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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    1st like Trump?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    Looking at my book...

    #ONLYCRUZ
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @thehill: Paul Ryan emphatically rejects GOP nomination: https://t.co/pBsyT8iRL1 https://t.co/CJPWAZ7OfL
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @FrankLuntz: Paul Ryan says he absolutely will not be the GOP nominee for president.

    https://t.co/A4f8SI5Vc2
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2016
    Wow was that it for Panorama....I mean really...11.6 million records & you are telling us about some nobody & the 85k he may or may not have avoided tax on.

    What about the stories of all these dictators etc.

    That was weaker than most American lagers...
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    After this week, I can see a way for Jezza to be PM and for the LDs to recover.

    Jezza and Farron to move to Panama and to hole up out of sight. Leave the Tories to the limelight and let them lose the next General Election on their own.

    The facts don't matter much - it's the air of sleaze/falseness.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Scott_P said:

    @FrankLuntz: Paul Ryan says he absolutely will not be the GOP nominee for president.

    https://t.co/A4f8SI5Vc2

    Ok .... All back on the bus to the next thread :smile:
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    Moses_ said:

    Scott_P said:

    @FrankLuntz: Paul Ryan says he absolutely will not be the GOP nominee for president.

    https://t.co/A4f8SI5Vc2

    Ok .... All back on the bus to the next thread :smile:
    Will he need to do the 'If drafted, I will not run' schtick?
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    looks like the Panama Papers could be a massive scam..I hope the Guardian paid a fortune for them..
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    I don't see how this happens, he would have to persuade all the Cruz and Kasich and Rubio delegates to back him to overtake Trump and Cruz is not going to bow out easily. Anyway, Ryan was on the 2012 GOP ticket as Romney's running mate and that ticket lost to Obama-Biden so he is hardly a fresh face
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2016

    looks like the Panama Papers could be a massive scam..I hope the Guardian paid a fortune for them..

    Having been to Panama a fair bit there is definitely tax dodging & other dodgy stuff going on, but the guardian said they have been looking at these documents for a year & the big reveal was super weak. Putin we knew about already. Cameron father we knew about already. An unknown property developer & one house is not exactly blockbuster. There has to be more.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,001

    looks like the Panama Papers could be a massive scam..I hope the Guardian paid a fortune for them..

    Who cares about tax avoidance when you can just hate the Guardian instead
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    This tells you how desperate the Republican establishment are. If no majority can be constructed without one of Trump's or Cruz's delegates, the nominee will be one of Trump and Cruz. I get that delegates may become unbound but any other outcome without the support of one of those candidates would be utterly undemocratic. And neither has any reason to give way to a third party gracefully - quite the reverse.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    edited April 2016

    This tells you how desperate the Republican establishment are. If no majority can be constructed without one of Trump's or Cruz's delegates, the nominee will be one of Trump and Cruz. I get that delegates may become unbound but any other outcome without the support of one of those candidates would be utterly undemocratic. And neither has any reason to give way to a third party gracefully - quite the reverse.

    Ye, Trump or Cruz. I've covered Ryan mind !
    Don't 100% have the courage of my convictions right now with the GOP when it comes to cold hard wonga.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited April 2016
    @EPG

    'richardDodd">looks like the Panama Papers could be a massive scam..I hope the Guardian paid a fortune for them..'

    Who cares about tax avoidance when you can just hate the Guardian instead'



    Just the usual hypocrisy from the Guardian,what's new ?


    Has the Guardian exploited tax loopholes to save millions ...
    https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/.../has-the-guardian-exploited-tax...
    16 May 2012 - The Guardian's tax bill is allegedly smaller than it should be. ... has been using convoluted but legal techniques to avoid paying tax, according to Private Eye. ... of running a tax avoidance scheme by the satirical magazine.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    #NeverRyan
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    Yes he needs far better numbers in Outer London to counteract Khan's lead in inner London, much as Boris did with his doughnut
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    RNC chair Reince Priebus on a possible Paul Ryan nomination: "Our candidate is someone who is running"
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    Sadiq actually led in Outer London in the last poll.

    Of course, for the purposes of the proportional mayoral election, it doesn't really matter where exactly the votes stack up anyway: North Korean majorities for Labour in Tower Hamlets are just as much use to them as swing votes in Croydon and Barnet, as long as it gets them closer to 50% London-wide.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2016
    If anyone is thinking about betting on Ryan, think carefully about whether to back/lay him in the nomination or potus markets.

    He's currently ~ 12/1 for the nomination and ~40/1 for POTUS.

    If you think he'd be better than 6/4 vs. Hillary, you're better off backing on the POTUS market - or laying him for the nomination.

    Personally I'd have Hillary as slight favourite in a direct matchup. Only just, though.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    edited April 2016
    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    Sadiq actually led in Outer London in the last poll.

