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edited March 2016 in General

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Moriah (Lab defence) on Caerphilly
Result of council at last election (2012) : Labour 50, Plaid Cymru 20, Independents 3 (Labour majority of 27)
Result of ward at last election (2012) :

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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    First!
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Second like Remain.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Curse of the new thread! FPT:

    I'm struggling to believe this football scare story. It's almost as if nobody had realised that the reason that the work permit ruled have recently been tightened is that there are so many EU nationals in the league. [*] And that if EU nationals could be treated as foreign rather than effectively British, the work permit rules could be loosened, thus allowing lesser EU nationals to be replaced by better non-EU nationals.

    [*] This in turn is because UK talent attracts a premium. I've always assumed this is because there's a lower risk of homesickness.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    If anyone is interested in noting such things, I received a letter from LeaveEU today, by post.
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    MP_SE said:

    Second like Remain.

    Like!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    From previous thread:

    By the way it was just a couple of days ago that I rang the warning bell on Trump again about the situation in Wisconsin, once again I was right and the odds in the markets changed.

    Last time I rang the warning bell about Trump was after Super Tuesday about Cruz overperforming and the schedule being favorable to Cruz until March 8th, I was right again and the odds in the markets changed.

    Not to mention my accurate predictions about Rubio, Bush, Fiorina, Walker, Christie ect ect.
    So my predictive record on the GOP race is still intact (Ben Carson being the exception, but he did shine briefly in October and November).

    What does the future hold though?
    Well I will make another prediction that if all things stay the same, Trump's odds are going to bounce back in the markets if he wins N.Y. by as much as the polls say.

    20 days till N.Y votes is a long time though.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    On topic.

    The only interesting race tonight is Clacton East, who knows who will win, though odds are it would be UKIP.

    Goodnight.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    AnneJGP said:

    If anyone is interested in noting such things, I received a letter from LeaveEU today, by post.

    I'm interested - I'm curious how widely and how well the campaigns are reaching out. I've had two items from BSE, one several months ago, but I don't recall anything from Leave yet.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    That Richmond defence looks tricky at first glance.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Curse of the new thread! FPT:

    I'm struggling to believe this football scare story. It's almost as if nobody had realised that the reason that the work permit ruled have recently been tightened is that there are so many EU nationals in the league. [*] And that if EU nationals could be treated as foreign rather than effectively British, the work permit rules could be loosened, thus allowing lesser EU nationals to be replaced by better non-EU nationals.

    [*] This in turn is because UK talent attracts a premium. I've always assumed this is because there's a lower risk of homesickness.

    I can't believe it to be a bad thing if the UK is encouraged to develop home-grown talent.

    The below was posted last thread.

    When discussing the referendum on twitter, David Cameron, Jeremy Corbyn and Nigel Farage come out as the politicians most referred to, however only 1% of these tweets were of a positive tone – a breakdown of whether the tweets were positive or negative can be seen below:

    David Cameron: Positive 1%, Neutral 57%, Negative 42%
    Jeremy Corbyn: Positive 1%, Neutral 43%, Negative 55%
    Nigel Farage: Positive 1%, Neutral 82%, Negative 17%

    Showing Farage most popular (least unpopular) leader on twitter.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    https://twitter.com/sfiegerman/status/715565898958970881

    I give up, the US Media is as ludicrous as that photo of that guy and the plane hijacker.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Speedy said:

    https://twitter.com/sfiegerman/status/715565898958970881

    I give up, the US Media is as ludicrous as that photo of that guy and the plane hijacker.

    Eating an American staple with a knife and fork didn't do Dave any harm...
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,335
    Massively off-topic, and slightly unfairly, Ronnie Corbett's passing has reminded me of all the comedy classics of the early 80s.

    What I particularly loved about Not the Nine O'Clock News is that (not only was the BBC brave enough to commission and support it) but it took the piss out of everyone: marxists, trade unions, Conservatives, the established church, hippies, nosy TV presenters, pub culture, advertisers, bigotry of some police constables, darts championships, popular game shows and pop and sports stars.

    It's just totally and utterly brilliant, purely British wit and satire, with every sketch original and no hint of identity politics or political bias (or correctness) creeping in. At all.

    What I wouldn't give for a similar comedy now...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ynt9JZWFkk&ebc=ANyPxKoucLKyp2L19ORNI-6bItVXVX1NAMFrlaWgULL7kIp6g69mPWmF0ob4S8h8uGcWUxrtXd4SOxgN8co2oJm_0gTqBRXnMA
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,335
    Speedy said:

    From previous thread:

    By the way it was just a couple of days ago that I rang the warning bell on Trump again about the situation in Wisconsin, once again I was right and the odds in the markets changed.

