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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Tonight’s local by-election line-up has 3 LAB defences and an LD one

Crompton (Lab defence) on Bolton
Result of council at last election (2015): Labour 39, Conservatives 15, Liberal Democrats 3, UKIP 3 (Labour majority of 18)
Result of ward at last election (2014): Labour 2,363 (60%), UKIP 826 (21%), Conservative 456 (12%), Liberal Democrat 148 (4%), Independent 121 (3%)
Candidates duly nominated:

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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    First.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Eastleigh. Boring or fun?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    Ooh a by-election where I grew up, Coventry.
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    Eastleigh is the one to watch.

    Can the Lib Dems hold/fight back in the constituencies they got mullered in at the general election.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    I can't see past a thumping Labour win in Lower Stoke.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    No exciting By-election tonight it seems.
    Even Eastleigh looks safe.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    FPT

    Scott_P said:

    dyingswan said:

    Any junior hospital doctor feeling under undue pressure in England should go to Wales. There the producer interest is paramount. Hip ops take 197 days whereas in England they take 75.Waiting times for diagnosis of cancer heart pneumonia and hernia problems take significantly longer. There is a Labour government. No strikes. The union prevails. No nasty Conservative government demanding reform. Life is just easier.

    @WelshGovernment: We have no plans to impose new contract on #juniordoctors. Wales has strong tradition of working in partnership with everyone in our NHS

    We look after the staff. The patients, not so much...
    Wales has historically struggled to recruit. In part this may be improved by the imbalance between the Welsh and English terms and conditions.

    Any organisation that treats its staff badly is unlikely to get the best out of them. It is true of any public facing industry.
    There is a difference between public facing industries and public sector industries.

    Consumers are more important than producers. When will NHS bods realise this?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Oh and to anyone holding out hope that Rubio might just make it to the convention and get the nomination there, to put your name on the ballot you need to have won at least 8 states and territories.
    That's why Ron Paul didn't make it through in 2012.

    Goodnight.
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    I see Trade Unionist and Socialist party not standing in Coventry this time.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    I think I may have just bought a house :)

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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited February 2016
    Oh God, we're going to have days of talk about a "LIB DEM FIGHTBACK" after they win this Eastleigh seat on the basis of about 15 votes, aren't we.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,157
    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    I hope it is somewhere nice!

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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited February 2016
    Ireland: Seat prognosis for upcoming #GE16 (Irish Election Stats prognosis). #GE2016 #leadersdebate #eleQTNs https://t.co/2LSI2xzxyF
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    If the London property market is so crazy that even a banker can't work out how to pay for a house, that's got to be a reason to vote for Khan and housing reform.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    I hope it is somewhere nice!

    Does St. John's Wood count?
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,001

    Ireland: Seat prognosis for upcoming #GE16 (Irish Election Stats prognosis). #GE2016 #leadersdebate #eleQTNs https://t.co/2LSI2xzxyF

    It's a fine guess but really any of the main parties could be anywhere +- 10 of those figures.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    If the London property market is so crazy that even a banker can't work out how to pay for a house, that's got to be a reason to vote for Khan and housing reform.
    It's the regulations stopping me borrowing as much as I can afford that is the problem!

    My interest coverage and debt to equity ratios are fantastic. Just turning over every cushion to find the equity cheque
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,157
    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    I hope it is somewhere nice!

    Does St. John's Wood count?
    Well, yes it does. And not that far from me. :)

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    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    I hope it is somewhere nice!

    Does St. John's Wood count?
    Hell Yes.

    Is where the cathedral of cricket is.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Spoke too soon:
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/facebook-primary/

    This is a very nice and detailed map of all the support that candidates get in each county in the USA.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    EPG said:

    Ireland: Seat prognosis for upcoming #GE16 (Irish Election Stats prognosis). #GE2016 #leadersdebate #eleQTNs https://t.co/2LSI2xzxyF

    It's a fine guess but really any of the main parties could be anywhere +- 10 of those figures.
    Too early to say, but it looks like a grand coalition with Sinn Fein as the main opposition.

    This is far more interesting:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects Feb 10
    Germany, INSA poll:

    If parties would stand against each other:

    CDU-EPP: 26%
    CSU-EPP: 14%

    Now:

    CDU: 26%
    CSU: 7%

    The CDU-CSU would gain more votes and seats if they where separate parties, they wouldn't need the SPD.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    edited February 2016
    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    If the London property market is so crazy that even a banker can't work out how to pay for a house, that's got to be a reason to vote for Khan and housing reform.
    It's the regulations stopping me borrowing as much as I can afford that is the problem!

