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Dalton (Con defence) and Moss Bay (Lab defence) on Allerdale
Result of council at last election (2015): Labour 29, Conservatives 17, Independents 7, United Kingdom Independence Party 3 (Labour majority of 2)
Result of wards at last election (2015)

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  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Moss Bay sounds very piratey.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Second like Leave!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,164
    Third like Leicester on May 15th...

    (runs and hides).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Bungling Belgian anti-terror police quizzed 'mastermind' Abdeslam for just ONE HOUR before Brussels bloodbath as he was 'TOO TIRED' for questioning

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3508389/Abdeslam-questioned-ONE-HOUR-four-days-attacks-TIRED.html

    Dupond et Dupont at it again...
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    edited March 2016
    5th like Spurs on May 15th
    Edit: I do not want this to happen.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    US officials said he and his brother Khalid were on US counter-terror watch lists before the attacks.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35895416
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tlg86 said:

    Third like Leicester on May 15th...

    (runs and hides).

    Our best finish since 1928 and a Champions League place. I would have taken that at the start of the season! Arsenal have the best run in, but too big of gap to close I think. Leicesters target is 83 points, to be certain of winning. We have consistently got 2 points average per game all season so should get 80. Its going to be tough for Spurs to catch us...

    Sad to see Cruyff had an untimely death today. My earliest football memory was watching his sensational performance in the 74 world cup.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    What the hell is wrong with students these days. The 6th and 7th pictures are hilarious. The 7th particularly so as two students are comforting each other after viewing the word "Trump".
    Students freak out because someone chalked trump slogans on campus: Emory university president says students are scared and 'in pain'
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506491/Emory-president-Students-scared-Trump-2016-chalk-signs.html
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    MP_SE said:

    What the hell is wrong with students these days. The 6th and 7th pictures are hilarious. The 7th particularly so as two students are comforting each other after viewing the word "Trump".

    Students freak out because someone chalked trump slogans on campus: Emory university president says students are scared and 'in pain'
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506491/Emory-president-Students-scared-Trump-2016-chalk-signs.html


    WTF
    University organizations also offered counselling to those affected
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    SAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFEEE SPPPACCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,164

    tlg86 said:

    Third like Leicester on May 15th...

    (runs and hides).

    Our best finish since 1928 and a Champions League place. I would have taken that at the start of the season! Arsenal have the best run in, but too big of gap to close I think. Leicesters target is 83 points, to be certain of winning. We have consistently got 2 points average per game all season so should get 80. Its going to be tough for Spurs to catch us...

    Sad to see Cruyff had an untimely death today. My earliest football memory was watching his sensational performance in the 74 world cup.
    I think Leicester should do it - but that might be the problem. So far the players look very comfortable where they are and haven't started panicking, but I hope Arsenal (though hopefully not Spurs) can keep you honest to the end.

    Yes, sad news about Cruyff. It was a shame that the Netherlands did not win the World Cup in 1974 or 1978. Whether Cruyff would have made the difference in the latter is not known, but they are certainly one of the greatest teams in the history of the game.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Moses_ said:

    MP_SE said:

    What the hell is wrong with students these days. The 6th and 7th pictures are hilarious. The 7th particularly so as two students are comforting each other after viewing the word "Trump".

    Students freak out because someone chalked trump slogans on campus: Emory university president says students are scared and 'in pain'
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506491/Emory-president-Students-scared-Trump-2016-chalk-signs.html
    WTF
    University organizations also offered counselling to those affected


    Preparing them for the real world.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    O/T.on Paris and Brussels....It is difficult to imagine a time in human history when such a bunch of pathetic, group of puerile, inadequate, immature, mommy's boy, losers were able to gain such traction.

    ISIS, and Islamism offers this pathetic group something. It is almost impossible to take them seriously other than the fact that they cause such carnage and unbearable heartbreak.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 5,996
    It seems a little silly that the US primaries are still being polled at a national level when most of the delegates have already been alloted.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Moses_ said:

    MP_SE said:

    What the hell is wrong with students these days. The 6th and 7th pictures are hilarious. The 7th particularly so as two students are comforting each other after viewing the word "Trump".

    Students freak out because someone chalked trump slogans on campus: Emory university president says students are scared and 'in pain'
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506491/Emory-president-Students-scared-Trump-2016-chalk-signs.html
    WTF
    University organizations also offered counselling to those affected


    Unbelievable. Heaven forbid that someone has a position they disagree with. Recent stories like these are making me reconsider my life in academia!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited March 2016
    The most incredible scandal is brewing in the poker / gambling industry. The head of Amaya (a company you probably won't of heard of, but it behind a lot of internet gambling) has been charged with insider trading and people have started to dig and the story is going everywhere. From his dodgy brother being involved with running an illegal lottery scheme and still owing the victims, to the CEO of the world largest porn company also being named in the insider trading case and that companies very chequered past.

    Also, the small matter of one of the world largest asset manager BlackRock have pumped huge sums into Amaya.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,746
    tyson said:

    O/T.on Paris and Brussels....It is difficult to imagine a time in human history when such a bunch of pathetic, group of puerile, inadequate, immature, mommy's boy, losers were able to gain such traction.

    ISIS, and Islamism offers this pathetic group something. It is almost impossible to take them seriously other than the fact that they cause such carnage and unbearable heartbreak.

    I thought for a second your first paragraph was on the Belgian police. I was thinking it seemed a bit harsh, then I saw the rest and it made sense.

    I would however argue the Nazis were a similar bunch of sexual and emotional inadequates - Hitler's lusting after his teenage niece springs to mind - who had far greater traction and caused considerably more carnage and heartbreak.

    It is worth further mentioning at this point that Hitler was a big admirer of Wahhabist Islam (the creed which underpins much of Daesh's dogma) and was reported as saying that would have been a much better religion for Germany than 'meek and flabby' Christianity. Which suggests there is something rather radically wrong with it.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Not watching it, but my timeline suggests the Scottish leaders debate is not going quite the way Nicola expected
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited March 2016
    There was some discussion in the papers a week or two back concerning at what age children are safe to be left alone. One columnist expressed a view that the reluctance of parents to let their children be alone even for very brief periods was to blame for all this "safe-spacing" and "trigger-warning" stuff. The argument was that the children never developed the independence of thought and mind to cope with the challenges of living in the outside world. Too many universities seem to treat themselves as overgrown creches.