    Last time I rang the warning bell about Trump was after Super Tuesday about Cruz overperforming and the schedule being favorable to Cruz until March 8th, I was right again and the odds in the markets changed.

    Not to mention my accurate predictions about Rubio, Bush, Fiorina, Walker, Christie ect ect.
    So my predictive record on the GOP race is still intact (Ben Carson being the exception, but he did shine briefly in October and November).

    What does the future hold though?
    Well I will make another prediction that if all things stay the same, Trump's odds are going to bounce back in the markets if he wins N.Y. by as much as the polls say.

    20 days till N.Y votes is a long time though.

    You ring the warning bell more often than my postman rings my front doorbell.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2016

    Massively off-topic, and slightly unfairly, Ronnie Corbett's passing has reminded me of all the comedy classics of the early 80s.

    What I particularly loved about Not the Nine O'Clock News is that (not only was the BBC brave enough to commission and support it) but it took the piss out of everyone: marxists, trade unions, Conservatives, the established church, hippies, nosy TV presenters, pub culture, advertisers, bigotry of some police constables, darts championships, popular game shows and pop and sports stars.

    It's just totally and utterly brilliant, purely British wit and satire, with every sketch original and no hint of identity politics or political bias (or correctness) creeping in. At all.

    What I wouldn't give for a similar comedy now...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ynt9JZWFkk&ebc=ANyPxKoucLKyp2L19ORNI-6bItVXVX1NAMFrlaWgULL7kIp6g69mPWmF0ob4S8h8uGcWUxrtXd4SOxgN8co2oJm_0gTqBRXnMA

    They had a comedy writer on R5 this afternoon and he made a good point that so many of the great comedies were in the 80's AND they were suitable for pretty much the whole family. Now, we many of the "hit" comedy are either aimed at specific demographics and hardly any are enjoyed by young to old in the way say Only Fools and Horses was.

    The fact they could play a montage of the best bits of 80's comedies in the afternoon, with no images just audio, and them still very really funny. Nothing can do match all those criteria.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    kle4 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    If anyone is interested in noting such things, I received a letter from LeaveEU today, by post.

    I'm interested - I'm curious how widely and how well the campaigns are reaching out. I've had two items from BSE, one several months ago, but I don't recall anything from Leave yet.
    This is, I believe, the first communication I've received from any organisation involved in the EU referendum.
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,546
    kle4 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    If anyone is interested in noting such things, I received a letter from LeaveEU today, by post.

    I'm interested - I'm curious how widely and how well the campaigns are reaching out. I've had two items from BSE, one several months ago, but I don't recall anything from Leave yet.
    I had an addressed letter from Stronger In today. Quite effective and focussing on jobs and prices. I've had a phone call from Vote Leave, but I think they contacted me because I'm a councillor rather than a full phone canvass.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,335
    kle4 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    If anyone is interested in noting such things, I received a letter from LeaveEU today, by post.

    I'm interested - I'm curious how widely and how well the campaigns are reaching out. I've had two items from BSE, one several months ago, but I don't recall anything from Leave yet.
    I've had the BSE propaganda.

    Nothing from Leave. I wonder if they're bothering at all to target London/SE. I'm in a solidly wealthy home county area, but one that votes over 60%+ Conservative. Always.

    Perhaps they see the Midlands as the crucial swing region?
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    Massively off-topic, and slightly unfairly, Ronnie Corbett's passing has reminded me of all the comedy classics of the early 80s.

    What I particularly loved about Not the Nine O'Clock News is that (not only was the BBC brave enough to commission and support it) but it took the piss out of everyone: marxists, trade unions, Conservatives, the established church, hippies, nosy TV presenters, pub culture, advertisers, bigotry of some police constables, darts championships, popular game shows and pop and sports stars.

    It's just totally and utterly brilliant, purely British wit and satire, with every sketch original and no hint of identity politics or political bias (or correctness) creeping in. At all.

    What I wouldn't give for a similar comedy now...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ynt9JZWFkk&ebc=ANyPxKoucLKyp2L19ORNI-6bItVXVX1NAMFrlaWgULL7kIp6g69mPWmF0ob4S8h8uGcWUxrtXd4SOxgN8co2oJm_0gTqBRXnMA

    As a nine year old, Not the Nine O'clock News was one of my favourite shows.
    Too many favourite sketches to list.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Looking at TNS 74% of men aged over 55 will definitely vote - and 21% of men under 35.
    Only 16% (sixteen) percent of women under 35 will definitely vote.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    kle4 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    If anyone is interested in noting such things, I received a letter from LeaveEU today, by post.

