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Crompton (Lab defence) on Bolton
Result: Labour 1,961 (73% +13%), UKIP 320 (12% -9%), Conservative 302 (11% -1%), Liberal Democrat 117 (4% unchanged)
Labour HOLD with a majority of 1,641 (61%) on a swing of 11% from UKIP to Labour

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PClipp

First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.

NickPalmer

Secoind, Like the Tories in every seat here.

Sandpit

FPT
I never thought I'd be saying this, but England at EDIT: 3.4 might be worth a bet. It's going to be a surprisingly close finish.

AlastairMeeks

FPT

david_herdson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Unusually, Stephen Bush makes a mistake in this article:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/10/why-are-boundary-changes-bad-labour

He argues that Labour seats becoming more marginal is bad news for Labour. The opposite is true. When you're in second place and fighting to win, you want every vote you get to be working hard. Piling up large majorities is an utterly pointless use of votes.

Of course, if you're worried about going backwards, this is a problem.

Shouldn't they be worried? You need to have a firebreak somewhere, just in case.

Labour have so many seats with epic majorities they need to step out a bit in this direction. They're 100 seats behind the Conservatives so they want to make sure that their existing votes are eked out as efficiently as possible to make progress easier.

bigjohnowls

PClipp said:

First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.

I admire your optimism but would steer clear of buying a parrot, particularly a Norwegian Blue if I were you

Speedy

Rubio digs deeper:

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/697868062041702404

Time for that joke again;
"Let us dispel with this fiction that Marco Rubio knows what he's doing, he doesn't know what he's doing."

tlg86

Yet Ukip's GE polling continues to be fairly good. I think it makes sense as Ukip's primary concerns are national rather than local. Of course, a leave vote in June or whenever could be the end of the party.

Plato_Says

Who's your avatar?

tlg86 said:

Yet Ukip's GE polling continues to be fairly good. I think it makes sense as Ukip's primary concerns are national rather than local. Of course, a leave vote in June or whenever could be the end of the party.

Plato_Says

EU serves notice on Greece = kicked out and sealed off from Europe’s passport-free Schengen zone for failing to control its border with Turkey. 3 months to fix it

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4689350.ece

OldKingCole

tlg86 said:

Yet Ukip's GE polling continues to be fairly good. I think it makes sense as Ukip's primary concerns are national rather than local. Of course, a leave vote in June or whenever could be the end of the party.

It's one thing to look at a possible GE; it's another when the you actually have to vote. TBF, UKIP seem generally to have made a mess of their councillors.

bigjohnowls

Sandpit said:

FPT
I never thought I'd be saying this, but England at EDIT: 3.4 might be worth a bet. It's going to be a surprisingly close finish.

6th wicket down and SA quite long tail 70 runs required.

Very close finish

Sandpit

Great catch from Topley for the c&b. 191/6, need 6 an over for 13 ovs.
Edit: Betfair odds about to cross. Eng 2.05.

PClipp

bigjohnowls said:

PClipp said:

First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.

I admire your optimism but would steer clear of buying a parrot, particularly a Norwegian Blue if I were you

A subtle reference to Mrs Thatcher, Mr Owls? I gather the poor old dear didn`t know what she was talking about when she parroted the Monty Python sketch. Some people found her very entetaining at the time - rather surprised that you seem to be among them.

bigjohnowls

Sandpit said:

Great catch from Topley for the c&b. 191/6, need 6 an over for 13 ovs.
Edit: Betfair odds about to cross. Eng 2.05.

I would still consider SA favorites. D/L Par score has it dead level 200 at end of 39th

tlg86

Plato_Says said:

Who's your avatar?

tlg86 said:

Yet Ukip's GE polling continues to be fairly good. I think it makes sense as Ukip's primary concerns are national rather than local. Of course, a leave vote in June or whenever could be the end of the party.

The effigy of Dave and piggy at Lewes.

rcs1000

Casino_Royale said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Royale, I know stakes vary a lot here, but I wouldn't say 'only' £250!

I think I bet less than half that (combined) on Alonso/Maldonado to lead lap 1 of the 2012 Spanish Grand Prix [sticks in the mind because Hamilton was disqualified from his pole, so they started 1-2 but had odds of 6/1 to lead lap 1 until the bookies realised].

I've covered myself on Cruz too.

Basically, I don't think Bush, Rubio or Kasich will do it. It'll be Trump or Cruz now, and probably Trump.

I reckon 15% chance of Bush/Rubio/Kasich, 55% chance of Trump and 30% chance of Cruz.

I don't think there's anything like a 30% chance of Cruz. He's not even going to carry all the states Santorum did.

tlg86

OldKingCole said:

tlg86 said:

Yet Ukip's GE polling continues to be fairly good. I think it makes sense as Ukip's primary concerns are national rather than local. Of course, a leave vote in June or whenever could be the end of the party.

