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Ynysddu (Lab defence) on Caerphilly
Result of council at last election (2012): Labour 50, Plaid Cymru 20, Independents 3 (Labour majority of 27)
Result of ward at last election : Emboldened denotes elected
Labour 719, 559 (64%)
Plaid Cymru 382, 224 (30%)
Conservatives 70, 57 (6%)
Candidates duly nomninated:

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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    edited April 2016
    First like Leave.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Oi!! I was first it just wouldn't let me post
    For Forks sake
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    in before 100000
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    No interesting by-elections tonight.

    Goodnight, looking forward for that Sunday story.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    "David Cameron is paddling in a pool of poo tonight" - Evan Davis
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Speedy said:

    No interesting by-elections tonight.

    Goodnight, looking forward for that Sunday story.

    They are undeniably the most important elections in the realm tonight ;)
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    What are the next PM odds now ?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    Danny565 said:

    "David Cameron is paddling in a pool of poo tonight" - Evan Davis

    "Events"
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Speedy said:

    No interesting by-elections tonight.

    Goodnight, looking forward for that Sunday story.

    Anyone got any hints as to what the Sunday story is?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    MP_SE said:

    Speedy said:

    No interesting by-elections tonight.

    Goodnight, looking forward for that Sunday story.

    Anyone got any hints as to what the Sunday story is?
    If the hyping is starting this early prepare to be disappointed ;)
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    in before 100000

    What is the petition, been out all day.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    in before 100000

    What is the petition, been out all day.
    100,632
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    RobD said:

    in before 100000

    What is the petition, been out all day.
    100,632
    or 0.2% of the country ;)
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    RobD said:

    in before 100000

    What is the petition, been out all day.
    100,632
    Thanks but what is it for, I'm guessing the leaflet?
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    in before 100000

    What is the petition, been out all day.
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    RobD said:

    in before 100000

    What is the petition, been out all day.
    100,632
    Thanks but what is it for, I'm guessing the leaflet?
    Yeah, the complaint is the remain side have been given effectively a free mail shot.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    MP_SE said:

    Speedy said:

    No interesting by-elections tonight.

    Goodnight, looking forward for that Sunday story.

    Anyone got any hints as to what the Sunday story is?
    You wont see it printed in any of the papers...
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    in before 100000

    What is the petition, been out all day.
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762
    Excellent, thanks.

    Pathetic as it sounds I'm not paying .34p when I do my tax this year.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    Is David Cameron a crook?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    MP_SE said:

    Speedy said:

    No interesting by-elections tonight.

    Goodnight, looking forward for that Sunday story.

    Anyone got any hints as to what the Sunday story is?
    You wont see it printed in any of the papers...
    Now that's a let down.
    Will it be on TV ?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    in before 100000

    What is the petition, been out all day.
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762
    Excellent, thanks.

    Pathetic as it sounds I'm not paying .34p when I do my tax this year.
    Don't worry, HMRC will accrue it from the rounding errors in your returns ;)
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    GIN1138 said:

    Is David Cameron a crook?

    Or a straight kind of guy?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    in before 100000

    What is the petition, been out all day.
    100,632
    Thanks but what is it for, I'm guessing the leaflet?
    Yeah, the complaint is the remain side have been given effectively a free mail shot.
    I remember the universal outrage when the same thing happens during SindyRef. Or didn't, I can't remember.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Alistair said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    in before 100000

    What is the petition, been out all day.
    100,632
    Thanks but what is it for, I'm guessing the leaflet?
    Yeah, the complaint is the remain side have been given effectively a free mail shot.
    I remember the universal outrage when the same thing happens during SindyRef. Or didn't, I can't remember.
    What happened? Did the No side get a free mail shot and Yes didn't? I would have thought it would have been the other way around given the Governments position in Scotland would have been for Yes.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,827
    Danny565 said:

    "David Cameron is paddling in a pool of poo tonight" - Evan Davis

    Has he got an ISA?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924
    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    rcs1000 said:

    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.

    I assume it isn't based on first-hand knowledge... titters.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    rcs1000 said:

    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.