    It makes me feel old, but at 23 I was handling cardiac arrests, massive road trauma and attempts at suicide. At 21 my wife was often Nurse in charge of a chest surgery ward with deaths every day. Friends of mine were really searching out safe spaces and looking for trigger warnings in Northern Ireland at the same age.

    Stifling children leads to immature adults. I blame the parents, and the Universities in Loco Parentis.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,746

    Also, the small matter of one of the world largest asset manager BlackRock have pumped huge sums into Amaya.

    Oooh, dear that could be nasty. A lot of charities invest in BRIM. A charity I used to run years ago did, for example. I remember wondering at the time why its accounts were so opaque. However, as they paid out regularly and we only had about 10% of our assets in them, I decided it wasn't really that important and just let it go.

    If this turns out to be the start of something big there, a lot of people who have never even heard of Black Rock but use charities that have money with it are going to get badly hurt.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    Actually ydoethur, when I was sending off my post, I thought of Hitler and his repulsive bunch of inadequates, misfits and losers.

    I dunno about humanity- I kind of believe that we have sufficient checks and balances in our system of governance, but then you have this kind of horror emerging.
    ydoethur said:

    tyson said:

    O/T.on Paris and Brussels....It is difficult to imagine a time in human history when such a bunch of pathetic, group of puerile, inadequate, immature, mommy's boy, losers were able to gain such traction.

    ISIS, and Islamism offers this pathetic group something. It is almost impossible to take them seriously other than the fact that they cause such carnage and unbearable heartbreak.

    I thought for a second your first paragraph was on the Belgian police. I was thinking it seemed a bit harsh, then I saw the rest and it made sense.

    I would however argue the Nazis were a similar bunch of sexual and emotional inadequates - Hitler's lusting after his teenage niece springs to mind - who had far greater traction and caused considerably more carnage and heartbreak.

    It is worth further mentioning at this point that Hitler was a big admirer of Wahhabist Islam (the creed which underpins much of Daesh's dogma) and was reported as saying that would have been a much better religion for Germany than 'meek and flabby' Christianity. Which suggests there is something rather radically wrong with it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,746

    Stifling children leads to immature adults. I blame the parents, and the Universities in Loco Parentis.

    Thank you Doctor for not mentioning the schools.

    I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone does though :smiley:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited March 2016
    ydoethur said:

    Also, the small matter of one of the world largest asset manager BlackRock have pumped huge sums into Amaya.

    Oooh, dear that could be nasty. A lot of charities invest in BRIM. A charity I used to run years ago did, for example. I remember wondering at the time why its accounts were so opaque. However, as they paid out regularly and we only had about 10% of our assets in them, I decided it wasn't really that important and just let it go.

    If this turns out to be the start of something big there, a lot of people who have never even heard of Black Rock but use charities that have money with it are going to get badly hurt.
    I think Blackrock will be fine, but they backed Amaya with huge funds to take over Pokerstars for $4.9 bn, when at the time Amaya at turnover of $160 million and never made a profit...

    Pokerstars is still making money however, so at worst Blackrock still have a solid asset (although Amaya are running the site appallingly).

    And now it seems the guy behind Amaya, his brother etc are as dodgy as hell. And then a whole list of other people are alleged to have been given privileged information about this takeover.

    I mean would you do business with these brothers on a multi billion takeover?

    https://advisor1.dynamic.ca/servlet/WireFeedRedirect?cf=GlobeInvestor/dynamic/config&vg=BigAdVariableGenerator&date=20150612&archive=rtgam&slug=escenic_24950113
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    MORE: French Interior Minister: French national arrested today led to Paris raids that foiled attack in advanced stage of preparation.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,746
    tyson said:

    Actually ydoethur, when I was sending off my post, I thought of Hitler and his repulsive bunch of inadequates, misfits and losers.

    I dunno about humanity- I kind of believe that we have sufficient checks and balances in our system of governance, but then you have this kind of horror emerging.

    ydoethur said:

    tyson said:

    O/T.on Paris and Brussels....It is difficult to imagine a time in human history when such a bunch of pathetic, group of puerile, inadequate, immature, mommy's boy, losers were able to gain such traction.

    ISIS, and Islamism offers this pathetic group something. It is almost impossible to take them seriously other than the fact that they cause such carnage and unbearable heartbreak.

    I thought for a second your first paragraph was on the Belgian police. I was thinking it seemed a bit harsh, then I saw the rest and it made sense.

    I would however argue the Nazis were a similar bunch of sexual and emotional inadequates - Hitler's lusting after his teenage niece springs to mind - who had far greater traction and caused considerably more carnage and heartbreak.

    It is worth further mentioning at this point that Hitler was a big admirer of Wahhabist Islam (the creed which underpins much of Daesh's dogma) and was reported as saying that would have been a much better religion for Germany than 'meek and flabby' Christianity. Which suggests there is something rather radically wrong with it.
    What's disturbing about the Nazis is that you can't make any plausible excuse for them. They were not in a poor country, which is not to deny it had economic problems; nor was it backward or superstitious, being the cradle of enlightenment thought; nor were they marginalised in society, containing as they did Goering and Ludendorff.

    They were evil and they happened. Therefore, as you say, such things could happen anywhere.
  • LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    Re:student distress sufficient to necessitate counselling on seeing the word "Trump"... reminds me of my university days when an ironic rending of "Nellie the Elephant" would often feature at student discos... All together now: "Off she went with a trumpty-trump. Trump, trump, trump!".

    More seriously, although my older daughter is only 15, she tells me that lots of her acquaintances at school are almost desperate to have some sort of mental illness diagnosed - depression, OCD, self-harming, eating disorder. She reckons it has become almost like a badge of honour these days or at least it has done amongst girls she knows. These are intelligent girls at a grammar school. A worrying trend.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    edited March 2016
    At the age of 12 I was smoking dope quite regularly and pretty responsibly, truanting a bit, and in control of roughly all my needs,,, laundry, meals etc.. Didn't hinder me at all in getting straight A's a O level and A level either. But as my wife tells me, she was still playing with her barbie dolls until the age of 14.

    There was some discussion in the papers a week or two back concerning at what age children are safe to be left alone. One columnist expressed a view that the reluctance of parents to let their children be alone even for very brief periods was to blame for all this "safe-spacing" and "trigger-warning" stuff. The argument was that the children never developed the independence of thought and mind to cope with the challenges of living in the outside world. Too many universities seem to treat themselves as overgrown creches.