It's one thing to look at a possible GE; it's another when the you actually have to vote. TBF, UKIP seem generally to have made a mess of their councillors.

Well they're polling at or above what they did last May. A lot of water to flow under the bridge before another GE, mind.

bigjohnowls

PClipp said:

bigjohnowls said:

PClipp said:

First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.

I admire your optimism but would steer clear of buying a parrot, particularly a Norwegian Blue if I were you

A subtle reference to Mrs Thatcher, Mr Owls? I gather the poor old dear didn`t know what she was talking about when she parroted the Monty Python sketch. Some people found her very entetaining at the time - rather surprised that you seem to be among them.

No but she and the Parrot are showing only marginally less signs of life than the LDs.

Having said that I am all for an LD revival in Tory areas where LD are 2nd but think Clegg has knackered them as challengers in Lab areas for a while yet.

What do you reckon?

Plato_Says

Ha!

tlg86 said:

Plato_Says said:

Who's your avatar?

tlg86 said:

Yet Ukip's GE polling continues to be fairly good. I think it makes sense as Ukip's primary concerns are national rather than local. Of course, a leave vote in June or whenever could be the end of the party.

The effigy of Dave and piggy at Lewes.

Sandpit

bigjohnowls said:

Sandpit said:

Great catch from Topley for the c&b. 191/6, need 6 an over for 13 ovs.
Edit: Betfair odds about to cross. Eng 2.05.

I would still consider SA favorites. D/L Par score has it dead level 200 at end of 39th

Yep. 64 from 66 balls. SA should do it from here but I just made some easy cash backing the 3 and laying the 2 within 15 mins.

Again England will pay for not using the last two overs.

bigjohnowls

Sandpit said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sandpit said:

Great catch from Topley for the c&b. 191/6, need 6 an over for 13 ovs.
Edit: Betfair odds about to cross. Eng 2.05.

I would still consider SA favorites. D/L Par score has it dead level 200 at end of 39th

Yep. 64 from 66 balls. SA should do it from here but I just made some easy cash backing the 3 and laying the 2 within 15 mins.

Again England will pay for not using the last two overs.

Another Wkt in next few balls and its level again.

Good arbing by you BTW

Luckyguy1983

Don't know how they got everyone at the PB meet to wear Nigel tees, but good on Mike Smithson for maintaining his dignity with a shirt and tie.

Sandpit

bigjohnowls said:

Sandpit said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sandpit said:

Great catch from Topley for the c&b. 191/6, need 6 an over for 13 ovs.
Edit: Betfair odds about to cross. Eng 2.05.

I would still consider SA favorites. D/L Par score has it dead level 200 at end of 39th

Yep. 64 from 66 balls. SA should do it from here but I just made some easy cash backing the 3 and laying the 2 within 15 mins.

Again England will pay for not using the last two overs.

Another Wkt in next few balls and its level again.

Good arbing by you BTW

wicket! SA 207/7, Eng now 1.45 to win.

bigjohnowls

Wow Golden arm gets a Wkt off what would have been a wide.

England could do this.

No financial interest from me in this innigs

bigjohnowls

Sandpit said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sandpit said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sandpit said:

Great catch from Topley for the c&b. 191/6, need 6 an over for 13 ovs.
Edit: Betfair odds about to cross. Eng 2.05.

I would still consider SA favorites. D/L Par score has it dead level 200 at end of 39th

Yep. 64 from 66 balls. SA should do it from here but I just made some easy cash backing the 3 and laying the 2 within 15 mins.

Again England will pay for not using the last two overs.

Another Wkt in next few balls and its level again.

Good arbing by you BTW

wicket! SA 207/7, Eng now 1.45 to win.

An another 8 down

Sandpit

bigjohnowls said:

Wow Golden arm gets a Wkt off what would have been a wide.

England could do this.

No financial interest from me in this innigs

Why did he stretch so much to hit that? This will be a great last 50 balls.

Sandpit

England's to lose now. 210/8. 53 from 51 required.

Grr, should have let that 2/1 ride...

Indigo

tlg86 said:

OldKingCole said:

tlg86 said:

Yet Ukip's GE polling continues to be fairly good. I think it makes sense as Ukip's primary concerns are national rather than local. Of course, a leave vote in June or whenever could be the end of the party.

It's one thing to look at a possible GE; it's another when the you actually have to vote. TBF, UKIP seem generally to have made a mess of their councillors.

Well they're polling at or above what they did last May. A lot of water to flow under the bridge before another GE, mind.