    My interest coverage and debt to equity ratios are fantastic. Just turning over every cushion to find the equity cheque
    Should we do a whip-round? :D
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    I hope it is somewhere nice!

    Does St. John's Wood count?
    Well, yes it does. And not that far from me. :)

    You're going to have to show me round then!
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    Mortimer said:

    FPT

    Scott_P said:

    dyingswan said:

    Any junior hospital doctor feeling under undue pressure in England should go to Wales. There the producer interest is paramount. Hip ops take 197 days whereas in England they take 75.Waiting times for diagnosis of cancer heart pneumonia and hernia problems take significantly longer. There is a Labour government. No strikes. The union prevails. No nasty Conservative government demanding reform. Life is just easier.

    @WelshGovernment: We have no plans to impose new contract on #juniordoctors. Wales has strong tradition of working in partnership with everyone in our NHS

    We look after the staff. The patients, not so much...
    Wales has historically struggled to recruit. In part this may be improved by the imbalance between the Welsh and English terms and conditions.

    Any organisation that treats its staff badly is unlikely to get the best out of them. It is true of any public facing industry.
    There is a difference between public facing industries and public sector industries.

    Consumers are more important than producers. When will NHS bods realise this?
    Wales NHS under labour are a disaster.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,001
    Speedy said:

    EPG said:

    Ireland: Seat prognosis for upcoming #GE16 (Irish Election Stats prognosis). #GE2016 #leadersdebate #eleQTNs https://t.co/2LSI2xzxyF

    It's a fine guess but really any of the main parties could be anywhere +- 10 of those figures.
    Too early to say, but it looks like a grand coalition with Sinn Fein as the main opposition.
    Like hell. They hate each other, way more than either hates SF, and they know it will crucify the smaller partner, not just because they all watched the Lib Dems with morbid fascination but because their memberships hate the idea. So I have no money on that outcome.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited February 2016
    RobD said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    If the London property market is so crazy that even a banker can't work out how to pay for a house, that's got to be a reason to vote for Khan and housing reform.
    It's the regulations stopping me borrowing as much as I can afford that is the problem!

    My interest coverage and debt to equity ratios are fantastic. Just turning over every cushion to find the equity cheque
    Should we do a whip-round? :D
    How would you react if I said 'yes please'?

    :tongue:
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Totally off topic, but does anyone else use Virgin cable broadband? It just stops working frequently unlike any other service I've ever used.

    Restarting the router sometimes works, but not every time.

    Worth talking to them, or just changing provider?
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    Speedy said:

    Oh and to anyone holding out hope that Rubio might just make it to the convention and get the nomination there, to put your name on the ballot you need to have won at least 8 states and territories.
    That's why Ron Paul didn't make it through in 2012.

    Goodnight.

    Surely, it's game over for Rubio then?

    He ain't winning 8 states outright.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    If the London property market is so crazy that even a banker can't work out how to pay for a house, that's got to be a reason to vote for Khan and housing reform.
    Did Charles say London?

    But when nobody can afford the house/flat that they live in, then there is only one way the market will head...
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    Mortimer said:

    Totally off topic, but does anyone else use Virgin cable broadband? It just stops working frequently unlike any other service I've ever used.

    Restarting the router sometimes works, but not every time.

    Worth talking to them, or just changing provider?

    I've not had any problem with them to be honest - except when mice ate my cables (but they fixed that, no charge, two days later).
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited February 2016
    Mortimer said:

    Totally off topic, but does anyone else use Virgin cable broadband? It just stops working frequently unlike any other service I've ever used.

    Restarting the router sometimes works, but not every time.

    Worth talking to them, or just changing provider?

    I had them for a while and experienced something a little bit similar, and I never really got to the bottom of it. My internet connection would drop, waiting and nothing would happen, but a reboot of the router would immediately restore it i.e. If the connection had actually dropped it was only momentary, but the fault lay with the router itself. Had a new router from them and the same thing happened.

