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Last Monday, UKIP wandered into another of their controversies over gay rights. Alan Craig, who has in the past called equality campaigners the Gaystapo and described gay marriage as being as bad as the Nazi invasion of Poland, has been selected as a candidate for the London Assembly. Most UKIP supporters are frustrated by the fuss. They don’t believe in a relationship between sexuality an…
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Will "Remain" be able to get the vote out on the day ?
With way less than 1% in:
Trump 24.5
Kasich 24.5
Cruz 24.5
Christie 8
Bush 5.5
Rubio 5.5
Carson 2.5
Fiorina 2.5
Paul 2.5 (write in)
Sanders 60.5
Hillary 32.5
Greenstein 7 (write in)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3438831/Jeremy-Corbyn-deny-Labour-veteran-Jack-Straw-chance-join-House-Lords-IRAQ.html
With 37 people casting votes on the GOP side and 28 on the DNC side, that's way less than 1% of course of precincts.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/09/the-first-votes-of-the-new-hampshire-primary-have-been-cast-heres-who-won-in-midnight-voting/
He was very frustrated by Leave and Dave's comment about immigration/France was his way of framing the debate, and Leave not being at the races.
He said Leave needs to stop looking like a bunch of angry white men obsessed about immigration and Muslims.
He said Leave really needs to be led by a charismatic and articulate non white Muslim chap, then asked me if I knew anyone like that. The git.
One bread and butter issue for me is what staying in the EU or leaving might mean for the financial services sector. The arguments are pretty finely balanced at the moment.
On Topic: Yeahbut.
This poll is unprompted so will naturally come out with issues more directly concerning people. I could think of 3 points/issues that face Britain which are (apparently) more immediate than the EU.
I agree with your conclusion, and whichever side can chime with voters with the simplest message will probably win.
Whichever way the vote goes in a few months, life will continue. The Earth will continue revolving around the Sun. People will be worried about their jobs, or where their kids will go to school. Some will be undergoing cancer treatment, and others will be daydreaming about holidays.
Most people don't care about the EU.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/09/revealed-tennis-umpires-secretly-banned-gambling-scam
Mr AlanBrooke said, "Because I was waiting for some tribal gombeen to claim boom and bust had been abolished."
I haven't heard the term "Gombeen" for many, many years, but there again it is more than twenty years since I was last in Ulster. However, unless my memory has failed completely, "Gombeen" is/was an irish name for what we would call today a loan shark, a role which in Ulster was taken over by the paramilitaries on both sides.
Mr. AlanBrooke's use of the term is therefore an even bigger and multilevel insult than a casual reading might suggest. Was that his intention or did he just start on it early today?
http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/
Of course it's another 12 hours before most precincts close.
For me, whichever way you look at it, the City is on borrowed time. Inside, the whole thing is getting strangled - City am is stacked full of articles complaining about EU over regulation.
Outside, we may lose the passport to the single market, but could re arrange regulation to attract more business from elsewhere.
In end, the EU hates the City and wants to destroy it. If we leave, we will at least save some of it.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32402945
Gay rights and Northern Ireland are important issues. But we're not about to have a referendum on those subjects.
You may not like the fact that Dave thought that promising an in-out referendum was the right thing to do for the country and/or his party. You may not like the fact that the Tories won a majority government at the last election (Dave might not like it much either!).
But the reality is that at some point - probably quite soon - the issue of our membership of the EU will be in the hands of British public. Not well to do lawyers, not politicians, but everyday people.
This referendum is happening, I suggest you deal with it.
EU regulation is the rules. Do you suppose we can impose our own on the EU?
I am an out-waverer but there would be more than an element of government by fax in financial services if we left.
A few of the more well known ones tend to also believe in Homeopathy and be Climate Change deniers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10089986/Ukip-are-outflanking-us-on-herbal-medicine-says-homeopathy-MP.html
@georgeeaton: One way for Corbyn to try and dampen Trident divisions: propose a national referendum.
Health, Jobs, Economy, immigration,...... EU
Issues facing Politicalbetting.com
New Hampshire,.............................................. EU
No. But we can;t do that now, inside the EU. We have no control. And we still have to accept imposed rules.
An independent UK (outside the EEA) could impose its own rules on its own financial markets.
In its way, it's like Ribbentrop assuring Molotov in an air raid shelter that Germany had won the war, and getting the response "If the war is won, whose bombs are we sheltering from?"
Going the way of all female train carriages...
And even if the country voted in favour of Trident Corbyn has already said that he would never use it. So what would be the point? Labour led by Corbyn are a unilateralist party.
I'm sure that Roman emperors had to pay close attention and indulge the hobby horses of the praetorian guard. That doesn't mean that the plebs shared the same obsessions.
That doesn't take into account the strength of the City, and how we could set the agenda that the EU would have to fit in with, including after we leave.
This is something the French and Germans will continually erode if we stay in.
To continue your analogy, if I were a Roman Emperor who'd pissed off the Guard "nobody cares" would be pretty cold comfort.
And absence of credible “leadership” is not necessarily a problem. They just need to play nice. Events in Europe and Cameron’s risible renegotiation make an adequate case for Leave among the undecided who would otherwise go “meh”.