Are they even significantly engaged in local campaigns at the moment, or are they going hell for leather on the EURef front ?

tlg86

Plato_Says said:

Ha!

tlg86 said:

Plato_Says said:

Who's your avatar?

tlg86 said:

Yet Ukip's GE polling continues to be fairly good. I think it makes sense as Ukip's primary concerns are national rather than local. Of course, a leave vote in June or whenever could be the end of the party.

The effigy of Dave and piggy at Lewes.

Time for a change. Here's Merkel from Lewes, 2012 - just to remind us how long the Euro crisis went on for/has been going on for.

isam

Luckyguy1983 said:

Don't know how they got everyone at the PB meet to wear Nigel tees, but good on Mike Smithson for maintaining his dignity with a shirt and tie.

A party whose sole raison d'etre has never been closer to being achieved are the target of ridicule... how about that?

There is a great photo from an actual PB meet on here... McMurphy was taking the pic

Indigo

Plato_Says said:

EU serves notice on Greece = kicked out and sealed off from Europe’s passport-free Schengen zone for failing to control its border with Turkey. 3 months to fix it

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4689350.ece

That nice of them, they take all the money out of Greece (insert usual observations about bailing out French and German banks) and now they can't afford to secure their borders properly, the EU is not going to help them, its going to cut them off and leave the to drown in a sea of pissed of refugees/migrants sitting in camps at their border points. The EU's self image as the "international brotherhood of free western nations" takes another pasting.

Sandpit

England's fielding is so frustrating. 3 or 4 clear misses in the last half an hour.

tlg86

Indigo said:

tlg86 said:

OldKingCole said:

tlg86 said:

Yet Ukip's GE polling continues to be fairly good. I think it makes sense as Ukip's primary concerns are national rather than local. Of course, a leave vote in June or whenever could be the end of the party.

It's one thing to look at a possible GE; it's another when the you actually have to vote. TBF, UKIP seem generally to have made a mess of their councillors.

Well they're polling at or above what they did last May. A lot of water to flow under the bridge before another GE, mind.

Are they even significantly engaged in local campaigns at the moment, or are they going hell for leather on the EURef front ?

All the emails I get from them are focussed on the referendum. The locals in May will have an interesting dynamic if the referendum follows in June.

Sandpit

Indigo said:

Plato_Says said:

EU serves notice on Greece = kicked out and sealed off from Europe’s passport-free Schengen zone for failing to control its border with Turkey. 3 months to fix it

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4689350.ece

That nice of them, they take all the money out of Greece (insert usual observations about bailing out French and German banks) and now they can't afford to secure their borders properly, the EU is not going to help them, its going to cut them off and leave the to drown in a sea of pissed of refugees/migrants sitting in camps at their border points. The EU's self image as the "international brotherhood of free western nations" takes another pasting.
Quite. And then they wonder why Leave is leading the polls.

Indigo

SeanT said:

I wonder if the self-evident diminishment of Cameron, after the "deal", is now beginning to impact Tory polling.

Certainly some straws in the wind.

You have to admit that even leaving aside the value of a LEAVE vote on its own merits, unlikely as it is, there is going to be room for a massive gloat from all the people that have become just a little tired of the "excess of exuberance" from the Cameroons, who have been massively full of themselves after a successful GE and have been telling us how flawless their man has been on this renegotiation ever since. I believe the word you usual favour in these circumstances Mr T would be "piquant".

david_herdson

PClipp said:

bigjohnowls said:

PClipp said:

First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.

I admire your optimism but would steer clear of buying a parrot, particularly a Norwegian Blue if I were you

A subtle reference to Mrs Thatcher, Mr Owls? I gather the poor old dear didn`t know what she was talking about when she parroted the Monty Python sketch. Some people found her very entetaining at the time - rather surprised that you seem to be among them.

The Liberals had more MPs when the Dead Parrot sketch first aired in 1969 than the Lib Dems do now!

Plato_Says

I'm after some more music recommendations. I detest jungle and rap et al - so anything else is cool for me. Any genre from any era.

Plato_Says

*titters*

david_herdson said:

PClipp said:

bigjohnowls said:

PClipp said:

First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.

I admire your optimism but would steer clear of buying a parrot, particularly a Norwegian Blue if I were you

A subtle reference to Mrs Thatcher, Mr Owls? I gather the poor old dear didn`t know what she was talking about when she parroted the Monty Python sketch. Some people found her very entetaining at the time - rather surprised that you seem to be among them.