    It makes me feel old, but at 23 I was handling cardiac arrests, massive road trauma and attempts at suicide. At 21 my wife was often Nurse in charge of a chest surgery ward with deaths every day. Friends of mine were really searching out safe spaces and looking for trigger warnings in Northern Ireland at the same age.

    Stifling children leads to immature adults. I blame the parents, and the Universities in Loco Parentis.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    ydoethur said:

    Stifling children leads to immature adults. I blame the parents, and the Universities in Loco Parentis.

    Thank you Doctor for not mentioning the schools.

    I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone does though :smiley:
    Schools get enough of this nonsense from parents themselves. Kids need to learn to rub along with the wider world, and school is an excellent place to learn about bullying, verbal attacks, mindless rules and a bit of physical rough and tumble. Schools need to know when to let the kids sort it out amongst themselves and when it really does need an adult intervention.

    Mind you fellow parents were aghast when my 8 year old son broke his arm jumping out of a tree. "Kids who don't break the odd bone every now and then are not getting enough exercise!" meant only slightly in jest.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,746
    LucyJones said:

    Re:student distress sufficient to necessitate counselling on seeing the word "Trump"... reminds me of my university days when an ironic rending of "Nellie the Elephant" would often feature at student discos... All together now: "Off she went with a trumpty-trump. Trump, trump, trump!".

    More seriously, although my older daughter is only 15, she tells me that lots of her acquaintances at school are almost desperate to have some sort of mental illness diagnosed - depression, OCD, self-harming, eating disorder. She reckons it has become almost like a badge of honour these days or at least it has done amongst girls she knows. These are intelligent girls at a grammar school. A worrying trend.

    Tell them to read 'Black is the Colour of my True Love's Heart' by Ellis Peters.

    After a teenage girl spends a whole page psychoanalysing herself and her disorders, she is withered with the phrase 'You're a perfectly normal adolescent who spends too much time in adult company.'

    And that was in about 1960!

    Goodnight all, and Happy Easter.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Nicola Sturgeon says she wants 50p income tax rate
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    MP_SE said:

    What the hell is wrong with students these days. The 6th and 7th pictures are hilarious. The 7th particularly so as two students are comforting each other after viewing the word "Trump".

    Students freak out because someone chalked trump slogans on campus: Emory university president says students are scared and 'in pain'
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506491/Emory-president-Students-scared-Trump-2016-chalk-signs.html


    Absolutely pitiful, the next generation of leaders are being moulded in these places and it, quite frankly, scares the shit out of me.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Nicola Sturgeon says she wants 50p income tax rate

    @jcullinane86: So Nicola

    Backs 50p tax but won't implement it

    Opposes fracking but won't ban it

    Prioritises education but will cut it

    #LeadersDebate
  • LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    @ydoethur

    (Quote doesn't seem to be working for me).

    I'll get my daughter to read the book you mention. To be honest, she feels like an observer of the angst around her, rather than a sufferer. Her own theory is that she is far too busy studying, playing sport and practicing music to spend loads of time navel-gazing. Lots of her friends seem to go to school, hang out on social media .... and that's about it.

    Anyway, happy Easter. Am off to the Wye Valley tomorrow for a short holiday. Looks like it is going to be a very wet break!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,231

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    ydoethur said:

    LucyJones said:

    Re:student distress sufficient to necessitate counselling on seeing the word "Trump"... reminds me of my university days when an ironic rending of "Nellie the Elephant" would often feature at student discos... All together now: "Off she went with a trumpty-trump. Trump, trump, trump!".

    More seriously, although my older daughter is only 15, she tells me that lots of her acquaintances at school are almost desperate to have some sort of mental illness diagnosed - depression, OCD, self-harming, eating disorder. She reckons it has become almost like a badge of honour these days or at least it has done amongst girls she knows. These are intelligent girls at a grammar school. A worrying trend.

    Tell them to read 'Black is the Colour of my True Love's Heart' by Ellis Peters.

    After a teenage girl spends a whole page psychoanalysing herself and her disorders, she is withered with the phrase 'You're a perfectly normal adolescent who spends too much time in adult company.'

    And that was in about 1960!

    Goodnight all, and Happy Easter.
    I was quite interested in psychiatry and considered it for a career.

    One thing that troubled me was whether labelling odd behaviour helped or hindered recovery. Despite its ubiquity there is a paucity of evidence that such counselling does help much following perceived trauma. I think that neurotic personalities can be made worse by excessive dwelling on such things.

    Thats not to say that certain forms of extreme trauma don't benefit from short time limited intervention. Group therapy became commonplace after being used on combat fatigued troops in WW2. It was recognised that timely and time limited discussion with fellows having had similar experiences was the quickest and surest way to get soldiers combat fit again and returned to action.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited March 2016
    saddened said:

    MP_SE said:

    What the hell is wrong with students these days. The 6th and 7th pictures are hilarious. The 7th particularly so as two students are comforting each other after viewing the word "Trump".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506491/Emory-president-Students-scared-Trump-2016-chalk-signs.html

    Absolutely pitiful, the next generation of leaders are being moulded in these places and it, quite frankly, scares the shit out of me.
    There's no reason for these dysfunctional dweebs to be leaders of anything, provided people treat them with the ridicule they deserve, demolish their imaginary 'safe spaces', and vote for people such as Donald Trump.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @TelePolitics: Former shadow cabinet minister on 'hostile' list is being targeted 'because she is Jewish', MPs claim https://t.co/DUnei73beE
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    RobD said:

    Moses_ said:

    MP_SE said:

    What the hell is wrong with students these days. The 6th and 7th pictures are hilarious. The 7th particularly so as two students are comforting each other after viewing the word "Trump".

    Students freak out because someone chalked trump slogans on campus: Emory university president says students are scared and 'in pain'
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506491/Emory-president-Students-scared-Trump-2016-chalk-signs.html
    WTF
    University organizations also offered counselling to those affected
    Unbelievable. Heaven forbid that someone has a position they disagree with. Recent stories like these are making me reconsider my life in academia!