    I'm interested - I'm curious how widely and how well the campaigns are reaching out. I've had two items from BSE, one several months ago, but I don't recall anything from Leave yet.
    I've had the BSE propaganda.

    Nothing from Leave. I wonder if they're bothering at all to target London/SE. I'm in a solidly wealthy home county area, but one that votes over 60%+ Conservative. Always.

    Perhaps they see the Midlands as the crucial swing region?
    My house has had mails leaflets from both.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,335

    Massively off-topic, and slightly unfairly, Ronnie Corbett's passing has reminded me of all the comedy classics of the early 80s.

    What I particularly loved about Not the Nine O'Clock News is that (not only was the BBC brave enough to commission and support it) but it took the piss out of everyone: marxists, trade unions, Conservatives, the established church, hippies, nosy TV presenters, pub culture, advertisers, bigotry of some police constables, darts championships, popular game shows and pop and sports stars.

    It's just totally and utterly brilliant, purely British wit and satire, with every sketch original and no hint of identity politics or political bias (or correctness) creeping in. At all.

    What I wouldn't give for a similar comedy now...

    They had a comedy writer on R5 this afternoon and he made a good point that so many of the great comedies were in the 80's AND they were suitable for pretty much the whole family. Now, we many of the "hit" comedy are either aimed at specific demographics and hardly any are enjoyed by young to old in the way say Only Fools and Horses was.

    The fact they could play a montage of the best bits of 80's comedies in the afternoon, with no images just audio, and them still very really funny. Nothing can do match all those criteria.

    I can't think of anything funny similar on British TV. Last one that hit the button for me was Big Train.

    There are shows like live at the Apollo, but if comedians go near social and political comedy nowadays they almost always do it exclusively from the Left.

    Indeed, Michael McIntyre has been attacked for not doing enough of that.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,335
    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    Very interesting politics may result, if that does occur.

    Still sticking by your 55:45 prediction to Remain?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    edited March 2016
    Not The Nine O'Clock News is fantastic.

    Speaking of fantastic comedy, The Adventures of Sir Edric is in the pipeline of publication. Not up yet on Amazon (there was a small technical issue delay), but it should be a matter of hours, at most. I'm hoping it'll be up shortly [there's no defined time limit so I can't be more specific, unfortunately].
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    Interestingly a significant number of Greater Londoners (14%) preferred not to say whether they would vote or not.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    Very interesting politics may result, if that does occur.

    Still sticking by your 55:45 prediction to Remain?
    My prediction in the PB competition was Leave 50.6% IIRC. I've changed my mind to 50/50 since then.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
    My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

    Plus unicorn insurance.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
    My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

    Plus unicorn insurance.
    I'd rather have a free owl.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    Very interesting politics may result, if that does occur.

    Still sticking by your 55:45 prediction to Remain?
    My prediction in the PB competition was Leave 50.6% IIRC. I've changed my mind to 50/50 since then.
    Does anyone have the Nojam prediction tbread to hand. I would be interested to review it.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
    My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

    Plus unicorn insurance.
    Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Quidder, mingle the two, and have Pegasus.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,335
    Moses_ said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
    My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

    Plus unicorn insurance.
    Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!
    Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

    I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

    It'll be so much fun.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    On eighties comedy (or indeed any period) it is easy to remember the funny stuff and forget all the lame stuff. There was plenty of dross about then too. Little and Large, Keith Harris and Orville, the Crankies, Terry and June, Bread, Butterflies etc etc.

    Some things age better than others "Whatever happened to the Likely Lads?" remains as funny as ever, "The Goodies" is painful as is "Some Mothers do 'ave 'em". I used to find it unmissable as a kid.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285


    Moses_ said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
    My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

    Plus unicorn insurance.
    Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!
    Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

    I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

    It'll be so much fun.
    The Boris winning meltdown was pretty epic....
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548


    Moses_ said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
    My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

    Plus unicorn insurance.
    Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!
    Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

    I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

    It'll be so much fun.
    Nearly as much fun as the Daily Telegraph readers when Remain gets a thumping victory! :-)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2016

    On eighties comedy (or indeed any period) it is easy to remember the funny stuff and forget all the lame stuff. There was plenty of dross about then too. Little and Large, Keith Harris and Orville, the Crankies, Terry and June, Bread, Butterflies etc etc.

    Some things age better than others "Whatever happened to the Likely Lads?" remains as funny as ever, "The Goodies" is painful as is "Some Mothers do 'ave 'em". I used to find it unmissable as a kid.

    That is true...but like now the big hits are for instance Mrs Brown's Boys. That is not suitable for all nor liked across all demographics.