    Of course, for the purposes of the proportional mayoral election, it doesn't really matter where exactly the votes stack up anyway: North Korean majorities for Labour in Tower Hamlets are just as much use to them as swing votes in Croydon and Barnet, as long as it gets them closer to 50% London-wide.
    Yes I noted that. At the General Election, those extra votes piled up in East Ham are useless. But in a mayoral election, they count just as much as an Ilford North, Hendon or Croydon vote.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    IBID/TIPP

    GOP national
    Trump 38
    Cruz 31
    Kasich 19

    Dems
    Clinton 45
    Sanders 44

    General election

    Clinton 47
    Trump 35

    Clinton 44
    Cruz 39

    Clinton 38
    Kasich 45

    Sanders 53
    Trump 36

    Sanders 50
    Cruz 38

    Sanders 45
    Kasich 42

    http://www.investors.com/politics/trump-support-fades-as-mistakes-grow-sanders-clinton-tied-ibdtipp-poll/
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    HYUFD said:

    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html

    If The Donald wins here then he's surely headed for a delegate majority.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    HYUFD said:

    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html

    Lol Those results are pretty out of line with other surveys !
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html

    Lol Those results are pretty out of line with other surveys !
    I may end up with a helluva lot of egg on my face with my "Bernie could take New York" predictions, if he can't even win lily-white WISCONSIN.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
    As I remarked earlier, the shifts since Feb look a bit odd - a huge shift to Sadiq in inner London, and a big shift to Zac in outer London. Maybe both are real effects, but the magnitudes of the shifts in one month look rather unlikely TBH.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
    As I remarked earlier, the shifts since Feb look a bit odd - a huge shift to Sadiq in inner London, and a big shift to Zac in outer London. Maybe both are real effects, but the magnitudes of the shifts in one month look rather unlikely TBH.
    Brussels?
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html

    Lol Those results are pretty out of line with other surveys !
    It is ARG, so more pinches of salt than usual.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    No one is enthusiastic about Zac.

    So Khan will win.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html

    If The Donald wins here then he's surely headed for a delegate majority.
    Yes but this does look like a rogue
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html

    Lol Those results are pretty out of line with other surveys !
    Yes, we shall see tomorrow to confirm
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html

    Lol Those results are pretty out of line with other surveys !
    I may end up with a helluva lot of egg on my face with my "Bernie could take New York" predictions, if he can't even win lily-white WISCONSIN.
    Most polls have Sanders winning Wisconsin and I expect he will
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    chestnut said:

    Brussels?

    Maybe, but it seems a bit strange that inner and outer London would have gone in opposite directions to such a marked degree. It could just be the core vote firming up in both cases, but that much of a change in one month seems very high.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    I'm really not seeing the path to Paul Ryan becoming Republican nominee.

    The Party would be in deep trouble if (and I'm still not sure how) they chose him over Trump or Cruz.

    If Trump is close to a majority then I expect some sensible unbound delegates will help out in the 1st round.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Pong said:

    If anyone is thinking about betting on Ryan, think carefully about whether to back/lay him in the nomination or potus markets.

    He's currently ~ 12/1 for the nomination and ~40/1 for POTUS.

    If you think he'd be better than 6/4 vs. Hillary, you're better off backing on the POTUS market - or laying him for the nomination.

    Personally I'd have Hillary as slight favourite in a direct matchup. Only just, though.

    Don't forget either that there's a delayed reaction sometimes for later markets like POTUS. If he won the nomination then his price for POTUS will immediately come in and can then be laid to close the bet down.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited April 2016
    O/T

    I'm a bit of a New Order nut as may have been mentioned before. I've only tonight found the Sam Ball remix of True Faith.

    I am rightly appalled at this abject failure and so am banishing myself in to solitary pro-European confinement to UKIPhome until after the EU vote

    (unless Spurs win the league.. or actually finish ahead of the Goners or I beat TSE in the PB fantasy footie table).

    Whilst I'm off to solitary, can I just say Remain will win comfortably. End of.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Pong said:

    If anyone is thinking about betting on Ryan, think carefully about whether to back/lay him in the nomination or potus markets.

    He's currently ~ 12/1 for the nomination and ~40/1 for POTUS.

    If you think he'd be better than 6/4 vs. Hillary, you're better off backing on the POTUS market - or laying him for the nomination.

    Personally I'd have Hillary as slight favourite in a direct matchup. Only just, though.

    Don't forget either that there's a delayed reaction sometimes for later markets like POTUS. If he won the nomination then his price for POTUS will immediately come in and can then be laid to close the bet down.
    The 40/1 for Ryan to be President is actually fair value.

    If he is the GOP nominee both Cruz and Trump bolt out of the door taking their voters with them, even Kasich would moan about it.
    Ryan could end up 4th in the GE.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,923
    SeanT said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
    As I remarked earlier, the shifts since Feb look a bit odd - a huge shift to Sadiq in inner London, and a big shift to Zac in outer London. Maybe both are real effects, but the magnitudes of the shifts in one month look rather unlikely TBH.
    Brussels?
    A Khan win would be good news for the Tories, eventually. They can spend the next three years delicately but assiduously noting the Labour Mayor of London's close associations with horrible Islamist scum.