    Surely this is an unintended consequence of the commodification of learning. If you are a customer paying through the nose, you are going to expect your views to be pandered to.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    Serendipity. That was the song that I associate spliffing up to as a young 12/13 year old whippersnapper... That and Closer/Unknown Pleasures by Joy Division which I still love.
    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Scott_P said:

    @TelePolitics: Former shadow cabinet minister on 'hostile' list is being targeted 'because she is Jewish', MPs claim https://t.co/DUnei73beE

    "Ah the Jews...again", to quote Gerald Kaufman...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,231

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    Yeah, they usually used to spend ages climbing up and when they got there, they stayed around for a bit.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    RodCrosby said:

    saddened said:

    MP_SE said:

    What the hell is wrong with students these days. The 6th and 7th pictures are hilarious. The 7th particularly so as two students are comforting each other after viewing the word "Trump".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506491/Emory-president-Students-scared-Trump-2016-chalk-signs.html

    Absolutely pitiful, the next generation of leaders are being moulded in these places and it, quite frankly, scares the shit out of me.
    There's no reason for these dysfunctional dweebs to be leaders of anything, provided people treat them with the ridicule they deserve, demolish their imaginary 'safe spaces', and vote for people such as Donald Trump.
    I'd be tempted to vote trump just to watch their tiny minds explode.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,164
    saddened said:

    RodCrosby said:

    saddened said:

    MP_SE said:

    What the hell is wrong with students these days. The 6th and 7th pictures are hilarious. The 7th particularly so as two students are comforting each other after viewing the word "Trump".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506491/Emory-president-Students-scared-Trump-2016-chalk-signs.html

    Absolutely pitiful, the next generation of leaders are being moulded in these places and it, quite frankly, scares the shit out of me.
    There's no reason for these dysfunctional dweebs to be leaders of anything, provided people treat them with the ridicule they deserve, demolish their imaginary 'safe spaces', and vote for people such as Donald Trump.
    I'd be tempted to vote trump just to watch their tiny minds explode.
    Not just them, but senior politicians including our very own PM.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    Yeah, they usually used to spend ages climbing up and when they got there, they stayed around for a bit.
    It was the first to go straight in at no1 since Slade's "Merry Christmas" in 1973 at least according to this site:

    http://ukcharts.20m.com/number1.html#enter1

    Perhaps my profession shows in my choice of favourite Jam track "the Bitterest Pill"
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Just a note on terror 'watch lists' . Being on a watch list doesn't actually count for too much in itself. Such lists can run to many thousands of individuals and does not, because in all practicality it can't mean actually intensively watching anyone in all encompassing manner.

    The Bakraoui brothers progress to the point of these attacks actually show a notably different pattern than those that traditionally feature high on the ones to watch list.

    That in itself is a serious worry because the priority filtering exercise gets more difficult if they represent a distinct subset of people coming within IS orbit. Whether these guys are an exception or a new angle will be important to assess.

    The UK is lucky in any number of ways with its counter Islamist terrorist capabilities but the truth is the kind of IS controlled, directed and executed attacks seen in France and Belgium haven't really been sniffed here to a great degree. Given the widespread belief that something of this kind has been on the slate for some time the question is why has their been comparatively little concrete evidence of it yet in the UK? There are number of either/or/all possibilities:

    -IS didn't have the appropriate infrastructure & people in place for some time
    -The spooks have kept a tremendous amount under wraps domestically
    -The interdiction efforts at source are proving successful
    -The authorities aren't seeing it and we'll get blindsided.

    IS really want to hit the UK and by now could and should have the people ready to do some damage. The concern is that if and when IS do launch a truly centrally directed attack, it will be a first-time variation on a well known theme, causing a serious stretch problem and that it may not be all pure domestic citizens involved in its execution.


  • tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    I'm going to sound like such an old fogey- but the Specials, Billy Bragg, UB40 et al- and my beloved Manchester music- Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Buzzcocks, and then the Stone Roses, the Mondays, Primal Scream. And we were all living off post modernist American 70's cinema- Scorcese, Pakula, Ashby, Cimino, Allen, Coppola etc...

    Musically, culturally, I cannot complain about the time and place I grew up in. Thank god it isn't as boring as Adele, the Internet, Facebook and multi channel TV.

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited March 2016
    More anti-terror raids in Paris and Brussels tonight.

    The Times has a story the cell was planning a radioactive dirty bomb.

    Trump: Britain will leave EU.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited March 2016
    Y0kel said:

    Just a note on terror 'watch lists' . Being on a watch list doesn't actually count for too much in itself. Such lists can run to many thousands of individuals and does not, because in all practicality it can't mean actually intensively watching anyone in all encompassing manner.

    The Bakraoui brothers progress to the point of these attacks actually show a notably different pattern than those that traditionally feature high on the ones to watch list.

    That in itself is a serious worry because the priority filtering exercise gets more difficult if they represent a distinct subset of people coming within IS orbit. Whether these guys are an exception or a new angle will be important to assess.

    The UK is lucky in any number of ways with its counter Islamist terrorist capabilities but the truth is the kind of IS controlled, directed and executed attacks seen in France and Belgium haven't really been sniffed here to a great degree. Given the widespread belief that something of this kind has been on the slate for some time the question is why has their been comparatively little concrete evidence of it yet in the UK? There are number of either/or/all possibilities:

    -IS didn't have the appropriate infrastructure & people in place for some time
    -The spooks have kept a tremendous amount under wraps domestically
    -The interdiction efforts at source are proving successful
    -The authorities aren't seeing it and we'll get blindsided.

    IS really want to hit the UK and by now could and should have the people ready to do some damage. The concern is that if and when IS do launch a truly centrally directed attack, it will be a first-time variation on a well known theme, causing a serious stretch problem and that it may not be all pure domestic citizens involved in its execution.


    The scariest bit of the Panorama wasn't the numpties like the guy who paniced, shot himself and them phoned for an ambulance while in a car packed to the nines with weapons...it was that there was infrastructure that silently delivered that car to a car park and that was directed from ISIS in Syria.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tyson said:

    I'm going to sound like such an old fogey- but the Specials, Billy Bragg, UB40 et al- and my beloved Manchester music- Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Buzzcocks, and then the Stone Roses, the Mondays, Primal Scream. And we were all living off post modernist American 70's cinema- Scorcese, Pakula, Ashby, Cimino, Allen, Coppola etc...

    Musically, culturally, I cannot complain about the time and place I grew up in. Thank god it isn't as boring as Adele, the Internet, Facebook and multi channel TV.

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    The Specials are playing Leicester November 3rd. Its a dilemma, after all it is local byelection night on here!

    There is some good music round now too. Just the mainstream has been drowned in look alike talent show wannabees.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Can I ask that down thread the long url links are shortened or removed? As the page is unreadable. Comments bleeding into the right hand archive menu. I've only just been able to select the Post Comment button!
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Should say that I'm on iPhone.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited March 2016
    Lol.