    When you only have 3-4 channels it is also certainly easier to get a massive following.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865


    Moses_ said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
    My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

    Plus unicorn insurance.
    Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!
    Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

    I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

    It'll be so much fun.
    Indeed... And the anguished wailing from north of the border would probably put a herd of strangled cats to shame. :lol:
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    Moses_ said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
    My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

    Plus unicorn insurance.
    Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!
    Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

    I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

    It'll be so much fun.
    The Boris winning meltdown was pretty epic....
    All those leftie celebs who promised to emigrate and then forgot to.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285


    Moses_ said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
    My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

    Plus unicorn insurance.
    Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!
    Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

    I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

    It'll be so much fun.
    The Boris winning meltdown was pretty epic....
    All those leftie celebs who promised to emigrate and then forgot to.
    I remember Polly totally off the chart. They kept trying to push this Boris is racist (forget who he is married to) and that all non-whites should be shitting themselves over a Boris Mayoral victory.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    On eighties comedy (or indeed any period) it is easy to remember the funny stuff and forget all the lame stuff. There was plenty of dross about then too. Little and Large, Keith Harris and Orville, the Crankies, Terry and June, Bread, Butterflies etc etc.

    Some things age better than others "Whatever happened to the Likely Lads?" remains as funny as ever, "The Goodies" is painful as is "Some Mothers do 'ave 'em". I used to find it unmissable as a kid.

    That is true...but like now the big hits are for instance Mrs Brown's Boys. That is not suitable for all nor liked across all demographics.
    Peter Kay is pretty consistently funny, yet suitable for all the family.

    His Car Share was very well observed.

    At the cruder end of comedy, I am rather fond of "Drifters". The first series of "Cuckoo" was pretty good too.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865


    Moses_ said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
    My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

    Plus unicorn insurance.
    Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!
    Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

    I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

    It'll be so much fun.
    The Boris winning meltdown was pretty epic....
    All those leftie celebs who promised to emigrate and then forgot to.
    Didn't someone of this parish threaten to "emigrate" in such an event. Now who was that?
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    Very interesting politics may result, if that does occur.

    Still sticking by your 55:45 prediction to Remain?
    My prediction in the PB competition was Leave 50.6% IIRC. I've changed my mind to 50/50 since then.
    Does anyone have the Nojam prediction tbread to hand. I would be interested to review it.
    http://show.nojam.com/a2t9/search.php

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2016

    On eighties comedy (or indeed any period) it is easy to remember the funny stuff and forget all the lame stuff. There was plenty of dross about then too. Little and Large, Keith Harris and Orville, the Crankies, Terry and June, Bread, Butterflies etc etc.

    Some things age better than others "Whatever happened to the Likely Lads?" remains as funny as ever, "The Goodies" is painful as is "Some Mothers do 'ave 'em". I used to find it unmissable as a kid.

    That is true...but like now the big hits are for instance Mrs Brown's Boys. That is not suitable for all nor liked across all demographics.
    Peter Kay is pretty consistently funny, yet suitable for all the family.

    His Car Share was very well observed.

    At the cruder end of comedy, I am rather fond of "Drifters". The first series of "Cuckoo" was pretty good too.
    Peter Kay is a good shout, although he produces very little material in terms of tv shows (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). 12 episodes of Phoenix Nights, 5 episodes Max + Paddy and 4 stand up shows in past 16 years ? Car Share wasn't that popular (it wasn't written by him).

    In comparison, Only Fools and Horses is 64 regular episodes, plus a load of specials.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Stewart Lee is the only comic that matters. His latest Comedy Vehicle series is as brilliant as ever.

    He's certainly not for everyone but his comedy breathtakingly pipping and dangerous. The type of laugher where you wonder if you should be laughing.

    If you don't like the concept of his stage persona of "failing, bitter standup comedian" then it will fall flat. But if you buy into him make believe world there is none better
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    Very interesting politics may result, if that does occur.

    Still sticking by your 55:45 prediction to Remain?
    My prediction in the PB competition was Leave 50.6% IIRC. I've changed my mind to 50/50 since then.
    Does anyone have the Nojam prediction tbread to hand. I would be interested to review it.
    http://show.nojam.com/a2t9/search.php

    I clearly wasn't paying attention, as I appear to have the Leave percentage and turnout percentage adding up to 100%. Either that's a staggering coincidence, or for some reason I thought I was adding in Leave and Remain separately.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    Very interesting politics may result, if that does occur.

    Still sticking by your 55:45 prediction to Remain?
    My prediction in the PB competition was Leave 50.6% IIRC. I've changed my mind to 50/50 since then.
    Does anyone have the Nojam prediction tbread to hand. I would be interested to review it.
    http://show.nojam.com/a2t9/search.php

    Thanks. It will be interesting to see how the median and mean have shifted for the next one.