    In terms of GE 2020, Labour need Khan to lose.

    My colleagues, reliable Tory voting folk all, are spectacularly unenthusiastic about goldsmith. To the extent that one is going to break the habit of a lifetime and not bother voting in the mayoral election.

    Was it Europe?

    No, it's the fact that he's a bit shit.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,642
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
    As I remarked earlier, the shifts since Feb look a bit odd - a huge shift to Sadiq in inner London, and a big shift to Zac in outer London. Maybe both are real effects, but the magnitudes of the shifts in one month look rather unlikely TBH.
    Brussels?
    A Khan win would be good news for the Tories, eventually. They can spend the next three years delicately but assiduously noting the Labour Mayor of London's close associations with horrible Islamist scum.

    In terms of GE 2020, Labour need Khan to lose.

    No, it's the fact that he's a bit shit.
    Not a deal breaker as often as it should be, that.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html

    Really unlikely, though because I'm tired with this rollercoaster I hope those are the results of the Wisconsin primary, so we can relax until September with the US presidential race.

    I really don't want to spend my summer writing on PB about the GOP race.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,923
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
    As I remarked earlier, the shifts since Feb look a bit odd - a huge shift to Sadiq in inner London, and a big shift to Zac in outer London. Maybe both are real effects, but the magnitudes of the shifts in one month look rather unlikely TBH.
    Brussels?
    A Khan win would be good news for the Tories, eventually. They can spend the next three years delicately but assiduously noting the Labour Mayor of London's close associations with horrible Islamist scum.

    In terms of GE 2020, Labour need Khan to lose.

    No, it's the fact that he's a bit shit.
    Not a deal breaker as often as it should be, that.
    I tried to point out that Khan was worse, but got no traction.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2016
    Well there is one politician who is quite happy that the Panama papers are dominating the media agenda.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,001
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
    As I remarked earlier, the shifts since Feb look a bit odd - a huge shift to Sadiq in inner London, and a big shift to Zac in outer London. Maybe both are real effects, but the magnitudes of the shifts in one month look rather unlikely TBH.
    Brussels?
    A Khan win would be good news for the Tories, eventually. They can spend the next three years delicately but assiduously noting the Labour Mayor of London's close associations with horrible Islamist scum.

    In terms of GE 2020, Labour need Khan to lose.

    My colleagues, reliable Tory voting folk all, are spectacularly unenthusiastic about goldsmith. To the extent that one is going to break the habit of a lifetime and not bother voting in the mayoral election.

    Was it Europe?

    No, it's the fact that he's a bit shit.
    Oh, I quite agree. A truly mediocre candidate.

    Khan will win.

    Which is the worst result for Labour long term. His victory will cement Corbyn in place AND give the Tories a huge *Islamist* target to aim at through to 2020. Boris had a Woman Problem, but Khan has a Jihadist Problem. The latter is infinitely more pernicious, obv.
    I doubt many people who think Khan sympathises with Islamic Jihad are winnable for Labour to begin with.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Ydoethur said
    'Popular vote shares:

    1992: 43-34
    2015: 36-31

    Even allowing for that, the margin in Broxtowe was clearly narrower than a uniform swing would imply. But the result in 1992 was much more emphatic than in 1992, and the gap therefore not so great as you imply.'

    Those figures are not accurate
    In 1992 the national GB figures were Con 42.8% Lab 35.2% - Con Lead 7.6%
    In 2015 the national GB figures were Con 37.8% Lab 31.2% - Con lead 6.6%.


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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,642
    I'd have thought the only way Khan loses would be if he pissed off the Coybynista crowd enough so that they stayed home or voted for someone else, but he seems to be pretty safe from that.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Remain could do with Khan losing.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Speedy said:

    Pong said:

    If anyone is thinking about betting on Ryan, think carefully about whether to back/lay him in the nomination or potus markets.

    He's currently ~ 12/1 for the nomination and ~40/1 for POTUS.

    If you think he'd be better than 6/4 vs. Hillary, you're better off backing on the POTUS market - or laying him for the nomination.

    Personally I'd have Hillary as slight favourite in a direct matchup. Only just, though.

    Don't forget either that there's a delayed reaction sometimes for later markets like POTUS. If he won the nomination then his price for POTUS will immediately come in and can then be laid to close the bet down.
    The 40/1 for Ryan to be President is actually fair value.

    If he is the GOP nominee both Cruz and Trump bolt out of the door taking their voters with them, even Kasich would moan about it.
    Ryan could end up 4th in the GE.
    Trump and Cruz will have about 3/4 of the delegates between them, I don't see how Ryan gets the nomination, not to mention he has said he does not want it anyway
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html

    Really unlikely, though because I'm tired with this rollercoaster I hope those are the results of the Wisconsin primary, so we can relax until September with the US presidential race.

    I really don't want to spend my summer writing on PB about the GOP race.
    Indeed but as you suggest it looks like a rogue
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html

    Really unlikely, though because I'm tired with this rollercoaster I hope those are the results of the Wisconsin primary, so we can relax until September with the US presidential race.