The Liberals had more MPs when the Dead Parrot sketch first aired in 1969 than the Lib Dems do now!

weejonnie

Indigo said:

Plato_Says said:

EU serves notice on Greece = kicked out and sealed off from Europe’s passport-free Schengen zone for failing to control its border with Turkey. 3 months to fix it

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4689350.ece

That nice of them, they take all the money out of Greece (insert usual observations about bailing out French and German banks) and now they can't afford to secure their borders properly, the EU is not going to help them, its going to cut them off and leave the to drown in a sea of pissed of refugees/migrants sitting in camps at their border points. The EU's self image as the "international brotherhood of free western nations" takes another pasting.

Wonder if Greece will go limp and issue them with EU passports.

Indigo

SeanT said:

Indigo said:

Plato_Says said:

EU serves notice on Greece = kicked out and sealed off from Europe’s passport-free Schengen zone for failing to control its border with Turkey. 3 months to fix it

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4689350.ece

That nice of them, they take all the money out of Greece (insert usual observations about bailing out French and German banks) and now they can't afford to secure their borders properly, the EU is not going to help them, its going to cut them off and leave the to drown in a sea of pissed of refugees/migrants sitting in camps at their border points. The EU's self image as the "international brotherhood of free western nations" takes another pasting.

It is, however, the one way to save 1. Merkel's job, and 2. prevent Brexit.


A repeat of last Spring/Summer would likely kill the EU.

I think 3 months will be well to late, and the idea that a few border guards looking at passports is going to stop 100k+ people per month going anywhere seems a touch fanciful. I also don't see how that stops people taking a right at the Greek border and going through Macedonia or Bulgaria, through Serbia and into the heart of the EU.

TCPoliticalBetting

Plato_Says said:

I'm after some more music recommendations. I detest jungle and rap et al - so anything else is cool for me. Any genre from any era.

upbeat?
quiet?
soul searching?
romantic?
laid back?

Plato_Says

It's the obvious answer if just to get rid of a few thousand.

weejonnie said:

Indigo said:

Plato_Says said:

EU serves notice on Greece = kicked out and sealed off from Europe’s passport-free Schengen zone for failing to control its border with Turkey. 3 months to fix it

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4689350.ece

That nice of them, they take all the money out of Greece (insert usual observations about bailing out French and German banks) and now they can't afford to secure their borders properly, the EU is not going to help them, its going to cut them off and leave the to drown in a sea of pissed of refugees/migrants sitting in camps at their border points. The EU's self image as the "international brotherhood of free western nations" takes another pasting.

Wonder if Greece will go limp and issue them with EU passports.

HYUFD

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

bigjohnowls

England need Broad now, Bad over from Woakes

perdix

Indigo said:

SeanT said:

I wonder if the self-evident diminishment of Cameron, after the "deal", is now beginning to impact Tory polling.

Certainly some straws in the wind.

You have to admit that even leaving aside the value of a LEAVE vote on its own merits, unlikely as it is, there is going to be room for a massive gloat from all the people that have become just a little tired of the "excess of exuberance" from the Cameroons, who have been massively full of themselves after a successful GE and have been telling us how flawless their man has been on this renegotiation ever since. I believe the word you usual favour in these circumstances Mr T would be "piquant".

I have not read of any boasts about a flawless man of renegotiation. Having said that he has been a credit to this nation. Having said that there is a danger that Brexit will win.

bigjohnowls

Can the last 2 Wkts get another 23?

Sandpit

14 runs from that over. 23 from 30 needed now. 2 wickets left.
SA 1.6, Eng 2.5
Tie at 25.

david_herdson

HYUFD said:

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

Nah, it'd be to Leave given that all three traditional parties would be in disarray with a close vote either way. There'd be space to grow into a mainstream party.

Indigo

duplicate

rcs1000

Plato_Says said:

It's the obvious answer if just to get rid of a few thousand.

weejonnie said:

Indigo said:

Plato_Says said:

EU serves notice on Greece = kicked out and sealed off from Europe’s passport-free Schengen zone for failing to control its border with Turkey. 3 months to fix it

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4689350.ece

That nice of them, they take all the money out of Greece (insert usual observations about bailing out French and German banks) and now they can't afford to secure their borders properly, the EU is not going to help them, its going to cut them off and leave the to drown in a sea of pissed of refugees/migrants sitting in camps at their border points. The EU's self image as the "international brotherhood of free western nations" takes another pasting.

Wonder if Greece will go limp and issue them with EU passports.

I doubt it, because if the EU goes tits up, a non zero chance, then they'll have totally f#cked themselves.

Omnium

HYUFD said:

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

UKIP the party, but I'm sure that every last one of their voters would prefer to go back to politics as normal within an independent UK.

UKIP don't really exist after a leave vote, and they'd be well advised to immediately disband.

NorfolkTilIDie

Brexit is a decision for British voters. Neither Goldman Sachs nor Obama should be sticking their oar in. Especially cheeky when EU means signing up to a bunch of stuff Americans won't ever tolerate.