    And of course tommorow we have JackW's ARSE4EU to look forward to. I recall that previous ARSE showings have shown very little volatility. Probably correctly as the current arguments on both sides are pretty feeble. Remain do well on my Facebook feed, but how much others see of that I do not know.

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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Moses_ said:


    Moses_ said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
    My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

    Plus unicorn insurance.
    Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!
    Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

    I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

    It'll be so much fun.
    Indeed... And the anguished wailing from north of the border would probably put a herd of strangled cats to shame. :lol:
    So THAT'S what's inside those bags with pipes sticking out.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited March 2016
    I am sure that Leavers will be converted to the true faith if they read this piece from inFacts:

    http://infacts.org/maggies-1975-pro-europe-case-remains-strong-today/


    Excellent targetting of ads via Facebook.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    TRUMPS LEAD AMONGST WHITE MEN WILL SWEEP HIM TO THE WHITEHOUSE

    image

    Oh.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Alistair said:

    TRUMPS LEAD AMONGST WHITE MEN WILL SWEEP HIM TO THE WHITEHOUSE

    image

    Oh.

    Hillary will be an excellent President :-)
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited March 2016

    I am sure that Leavers will be converted to the true faith if they read this piece from inFacts:

    http://infacts.org/maggies-1975-pro-europe-case-remains-strong-today/


    Excellent targetting of ads via Facebook.

    InFacts is littered with inaccuracies, surrendering sovereignty to the EU is the same as membership of NATO, Norway having no influence over technical standards, etc. Not so much InFacts as InAccuracies.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MP_SE said:

    I am sure that Leavers will be converted to the true faith if they read this piece from inFacts:

    http://infacts.org/maggies-1975-pro-europe-case-remains-strong-today/


    Excellent targetting of ads via Facebook.

    InFacts is littered with inaccuracies, surrendering sovereignty to the EU is the same as membership of NATO, Norway having no influence over technical standards, etc. Not so much InFacts as InAccuracies.
    Just quoting MrsThatcher....

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    FensterFenster Posts: 2,115

    On eighties comedy (or indeed any period) it is easy to remember the funny stuff and forget all the lame stuff. There was plenty of dross about then too. Little and Large, Keith Harris and Orville, the Crankies, Terry and June, Bread, Butterflies etc etc.

    Some things age better than others "Whatever happened to the Likely Lads?" remains as funny as ever, "The Goodies" is painful as is "Some Mothers do 'ave 'em". I used to find it unmissable as a kid.

    That is true...but like now the big hits are for instance Mrs Brown's Boys. That is not suitable for all nor liked across all demographics.
    Peter Kay is pretty consistently funny, yet suitable for all the family.

    His Car Share was very well observed.

    At the cruder end of comedy, I am rather fond of "Drifters". The first series of "Cuckoo" was pretty good too.
    Peter Kay is a good shout, although he produces very little material in terms of tv shows (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). 12 episodes of Phoenix Nights, 5 episodes Max + Paddy and 4 stand up shows in past 16 years ? Car Share wasn't that popular (it wasn't written by him).

    In comparison, Only Fools and Horses is 64 regular episodes, plus a load of specials.
    Scandalous that John Sullivan wasn't knighted. Uneducated, working class Londoner who created a work of genius. There was genuine pathos in Only Fools; it was beautifully conceived. The 'Harrison Watch' episode had 26 million viewers. Extraordinary!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Fenster said:

    On eighties comedy (or indeed any period) it is easy to remember the funny stuff and forget all the lame stuff. There was plenty of dross about then too. Little and Large, Keith Harris and Orville, the Crankies, Terry and June, Bread, Butterflies etc etc.

    Some things age better than others "Whatever happened to the Likely Lads?" remains as funny as ever, "The Goodies" is painful as is "Some Mothers do 'ave 'em". I used to find it unmissable as a kid.

    That is true...but like now the big hits are for instance Mrs Brown's Boys. That is not suitable for all nor liked across all demographics.
    Peter Kay is pretty consistently funny, yet suitable for all the family.

    His Car Share was very well observed.

    At the cruder end of comedy, I am rather fond of "Drifters". The first series of "Cuckoo" was pretty good too.
    Peter Kay is a good shout, although he produces very little material in terms of tv shows (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). 12 episodes of Phoenix Nights, 5 episodes Max + Paddy and 4 stand up shows in past 16 years ? Car Share wasn't that popular (it wasn't written by him).