    I really don't want to spend my summer writing on PB about the GOP race.
    The ARG poll suggests that Republican voters in WI share your fatigue. Get Trump confirmed and start attacking the two dismal Democrat candidates.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    @Pong 's book must be worth a fortune by now lol
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,828
    Evening all :)

    Today's Standard poll for the London Mayoral Election is interesting and illustrates the key role two groups not hitherto considered will play in the final outcome.

    The first are the 25% or so "Don't Knows" (both Inner and Outer London) and how they will split. The poll shows a return to what you would expect - Khan winning big in Inner London, Goldsmith winning not so big in Outer London. Khan will be happy with that as long as he gets out the Inner London vote which is his big problem.

    The second are the 15-20% who won't vote for either Khan or Goldsmith with their first preference and what these voters will do with their second preference. It's a strange consistency but in the past three London mayoral elections approximately 55% of these voters used their second preference for either the Labour or the Conservatives and consistently voted 55-45 for the former.

    Goldsmith has assiduously courted both UKIP and Green voters because he knows he may need their second preferences in a close fight (which it could be). Today's poll suggests Goldsmith may do better than some of his Conservative predecessors and might even afford to be 1% behind on first preferences.

    Khan remains in the lead, however, and if he gets the Inner London Labour vote out, he'll probably win but this race has got a long way to go.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2016
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html

    Really unlikely, though because I'm tired with this rollercoaster I hope those are the results of the Wisconsin primary, so we can relax until September with the US presidential race.

    I really don't want to spend my summer writing on PB about the GOP race.
    Indeed but as you suggest it looks like a rogue
    I will maintain the prediction that I did a few days ago, Cruz wins 44-37 in Wisconsin.

    Though Trump is really putting in an effort, his numbers haven't gone up, he even went full Michael Bay with the ads:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/717003103871115267

    Saturating media coverage isn't enough, Trump needs a calm positive message, he needs to start reassuring people not drive them crazy with his antics.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    Dunno if this was covered yesterday but Sol Campbell has come out for Leave - seemingly on the grounds it's help our footy:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3520982/Come-Brexiteers-Former-England-captain-Sol-Campbell-kicks-vote-Leave-boost-British-football.html
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited April 2016

    Dunno if this was covered yesterday but Sol Campbell has come out for Leave - seemingly on the grounds it's help our footy:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3520982/Come-Brexiteers-Former-England-captain-Sol-Campbell-kicks-vote-Leave-boost-British-football.html

    Of course he has....
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    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html

    Really unlikely, though because I'm tired with this rollercoaster I hope those are the results of the Wisconsin primary, so we can relax until September with the US presidential race.

    I really don't want to spend my summer writing on PB about the GOP race.
    Indeed but as you suggest it looks like a rogue
    I will maintain the prediction that I did a few days ago, Cruz wins 44-37 in Wisconsin.

    Though Trump is really putting in an effort, his numbers haven't gone up, he even went full Michael Bay with the ads:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/717003103871115267

    Saturating media coverage isn't enough, Trump needs a calm positive message, he needs to start reassuring people not drive the crazy with his antics.
    I watched some of his WI rally today in You Tube. He certainly seemed a lot calmer delivery wise imv.

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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I can't stand this anymore, someone (preferably the voters) put an end to this silly stupid and cheesy charade:

    Cheesy politician meets cheese castle.

    https://twitter.com/teddyschleifer/status/717065126613028864
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    O/T

    I'm a bit of a New Order nut as may have been mentioned before. I've only tonight found the Sam Ball remix of True Faith.

    I am rightly appalled at this abject failure and so am banishing myself in to solitary pro-European confinement to UKIPhome until after the EU vote

    (unless Spurs win the league.. or actually finish ahead of the Goners or I beat TSE in the PB fantasy footie table).

    Whilst I'm off to solitary, can I just say Remain will win comfortably. End of.

    New Order are Headlining at Latitude festival in July, I saw them at Glasto '87.

    My fantasy footie season is fizzling out. Lukaku has stopped scoring, and Vardy only scores for England now.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ARG Wisconsin

    GOP
    Trump 42
    Cruz 32
    Kasich 23

    Dems
    Clinton 49
    Sanders 48
    http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/widem.html

    Really unlikely, though because I'm tired with this rollercoaster I hope those are the results of the Wisconsin primary, so we can relax until September with the US presidential race.

    I really don't want to spend my summer writing on PB about the GOP race.
    Indeed but as you suggest it looks like a rogue
    I will maintain the prediction that I did a few days ago, Cruz wins 44-37 in Wisconsin.

    Though Trump is really putting in an effort, his numbers haven't gone up, he even went full Michael Bay with the ads:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/717003103871115267

    Saturating media coverage isn't enough, Trump needs a calm positive message, he needs to start reassuring people not drive them crazy with his antics.
    We shall see if it has had any impact tomorrow
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    stodge said:

    The second are the 15-20% who won't vote for either Khan or Goldsmith with their first preference and what these voters will do with their second preference. It's a strange consistency but in the past three London mayoral elections approximately 55% of these voters used their second preference for either the Labour or the Conservatives and consistently voted 55-45 for the former.