    I have to say I don't really like any service that imposes one of their routers with their tweaked firmware on you e.g. BT and Virgin. Obviously you can purchase your own and set it up, but then of course if you ever experience any problems the customer service people do their nut.
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    Anyone been watching Keeping up with Khans on Channel 4. It's about how existing Asian communities are dealing with a large influx of Roma. It is why I am sceptical that Lab will be as strongly for 'Remain' as people think
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    If the London property market is so crazy that even a banker can't work out how to pay for a house, that's got to be a reason to vote for Khan and housing reform.
    It's the regulations stopping me borrowing as much as I can afford that is the problem!

    My interest coverage and debt to equity ratios are fantastic. Just turning over every cushion to find the equity cheque
    Should we do a whip-round? :D
    How would you react if I said 'yes please'?

    :tongue:
    Perhaps a few betting tips would suffice :-)
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    If the London property market is so crazy that even a banker can't work out how to pay for a house, that's got to be a reason to vote for Khan and housing reform.
    Did Charles say London?

    But when nobody can afford the house/flat that they live in, then there is only one way the market will head...
    We historians tend do draw conclusions based on partial data. And as always, this approach proved correct. :wink:

    More seriously, congratulations Charles and I hope all goes smoothly with the purchase. But I still think that if somebody of your financial status is struggling to scrape together the necessary deposit, regulations or no it's a sign there's something about to go badly wrong somewhere.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited February 2016

    Mortimer said:

    FPT

    Scott_P said:

    dyingswan said:

    Any junior hospital doctor feeling under undue pressure in England should go to Wales. There the producer interest is paramount. Hip ops take 197 days whereas in England they take 75.Waiting times for diagnosis of cancer heart pneumonia and hernia problems take significantly longer. There is a Labour government. No strikes. The union prevails. No nasty Conservative government demanding reform. Life is just easier.

    @WelshGovernment: We have no plans to impose new contract on #juniordoctors. Wales has strong tradition of working in partnership with everyone in our NHS

    We look after the staff. The patients, not so much...
    Wales has historically struggled to recruit. In part this may be improved by the imbalance between the Welsh and English terms and conditions.

    Any organisation that treats its staff badly is unlikely to get the best out of them. It is true of any public facing industry.
    There is a difference between public facing industries and public sector industries.

    Consumers are more important than producers. When will NHS bods realise this?
    Wales NHS under labour are a disaster.
    I think a tad hyperbolic. But it's incredibly patchy - Powys has fewer medics per head of population than Afghanistan or Albania.

    There's been some good work enumerating some of the important issues;

    - lack of critical mass to create and sustain centres of expertise.
    - unattractive for ambitious professionals compared to NHS England.
    - highly reliant on foreign doctors
    - large areas of low population density.
    - aging workforce.

    And so on and so forth. It's not _all_ Labour's fault. Some of it just comes with the territory. Offered a choice between Bristol and Newport, I know where I'd want to work :).
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited February 2016
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    If the London property market is so crazy that even a banker can't work out how to pay for a house, that's got to be a reason to vote for Khan and housing reform.
    Did Charles say London?

    But when nobody can afford the house/flat that they live in, then there is only one way the market will head...
    We historians tend do draw conclusions based on partial data. And as always, this approach proved correct. :wink:

    More seriously, congratulations Charles and I hope all goes smoothly with the purchase. But I still think that if somebody of your financial status is struggling to scrape together the necessary deposit, regulations or no it's a sign there's something about to go badly wrong somewhere.
    It's not the deposit I'm struggling with (about 75% equity) ... I'm just trying to avoid dipping into my ISA :blush:
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    Thanks as ever for these, Harry. Any chance you could include a line in future about the causes of the by-elections, to help us all spin our way out of disappointing results for our sides? ;-)
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    John_M said:

    Mortimer said:

    FPT

    Scott_P said:

    dyingswan said:

    Any junior hospital doctor feeling under undue pressure in England should go to Wales. There the producer interest is paramount. Hip ops take 197 days whereas in England they take 75.Waiting times for diagnosis of cancer heart pneumonia and hernia problems take significantly longer. There is a Labour government. No strikes. The union prevails. No nasty Conservative government demanding reform. Life is just easier.

    @WelshGovernment: We have no plans to impose new contract on #juniordoctors. Wales has strong tradition of working in partnership with everyone in our NHS

    We look after the staff. The patients, not so much...
    Wales has historically struggled to recruit. In part this may be improved by the imbalance between the Welsh and English terms and conditions.

    Any organisation that treats its staff badly is unlikely to get the best out of them. It is true of any public facing industry.
    There is a difference between public facing industries and public sector industries.