    In comparison, Only Fools and Horses is 64 regular episodes, plus a load of specials.
    Scandalous that John Sullivan wasn't knighted. Uneducated, working class Londoner who created a work of genius. There was genuine pathos in Only Fools; it was beautifully conceived. The 'Harrison Watch' episode had 26 million viewers. Extraordinary!
    Only Fools and Horses started well, but later jumped the shark.

    Like Fawlty Towers its best to leave them wanting more.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Stephen Bush ‏@stephenkb 3h3 hours ago
    Odd: if you want to unilaterally get rid of Trident submarines, you're soft on security. If you want to get rid of what they're made of...
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Dr. Foxinsox, must agree. The dead horse was flogged, buried, exhumed, and flogged some more.

    Mr. 565, not sure it's intellectually superior to be in favour of possessing the raw material for Trident submarines whilst proposing to not have any.

    Also, steel can be bought.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    edited March 2016
    Mr. T, important news on The Ice Twins: my mum read it in three days (which is shockingly fast for her), and very much liked it.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091



    Also, steel can be bought.

    Can we rely on that forever? What if the countries we buy steel from are one day the exact people who we are at war with?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    edited March 2016
    Paul Mason is not coming across as non-partisan on newsnight just now...
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. T, np (she's had it since Christmas but got a lot of books and has only just gotten round to reading it).

    Mr. 565, if we're at war with every steel-producing country in the world that would be problematic.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    SeanT said:

    Ken Clarke on Newsnight:

    "I do know South Wales well, I often drive past Port Talbot"

    I OFTEN DRIVE PAST PORT TALBOT

    A decent Labour party would put that on General Election posters. Just the most ghastly error. Appallingly stupid.

    Is there anything worth seeing there that is not visible from the M4?

    Living in the Midlands I quite like industrial plant,
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    SeanT said:

    Ken Clarke on Newsnight:

    "I do know South Wales well, I often drive past Port Talbot"

    I OFTEN DRIVE PAST PORT TALBOT

    A decent Labour party would put that on General Election posters. Just the most ghastly error. Appallingly stupid.

    Ken Clarke is possibly the most respected Tory. He could get away with saying almost anything.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited March 2016

    Mr. T, np (she's had it since Christmas but got a lot of books and has only just gotten round to reading it).

    Mr. 565, if we're at war with every steel-producing country in the world that would be problematic.

    But who says, the way things are going, most other major economies' steel industries bar China don't collapse?

    In all seriousness, as recently as 30 years ago, most politicians in all parties would've agreed that atleast SOME steel-producing capacity is essential for any economy to be self-sufficient.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JeremyCliffe: Corbyn attack grid: launch petition, issue quixotic call for resignation, miss open goal in Commons, get outshone by "hostile" backbencher
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,441
    edited March 2016
    Lib Dems lose Richmondshire to the Richmond Independents

    Richmond Central (Richmondshire) result:
    RIND: 35.0% (+35.0)
    LDEM: 30.4% (-18.3)
    CON: 23.1% (-6.6)
    GRN: 11.4% (-10.1)

    Labour HOLD Moriah (Caerphilly).
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Scott_P said:

    @JeremyCliffe: Corbyn attack grid: launch petition, issue quixotic call for resignation, miss open goal in Commons, get outshone by "hostile" backbencher

    Who is the hostile backbencher?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. 565, it's a legitimate perspective, but Trident's not the way to make it. That's a one-off large purchase every few decades. We don't churn out Trident subs every fortnight.

    It's home turf for Corbyn to talk about nationalisation, but it'll also reinforce the stereotype (although, at this stage, I think this is a win for Corbyn, as he can't lose much more support but those directly affected will likely be grateful to the benevolence of the chairman).
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    So it turns out the UK government has got exactly what it wanted from the EU on steel. Who says we are marginalised and ignored!
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    Moses_ said:


    Moses_ said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
    My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

    Plus unicorn insurance.
    Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!
    Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

    I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

    It'll be so much fun.
    Indeed... And the anguished wailing from north of the border would probably put a herd of strangled cats to shame. :lol:

    The SNP is desperate for a Leave vote.

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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    Ken Clarke on Newsnight:

    "I do know South Wales well, I often drive past Port Talbot"

    I OFTEN DRIVE PAST PORT TALBOT

    A decent Labour party would put that on General Election posters. Just the most ghastly error. Appallingly stupid.

    Ken Clarke is possibly the most respected Tory. He could get away with saying almost anything.
    Meh, I doubt that deeply. Most people have forgotten him or never knew him.

