

    Hang on, I thought you went to a good Catholic school where reciting that kind of stuff would get you into deep trouble...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @STJamesl: Benn down to do Saudi commons statement this afternoon on list emailed round by Labour whips - so he is safe for today
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    @MShapland: Understand Jeremy Corbyn has sent an all member email asking for feedback from Labour Members about whether he should sack Hillary Benn
  • @MShapland: Understand Jeremy Corbyn has sent an all member email asking for feedback from Labour Members about whether he should sack Hillary Benn

    Things have come to such a pass that I genuinely don't know whether that is satire or not.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    SeanT said:

    I'd have thought the mass robbery, rape and sexual assault on German women by 1000+ Muslim men in Hamburg, Stuttgart and Cologne on New Year's Eve MIGHT have been worth a mensh.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/koeln-hamburg-stuttgart-was-wir-bisher-wissen-13998010.html

    It's now headline news across Europe. 5 days after it happened. Odd.

    There have been quite a lot of articles in the press and online about sexual assaults in Germany, Sweden and elsewhere, particularly in some of the migrant camps, by migrant men.

    As you say, the reaction has been somewhat "meh", as if (a) it's only what's to be expected; (b) it only happens to women so why get too bothered about it; and (3) if a fuss were made, there would be problems with the men and, even worse, something might have to be done.

    It's an utter disgrace. Serious crimes are being committed and our more half-witted feminists are worried about having to read a possibly misogynistic poem at university or how to address a transgender person appearing on the cover of a magazine rather than real traumatic crimes committed against women and girls. This is why feminism has disappeared up its own f*nny.

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    @MShapland: Understand Jeremy Corbyn has sent an all member email asking for feedback from Labour Members about whether he should sack Hillary Benn

    Things have come to such a pass that I genuinely don't know whether that is satire or not.
    Please be real - Best Reshuffle Eva
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    @MShapland: Understand Jeremy Corbyn has sent an all member email asking for feedback from Labour Members about whether he should sack Hillary Benn

    Things have come to such a pass that I genuinely don't know whether that is satire or not.
    Like all the best satire. I'm going to enter "Shadow Cabinet Reshuffle" for the 2016 Turner Prize.
  • Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I'd have thought the mass robbery, rape and sexual assault on German women by 1000+ Muslim men in Hamburg, Stuttgart and Cologne on New Year's Eve MIGHT have been worth a mensh.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/koeln-hamburg-stuttgart-was-wir-bisher-wissen-13998010.html

    It's now headline news across Europe. 5 days after it happened. Odd.

    There have been quite a lot of articles in the press and online about sexual assaults in Germany, Sweden and elsewhere, particularly in some of the migrant camps, by migrant men.

    As you say, the reaction has been somewhat "meh", as if (a) it's only what's to be expected; (b) it only happens to women so why get too bothered about it; and (3) if a fuss were made, there would be problems with the men and, even worse, something might have to be done.

    It's an utter disgrace. Serious crimes are being committed and our more half-witted feminists are worried about having to read a possibly misogynistic poem at university or how to address a transgender person appearing on the cover of a magazine rather than real traumatic crimes committed against women and girls. This is why feminism has disappeared up its own f*nny.

    You also forget the crucially important RHODES MUST FALL....NOW....
  • TomTom Posts: 273
    Message to Surbs, Nick P and Speedy. Regardless of left right/or loyalty/rally round the flag, and notwithstanding the inadequacies of his erstwhile opponents, in the words of Clement Attlee Jeremy is just NOT UP TO IT.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074

    Cyclefree said:

    ... We also learnt a poem every week - and could be called to recite it on Tuesday mornings. I still have great chunks of poetry in my head.

    "Had we but world enough and time......"

    Hang on, I thought you went to a good Catholic school where reciting that kind of stuff would get you into deep trouble...
    Don't believe the stereotypes. The nuns at my primary school were ferocious believers in education for girls. - and very good at it. We were taught everything. I was a year ahead in maths when I joined my secondary school. They also enjoyed a good laugh and, based on what my parents told me, were rather fond of a drink as well. We used to have biology classes in the gardens of the school when the weather was fine so that we could actually learn about trees and plants close up and not just from books.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Scott_P said:

    @STJamesl: Benn down to do Saudi commons statement this afternoon on list emailed round by Labour whips - so he is safe for today

    Depends what he says, I suppose...
  • @MShapland: Understand Jeremy Corbyn has sent an all member email asking for feedback from Labour Members about whether he should sack Hillary Benn

    Things have come to such a pass that I genuinely don't know whether that is satire or not.
    Like all the best satire. I'm going to enter "Shadow Cabinet Reshuffle" for the 2016 Turner Prize.
    It'll only be an award winner if Michael Dugher is t'only casaulty
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

    "And German Justice Minister Heiko Maas tweeted that "we won't tolerate these abhorrent assaults on women - all those responsible must be brought to justice"."