    Consumers are more important than producers. When will NHS bods realise this?
    Wales NHS under labour are a disaster.
    I think a tad hyperbolic. But it's incredibly patchy - Powys has fewer medics per head of population than Afghanistan or Albania.

    There's been some good work enumerating some of the important issues;

    - lack of critical mass to create and sustain centres of expertise.
    - unattractive for ambitious professionals compared to NHS England.
    - highly reliant on foreign doctors
    - large areas of low population density.
    - aging workforce.

    And so on and so forth. It's not _all_ Labour's fault. Some of it just comes with the territory. Offered a choice between Bristol and Newport, I know where I'd want to work :).
    Wales leads the country in woundcare - one of the best places in Europe.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29128620
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    If the London property market is so crazy that even a banker can't work out how to pay for a house, that's got to be a reason to vote for Khan and housing reform.
    Did Charles say London?

    But when nobody can afford the house/flat that they live in, then there is only one way the market will head...
    We historians tend do draw conclusions based on partial data. And as always, this approach proved correct. :wink:

    More seriously, congratulations Charles and I hope all goes smoothly with the purchase. But I still think that if somebody of your financial status is struggling to scrape together the necessary deposit, regulations or no it's a sign there's something about to go badly wrong somewhere.
    It's not the deposit I'm struggling with (about 75% equity) ... I'm just trying to avoid dipping into my ISA :blush:
    Huh! In that case I take it all back. Somebody who can afford that doesn't need my sympathy. :tongue:

    My advice from personal experience would be to just take the hit and get on with it (as I had to in the end) but I suppose it's worth exploring other options first if there's a penalty involved.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    Mortimer said:

    Totally off topic, but does anyone else use Virgin cable broadband? It just stops working frequently unlike any other service I've ever used.

    Restarting the router sometimes works, but not every time.

    Worth talking to them, or just changing provider?

    I had them for a while and experienced something a little bit similar, and I never really got to the bottom of it. My internet connection would drop, waiting and nothing would happen, but a reboot of the router would immediately restore it i.e. If the connection had actually dropped it was only momentary, but the fault lay with the router itself. Had a new router from them and the same thing happened.

    I have to say I don't really like any service that imposes one of their routers with their tweaked firmware on you e.g. BT and Virgin. Obviously you can purchase your own and set it up, but then of course if you ever experience any problems the customer service people do their nut.
    Interesting - thanks Francis. It almost feels like there is over demand locally - always stops working about 3.30pm and 9pm.

    I'm not a fan of the provided routers either - at the office we have an ages old EE contract (so old we took it out with freeserve) with our own router that works better than most.

    Hilariously, the last time we had a problem (turned out to be a fried router) I had a great chat with a customer service operative who was aghast at the hardware cost of my privately sourced Netgear router. He said it would cost a certain amount of Rupees to purchase that where he was; converted it was a fraction of the cost!
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,157
    edited February 2016
    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    I hope it is somewhere nice!

    Does St. John's Wood count?
    Well, yes it does. And not that far from me. :)

    You're going to have to show me round then!
    It would be my pleasure! :)

    PS And in my new (i.e. upgraded not actually new - am not that daft) and fun car.

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    If the London property market is so crazy that even a banker can't work out how to pay for a house, that's got to be a reason to vote for Khan and housing reform.
    Did Charles say London?

    But when nobody can afford the house/flat that they live in, then there is only one way the market will head...
    We historians tend do draw conclusions based on partial data. And as always, this approach proved correct. :wink:

    More seriously, congratulations Charles and I hope all goes smoothly with the purchase. But I still think that if somebody of your financial status is struggling to scrape together the necessary deposit, regulations or no it's a sign there's something about to go badly wrong somewhere.
    It's not the deposit I'm struggling with (about 75% equity) ... I'm just trying to avoid dipping into my ISA :blush:
    Huh! In that case I take it all back. Somebody who can afford that doesn't need my sympathy. :tongue:

    My advice from personal experience would be to just take the hit and get on with it (as I had to in the end) but I suppose it's worth exploring other options first if there's a penalty involved.
    Nah - I just like the tax break!

    My cousins have lent me the bridging finance, but I think their definite of "mates rates" is different to mine!
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    If the London property market is so crazy that even a banker can't work out how to pay for a house, that's got to be a reason to vote for Khan and housing reform.
    Did Charles say London?