    Nonetheless he is a clever and respected politician, so it's odd that he'd make such a crass error. Even stranger, apparently he said EXACTLY the same thing on WATO. So either he's going gaga or he's lost interest in any popularity whatsoever
    Shock horror, maybe it is the truth.
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    Lib Dems lose Richmondshire to the Richmond Independents Richmond Central (Richmondshire) result:
    RIND: 35.0% (+35.0)
    LDEM: 30.4% (-18.3)
    CON: 23.1% (-6.6)
    GRN: 11.4% (-10.1)

    Lib Dem fightback underway.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @JeremyCliffe: Corbyn attack grid: launch petition, issue quixotic call for resignation, miss open goal in Commons, get outshone by "hostile" backbencher

    Who is the hostile backbencher?
    Kinnock.

    Oh the laughs!!
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    edited March 2016
    Alistair said:

    Stewart Lee is the only comic that matters. His latest Comedy Vehicle series is as brilliant as ever.

    He's certainly not for everyone but his comedy breathtakingly pipping and dangerous. The type of laugher where you wonder if you should be laughing.

    If you don't like the concept of his stage persona of "failing, bitter standup comedian" then it will fall flat. But if you buy into him make believe world there is none better

    Nah, seems too smug by half to be widely embraced by the British public.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Moses_ said:


    Moses_ said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    weejonnie said:

    Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

    It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.
    I think my favourite possible result is:

    Scotland votes Leave
    England votes Leave
    (Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
    Leave wins.

    Nat implosion.

    (Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)
    My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

    Plus unicorn insurance.
    Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!
    Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

    I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

    It'll be so much fun.
    Indeed... And the anguished wailing from north of the border would probably put a herd of strangled cats to shame. :lol:

    The SNP is desperate for a Leave vote.

    Not a Leave vote were Scotland votes Leave though. That'd be humiliating.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Mortimer said:

    Paul Mason is not coming across as non-partisan on newsnight just now...

    Two too many words in that sentence. Never found him non partisan.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    Jonathan Arkush is a fantastic communicator. Best exposition of Jewish position re: education that I've ever heard.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Scott_P said:

    @JeremyCliffe: Corbyn attack grid: launch petition, issue quixotic call for resignation, miss open goal in Commons, get outshone by "hostile" backbencher

    Makes a change from Miliband's "judge led enquiry" as solution to every problem...
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @JeremyCliffe: Corbyn attack grid: launch petition, issue quixotic call for resignation, miss open goal in Commons, get outshone by "hostile" backbencher

    Who is the hostile backbencher?
    Stalin? From the Blairite wing of the party.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    So it turns out the UK government has got exactly what it wanted from the EU on steel. Who says we are marginalised and ignored!

    Indeed the Brexiteers who are so keen on trading arrangements with China are rather quiet on the steel issue. Tariff war with China on our own? Or negotiate as part of the EU? The latter seems a better idea to me.




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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942

    Scott_P said:

    @JeremyCliffe: Corbyn attack grid: launch petition, issue quixotic call for resignation, miss open goal in Commons, get outshone by "hostile" backbencher

    Makes a change from Miliband's "judge led enquiry" as solution to every problem...
    Haha - it seems that Burnham has taken on this mantle.

    You'd think he would have had enough of enquiries after Stafford....
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274
    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    Ken Clarke on Newsnight:

    "I do know South Wales well, I often drive past Port Talbot"

    I OFTEN DRIVE PAST PORT TALBOT

    A decent Labour party would put that on General Election posters. Just the most ghastly error. Appallingly stupid.

    Ken Clarke is possibly the most respected Tory. He could get away with saying almost anything.
    Meh, I doubt that deeply. Most people have forgotten him or never knew him.

    Nonetheless he is a clever and respected politician, so it's odd that he'd make such a crass error. Even stranger, apparently he said EXACTLY the same thing on WATO. So either he's going gaga or he's lost interest in any popularity whatsoever
    Shock horror, maybe it is the truth.
    He did say that on WATO. He also added that he had friends in South Wales and he drove past Port Talbot when visiting them. In context its not as bad as it sounds.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    PeterC said:

    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    Ken Clarke on Newsnight:

    "I do know South Wales well, I often drive past Port Talbot"

    I OFTEN DRIVE PAST PORT TALBOT

    A decent Labour party would put that on General Election posters. Just the most ghastly error. Appallingly stupid.

    Ken Clarke is possibly the most respected Tory. He could get away with saying almost anything.
    Meh, I doubt that deeply. Most people have forgotten him or never knew him.

    Nonetheless he is a clever and respected politician, so it's odd that he'd make such a crass error. Even stranger, apparently he said EXACTLY the same thing on WATO. So either he's going gaga or he's lost interest in any popularity whatsoever
    Shock horror, maybe it is the truth.
    He did say that on WATO. He also added that he had friends in South Wales and he drove past Port Talbot when visiting them. In context its not as bad as it sounds.
    Indeed. I heard WatO too - it is a non-story, non-issue etc.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2016
    Ken Clarke getting away with saying almost anything....