    Europhile Tory donor calls for leadership contest after EU referendum.
    Alexander Temerko says Cameron should face ballot whatever the referendum result, and that Boris Johnson should win
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/24/tory-donor-urges-david-cameron-resign-after-eu-referendum
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited March 2016
    RodCrosby said:

    More anti-terror raids in Paris and Brussels tonight.

    The Times has a story the cell was planning a radioactive dirty bomb.

    Trump: Britain will leave EU.

    The Mail had a report (that was a translation from a paper on the continent) that said they had hours of footage related to a nuclear power station and employees.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    BREAKING: Six arrests made in Brussels police operation after attacks: Belga news agency
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    edited March 2016
    Use a url shortener or the <a href="www.someurl.com/page">some text</a> tags
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,879
    tyson said:

    I'm going to sound like such an old fogey- but the Specials, Billy Bragg, UB40 et al- and my beloved Manchester music- Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Buzzcocks, and then the Stone Roses, the Mondays, Primal Scream. And we were all living off post modernist American 70's cinema- Scorcese, Pakula, Ashby, Cimino, Allen, Coppola etc...

    Musically, culturally, I cannot complain about the time and place I grew up in. Thank god it isn't as boring as Adele, the Internet, Facebook and multi channel TV.

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    UB40!!!!?????

    I saw the Jam loads of times at the Rainbow and also their final gig in Brighton. They were superb. The late 70s/early 80s was a golden time for music and much else, even as the country itself seemed to be in permanent turmoil. Maybe that was the reason. London Calling was maybe the definitive song of that era.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JournoStephen: Congratulations to BBC #LeadersDebate audience on hiding their English accents. Think we managed to fool them this time. #OperationDundeeII
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    More anti-terror raids in Paris and Brussels tonight.

    The Times has a story the cell was planning a radioactive dirty bomb.

    Trump: Britain will leave EU.

    The Mail had a report (that was a translation from a paper on the continent) that said they had hours of footage related to a nuclear power station and employees.
    We are in a Long Emergency, an undeclared (civil) War in Europe, with increasing mass casualties inevitable.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,879
    The annual Royal Navy v French Navy match went well then:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P6DRNPIgOOY&feature=youtu.be
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    More anti-terror raids in Paris and Brussels tonight.

    The Times has a story the cell was planning a radioactive dirty bomb.

    Trump: Britain will leave EU.

    The Mail had a report (that was a translation from a paper on the continent) that said they had hours of footage related to a nuclear power station and employees.
    We are in a Long Emergency, an undeclared (civil) War in Europe, with increasing mass casualties inevitable.
    No no you have it all wrong, if Belgians weren't racist there wouldn't be a problem...or something like that....they just need to reaffirm their unwritten deal with the local Islamists to agree not to go disrupting them anymore and there won't be any more problems.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274

    The annual Royal Navy v French Navy match went well then:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P6DRNPIgOOY&feature=youtu.be

    All because somebody called one of them a Gypsy Boy....
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    All because somebody called one of them a Gypsy Boy....

    Joe Marler could face a four-week ban after World Rugby delivered a slap in the face to Six Nations organisers by saying that the England prop would face a misconduct hearing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Scott_P said:

    All because somebody called one of them a Gypsy Boy....

    Joe Marler could face a four-week ban after World Rugby delivered a slap in the face to Six Nations organisers by saying that the England prop would face a misconduct hearing.
    Given the bar being set so low, if Brian Moore still played rugby he would be permanently suspended....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,231
    tyson said:

    I'm going to sound like such an old fogey- but the Specials, Billy Bragg, UB40 et al- and my beloved Manchester music- Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Buzzcocks, and then the Stone Roses, the Mondays, Primal Scream. And we were all living off post modernist American 70's cinema- Scorcese, Pakula, Ashby, Cimino, Allen, Coppola etc...

    Musically, culturally, I cannot complain about the time and place I grew up in. Thank god it isn't as boring as Adele, the Internet, Facebook and multi channel TV.

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    Hey, don't knock 70's American paranoia...The Parallax View, Winter Kills, Three Days of the Condor, The Candidate, The Conversation, All The President's Men and it all came together in Apocalypse Now, which took everything, turned it up to eleven, then set it on fire. You had Carpenter and Romero in horror, De Niro driving a taxi, Snake Plissken on top of the WTC, Olivier telling Hoffman why don't you just act...
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,263
    >Stifling children leads to immature adults. I blame the parents, and the Universities in Loco Parentis. <

    I'm not sure we have a consensus on what we want kids to be. There's the sentimental "let children be children" idea, which I remember hating as a kid and wanting to grow out of as fast as possible: I've never met a child who didn't want to be older. There's the "children should be mature" idea, linked to low age of criminal responsibility and relates to the sort of stifling Fox mentions. There's the "children should be free to explore and experiment" idea, which is probably the dominant view at the moment, but adults are unnervingly inconsistent in what they mean by it - is it sinister or OK or a good thing if a 12-year tries wine, or 14-year-olds explore sex, or 18-year-olds get hammered and have sex with strangers in Spain? I'd be confused, God knows what the average young teenager thinks is desirable behaviour.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Use a url shortener or the <a href="www.someurl.com/page">some text</a> tags

    TinyURL.com will do it quick and easy
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @adrianmcmenamin: President Obama, Who Has Run Out of F*cks, Just Burned Ted Cruz - In response to Cruz's batshit prop https://t.co/nG6B5Xu72X via @Esquire
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Ind gain Dalton
    Labour hold Moss Bay
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    The annual Royal Navy v French Navy match went well then:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P6DRNPIgOOY&feature=youtu.be

    What was the outcome? The Navy has something to live up to in terms of casualty ratio.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited March 2016

    >Stifling children leads to immature adults. I blame the parents, and the Universities in Loco Parentis. <

    I'm not sure we have a consensus on what we want kids to be. There's the sentimental "let children be children" idea, which I remember hating as a kid and wanting to grow out of as fast as possible: I've never met a child who didn't want to be older. There's the "children should be mature" idea, linked to low age of criminal responsibility and relates to the sort of stifling Fox mentions. There's the "children should be free to explore and experiment" idea, which is probably the dominant view at the moment, but adults are unnervingly inconsistent in what they mean by it - is it sinister or OK or a good thing if a 12-year tries wine, or 14-year-olds explore sex, or 18-year-olds get hammered and have sex with strangers in Spain? I'd be confused, God knows what the average young teenager thinks is desirable behaviour.