Indigo

HYUFD said:

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

Followed a month later by the EU imposing migrant quotas, and the Eurozone using the QMV majority to impose new regulations on the City.

bigjohnowls

Neil Warnock new manager at Rotherham - strange

Plato_Says

Seriously, anything.

I've got Elizabethan lutes to heavy metal. There's something about most rap and that whole thing that grates on my IQ.

I've only found one band I like that does gangsta stuff and they're Nigger BlueGrass as a brand. They did the soundtrack for lots of Justified - Gangstagrass, the lyrics are very clever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcw5D1jgfyw

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Plato_Says said:

I'm after some more music recommendations. I detest jungle and rap et al - so anything else is cool for me. Any genre from any era.

upbeat?
quiet?
soul searching?
romantic?
laid back?

Sandpit

SA are going to win from here. 13 from 28 now.

tlg86

HYUFD said:

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

No, the best result is that we vote to leave and the government ignore the result or try to have another referendum.

NorfolkTilIDie

Greece don't border any other EU state so it make no difference if they are in or out of Schengen. Gesture politics.

bigjohnowls

bigjohnowls said:

England need Broad now, Bad over from Woakes

Whoops 6,4,4 (three half volleys)

TCPoliticalBetting

del - how do i avoid images instead of images? Do i need to post each as a tiny url?

Indigo

perdix said:

Indigo said:

SeanT said:

I wonder if the self-evident diminishment of Cameron, after the "deal", is now beginning to impact Tory polling.

Certainly some straws in the wind.

You have to admit that even leaving aside the value of a LEAVE vote on its own merits, unlikely as it is, there is going to be room for a massive gloat from all the people that have become just a little tired of the "excess of exuberance" from the Cameroons, who have been massively full of themselves after a successful GE and have been telling us how flawless their man has been on this renegotiation ever since. I believe the word you usual favour in these circumstances Mr T would be "piquant".

I have not read of any boasts about a flawless man of renegotiation. Having said that he has been a credit to this nation. Having said that there is a danger that Brexit will win.

A credit ? You are joking ? He has come back with a worthless bit of flimflam having promised the moon on a stick, and is now strutting around telling everyone that it is still a moon on a stick if they look at it properly, meanwhile it is being watered down even further before our eyes. Not that I expect you to agree being one of the aforementioned Cameron cheerleaders.

rcs1000

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Greece don't border any other EU state so it make no difference if they are in or out of Schengen. Gesture politics.

It's a very minor hassle for Germans going on holiday to Greece.

rcs1000

tlg86 said:

HYUFD said:

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

No, the best result is that we vote to leave and the government ignore the result or try to have another referendum.

Which isn't going to happen.

NorfolkTilIDie

Indigo said:

SeanT said:

I wonder if the self-evident diminishment of Cameron, after the "deal", is now beginning to impact Tory polling.

Certainly some straws in the wind.

You have to admit that even leaving aside the value of a LEAVE vote on its own merits, unlikely as it is, there is going to be room for a massive gloat from all the people that have become just a little tired of the "excess of exuberance" from the Cameroons, who have been massively full of themselves after a successful GE and have been telling us how flawless their man has been on this renegotiation ever since. I believe the word you usual favour in these circumstances Mr T would be "piquant".

Cameron has clearly been class apart from opposition to date, but that opposition been VERY weak. Brown, then Miliband, then Corbyn. Only real talent he has faced has been Salmond and he survived that referendum by skin of his teeth. And looks like he will lose next round.

Omnium

Plato_Says said:

I'm after some more music recommendations. I detest jungle and rap et al - so anything else is cool for me. Any genre from any era.

Unless you know their work really well - Roxy Music.
You may never have heard of them, but - The Be Good Tanyas
Alarming that I'm suggesting this, but - Seth Lakeman
I know you'll have your doubts, but - Blondie

A random selection. Let me know if you (unexpectedly) approve.

Edit: To add something classical - Villa-Lobos

Sandpit

bigjohnowls said:

bigjohnowls said:

England need Broad now, Bad over from Woakes

Whoops 6,4,4 (three half volleys)

Rueing the dropped catches and missed run outs now are England. 8 runs from 4 overs all of a sudden.

rcs1000

Omnium said:

Plato_Says said:

I'm after some more music recommendations. I detest jungle and rap et al - so anything else is cool for me. Any genre from any era.

Unless you know their work really well - Roxy Music.
You may never have heard of them, but - The Be Good Tanyas
Alarming that I'm suggesting this, but - Seth Lakeman
I know you'll have your doubts, but - Blondie

A random selection. Let me know if you (unexpectedly) approve.