    Some people have short memories...
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942

    Ken Clarke getting away with saying almost anything....

    Some people have short memories...

    Oh gosh yes - he was right about that too, of course.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    kle4 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    If anyone is interested in noting such things, I received a letter from LeaveEU today, by post.

    I'm interested - I'm curious how widely and how well the campaigns are reaching out. I've had two items from BSE, one several months ago, but I don't recall anything from Leave yet.
    I've had the BSE propaganda.

    Nothing from Leave. I wonder if they're bothering at all to target London/SE. I'm in a solidly wealthy home county area, but one that votes over 60%+ Conservative. Always.

    Perhaps they see the Midlands as the crucial swing region?
    Are you trying to break the record for negativity towards your own side? Odiham is for the taking; go forth and leaflet!

    I've noticed a big uptick in the number of London Vote Leave events. We might even have canvassing in my borough...
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937

    So it turns out the UK government has got exactly what it wanted from the EU on steel. Who says we are marginalised and ignored!

    Indeed the Brexiteers who are so keen on trading arrangements with China are rather quiet on the steel issue. Tariff war with China on our own? Or negotiate as part of the EU? The latter seems a better idea to me.

    Yep, we have been promised great trade deals with the likes of China - much better than we could get via the EU - so presumably the Leavers have some killer negotiating points up their sleeves that will cause the Chinese to do our bidding.

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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    Incidentally, I received the 'brown envelope' from Leave yesterday.

    Different colour to the HMRC envelopes - Dad was an accountant and we got about 5 of these a day, so I should know....

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2016
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3517631/Violence-erupts-Paris-streets-students-clash-riot-police-protests-reforms-extend-35-hour-working-week.html

    SeanT likes to tell us how UK and US is stuff against the massive might of the Chinese economy...I think the French are going to get a horrible shock....

    I don't know the last time I only worked 35hrs in a week...
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    Mortimer said:

    Paul Mason is not coming across as non-partisan on newsnight just now...

    Two too many words in that sentence. Never found him non partisan.
    Mason always came across as a Trot even when working for the Beeb.

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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274
    edited March 2016
    perdix said:

    Mortimer said:

    Paul Mason is not coming across as non-partisan on newsnight just now...

    Two too many words in that sentence. Never found him non partisan.
    Mason always came across as a Trot even when working for the Beeb.

    He really believes that neo-Marxist clap trap has purchase in the modern world. He was a huge fan of Syriza in Greece. Sadly the Syriza program failed comprehensively in record time and ended up achieving the polar opposite of what was intended.

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    So it turns out the UK government has got exactly what it wanted from the EU on steel. Who says we are marginalised and ignored!

    Indeed the Brexiteers who are so keen on trading arrangements with China are rather quiet on the steel issue. Tariff war with China on our own? Or negotiate as part of the EU? The latter seems a better idea to me.

    Yep, we have been promised great trade deals with the likes of China - much better than we could get via the EU - so presumably the Leavers have some killer negotiating points up their sleeves that will cause the Chinese to do our bidding.

    That Indian Investment via Tata is not looking very rosy either.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Craven result Independent Gain From Con

    Ind 466
    Con 117
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3517631/Violence-erupts-Paris-streets-students-clash-riot-police-protests-reforms-extend-35-hour-working-week.html

    SeanT likes to tell us how UK and US is stuff against the massive might of the Chinese economy...I think the French are going to get a horrible shock....

    I don't know the last time I only worked 35hrs in a week...

    Bonkers isn't it. I think I worked 35 hrs Monday/Tuesday. And do you know what; it felt great....
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Just watched the replay of the WI/India game. Awesome batting!
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,306
    GeoffM said:

    Just watched the replay of the WI/India game. Awesome batting!

    Me too. Can't believe Simmons was caught on a no ball twice. Incredible luck.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937

    So it turns out the UK government has got exactly what it wanted from the EU on steel. Who says we are marginalised and ignored!

    Indeed the Brexiteers who are so keen on trading arrangements with China are rather quiet on the steel issue. Tariff war with China on our own? Or negotiate as part of the EU? The latter seems a better idea to me.

    Yep, we have been promised great trade deals with the likes of China - much better than we could get via the EU - so presumably the Leavers have some killer negotiating points up their sleeves that will cause the Chinese to do our bidding.

    That Indian Investment via Tata is not looking very rosy either.

    A sneak preview of our Brexit world.

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