    Inconsistency is the worst. We equip children with eyes to the world such as internet and social media then fill them with fears about it, so they become spectators rather than activists.

    Its not easy being a parent, but the toughest bit is letting them go. Fox jr spent last summer backpacking in South America. I had to pull over on the road home and stifle tears after dropping him at the airport. It did him the world of good though. He is a level headed lad and matured noticeably over the couple of months. A lot better than xbox.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Kettering

    Con 468
    Lab 180
    UKIP 149
    Green 93
    LD 28

    Con hold
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    Scott_P said:

    @adrianmcmenamin: President Obama, Who Has Run Out of F*cks, Just Burned Ted Cruz - In response to Cruz's batshit prop https://t.co/nG6B5Xu72X via @Esquire

    Excellent.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    Yeah, they usually used to spend ages climbing up and when they got there, they stayed around for a bit.
    Radio 1 used to have a "guess the order" competition on Thursday - surprisingly no one got it that week. (yep I remember it well also). Usually a good number 1 was no 1 for 4 weeks (I don't like Mondays, We don't talk anymore). Bright Eyes made 6 weeks and Grease songs (Summer nights, you're the one that I want) - 16 weeks.

    There were some exceptions - "Baker Street" was in the chart for months without doing anything really - as was "The Birdie Song" - reached #2.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Allerdale - Dalton

    Ind 133
    Lab 118
    Con 93
    UKIP 53
    Green 22


    Allerdale -Moss Bay

    Lab 411
    UKIP 189
    Con 33
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    More anti-terror raids in Paris and Brussels tonight.

    The Times has a story the cell was planning a radioactive dirty bomb.

    Trump: Britain will leave EU.

    The Mail had a report (that was a translation from a paper on the continent) that said they had hours of footage related to a nuclear power station and employees.
    We are in a Long Emergency, an undeclared (civil) War in Europe, with increasing mass casualties inevitable.
    I have to agree. What we are seeing now are just the opening skirmishes.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    weejonnie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    Yeah, they usually used to spend ages climbing up and when they got there, they stayed around for a bit.
    Radio 1 used to have a "guess the order" competition on Thursday - surprisingly no one got it that week. (yep I remember it well also). Usually a good number 1 was no 1 for 4 weeks (I don't like Mondays, We don't talk anymore). Bright Eyes made 6 weeks and Grease songs (Summer nights, you're the one that I want) - 16 weeks.

    There were some exceptions - "Baker Street" was in the chart for months without doing anything really - as was "The Birdie Song" - reached #2.
    The Jam were rather good at getting straight in at number 1. Indeed, if I recall correctly, no one had done it before they did since the early 70s and Slade.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    Wanderer said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    More anti-terror raids in Paris and Brussels tonight.

    The Times has a story the cell was planning a radioactive dirty bomb.

    Trump: Britain will leave EU.

    The Mail had a report (that was a translation from a paper on the continent) that said they had hours of footage related to a nuclear power station and employees.
    We are in a Long Emergency, an undeclared (civil) War in Europe, with increasing mass casualties inevitable.
    I have to agree. What we are seeing now are just the opening skirmishes.
    Britain may well leave the EU, but Trump won't be president when it happens.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,231
    weejonnie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    Yeah, they usually used to spend ages climbing up and when they got there, they stayed around for a bit.
    Radio 1 used to have a "guess the order" competition on Thursday - surprisingly no one got it that week. (yep I remember it well also). Usually a good number 1 was no 1 for 4 weeks (I don't like Mondays, We don't talk anymore). Bright Eyes made 6 weeks and Grease songs (Summer nights, you're the one that I want) - 16 weeks.

    There were some exceptions - "Baker Street" was in the chart for months without doing anything really - as was "The Birdie Song" - reached #2.
    We are *this* close to resurrecting the Shaddap You Face/Vienna controversy... :)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038

    tyson said:

    I'm going to sound like such an old fogey- but the Specials, Billy Bragg, UB40 et al- and my beloved Manchester music- Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Buzzcocks, and then the Stone Roses, the Mondays, Primal Scream. And we were all living off post modernist American 70's cinema- Scorcese, Pakula, Ashby, Cimino, Allen, Coppola etc...

    Musically, culturally, I cannot complain about the time and place I grew up in. Thank god it isn't as boring as Adele, the Internet, Facebook and multi channel TV.

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    UB40!!!!?????

    I saw the Jam loads of times at the Rainbow and also their final gig in Brighton. They were superb. The late 70s/early 80s was a golden time for music and much else, even as the country itself seemed to be in permanent turmoil. Maybe that was the reason. London Calling was maybe the definitive song of that era.

    Fine times. I loved London Calling. I played that record to its death.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Wanderer said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    More anti-terror raids in Paris and Brussels tonight.

    The Times has a story the cell was planning a radioactive dirty bomb.

    Trump: Britain will leave EU.

    The Mail had a report (that was a translation from a paper on the continent) that said they had hours of footage related to a nuclear power station and employees.
    We are in a Long Emergency, an undeclared (civil) War in Europe, with increasing mass casualties inevitable.
    I have to agree. What we are seeing now are just the opening skirmishes.
    Britain may well leave the EU, but Trump won't be president when it happens.
    It was the increasing mass casualties that I was referring to.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    viewcode said:

    weejonnie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    Yeah, they usually used to spend ages climbing up and when they got there, they stayed around for a bit.
    Radio 1 used to have a "guess the order" competition on Thursday - surprisingly no one got it that week. (yep I remember it well also). Usually a good number 1 was no 1 for 4 weeks (I don't like Mondays, We don't talk anymore). Bright Eyes made 6 weeks and Grease songs (Summer nights, you're the one that I want) - 16 weeks.

    There were some exceptions - "Baker Street" was in the chart for months without doing anything really - as was "The Birdie Song" - reached #2.
    We are *this* close to resurrecting the Shaddap You Face/Vienna controversy... :)
    It means nothing to me.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited March 2016
    The reviews are in on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and they don't look good for a studio hoping to start a billion-dollar superhero franchise.