The National

TCPoliticalBetting

Plato_Says said:

Seriously, anything.

I've got Elizabethan lutes to heavy metal. There's something about most rap and that whole thing that grates on my IQ.

I've only found one band I like that does gangsta stuff and they're Nigger BlueGrass as a brand. They did the soundtrack for lots of Justified - Gangstagrass, the lyrics are very clever.

Ever heard Prince Buster?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLsqiyNk6fE&list=PLFC985CC6FACDABE6&index=6

Play 10 commandments - just for the leftie misogynists.

david_herdson

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Greece don't border any other EU state so it make no difference if they are in or out of Schengen. Gesture politics.

They border Bulgaria, though they're not yet in Schengen. There are ferries to Italy that would be affected.

Indigo

rcs1000 said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Greece don't border any other EU state so it make no difference if they are in or out of Schengen. Gesture politics.

It's a very minor hassle for Germans going on holiday to Greece.

They will presumeably be flying anyway.

The migrants will largely be on foot, so they will have to "leave" the EU anyway to travel north from Greece. But its still farcical, there is a whole line of former Eastern block countries immediately east of Greece with completely porous borders that lead the whole way into Poland, which has massively long and sparsely guarded borders, and then they are in Germany.

jayfdee

Omnium said:

Plato_Says said:

I'm after some more music recommendations. I detest jungle and rap et al - so anything else is cool for me. Any genre from any era.

Unless you know their work really well - Roxy Music.
You may never have heard of them, but - The Be Good Tanyas
Alarming that I'm suggesting this, but - Seth Lakeman
I know you'll have your doubts, but - Blondie

A random selection. Let me know if you (unexpectedly) approve.

Blondie,yes. I listen sometimes when out running etc, and picture this diminuitive blonde on stage commanding the audience,blasting out her music, a big buzz for Debbie, and even bigger buzz for the audience.
Makes me run just a bit faster.

NorfolkTilIDie

Greece should be pretty furious with Germany, since they would not be in this situation if Merkel had thought a bit more about her open doors policy.

HYUFD

david_herdson said:

HYUFD said:

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

Nah, it'd be to Leave given that all three traditional parties would be in disarray with a close vote either way. There'd be space to grow into a mainstream party.

The Tories would simply pick a Brexit backer and UKIP would lack any raison d'etre

david_herdson

HYUFD said:

david_herdson said:

HYUFD said:

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

Nah, it'd be to Leave given that all three traditional parties would be in disarray with a close vote either way. There'd be space to grow into a mainstream party.

The Tories would simply pick a Brexit backer and UKIP would lack any raison d'etre

True, but still in disarray.

P.s. anyone back the tie?

HYUFD

Omnium said:

HYUFD said:

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

UKIP the party, but I'm sure that every last one of their voters would prefer to go back to politics as normal within an independent UK.

UKIP don't really exist after a leave vote, and they'd be well advised to immediately disband.

Yes but for the careers of UKIP candidates Scotland showed a narrow referendum defeat does wonders?

bigjohnowls

SA win by 1 Wkt 16 balls to spare

jayfdee

Omnium said:

Plato_Says said:

I'm after some more music recommendations. I detest jungle and rap et al - so anything else is cool for me. Any genre from any era.

Unless you know their work really well - Roxy Music.
You may never have heard of them, but - The Be Good Tanyas
Alarming that I'm suggesting this, but - Seth Lakeman
I know you'll have your doubts, but - Blondie

A random selection. Let me know if you (unexpectedly) approve.

Edit: To add something classical - Villa-Lobos

For me, Queen, The Who, and Floyd hit the spot. Comfortably numb to finish the evening off.
I saw Queen, minus Freddie, last year, and they were excellent. Freddie did make a video appearance and the effect was stunning.

HYUFD

Indigo said:

HYUFD said:

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

Followed a month later by the EU imposing migrant quotas, and the Eurozone using the QMV majority to impose new regulations on the City.

By 2017 Le Pen will have come top in France, Wilders in the Netherlands and the UK would have nearly voted Out it will have enough on its hands without provoking the UK even further

Sandpit

bigjohnowls said:

Can the last 2 Wkts get another 23?

Yep!
That was a giveaway by England. Failed to use all their overs then missed too many chances in the field.

Fifth and final match on Sunday 14th. I think Mrs Sandpit may be a little upset if I'm watching too much of that one!

HYUFD

tlg86 said:

HYUFD said:

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

No, the best result is that we vote to leave and the government ignore the result or try to have another referendum.

Politically impossible, Tory MPs would simply replace Cameron with Fox or Patterson

Richard_Tyndall

HYUFD said:

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

I think the very best result for those who want to see UKIP gone would be a LEAVE victory. Any possible threat they might have been to either the Tories or Labour would evaporate in one fell swoop.