    If that holds up it would need to be an ultra close race for second prefs to be decisive, with Lab leading Con in transfers by 10% × 55% × 20% ~= 1%.

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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    As well as saying he's not interested, Paul Ryan is going to be chairman of the convention. Surely that makes it hard for him to switch to being a candidate?
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    As well as saying he's not interested, Paul Ryan is going to be chairman of the convention. Surely that makes it hard for him to switch to being a candidate?

    Could he be dragged 'reluctantly' a bit like a new Commons speaker is?
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,828



    If that holds up it would need to be an ultra close race for second prefs to be decisive, with Lab leading Con in transfers by 10% × 55% × 20% ~= 1%.

    Indeed and to date it hasn't made that much difference. In 2012, Boris's lead over Ken was reduced from 3.97% to 3.06% once second preferences were included. 84% voted for either Boris or Ken - I suspect the Sadiq/Zac share will be slightly lower.

    Prior to 2012, the LDs constituted the overwhelming majority of the non-Conservative, non-Labour vote. Currently the 9% definites are split between UKIP (3%), the LDs (3%) and Greens (2%) and Others (1%).


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    Scott_P said:

    @FrankLuntz: Paul Ryan says he absolutely will not be the GOP nominee for president.

    https://t.co/A4f8SI5Vc2

    As Sir Humphrey said, never believe anything until it has been officially denied
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
    As I remarked earlier, the shifts since Feb look a bit odd - a huge shift to Sadiq in inner London, and a big shift to Zac in outer London. Maybe both are real effects, but the magnitudes of the shifts in one month look rather unlikely TBH.
    Brussels?
    A Khan win would be good news for the Tories, eventually. They can spend the next three years delicately but assiduously noting the Labour Mayor of London's close associations with horrible Islamist scum.

    In terms of GE 2020, Labour need Khan to lose.

    My colleagues, reliable Tory voting folk all, are spectacularly unenthusiastic about goldsmith. To the extent that one is going to break the habit of a lifetime and not bother voting in the mayoral election.

    Was it Europe?

    No, it's the fact that he's a bit shit.
    Boris was always going to be a hard act to follow, but Zac is poor.

    Khan will walk it.

    I see hardly any of it on the news. Is there much activity on the ground. Brexit seems to have snuffed out coverage of other elections.

    Will Khan as Mayor damage or help Corbyn? It remains to be seen. Khan has a few dodgy associates but is pretty mainstream Labour, and no particular friend of Jezza. He will be the most powerful elected Labour person in the land. Worth a punt as next leader?
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    I won't believe 'Project Fear' is working until I see a thread header saying that 'Brexit putting AV threads in jeopardy'
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    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
    As I remarked earlier, the shifts since Feb look a bit odd - a huge shift to Sadiq in inner London, and a big shift to Zac in outer London. Maybe both are real effects, but the magnitudes of the shifts in one month look rather unlikely TBH.
    Brussels?
    A Khan win would be good news for the Tories, eventually. They can spend the next three years delicately but assiduously noting the Labour Mayor of London's close associations with horrible Islamist scum.

    In terms of GE 2020, Labour need Khan to lose.

    My colleagues, reliable Tory voting folk all, are spectacularly unenthusiastic about goldsmith. To the extent that one is going to break the habit of a lifetime and not bother voting in the mayoral election.

    Was it Europe?

    No, it's the fact that he's a bit shit.
    Boris was always going to be a hard act to follow, but Zac is poor.

    Khan will walk it.

    I see hardly any of it on the news. Is there much activity on the ground. Brexit seems to have snuffed out coverage of other elections.

    Will Khan as Mayor damage or help Corbyn? It remains to be seen. Khan has a few dodgy associates but is pretty mainstream Labour, and no particular friend of Jezza. He will be the most powerful elected Labour person in the land. Worth a punt as next leader?
    I've been invited to go campaign for Zac at the end of April.

    He could still win this, my campaigning talent is legendary.
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    I won't believe 'Project Fear' is working until I see a thread header saying that 'Brexit putting AV threads in jeopardy'
    Actually I've been inspired to write an AV thread about the EU Ref.

    It will speculate if the options on the ballot paper was, Leave, Remain or EEA with full freedom of movement, what option would win under AV.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
    As I remarked earlier, the shifts since Feb look a bit odd - a huge shift to Sadiq in inner London, and a big shift to Zac in outer London. Maybe both are real effects, but the magnitudes of the shifts in one month look rather unlikely TBH.
    Brussels?
    A Khan win would be good news for the Tories, eventually. They can spend the next three years delicately but assiduously noting the Labour Mayor of London's close associations with horrible Islamist scum.

    In terms of GE 2020, Labour need Khan to lose.

    My colleagues, reliable Tory voting folk all, are spectacularly unenthusiastic about goldsmith. To the extent that one is going to break the habit of a lifetime and not bother voting in the mayoral election.