    Among one of the more hilarious lines was J.R. Jones at the Chicago Reader, who said the film 'was 'not as bad as Bush v. Gore, but close'.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,917
    weejonnie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    Yeah, they usually used to spend ages climbing up and when they got there, they stayed around for a bit.
    Radio 1 used to have a "guess the order" competition on Thursday - surprisingly no one got it that week. (yep I remember it well also). Usually a good number 1 was no 1 for 4 weeks (I don't like Mondays, We don't talk anymore). Bright Eyes made 6 weeks and Grease songs (Summer nights, you're the one that I want) - 16 weeks.

    There were some exceptions - "Baker Street" was in the chart for months without doing anything really - as was "The Birdie Song" - reached #2.
    Reet Petite by Jackie Wilson was Christmas #1 in 1986 - it took just 29 years to hit the top slot!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    What's the problem with UB40?

    tyson said:

    I'm going to sound like such an old fogey- but the Specials, Billy Bragg, UB40 et al- and my beloved Manchester music- Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Buzzcocks, and then the Stone Roses, the Mondays, Primal Scream. And we were all living off post modernist American 70's cinema- Scorcese, Pakula, Ashby, Cimino, Allen, Coppola etc...

    Musically, culturally, I cannot complain about the time and place I grew up in. Thank god it isn't as boring as Adele, the Internet, Facebook and multi channel TV.

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    UB40!!!!?????

    I saw the Jam loads of times at the Rainbow and also their final gig in Brighton. They were superb. The late 70s/early 80s was a golden time for music and much else, even as the country itself seemed to be in permanent turmoil. Maybe that was the reason. London Calling was maybe the definitive song of that era.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,231

    tyson said:

    I'm going to sound like such an old fogey- but the Specials, Billy Bragg, UB40 et al- and my beloved Manchester music- Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Buzzcocks, and then the Stone Roses, the Mondays, Primal Scream. And we were all living off post modernist American 70's cinema- Scorcese, Pakula, Ashby, Cimino, Allen, Coppola etc...

    Musically, culturally, I cannot complain about the time and place I grew up in. Thank god it isn't as boring as Adele, the Internet, Facebook and multi channel TV.

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    UB40!!!!?????

    I saw the Jam loads of times at the Rainbow and also their final gig in Brighton. They were superb. The late 70s/early 80s was a golden time for music and much else, even as the country itself seemed to be in permanent turmoil. Maybe that was the reason. London Calling was maybe the definitive song of that era.

    Fine times. I loved London Calling. I played that record to its death.
    I didn't know whether to be proud or embarrassed about its use in Die Another Day... :(
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    viewcode said:

    weejonnie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    Yeah, they usually used to spend ages climbing up and when they got there, they stayed around for a bit.
    Radio 1 used to have a "guess the order" competition on Thursday - surprisingly no one got it that week. (yep I remember it well also). Usually a good number 1 was no 1 for 4 weeks (I don't like Mondays, We don't talk anymore). Bright Eyes made 6 weeks and Grease songs (Summer nights, you're the one that I want) - 16 weeks.

    There were some exceptions - "Baker Street" was in the chart for months without doing anything really - as was "The Birdie Song" - reached #2.
    We are *this* close to resurrecting the Shaddap You Face/Vienna controversy... :)
    What controversy? The better song won, fair and square.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    tyson said:

    I'm going to sound like such an old fogey- but the Specials, Billy Bragg, UB40 et al- and my beloved Manchester music- Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Buzzcocks, and then the Stone Roses, the Mondays, Primal Scream. And we were all living off post modernist American 70's cinema- Scorcese, Pakula, Ashby, Cimino, Allen, Coppola etc...

    Musically, culturally, I cannot complain about the time and place I grew up in. Thank god it isn't as boring as Adele, the Internet, Facebook and multi channel TV.

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    UB40!!!!?????

    I saw the Jam loads of times at the Rainbow and also their final gig in Brighton. They were superb. The late 70s/early 80s was a golden time for music and much else, even as the country itself seemed to be in permanent turmoil. Maybe that was the reason. London Calling was maybe the definitive song of that era.

    Fine times. I loved London Calling. I played that record to its death.
    I'm still playing it
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,917
    edited March 2016

    The reviews are in on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and they don't look good for a studio hoping to start a billion-dollar superhero franchise.

    Among one of the more hilarious lines was J.R. Jones at the Chicago Reader, who said the film 'was 'not as bad as Bush v. Gore, but close'.

    TSE will in all likelihood love it :lol:

    According to Wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_v_Superman:_Dawn_of_Justice

    Review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes gave Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice an approval rating of 31%, based on 185 reviews, with an average rating was 5.1/10. According to the site's critical consensus, "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice smothers a potentially powerful story – and some of America's most iconic superheroes – in a grim whirlwind of effects-driven action."[145] Metacritic, which assigns a normalized rating to reviews from mainstream critics, gave the film an average score of 44 out of 100, based on 50 critics, indicating "mixed or average reviews".[146]
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,231

    viewcode said:

    weejonnie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    Yeah, they usually used to spend ages climbing up and when they got there, they stayed around for a bit.
    Radio 1 used to have a "guess the order" competition on Thursday - surprisingly no one got it that week. (yep I remember it well also). Usually a good number 1 was no 1 for 4 weeks (I don't like Mondays, We don't talk anymore). Bright Eyes made 6 weeks and Grease songs (Summer nights, you're the one that I want) - 16 weeks.

    There were some exceptions - "Baker Street" was in the chart for months without doing anything really - as was "The Birdie Song" - reached #2.
    We are *this* close to resurrecting the Shaddap You Face/Vienna controversy... :)
    It means nothing to me.

    The feeling has gone, only you and I...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    During we the expenses scandal we thought our MP were a load of money grabbing lowlifes and in some cases criminals.

    In Brazil, 60%, yes 6-0 percentage, of their legislature face criminal proceedings including murder.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,917
    AndyJS said:

    What's the problem with UB40?

    tyson said:

    I'm going to sound like such an old fogey- but the Specials, Billy Bragg, UB40 et al- and my beloved Manchester music- Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Buzzcocks, and then the Stone Roses, the Mondays, Primal Scream. And we were all living off post modernist American 70's cinema- Scorcese, Pakula, Ashby, Cimino, Allen, Coppola etc...

    Musically, culturally, I cannot complain about the time and place I grew up in. Thank god it isn't as boring as Adele, the Internet, Facebook and multi channel TV.

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    UB40!!!!?????

    I saw the Jam loads of times at the Rainbow and also their final gig in Brighton. They were superb. The late 70s/early 80s was a golden time for music and much else, even as the country itself seemed to be in permanent turmoil. Maybe that was the reason. London Calling was maybe the definitive song of that era.