    You bloody let these savages into the country and now are reaping the consequences. Parts of Germany are as safe as India right now for women. That's not the kind of company they should be keeping.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: Shadow Cabinet source to @adamtimsmith: if @hilarybennmp is sacked, 8 Shadow Ministers will walk out in protest

    I thought the point of a reshuffle was to strengthen the party Leader’s standing within the party, instead it seems only to have exposed Jeremy’s weakness and vulnerability within in it.

    Four years to go and we appear to have a dead duck shadow government staggering from one day to the next.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    @MShapland: Understand Jeremy Corbyn has sent an all member email asking for feedback from Labour Members about whether he should sack Hillary Benn

    Things have come to such a pass that I genuinely don't know whether that is satire or not.
    It's got to be satire?

    Surely?

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @LabourMaquis: Fast decisive reshuffles are a neoliberal construct designed to deceive the proletariat
    The True Way™ is being shown by the People's Leader™
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @journodave: it's pronounced reshufflé
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    test - sorry about that last one - afternoon snifters and all that
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    "A policeman who was outside Cologne station during the New Year's Eve trouble told the city's Express news website that he had detained eight suspects. "They were all asylum seekers, carrying copies of their residence certificates," he said."

    Surely they need to have their applications rejected and be flown back to Syria on the next transport. They seem to fit in with the way ISIS behave.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited January 2016
    Asa Bennett
    Can't get enough #reshuffle speculation? Worth reading how Gordon Brown's 2008 one went https://t.co/mVsWqUeW4F https://t.co/tLdrxRRJPca Bennett
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    Thank you.

    One of my all time favourites is "An Irish Airman foresees his death".

    "I know that I shall meet my fate.
    Somewhere in the skies above.
    Those that I fight I do not hate.
    Those that I guard I do not love."

    Yeats is a great poet. But there is so much poetry in the English language, even outside formal poems. And the great advantage of learning poetry and learning to speak it is that you get attuned to the rhythm, the musicality of English. And, if you do, it makes you a better speaker, a better writer.

    Language and music go together. I wince when I hear some of the clod-hopping mangling perpetrated by some of our public speakers. It really should not be possible to mess up English, given what a wonderfully painterly, vivid and muscular language it is.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038

    Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: Shadow Cabinet source to @adamtimsmith: if @hilarybennmp is sacked, 8 Shadow Ministers will walk out in protest

    I thought the point of a reshuffle was to strengthen the party Leader’s standing within the party, instead it seems only to have exposed Jeremy’s weakness and vulnerability within in it.

    Four years to go and we appear to have a dead duck shadow government staggering from one day to the next.
    Four years? On my current popcorn diet I am going to weigh twenty odd stone by then!
  • Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: Shadow Cabinet source to @adamtimsmith: if @hilarybennmp is sacked, 8 Shadow Ministers will walk out in protest

    I thought the point of a reshuffle was to strengthen the party Leader’s standing within the party, instead it seems only to have exposed Jeremy’s weakness and vulnerability within in it.

    Four years to go and we appear to have a dead duck shadow government staggering from one day to the next.
    Surely if Corbyn wants to remove Benn then the thing to do is identify the 8 who stand with him and sack all 9 of them.

    Hard to walk out once you've been sacked.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    Charles said:

    @MShapland: Understand Jeremy Corbyn has sent an all member email asking for feedback from Labour Members about whether he should sack Hillary Benn

    Things have come to such a pass that I genuinely don't know whether that is satire or not.
    It's got to be satire?

    Surely?

    @Charles: I wanted to send you a private mail about something work-related I've been considering. Would you mind if I got in touch, please?
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Charles said:

    @MShapland: Understand Jeremy Corbyn has sent an all member email asking for feedback from Labour Members about whether he should sack Hillary Benn

    Things have come to such a pass that I genuinely don't know whether that is satire or not.
    It's got to be satire?