    Was it Europe?

    No, it's the fact that he's a bit shit.
    Boris was always going to be a hard act to follow, but Zac is poor.

    Khan will walk it.

    I see hardly any of it on the news. Is there much activity on the ground. Brexit seems to have snuffed out coverage of other elections.

    Will Khan as Mayor damage or help Corbyn? It remains to be seen. Khan has a few dodgy associates but is pretty mainstream Labour, and no particular friend of Jezza. He will be the most powerful elected Labour person in the land. Worth a punt as next leader?
    I've been invited to go campaign for Zac at the end of April.

    He could still win this, my campaigning talent is legendary.
    What can you say in his favour?
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    Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    edited April 2016

    Scott_P said:

    @FrankLuntz: Paul Ryan says he absolutely will not be the GOP nominee for president.

    https://t.co/A4f8SI5Vc2

    As Sir Humphrey said, never believe anything until it has been officially denied
    (I may have misremembered) Pedant alert: Wasn't it Bernard who said that?
    Edit: It was Hacker.
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    David Cameron's campaign to warn voters about the dangers of leaving the European Union is beginning to win the argument ahead of the referendum, a Telegraph poll finds.

    The exclusive poll finds that the “Remain” campaign now has a narrow lead after trailing last month, in a sign that Downing Street’s tactic – which has been described as “Project Fear” by its critics – is working.

    Despite concerns that the steel crisis and the Brussels terror attacks could influence the referendum result, the poll finds that they have had little or no effect on how people intend to vote.

    In an analysis of the ORB poll for this newspaper, Sir Lynton Crosby, who masterminded the Conservative Party’s general election victory, says that “the outcome of the referendum will hinge on which side can better turnout their supporters”.

    The poll finds that 51 per cent of voters now support Remain – an increase of 4 per cent from last month. Leave’s support has decreased five points to 44 per cent.

    Crucially, only 5 per cent of voters said they are undecided, with those who currently say that they do not know how they will vote more likely to back the Remain campaign on June 23.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/04/eu-referendum-project-fear-working-as-poll-shows-remain-taking-a/
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    Scott_P said:

    @FrankLuntz: Paul Ryan says he absolutely will not be the GOP nominee for president.

    https://t.co/A4f8SI5Vc2

    As Sir Humphrey said, never believe anything until it has been officially denied
    (I may have misremembered) Pedant alert: Wasn't it Bernard who said that?
    According to the interweb it was Jim Hacker
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    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
    As I remarked earlier, the shifts since Feb look a bit odd - a huge shift to Sadiq in inner London, and a big shift to Zac in outer London. Maybe both are real effects, but the magnitudes of the shifts in one month look rather unlikely TBH.
    Brussels?
    A Khan win would be good news for the Tories, eventually. They can spend the next three years delicately but assiduously noting the Labour Mayor of London's close associations with horrible Islamist scum.

    In terms of GE 2020, Labour need Khan to lose.

    My colleagues, reliable Tory voting folk all, are spectacularly unenthusiastic about goldsmith. To the extent that one is going to break the habit of a lifetime and not bother voting in the mayoral election.

    Was it Europe?

    No, it's the fact that he's a bit shit.
    Boris was always going to be a hard act to follow, but Zac is poor.

    Khan will walk it.

    I see hardly any of it on the news. Is there much activity on the ground. Brexit seems to have snuffed out coverage of other elections.

    Will Khan as Mayor damage or help Corbyn? It remains to be seen. Khan has a few dodgy associates but is pretty mainstream Labour, and no particular friend of Jezza. He will be the most powerful elected Labour person in the land. Worth a punt as next leader?
    I've been invited to go campaign for Zac at the end of April.

    He could still win this, my campaigning talent is legendary.
    What can you say in his favour?
    He's not Corbyn's man in London
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Is there a positive case for remaining in the EU and the inevitable ever closer political union that will bring? If not, then Brexit will happen sooner or later.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/can-you-get-trump-to-1237/

    Trump ain't heading for 25 in Wisconsin, he'll get more than 93 in Cali.
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    MP_SE said:

    Is there a positive case for remaining in the EU and the inevitable ever closer political union that will bring? If not, then Brexit will happen sooner or later.
    Dave's negotiations got us an opt out from ever closer union.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    I read about this Paul Ryan idea at the weekend and, whilst it seemed a stretch, the whole GOP show this year made me go looking to stick a few quid on it. This thing has one last possible twist so why not. Its a fatalism bet perhaps but, practically, a possible trading bet of this idea gets any currency at all . What really struck me was the idea that the GOP mainstream fears Trump and hates Cruz. This is often quoted but really did strike a chord yesterday.

    Clinton is there to be beaten which makes the craziness of the GOP primary voter base this time around seem all the more idiotic. Certainly compared to 2008 and 2012 where there were rich pickings simply by looking at the most mainstream candidate and ignoring the usual this side of the Atlantic crap about the GOP being all gun toting bible bashers, this cycle has so far caught me out.