    They played the O2 Academy in Brum a couple of months ago. I didn't attend, but saw the queues on the way to my hotel.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,231

    The reviews are in on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and they don't look good for a studio hoping to start a billion-dollar superhero franchise.

    They don't look good for a studio hoping to overtake an asthmatic ant. They're not Fant4Stic explode-on-the-pad awful, but lord, we were hoping for Skyfall and we got Spectre, whoops. Chris Stuckmann gave it a C+, god knows what Kermode will think. So, Zack, did you like your directing career?... :)

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038

    AndyJS said:

    What's the problem with UB40?

    tyson said:

    I'm going to sound like such an old fogey- but the Specials, Billy Bragg, UB40 et al- and my beloved Manchester music- Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Buzzcocks, and then the Stone Roses, the Mondays, Primal Scream. And we were all living off post modernist American 70's cinema- Scorcese, Pakula, Ashby, Cimino, Allen, Coppola etc...

    Musically, culturally, I cannot complain about the time and place I grew up in. Thank god it isn't as boring as Adele, the Internet, Facebook and multi channel TV.

    viewcode said:

    It makes me feel old ...

    I can beat that. The Jam. "Going Underground". Number 1 on this day...thirty-five years ago.
    Straight in at number one as I recall, which was very rare in those days. I remember it well.
    UB40!!!!?????

    I saw the Jam loads of times at the Rainbow and also their final gig in Brighton. They were superb. The late 70s/early 80s was a golden time for music and much else, even as the country itself seemed to be in permanent turmoil. Maybe that was the reason. London Calling was maybe the definitive song of that era.

    They played the O2 Academy in Brum a couple of months ago. I didn't attend, but saw the queues on the way to my hotel.
    Despite being a fellow Brummie I was never wild about UB40. But their name? Brilliance.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    viewcode said:

    The reviews are in on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and they don't look good for a studio hoping to start a billion-dollar superhero franchise.

    They don't look good for a studio hoping to overtake an asthmatic ant. They're not Fant4Stic explode-on-the-pad awful, but lord, we were hoping for Skyfall and we got Spectre, whoops. Chris Stuckmann gave it a C+, god knows what Kermode will think. So, Zack, did you like your directing career?... :)

    Given its Easter, is Kermode away? It will be a shame if we miss out of a Kermodian rant of epic proportions.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,231

    viewcode said:

    The reviews are in on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and they don't look good for a studio hoping to start a billion-dollar superhero franchise.

    They don't look good for a studio hoping to overtake an asthmatic ant. They're not Fant4Stic explode-on-the-pad awful, but lord, we were hoping for Skyfall and we got Spectre, whoops. Chris Stuckmann gave it a C+, god knows what Kermode will think. So, Zack, did you like your directing career?... :)

    Given its Easter, is Kermode away? It will be a shame if we miss out of a Kermodian rant of epic proportions.
    I want his head to explode and cover Simon Mayo in bloodsoaked quiff. All it needs is for Michael Bay and Uwe Boll to film Sex and the City 3. In 3D. It's only a matter of time...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited March 2016
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    The reviews are in on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and they don't look good for a studio hoping to start a billion-dollar superhero franchise.

    They don't look good for a studio hoping to overtake an asthmatic ant. They're not Fant4Stic explode-on-the-pad awful, but lord, we were hoping for Skyfall and we got Spectre, whoops. Chris Stuckmann gave it a C+, god knows what Kermode will think. So, Zack, did you like your directing career?... :)

    Given its Easter, is Kermode away? It will be a shame if we miss out of a Kermodian rant of epic proportions.
    I want his head to explode and cover Simon Mayo in bloodsoaked quiff. All it needs is for Michael Bay and Uwe Boll to film Sex and the City 3. In 3D. It's only a matter of time...
    Not just In 3D...only available in 3D....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,231

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    The reviews are in on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and they don't look good for a studio hoping to start a billion-dollar superhero franchise.

    They don't look good for a studio hoping to overtake an asthmatic ant. They're not Fant4Stic explode-on-the-pad awful, but lord, we were hoping for Skyfall and we got Spectre, whoops. Chris Stuckmann gave it a C+, god knows what Kermode will think. So, Zack, did you like your directing career?... :)

    Given its Easter, is Kermode away? It will be a shame if we miss out of a Kermodian rant of epic proportions.
    I want his head to explode and cover Simon Mayo in bloodsoaked quiff. All it needs is for Michael Bay and Uwe Boll to film Sex and the City 3. In 3D. It's only a matter of time...
    Not just In 3D...only available in 3D....
    :)
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    >Stifling children leads to immature adults. I blame the parents, and the Universities in Loco Parentis. <

    I'm not sure we have a consensus on what we want kids to be. There's the sentimental "let children be children" idea, which I remember hating as a kid and wanting to grow out of as fast as possible: I've never met a child who didn't want to be older. There's the "children should be mature" idea, linked to low age of criminal responsibility and relates to the sort of stifling Fox mentions. There's the "children should be free to explore and experiment" idea, which is probably the dominant view at the moment, but adults are unnervingly inconsistent in what they mean by it - is it sinister or OK or a good thing if a 12-year tries wine, or 14-year-olds explore sex, or 18-year-olds get hammered and have sex with strangers in Spain? I'd be confused, God knows what the average young teenager thinks is desirable behaviour.

    Inconsistency is the worst. We equip children with eyes to the world such as internet and social media then fill them with fears about it, so they become spectators rather than activists.

    Its not easy being a parent, but the toughest bit is letting them go. Fox jr spent last summer backpacking in South America. I had to pull over on the road home and stifle tears after dropping him at the airport. It did him the world of good though. He is a level headed lad and matured noticeably over the couple of months. A lot better than xbox.
    Crikey, Doc. You had it easy, your boy wanted to go. I had to damn near force my lad to go volunteering in Honduras. Letting him go was the easy bit, that he keeps coming back is the hard part.

    He is home on leave as of Sunday, for five, whole, days - my bandwidth will disappear under his usage, I'll not be able to go to for a bath when I want, the food stocks will be ransacked, I'll have a huge pile of ironing to to do and my knowledge of the naval pacific war (1941-1945) and the 14th century will again come under great scrutiny. Actually, I am rather looking forward to it
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Local Elections: Sleazy Tories on the slide ? Huge swing to Labour in Dalton.
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