    But when nobody can afford the house/flat that they live in, then there is only one way the market will head...
    We historians tend do draw conclusions based on partial data. And as always, this approach proved correct. :wink:

    More seriously, congratulations Charles and I hope all goes smoothly with the purchase. But I still think that if somebody of your financial status is struggling to scrape together the necessary deposit, regulations or no it's a sign there's something about to go badly wrong somewhere.
    It's not the deposit I'm struggling with (about 75% equity) ... I'm just trying to avoid dipping into my ISA :blush:
    Congratulations, tough to find a house that ticks all the boxes for the family, hope you have a smooth purchase.



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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited February 2016
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Totally off topic, but does anyone else use Virgin cable broadband? It just stops working frequently unlike any other service I've ever used.

    Restarting the router sometimes works, but not every time.

    Worth talking to them, or just changing provider?

    I had them for a while and experienced something a little bit similar, and I never really got to the bottom of it. My internet connection would drop, waiting and nothing would happen, but a reboot of the router would immediately restore it i.e. If the connection had actually dropped it was only momentary, but the fault lay with the router itself. Had a new router from them and the same thing happened.

    I have to say I don't really like any service that imposes one of their routers with their tweaked firmware on you e.g. BT and Virgin. Obviously you can purchase your own and set it up, but then of course if you ever experience any problems the customer service people do their nut.
    Interesting - thanks Francis. It almost feels like there is over demand locally - always stops working about 3.30pm and 9pm.

    I'm not a fan of the provided routers either - at the office we have an ages old EE contract (so old we took it out with freeserve) with our own router that works better than most.

    Hilariously, the last time we had a problem (turned out to be a fried router) I had a great chat with a customer service operative who was aghast at the hardware cost of my privately sourced Netgear router. He said it would cost a certain amount of Rupees to purchase that where he was; converted it was a fraction of the cost!
    Interesting. Given the fibre optic and certainly more sophisticated traffic management, I would have thought Virgin would be ok on capacity front (at least not killing people's connections vs providing less bandwidth).

    I am not with them now, so I don't know what sort of service they offer these days. Other than the router dropout issue (which I just got used to and wrote a simple script to do it for me), I don't remember ever experiencing serious "peak time" issues and at the time I was hammering my connection pretty much around the clock.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    edited February 2016
    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    If the London property market is so crazy that even a banker can't work out how to pay for a house, that's got to be a reason to vote for Khan and housing reform.
    Did Charles say London?

    But when nobody can afford the house/flat that they live in, then there is only one way the market will head...
    We historians tend do draw conclusions based on partial data. And as always, this approach proved correct. :wink:

    More seriously, congratulations Charles and I hope all goes smoothly with the purchase. But I still think that if somebody of your financial status is struggling to scrape together the necessary deposit, regulations or no it's a sign there's something about to go badly wrong somewhere.
    It's not the deposit I'm struggling with (about 75% equity) ... I'm just trying to avoid dipping into my ISA :blush:
    Huh! In that case I take it all back. Somebody who can afford that doesn't need my sympathy. :tongue:

    My advice from personal experience would be to just take the hit and get on with it (as I had to in the end) but I suppose it's worth exploring other options first if there's a penalty involved.
    Nah - I just like the tax break!

    My cousins have lent me the bridging finance, but I think their definite of "mates rates" is different to mine!
    So do I, but having a house beats having a tax break. Particularly beats having a tax break and a second loan, whoever it's from.

    With that, congratulations again and good night.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    edited February 2016
    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leader poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    I hope it is somewhere nice!

    Does St. John's Wood count?
    Well, yes it does. And not that far from me. :)

    You're going to have to show me round then!
    It would be my pleasure! :)

    PS And in my new (i.e. upgraded not actually new - am not that daft) and fun car.

    I shall take you up on that - not there until April
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    I hope it is somewhere nice!

    Does St. John's Wood count?
    Well, yes it does. And not that far from me. :)

    You're going to have to show me round then!
    It would be my pleasure! :)

    PS And in my new (i.e. upgraded not actually new - am not that daft) and fun car.

    Toys for the girls. I approve.

    Lots of fun I hope.

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    Mortimer said:

    Totally off topic, but does anyone else use Virgin cable broadband? It just stops working frequently unlike any other service I've ever used.

    Restarting the router sometimes works, but not every time.

    Worth talking to them, or just changing provider?