    I suppose once every so often a base goes up its own arse (witness Miliband E & Corbyn J).
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
    As I remarked earlier, the shifts since Feb look a bit odd - a huge shift to Sadiq in inner London, and a big shift to Zac in outer London. Maybe both are real effects, but the magnitudes of the shifts in one month look rather unlikely TBH.
    Brussels?
    A Khan win would be good news for the Tories, eventually. They can spend the next three years delicately but assiduously noting the Labour Mayor of London's close associations with horrible Islamist scum.

    In terms of GE 2020, Labour need Khan to lose.

    My colleagues, reliable Tory voting folk all, are spectacularly unenthusiastic about goldsmith. To the extent that one is going to break the habit of a lifetime and not bother voting in the mayoral election.

    Was it Europe?

    No, it's the fact that he's a bit shit.
    Boris was always going to be a hard act to follow, but Zac is poor.

    Khan will walk it.

    I see hardly any of it on the news. Is there much activity on the ground. Brexit seems to have snuffed out coverage of other elections.

    Will Khan as Mayor damage or help Corbyn? It remains to be seen. Khan has a few dodgy associates but is pretty mainstream Labour, and no particular friend of Jezza. He will be the most powerful elected Labour person in the land. Worth a punt as next leader?
    I've been invited to go campaign for Zac at the end of April.

    He could still win this, my campaigning talent is legendary.
    What can you say in his favour?
    He's not Corbyn's man in London
    Pretty faint praise!

    I hope you have some better patter for the Londoners.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,294
    edited April 2016
    Someone has just donated to Shadsy's Christmas bonus fund.

    https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/717094564272742400
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    Scott_P said:

    @FrankLuntz: Paul Ryan says he absolutely will not be the GOP nominee for president.

    https://t.co/A4f8SI5Vc2

    As Sir Humphrey said, never believe anything until it has been officially denied
    (I may have misremembered) Pedant alert: Wasn't it Bernard who said that?
    According to the interweb it was Jim Hacker
    I've edited my post after checking, I was pretty sure that Sir HA wasn't in that scene.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,046
    Its erroneous to think of Outer London as being Conservative dominated.

    There are 12 Labour controlled Outer London boroughs compared with only 6 Conservative controlled.

    Four Outer London boroughs - Barking, Haringey, Lewisham and Newham - have zero Conservative councillors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014

    Likewise Labour won 24.5 ** Outer London constituencies in 2015 compared to only 22 by the Conservatives.

    ** Erith & Thamesmead, Hampstead & Kilburn and Lewisham West & Penge are all split between Inner and Outer London.


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    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
    As I remarked earlier, the shifts since Feb look a bit odd - a huge shift to Sadiq in inner London, and a big shift to Zac in outer London. Maybe both are real effects, but the magnitudes of the shifts in one month look rather unlikely TBH.
    Brussels?
    A Khan win would be good news for the Tories, eventually. They can spend the next three years delicately but assiduously noting the Labour Mayor of London's close associations with horrible Islamist scum.

    In terms of GE 2020, Labour need Khan to lose.

    My colleagues, reliable Tory voting folk all, are spectacularly unenthusiastic about goldsmith. To the extent that one is going to break the habit of a lifetime and not bother voting in the mayoral election.

    Was it Europe?

    No, it's the fact that he's a bit shit.
    Boris was always going to be a hard act to follow, but Zac is poor.

    Khan will walk it.

    I see hardly any of it on the news. Is there much activity on the ground. Brexit seems to have snuffed out coverage of other elections.

    Will Khan as Mayor damage or help Corbyn? It remains to be seen. Khan has a few dodgy associates but is pretty mainstream Labour, and no particular friend of Jezza. He will be the most powerful elected Labour person in the land. Worth a punt as next leader?
    I've been invited to go campaign for Zac at the end of April.

    He could still win this, my campaigning talent is legendary.
    What can you say in his favour?
    He's not Corbyn's man in London
    Pretty faint praise!

    I hope you have some better patter for the Londoners.
    I will if I go campaigning. I don't think I will, I think it will clash with the opening of Captain America: Civil War
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    MP_SE said:

    Is there a positive case for remaining in the EU and the inevitable ever closer political union that will bring? If not, then Brexit will happen sooner or later.
    Dave's negotiations got us an opt out from ever closer union.
    Indeed, it's a cast iron guarantee, no ifs no buts
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    Pulpstar said:

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/can-you-get-trump-to-1237/

    Trump ain't heading for 25 in Wisconsin, he'll get more than 93 in Cali.

    urgh, keeps playing up
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    Why can I see a brokered convention sending quite a few PBers to the poor house?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sadiq Khan leads Zac Goldsmith 54% to 46% helped by a huge lead in inner London, 45% to
    22% for Goldsmith. In outer London Goldsmith leads 30% to 29%
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-eight-points-ahead-of-zac-goldsmith-in-latest-poll-a3217256.html

    Shocking numbers for Zac in OUTER London.
    The Opinium piece is here:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/khan-holds-his-lead-over-goldsmith-london-mayoral-race

    Goldsmith 12 clear in Outer London.
    As I remarked earlier, the shifts since Feb look a bit odd - a huge shift to Sadiq in inner London, and a big shift to Zac in outer London. Maybe both are real effects, but the magnitudes of the shifts in one month look rather unlikely TBH.
    Brussels?
    A Khan win would be good news for the Tories, eventually. They can spend the next three years delicately but assiduously noting the Labour Mayor of London's close associations with horrible Islamist scum.