Sums my view up http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/camerons-eu-campaign-is-negative-stupid-and-likely-to-win/
Here we go again. According to today’s Daily Express, leaving the European Union is the only way to ‘save the NHS’. According to the Prime Minister, remaining a member of the european club is the only way to guarantee the United Kingdom’s security.
I suppose it is too much to hope that everyone, on both sides of this increasingly-wearisome argument, will pipe down and cease being so damn stupid? Of course it is. We will be stuck with more – much more – of this until such time as the bleedin’ poll is called and held. This may be the best reason for having the referendum as soon as possible.
I'd add this for the Horsemen reference https://youtu.be/1I4nFgMuciU
c.50% of "the plebs" want to Leave.
You are a fantastically insightful political punter with a huge amount of wisdom to offer this site but, I'm afraid, on subjects like the EU you are just far too emotionally invested and talk a lot of nonsense.
Mostly driven by the fact that those that oppose it are people you viscerally dislike.
Coincidence?
https://twitter.com/bathnes/status/696997226464280576
I'd hope anyone who says they're undecided to genuinely be so and not just appear to be so for the sake of trolling others. I certainly don't believe this is the case with Mr Meeks.
The nature of finance means that the City (from it's pre-eminient position) can in fact parallel EU financial products and take control, and there's nothing they can do about it.
It explains the rest of the article.
Manchester United goalkeeper David de Gea was offered £66m contract by Real Madrid
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/12147795/Manchester-United-goalkeeper-David-de-Geas-Real-Madrid-contract-leaked.html
For the life of me, I can't see how EU membership has any bearing on the NHS.
Another example is the proposed FTT which in its initial proposal was limited to the Eurozone but still forcd parties not in the Eurozone to pay it. Imagine that: a tax levied by the Eurozone but largely paid by those outside it. Do you really think that something like this won't be tried again? And, as far as I can see, we are quite unable to stop it.
Now these may be arcane issue for most people but given how important this sector - and all the associated service industries - are to the current UK economy, this is a pretty important issue and one to which the PM and the Chancellor might have been expected to pay a bit more attention.
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If someone were to poll my opinion on each of those matters, I would express my view. That would not mean that the subject was necessarily one of central importance to me. On at least two of those I would defer to those who I considered experts if I were asked to vote in a referendum on the subject. Opinion polls measure numbers, not strength of feeling.
explain what you mean by saying the City can "parallel EU financial products"?
How do you parallel trade Deutsche Tel, the u/l?
"Now these may be arcane issue for most people but given how important this sector - and all the associated service industries - are to the current UK economy, this is a pretty important issue and one to which the PM and the Chancellor might have been expected to pay a bit more attention."
Indeed. Sadly there's a risk it will be too late before people realise what we've lost.
In the case of Alastair, I think he wants to be undecided (because intellectually he is) but he detests the Kippers on the Leave side, their attitude to gay rights and their focus on immigration so much that he will default to Remain unless he can put these feelings to one side.
My point is that this kind of thing is going to happen anyway, because the EU is essentially completely hostile to the City, whether we are in or out.
The point is that the City does huge business outside continental Europe. If we stay out, and stay outside the EU and outside the EEA we can shelter and nurture this business. As Barclays, says, we will become a safe haven for overseas money.
Inside the EU, they can get at all our business. European, and non-European.
Oh, wait....
Don't really want to back either Cruz or Bush at current odds.
It reminds me of dozens of No One Cares About The EU and LibDems Winning Here threads.
Many people still think the tax payer subsidises banks to the tune of billions. They think their money goes to pay the salaries of bankers.
The ignorance is quite astounding. You can see it on question time.
I want a referendum, and I will probably vote to leave. But the EU is not an issue that features highly on my list of important issues: there are far more bread and butter issues for me. Like getting better.
I have many political conversations with people, or at least conversations that stray onto politics. The EU has not come up for months without me prompting it. The NHS probably features in at least half of them. But that's anecdata.
As for you claiming I've fallen for the "Smithson fallacy": I'd argue that you've fallen for another fallacy that places the EU at far too great an importance in many matters.
Long Cruz, short Bush imo.
For most people a bail out is a gift.
Most people don't understand the fundamentals of company ownership.
I would add though that the overestimation of the salience of the EU is not just limited to the Out side - I've been utterly baffled in recent months by how so many Labour MPs seem to think staying in the EU is one of the top priorities. Liz Kendall for example, in her leadership campaign last year, kept droning on about how the referendum would be "one of the defining issues of our time" -- she was happy to compromise on Labour principles on helping poor people, having well-funded public services, and taking the worker's side over the employer's, yet not being evangelists for the EU was the red line for her.
Being gay gets two sorts of marriage, being straight gets one.
Stone me. It's like a Matthew Parris article that defaults to who he fancies. Dull.
Welcome to the world of financial derivatives.
I think you underestimate bankers if you don't think they could do this.
FTT? Well the arguments against are well-rehearsed. And it was to pay to trade european stocks. There are already taxes on domestic share trading in France, Italy and the UK. The argument against the FTT was that if the UK and the US all agreed to implement it then fine we could think of giving it a go but not otherwise (not that anyone would necessarily have wanted it).
Trust me, MiFID doesn't get any more arcane. It is the giant set of rules that people trade european stocks by. We at present get to put in our oar about how we want MiFID to look. If we were not in the EU we would be presented with it and have to lump it.