Sandpit

Plato_Says said:

Seriously, anything.

youtube.com/watch?v=Pcw5D1jgfyw

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Plato_Says said:

I'm after some more music recommendations. I detest jungle and rap et al - so anything else is cool for me. Any genre from any era.

upbeat?
quiet?
soul searching?
romantic?
laid back?

Happy Hardcore! For those who lived the '90s at 160pbm

http://youtu.be/K5gWFkC75A0

bigjohnowls

Sandpit said:

bigjohnowls said:

Can the last 2 Wkts get another 23?

Yep!
That was a giveaway by England. Failed to use all their overs then missed too many chances in the field.

Fifth and final match on Sunday 14th. I think Mrs Sandpit may be a little upset if I'm watching too much of that one!

Bloody Hell thanks for the reminder

Omnium

jayfdee said:

Omnium said:

Plato_Says said:

I'm after some more music recommendations. I detest jungle and rap et al - so anything else is cool for me. Any genre from any era.

Unless you know their work really well - Roxy Music.
You may never have heard of them, but - The Be Good Tanyas
Alarming that I'm suggesting this, but - Seth Lakeman
I know you'll have your doubts, but - Blondie

A random selection. Let me know if you (unexpectedly) approve.

Edit: To add something classical - Villa-Lobos

For me, Queen, The Who, and Floyd hit the spot. Comfortably numb to finish the evening off.
I saw Queen, minus Freddie, last year, and they were excellent. Freddie did make a video appearance and the effect was stunning.

I don't like any of them. I wanted to reply to your earlier comment about the merits of Blondie - great music, and their later work I now appreciate. However Plato's question was what would we recommend. So I'll rope myself in.

Speedy

david_herdson said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Greece don't border any other EU state so it make no difference if they are in or out of Schengen. Gesture politics.

They border Bulgaria, though they're not yet in Schengen. There are ferries to Italy that would be affected.

True, Greece effectively has no land borders with other countries in the zone.
However that hasn't stopped the immigration wave, so I suspect that any suspension will not have much impact on the problem.

rcs1000

Indigo said:

rcs1000 said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Greece don't border any other EU state so it make no difference if they are in or out of Schengen. Gesture politics.

It's a very minor hassle for Germans going on holiday to Greece.

They will presumeably be flying anyway.

The migrants will largely be on foot, so they will have to "leave" the EU anyway to travel north from Greece. But its still farcical, there is a whole line of former Eastern block countries immediately east of Greece with completely porous borders that lead the whole way into Poland, which has massively long and sparsely guarded borders, and then they are in Germany.

Before, though, they wouldn't need their passports to fly, any official government documentation would do. (Driving licence, Id card, etc)

rcs1000

HYUFD said:

Indigo said:

HYUFD said:

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

Followed a month later by the EU imposing migrant quotas, and the Eurozone using the QMV majority to impose new regulations on the City.

By 2017 Le Pen will have come top in France, Wilders in the Netherlands and the UK would have nearly voted Out it will have enough on its hands without provoking the UK even further

She tops the polls if it's Sarkozy as Les Republicans candidate. She's 5 points adrift if it's Juppe.

jayfdee

Remain or leave,I am a genuine undecided.
I am put off by both sides of the argument,I am definitely not a Kipper, I do not read the express, or the mail for that matter.
Just cannot see me siding with Farage and the Kippers, but not sure about remaining either.
Plenty of time yet to decide.

Richard_Tyndall

Plato_Says said:

I'm after some more music recommendations. I detest jungle and rap et al - so anything else is cool for me. Any genre from any era.

As someone already mentioned - Roxy Music. Start with the Stranded album, probably the best one they did.
As I linked to on the previous thread - Public Service Broadcasting. Just awesome.
Some American roots music - Pokey Lafarge. Fantastic.
Some Australian strangeness - CW Stoneking. A 40 year old white man who sounds like a 70 year old black blues man.
If you fancy folk - Show of Hands.

Indigo

rcs1000 said:

Indigo said:

rcs1000 said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Greece don't border any other EU state so it make no difference if they are in or out of Schengen. Gesture politics.

It's a very minor hassle for Germans going on holiday to Greece.

They will presumeably be flying anyway.

The migrants will largely be on foot, so they will have to "leave" the EU anyway to travel north from Greece. But its still farcical, there is a whole line of former Eastern block countries immediately east of Greece with completely porous borders that lead the whole way into Poland, which has massively long and sparsely guarded borders, and then they are in Germany.