    In terms of GE 2020, Labour need Khan to lose.

    My colleagues, reliable Tory voting folk all, are spectacularly unenthusiastic about goldsmith. To the extent that one is going to break the habit of a lifetime and not bother voting in the mayoral election.

    Was it Europe?

    No, it's the fact that he's a bit shit.
    Boris was always going to be a hard act to follow, but Zac is poor.

    Khan will walk it.

    I see hardly any of it on the news. Is there much activity on the ground. Brexit seems to have snuffed out coverage of other elections.

    Will Khan as Mayor damage or help Corbyn? It remains to be seen. Khan has a few dodgy associates but is pretty mainstream Labour, and no particular friend of Jezza. He will be the most powerful elected Labour person in the land. Worth a punt as next leader?
    I've been invited to go campaign for Zac at the end of April.

    He could still win this, my campaigning talent is legendary.
    What can you say in his favour?
    He's not Corbyn's man in London
    Pretty faint praise!

    I hope you have some better patter for the Londoners.
    I will if I go campaigning. I don't think I will, I think it will clash with the opening of Captain America: Civil War
    Is that the new Trump film?
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387

    Why can I see a brokered convention sending quite a few PBers to the poor house?

    never bet anything you can't afford to lose :)
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    MP_SE said:

    Is there a positive case for remaining in the EU and the inevitable ever closer political union that will bring? If not, then Brexit will happen sooner or later.
    Dave's negotiations got us an opt out from ever closer union.
    Laywers for Britain would beg to differ:

    http://www.lawyersforbritain.org/reneg-ever-closer-union.shtml
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,294
    edited April 2016

    Why can I see a brokered convention sending quite a few PBers to the poor house?

    never bet anything you can't afford to lose :)
    Is more Jeb Bush somehow becoming the compromise candidate that frightens me.

    I've laid so much Bush in the last year.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    edited April 2016

    Pulpstar said:

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/can-you-get-trump-to-1237/

    Trump ain't heading for 25 in Wisconsin, he'll get more than 93 in Cali.

    urgh, keeps playing up
    right, had to use Edge (urgh x 2), but I make it 1,240 excluding uncommitteds - so right on the line. Wins on the first ballot though, with ~50 of the uncommitteds, assuming no tricks.

    I agree with you Pulps on those two.
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    JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082

    Its erroneous to think of Outer London as being Conservative dominated.

    There are 12 Labour controlled Outer London boroughs compared with only 6 Conservative controlled.

    Four Outer London boroughs - Barking, Haringey, Lewisham and Newham - have zero Conservative councillors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014

    Likewise Labour won 24.5 ** Outer London constituencies in 2015 compared to only 22 by the Conservatives.

    ** Erith & Thamesmead, Hampstead & Kilburn and Lewisham West & Penge are all split between Inner and Outer London.


    Lewisham is an inner London Borough, no? I live there, it's proper London!
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    MP_SE said:

    MP_SE said:

    Is there a positive case for remaining in the EU and the inevitable ever closer political union that will bring? If not, then Brexit will happen sooner or later.
    Dave's negotiations got us an opt out from ever closer union.
    Laywers for Britain would beg to differ:

    http://www.lawyersforbritain.org/reneg-ever-closer-union.shtml
    and lawyers for in say else.

    It's almost as if the British legal community was capable of expressing more than one opinion
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Most of the front pages going big on Cameron's father story
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    edited April 2016

    Pulpstar said:

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/can-you-get-trump-to-1237/

    Trump ain't heading for 25 in Wisconsin, he'll get more than 93 in Cali.

    urgh, keeps playing up
    right, had to use Edge (urgh x 2), but I make it 1,240 excluding uncommitteds - so right on the line. Wins on the first ballot though, with ~50 of the uncommitteds, assuming no tricks.

    I agree with you Pulps on those two.
    How many are you giving Trump in Wisconsin ?

    He looks to have 3 in the bag (CD 3) and close on two others. (So perhaps 6 is fair value)
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,291
    JWisemann said:

    Its erroneous to think of Outer London as being Conservative dominated.

    There are 12 Labour controlled Outer London boroughs compared with only 6 Conservative controlled.

    Four Outer London boroughs - Barking, Haringey, Lewisham and Newham - have zero Conservative councillors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_2014

    Likewise Labour won 24.5 ** Outer London constituencies in 2015 compared to only 22 by the Conservatives.

    ** Erith & Thamesmead, Hampstead & Kilburn and Lewisham West & Penge are all split between Inner and Outer London.


    Lewisham is an inner London Borough, no? I live there, it's proper London!
    No. It's virtually Kent.
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