    No experience of Virgin but you might want to check if it is your wifi rather than the connection between router and Virgin that drops out. Then I'd talk to Virgin and give them a chance to replace their kit.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    When I put "St Johns Wood" into the search box for Google maps its arrow pointed to a spot very close to the Beatles' Abbey Rd crossing.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Toms said:

    When I put "St Johns Wood" into the search box for Google maps its arrow pointed to a spot very close to the Beatles' Abbey Rd crossing.

    That is close.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    Mortimer said:

    Totally off topic, but does anyone else use Virgin cable broadband? It just stops working frequently unlike any other service I've ever used.

    Restarting the router sometimes works, but not every time.

    Worth talking to them, or just changing provider?

    No experience of Virgin but you might want to check if it is your wifi rather than the connection between router and Virgin that drops out. Then I'd talk to Virgin and give them a chance to replace their kit.
    Thanks John,

    I'm going to have the 'sort this out within a week or we're going to BT' chat with them tomorrow!
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    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
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    John_M said:

    Mortimer said:

    FPT

    Scott_P said:

    dyingswan said:

    Any junior hospital doctor feeling under undue pressure in England should go to Wales. There the producer interest is paramount. Hip ops take 197 days whereas in England they take 75.Waiting times for diagnosis of cancer heart pneumonia and hernia problems take significantly longer. There is a Labour government. No strikes. The union prevails. No nasty Conservative government demanding reform. Life is just easier.

    @WelshGovernment: We have no plans to impose new contract on #juniordoctors. Wales has strong tradition of working in partnership with everyone in our NHS

    We look after the staff. The patients, not so much...
    Wales has historically struggled to recruit. In part this may be improved by the imbalance between the Welsh and English terms and conditions.

    Any organisation that treats its staff badly is unlikely to get the best out of them. It is true of any public facing industry.
    There is a difference between public facing industries and public sector industries.

    Consumers are more important than producers. When will NHS bods realise this?
    Wales NHS under labour are a disaster.
    I think a tad hyperbolic. But it's incredibly patchy - Powys has fewer medics per head of population than Afghanistan or Albania.

    There's been some good work enumerating some of the important issues;

    - lack of critical mass to create and sustain centres of expertise.
    - unattractive for ambitious professionals compared to NHS England.
    - highly reliant on foreign doctors
    - large areas of low population density.
    - aging workforce.

    And so on and so forth. It's not _all_ Labour's fault. Some of it just comes with the territory. Offered a choice between Bristol and Newport, I know where I'd want to work :).
    Not in North Wales its not
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    Would you vote Labour? ;)
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    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    I think I may have just bought a house :)

    Congrats!
    Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!
    I hope it is somewhere nice!

    Does St. John's Wood count?
    Well, yes it does. And not that far from me. :)

    You're going to have to show me round then!
    It would be my pleasure! :)

    PS And in my new (i.e. upgraded not actually new - am not that daft) and fun car.

    Some people reckon new cars can be better value than used. Something to do with discounts, zero per cent finance and technology. I get the bus.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    Yeh - I think I would too.

    Clem would have had 4 words for him.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    Would you vote Labour? ;)
    Hahahahaha.

    Hes not that bad.

    If he were leader of the party I'd still vote Tory. But with a peg on my nose.
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    Oh God.

    Farage is talking about British Jobs for British Workers on the front page of tomorrow's Express
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    Yeh - I think I would too.

    Clem would have had 4 words for him.
    I couldn't quit as I'm not a member, but I would vote against them.
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    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    Would you vote Labour? ;)
    Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    From Trump v Sanders to Fox v Corbyn, what is a socially liberal, fiscally conservative Tory to do? Surely not Tim Farron?
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    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Totally off topic, but does anyone else use Virgin cable broadband? It just stops working frequently unlike any other service I've ever used.

    Restarting the router sometimes works, but not every time.

    Worth talking to them, or just changing provider?

    No experience of Virgin but you might want to check if it is your wifi rather than the connection between router and Virgin that drops out. Then I'd talk to Virgin and give them a chance to replace their kit.
    Thanks John,

    I'm going to have the 'sort this out within a week or we're going to BT' chat with them tomorrow!
    If it is your wifi, make sure you've not set your laptop to cut power to the nic to save battery life. Then skim the Virgin forums for similar problems. http://community.virginmedia.com/
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    Would you vote Labour? ;)
    Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
    Are you going to the Conference this year?
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    I still think there is a chance that both Labour and conservative will split post referendum. If one starts the other could follow.
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    Mortimer said:

    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    Would you vote Labour? ;)
    Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
    Are you going to the Conference this year?
    Yeah. Filled in the application last week.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    LFCBLOTO
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Totally off topic, but does anyone else use Virgin cable broadband? It just stops working frequently unlike any other service I've ever used.