Before, though, they wouldn't need their passports to fly, any official government documentation would do. (Driving licence, Id card, etc)

That was rather my point. It will annoy German tourists, and make damn all different to the migrant flow, Merkel seems to be on a roll for vote winners.

Sandpit

bigjohnowls said:

Sandpit said:

bigjohnowls said:

Can the last 2 Wkts get another 23?

Yep!
That was a giveaway by England. Failed to use all their overs then missed too many chances in the field.

Fifth and final match on Sunday 14th. I think Mrs Sandpit may be a little upset if I'm watching too much of that one!

Bloody Hell thanks for the reminder

LOL no worries. I hear that they are struggling to sell tickets for the match. Can't think why, although now it's the decider they will all be gone by the morning!

Omnium

Speedy said:

david_herdson said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Greece don't border any other EU state so it make no difference if they are in or out of Schengen. Gesture politics.

They border Bulgaria, though they're not yet in Schengen. There are ferries to Italy that would be affected.

True, Greece effectively has no land borders with other countries in the zone.
However that hasn't stopped the immigration wave, so I suspect that any suspension will not have much impact on the problem.

Interesting that you take that view - I'd almost have made the statement that Greece effectively has lots of "land" borders. In fact though they have far worse borders to defend than simple land borders.

Indigo

jayfdee said:

Remain or leave,I am a genuine undecided.
I am put off by both sides of the argument,I am definitely not a Kipper, I do not read the express, or the mail for that matter.
Just cannot see me siding with Farage and the Kippers, but not sure about remaining either.
Plenty of time yet to decide.

Farage and the kippers are for Christmas, but the EU if for life

Plato_Says

From your vids

First a bit too Lou Reed suicide

Loved the second by The Staves, new to me

Third, too pop opera for me

Adored and remember Murray Head! Saved that one xxx

O Jays! Great tune

Icicle Works - bit too frantic

Many thanx for all, plenty to dig into.

TCPoliticalBetting said:

del - how do i avoid images instead of images? Do i need to post each as a tiny url?

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

Sandpit said:

Plato_Says said:

Seriously, anything.

youtube.com/watch?v=Pcw5D1jgfyw

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Plato_Says said:

I'm after some more music recommendations. I detest jungle and rap et al - so anything else is cool for me. Any genre from any era.

upbeat?
quiet?
soul searching?
romantic?
laid back?

Happy Hardcore! For those who lived the '90s at 160pbm

http://youtu.be/K5gWFkC75A0

Reminds me of my days on the disco biscuits.

HYUFD

Richard_Tyndall said:

HYUFD said:

The best result for UKIP ironically would not be a Leave vote but a very narrow Remain victory

I think the very best result for those who want to see UKIP gone would be a LEAVE victory. Any possible threat they might have been to either the Tories or Labour would evaporate in one fell swoop.

Yes but that is not in UKIP's interests, for them a Leave vote would be as bad as a big Remain win

Indigo

Richard_Tyndall said:

If you fancy folk - Show of Hands.

And we learn be ashamed of all we walk
Of the way we look, at the way we talk
Without our stories or our songs

How will we know where we come from?
I've lost St. George in the Union Jack
That's my flag too and I want it back

Richard_Tyndall

Omnium said:

Speedy said:

david_herdson said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Greece don't border any other EU state so it make no difference if they are in or out of Schengen. Gesture politics.

They border Bulgaria, though they're not yet in Schengen. There are ferries to Italy that would be affected.

True, Greece effectively has no land borders with other countries in the zone.
However that hasn't stopped the immigration wave, so I suspect that any suspension will not have much impact on the problem.

Interesting that you take that view - I'd almost have made the statement that Greece effectively has lots of "land" borders. In fact though they have far worse borders to defend than simple land borders.

Speedy's point is correct. Greece has no land borders with any other Schengen countries so any migrant moving from Greece to another EU country on foot has already had to leave the Schengen area before they can get back in.

Casino_Royale

Sandpit said:

Plato_Says said:

Seriously, anything.

youtube.com/watch?v=Pcw5D1jgfyw

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Plato_Says said:

I'm after some more music recommendations. I detest jungle and rap et al - so anything else is cool for me. Any genre from any era.

upbeat?
quiet?
soul searching?
romantic?
laid back?

Happy Hardcore! For those who lived the '90s at 160pbm

http://youtu.be/K5gWFkC75A0

LOL!

Richard_Tyndall

Indigo said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

If you fancy folk - Show of Hands.

And we learn be ashamed of all we walk
Of the way we look, at the way we talk
Without our stories or our songs

How will we know where we come from?
I've lost St. George in the Union Jack
That's my flag too and I want it back

One of my favourites

"Haul away boys, let them go
Out in the wind and the rain and snow
We've lost more than we'll ever know
'Round the rocky shores of England"