    Surely?

    Can you tell me, given his leadership so far, that it's impossible?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    edited January 2016
    Pauly said:
    Corbyn better beware the Barnsley mafia. Is not Dan Jarvis, one of the Kings over the water, also a Barnsley MP? Bad move from the Stalinists.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Have we found another secret Don's fan???? There must be loads of them.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,921
    MaxPB said:

    "A policeman who was outside Cologne station during the New Year's Eve trouble told the city's Express news website that he had detained eight suspects. "They were all asylum seekers, carrying copies of their residence certificates," he said."

    Surely they need to have their applications rejected and be flown back to Syria on the next transport. They seem to fit in with the way ISIS behave.

    BBC article waits a long time to point fingers. I assume the German media are being more forthright?

    Merkel's thoughtless promise is really going to hurt - Germany, Europe, and her polling.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''You bloody let these savages into the country and now are reaping the consequences. Parts of Germany are as safe as India right now for women. That's not the kind of company they should be keeping. ''

    Wait until the Trump campaign gets its hands on this stuff...
  • What happens if Corbyn eventually cobbles together a Shadow Cabinet that doesn't have the confidence of the PLP?

    Can the PLP no confidence the Shadow Cabinet?

    Surely whatever Shadow Cabinet he forms is the Shadow Cabinet for as long as he is leader. If they want to remove the Cabinet they need to remove him.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    WTF?!

    @MShapland: Understand Jeremy Corbyn has sent an all member email asking for feedback from Labour Members about whether he should sack Hillary Benn

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Here's my loving tribute to secret Dons fans everywhere -

    https://youtu.be/Y-CeJeq8wf0
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Would you have been able to read about it in 1944 Taffy?

    SeanT - Welcome to 2016, unlikley to be the last story following the mass immigration of 2015.

    When I was a teenager, I read a novel about post-war Germany which covered that issue in passing but as an essential plot element, so it was well-known and documented in the 70s. Presumably so well earlier, but I was not yet of an age to be reading that stuff.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    @MShapland: Understand Jeremy Corbyn has sent an all member email asking for feedback from Labour Members about whether he should sack Hillary Benn

    Things have come to such a pass that I genuinely don't know whether that is satire or not.
    Like all the best satire. I'm going to enter "Shadow Cabinet Reshuffle" for the 2016 Turner Prize.
    wait for the opera.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    Thank you.

    One of my all time favourites is "An Irish Airman foresees his death".

    "I know that I shall meet my fate.
    Somewhere in the skies above.
    Those that I fight I do not hate.
    Those that I guard I do not love."

    Yeats is a great poet. But there is so much poetry in the English language, even outside formal poems. And the great advantage of learning poetry and learning to speak it is that you get attuned to the rhythm, the musicality of English. And, if you do, it makes you a better speaker, a better writer.

    Language and music go together. I wince when I hear some of the clod-hopping mangling perpetrated by some of our public speakers. It really should not be possible to mess up English, given what a wonderfully painterly, vivid and muscular language it is.

    One of my favorite poems (and poets) as well: Kiltartan Cross.

    "My country is Kiltartan Cross,
    My countrymen Kiltartan's poor,
    No likely end could bring them loss
    Or leave them happier than before."
  • I can't wait for the sequel to this reshuffle....
  • Ironic that, under the pre-2011 rules, it would have been the PLP who elected the shadow cabinet.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I can't read the word muscular without laughing at Clegger's swaggering statement.
    Cyclefree said:

    Thank you.

    One of my all time favourites is "An Irish Airman foresees his death".

    "I know that I shall meet my fate.
    Somewhere in the skies above.
    Those that I fight I do not hate.
    Those that I guard I do not love."

    Yeats is a great poet. But there is so much poetry in the English language, even outside formal poems. And the great advantage of learning poetry and learning to speak it is that you get attuned to the rhythm, the musicality of English. And, if you do, it makes you a better speaker, a better writer.

    Language and music go together. I wince when I hear some of the clod-hopping mangling perpetrated by some of our public speakers. It really should not be possible to mess up English, given what a wonderfully painterly, vivid and muscular language it is.

  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: Shadow Cabinet source to @adamtimsmith: if @hilarybennmp is sacked, 8 Shadow Ministers will walk out in protest

    I thought the point of a reshuffle was to strengthen the party Leader’s standing within the party, instead it seems only to have exposed Jeremy’s weakness and vulnerability within in it.