    Restarting the router sometimes works, but not every time.

    Worth talking to them, or just changing provider?

    No experience of Virgin but you might want to check if it is your wifi rather than the connection between router and Virgin that drops out. Then I'd talk to Virgin and give them a chance to replace their kit.
    Thanks John,

    I'm going to have the 'sort this out within a week or we're going to BT' chat with them tomorrow!
    If it is your wifi, make sure you've not set your laptop to cut power to the nic to save battery life. Then skim the Virgin forums for similar problems. http://community.virginmedia.com/
    Definitely not the computer end - we have the same problem with phones, tablets and laptops.

    Good shourt on the forums though. Ta!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Mortimer said:

    Totally off topic, but does anyone else use Virgin cable broadband? It just stops working frequently unlike any other service I've ever used.

    Restarting the router sometimes works, but not every time.

    Worth talking to them, or just changing provider?

    When I had Telewest (NTL, now Virgin) cable, I replaced their device with a Linksys. No problems for 3 years.

    My Talktalk ADSL Huwai router died. Bought a Netgear. Works fine

    My BT VDSL Home Hub was just crap. Bought a different Netgear. No issue.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    A very good analysis of Hillary's political positioning dilemma:

    https://www.yahoo.com/politics/there-is-only-one-way-1362390891388982.html

    These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:

    "Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."

    "This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."

    "But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."

    "Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."
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    philiph said:

    I still think there is a chance that both Labour and conservative will split post referendum. If one starts the other could follow.

    Well, there is a chance but it <1% if we vote to stay. Difficult to judge on remain, maybe 10% we see a major realigning of political parties in the UK.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    LFCBLOTO
    Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Again how did I miss this:

    Chris Cillizza ‏@TheFix 4h4 hours ago
    Clinton Foundation received subpoena from State Department investigators http://wpo.st/qZiA1


    Chris Cillizza ‏@TheFix 4h4 hours ago
    There are now 3 investigations with ties to Hillary.

    1.Clinton emails by State
    2. Clinton emails by FBI
    3. Clinton Foundation by State
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Toms said:

    When I put "St Johns Wood" into the search box for Google maps its arrow pointed to a spot very close to the Beatles' Abbey Rd crossing.

    The morning after visiting a lady friend in Swiss Cottage I put my home address into my sat nav and it took me via Abbey Road. I don't know how the locals handle all the tourists taking the piss on the crossing. Incredibly frustrating...
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    Mortimer said:

    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    Would you vote Labour? ;)
    Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
    Are you going to the Conference this year?
    Yeah. Filled in the application last week.
    Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Mortimer said:

    Definitely not the computer end - we have the same problem with phones, tablets and laptops.

    Good shourt on the forums though. Ta!

    You could also try external wifi like an Apple Airport instead of the built in
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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Mortimer said:

    Totally off topic, but does anyone else use Virgin cable broadband? It just stops working frequently unlike any other service I've ever used.

    Restarting the router sometimes works, but not every time.

    Worth talking to them, or just changing provider?

    The router Virgin provided was crap - rather like Mr Hunt. Bought a Netgear one and works fine. Speeds regularly over to 100Mb/s
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    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    Would you vote Labour? ;)
    Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
    Are you going to the Conference this year?
    Yeah. Filled in the application last week.
    Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.
    Well it is in Birmingham, can't blame them.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited February 2016

    Oh God.

    Farage is talking about British Jobs for British Workers on the front page of tomorrow's Express

    Stop worrying about Farage ,worry about your party.

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick
    Friday's Telegraph front page:
    EU deal could split Tories
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leader poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    Not a nice thought.... C'mon Boris, you are losing out to Liam Fox FFS.... Support Leave,and much of that Fox support would head your way.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    edited February 2016
    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    LFCBLOTO
    Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
    It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite as the most prominent Tory to back BREXIT so far
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    LFCBLOTO
    Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
    It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
    No - he wont.

    I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
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    Oh God.

    Farage is talking about British Jobs for British Workers on the front page of tomorrow's Express

    Stop worrying about Farage ,worry about your party.

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick
    Friday's Telegraph front page:
    EU deal could split Tories
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers
    I worry all the time.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    Would you vote Labour? ;)
    Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
    Are you going to the Conference this year?
    Yeah. Filled in the application last week.
    Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.
    Well it is in Birmingham, can't blame them.
    Indeed. I'm hoping the baggies are playing at home the Saturday before. Never made it to the Hawthorns before - first time for (almost) everything!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JananGanesh: PM getting told how to do proper politics by those crack election winners on the Tory right again. I'm sure he's taking copious notes.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    MTimT said:

    A very good analysis of Hillary's political positioning dilemma:

    https://www.yahoo.com/politics/there-is-only-one-way-1362390891388982.html

    These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:

    "Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."

    "This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."

    "But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."

    "Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."

    Hillary notably stepped up her rhetoric about reigning in Wall Street in her NH concession speech
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    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    Would you vote Labour? ;)
    Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
    Are you going to the Conference this year?
    Yeah. Filled in the application last week.
    Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.
    Well it is in Birmingham, can't blame them.
    Indeed. I'm hoping the baggies are playing at home the Saturday before. Never made it to the Hawthorns before - first time for (almost) everything!
    That said I should be partying in The Reflex Bar on Broad Street most nights.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    edited February 2016
    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    LFCBLOTO
    Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
    It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
    No - he wont.

    I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
    Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    LFCBLOTO
    Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
    It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
    No - he wont.

    I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
    Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
    WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.

    That is the past.

    Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    David Jack ‏@DJack_Journo
    Friday's @thetimes front page: Turkey threatens Europe with millions of migrants

    Should help the Out cause.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    Would you vote Labour? ;)
    Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
    Are you going to the Conference this year?
    Yeah. Filled in the application last week.
    Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.
    Well it is in Birmingham, can't blame them.
    Indeed. I'm hoping the baggies are playing at home the Saturday before. Never made it to the Hawthorns before - first time for (almost) everything!
    That said I should be partying in The Reflex Bar on Broad Street most nights.
    'Cocktails, karaoke and a 1980s soundtrack in a boisterous, good-time venue.'

    What is not to like.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,901
    'A SENIOR government minister has claimed Downing Street is descending into panic over David Cameron’s failing EU renegotiation, a Eurosceptic MP claimed last night.

    The revelation came as top Tories shared a stage with Nigel Farage for the first time during the “Brexit” campaign — turning their joint fire on David Cameron.

    Senior Eurosceptic Tory backbencher Steve Baker told the crowd: “A Eurosceptic member of the government and I had a drink last night and he told me very plainly that it was his clear understanding that the government expected having come back with this deal, that they would show it to the public, get a round of applause and be a 20-30 points ahead for remain.”


    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6923921/Downing-Street-panic-after-top-Tories-share-stage-with-Nigel-Farage.html
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    HYUFD said:

    MTimT said:

    A very good analysis of Hillary's political positioning dilemma:

    https://www.yahoo.com/politics/there-is-only-one-way-1362390891388982.html

    These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:

    "Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."

    "This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."

    "But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."

    "Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."

    Hillary notably stepped up her rhetoric about reigning in Wall Street in her NH concession speech
    Post 2008, the average Western voter detests big business, but loathes left wing identity politics, and is hostile to mass immigration. That up-ends traditional politics.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    David Jack ‏@DJack_Journo
    Friday's @thetimes front page: Turkey threatens Europe with millions of migrants

    Should help the Out cause.

    @JamieLinks: "Migrants" in the headline. "Refugees" in the first paragraph. https://t.co/So05OTthPO
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    MTimT said:

    A very good analysis of Hillary's political positioning dilemma:

    https://www.yahoo.com/politics/there-is-only-one-way-1362390891388982.html

    These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:

    "Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."

    "This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."

    "But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."

    "Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."

    Hillary notably stepped up her rhetoric about reigning in Wall Street in her NH concession speech
    Post 2008, the average Western voter detests big business, but loathes left wing identity politics, and is hostile to mass immigration. That up-ends traditional politics.
    That leads to Donald Trump
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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html

    LFWNBPM
    I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
    Would you vote Labour? ;)
    Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
    Are you going to the Conference this year?
    Yeah. Filled in the application last week.
    Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.
    Well it is in Birmingham, can't blame them.
    Oh God do we have to put up with half the city centre being blocked off again. It's already a nightmare around the ICC.
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