    Four years to go and we appear to have a dead duck shadow government staggering from one day to the next.
    Surely if Corbyn wants to remove Benn then the thing to do is identify the 8 who stand with him and sack all 9 of them.

    ...
    There is a Tarrantino film in there somewhere.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    @MShapland: Understand Jeremy Corbyn has sent an all member email asking for feedback from Labour Members about whether he should sack Hillary Benn

    Things have come to such a pass that I genuinely don't know whether that is satire or not.
    It's got to be satire?

    Surely?

    @Charles: I wanted to send you a private mail about something work-related I've been considering. Would you mind if I got in touch, please?
    Sure. Best address is my screenname, underscore, surname (which I think you know) at btinternet.com

    I don't speak for anyone, though - one of the benefits of primogeniture is that I have all the fun and none of the obligations :)
  • I can't wait for the sequel to this reshuffle....

    The Farce Awakens
  • TOPPING said:

    @MShapland: Understand Jeremy Corbyn has sent an all member email asking for feedback from Labour Members about whether he should sack Hillary Benn

    Things have come to such a pass that I genuinely don't know whether that is satire or not.
    Like all the best satire. I'm going to enter "Shadow Cabinet Reshuffle" for the 2016 Turner Prize.
    wait for the opera.
    Shadow Cabinet Reshuffle - The Musical!
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    @JohnRentoul: I hear @lisanandy has been offered and turned down defence.
  • I can't wait for the sequel to this reshuffle....

    The Farce Awakens
    LOL...Well we have had "A New Hope" or is it "The Phantom Menace"...
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited January 2016
    Steve Hawkes
    What a reshuffle RT @JohnRentoul I hear @lisanandy has been offered and turned down defence.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    Ironic that, under the pre-2011 rules, it would have been the PLP who elected the shadow cabinet.

    Ed really buggered it up for Labour didn't he!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,401

    Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: Shadow Cabinet source to @adamtimsmith: if @hilarybennmp is sacked, 8 Shadow Ministers will walk out in protest

    I thought the point of a reshuffle was to strengthen the party Leader’s standing within the party, instead it seems only to have exposed Jeremy’s weakness and vulnerability within in it.

    Four years to go and we appear to have a dead duck shadow government staggering from one day to the next.
    Corbyn's first reshuffle has come after less than four months in post. He has 52 months to the GE. At this rate, we should get another 12-14 reshuffles or so before then.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,042
    Cyclefree said:

    Thank you.

    One of my all time favourites is "An Irish Airman foresees his death".

    "I know that I shall meet my fate.
    Somewhere in the skies above.
    Those that I fight I do not hate.
    Those that I guard I do not love."

    Yeats is a great poet. But there is so much poetry in the English language, even outside formal poems. And the great advantage of learning poetry and learning to speak it is that you get attuned to the rhythm, the musicality of English. And, if you do, it makes you a better speaker, a better writer.

    Language and music go together. I wince when I hear some of the clod-hopping mangling perpetrated by some of our public speakers. It really should not be possible to mess up English, given what a wonderfully painterly, vivid and muscular language it is.

    Made into a great song by Keane:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbLoYVnh4sY
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    I can't wait for the sequel to this reshuffle....

    Labour have decided to skip the first part of "History repeats itself...". What on earth is going on with these numbskulls?
  • MaxPB said:

    Ironic that, under the pre-2011 rules, it would have been the PLP who elected the shadow cabinet.

    Ed really buggered it up for Labour didn't he!
    At the time it was seen as a measure to keep the loonier MPs out of the shadow cabinet. Now it's turned out to be a way of guaranteeing that the looniest MPs are in the shadow cabinet.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,401

    Charles said:

    @MShapland: Understand Jeremy Corbyn has sent an all member email asking for feedback from Labour Members about whether he should sack Hillary Benn

    Things have come to such a pass that I genuinely don't know whether that is satire or not.
    It's got to be satire?

    Surely?

    Can you tell me, given his leadership so far, that it's impossible?
    It comes to something when the best way to work whether it was satire or not was that had it been real, we'd have found out from a different source first with a copy of the e-mail, rather than the inherent plausibility of it.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    I can't wait for the sequel to this reshuffle....

    The Farce Awakens
    Collect all the shadow cabinet figurines from the Labour gift shop. – While stocks last.
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