    As long as we are guaranteed to be entertained by it then I'm content to wait for it till Sunday.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Anna Soubry on Question Time.
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    rcs1000 said:

    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.

    Coolio.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,051
    I think the pro-EU propaganda shows, yet again, that there is ALWAYS money for Cameron's pet projects.

    Austerity is like taxes - only for the 'little people'.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2016
    Speedy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.

    As long as we are guaranteed to be entertained by it then I'm content to wait for it till Sunday.
    I think you are confusing two stories...there is one about a certain gentleman and another separate one about a different certain gentleman.

    One is injuncted but OGH knows it and the other I presume OGH also has heard and a journalist from a certain well known paper claims he is going to publish everything he knows about it this Sunday (but not in a newspaper).
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,664
    I appreciate the east riding as it would make almost any council division sound decent, but pocklington, provincial in the east riding of yorkshire is a winner alright.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,917
    RobD said:

    Alistair said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    in before 100000

    What is the petition, been out all day.
    100,632
    Thanks but what is it for, I'm guessing the leaflet?
    Yeah, the complaint is the remain side have been given effectively a free mail shot.
    I remember the universal outrage when the same thing happens during SindyRef. Or didn't, I can't remember.
    What happened? Did the No side get a free mail shot and Yes didn't? I would have thought it would have been the other way around given the Governments position in Scotland would have been for Yes.

    Who paid for the now utterly discredited White Paper?

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793

    I think the pro-EU propaganda shows, yet again, that there is ALWAYS money for Cameron's pet projects.

    Austerity is like taxes - only for the 'little people'.

    Amazing isn't it?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Danny565 said:

    Anna Soubry on Question Time.

    Sid and Doris bonkers gurning for Leave too!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2016
    Married celebrity father who had a threesome with another couple is now being widely named on Facebook and Twitter but STILL the British media is banned from naming him

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3528765/Married-celebrity-father-threesome-couple-widely-named-Facebook-Twitter-British-media-banned-named-him.html

    No comment or "innocent face" from me.
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    The Leavers on here are petty, crude and insulting. Let's have some concrete ideas on how you would proceed if Brexit wins.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,917
    Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)

    I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2016
    perdix said:

    The Leavers on here are petty, crude and insulting. Let's have some concrete ideas on how you would proceed if Brexit wins.

    Some lovely stereotypes there. I haven't noticed much difference between supporters of each side.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,664
    Moses_ said:

    Oi!! I was first it just wouldn't let me post
    For Forks sake

    Happens to me all the time - it's a conspiracy, I tell you.

    Off topic, I really wish people would stop with all the petitions. This latest one is worthier than most, but I'm still sick of them, as they're usually so bloody self righteous.

    Amusingly, I was looking over some old university work looking at parliaments in the 17th century, and there was one memorable bit where some petitions had come in to the parliament, said to be signed by thousands but there were no hands to it, which I presume means no proof of signature, and some members took exception to it. I just have a hard time picturing someone going door to door with a clipboard in 17th century england.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited April 2016
    perdix said:

    The Leavers on here are petty, crude and insulting. Let's have some concrete ideas on how you would proceed if Brexit wins.

    EEA & EFTA

    http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/flexcit.pdf
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274

    Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)

    I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.

    Who said it was a non-story?
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    As I said earlier, I think the government actually wasted an opportunity with this leaflet. Rather than saying it was a straight-up argument in favour of staying in the EU, they should've dressed it up as a supposedly impartial analysis of "the facts" - throwing in a few token disadvantages of the EU, and putting the main focus on what they think are the big arguments in favour of staying.

    But because it makes no secret about being essentially an official In Campaign leaflet, I suspect Joe Public will just dismiss it.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    perdix said:

    The Leavers on here are petty, crude and insulting. Let's have some concrete ideas on how you would proceed if Brexit wins.

    With great joy and optimism
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    rcs1000 said:

    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.

    If you want to know the real scandal, then listen to this YouTube clip from 50.58:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MEZRX7lILc

    I thought that mentioning the links with the Carroll Trust last night would get the ball rolling. Cameron has managed to make a complete and utter pr*ck out of himself over the past 3 days, and I get the impression from my sources that this story could well meet a spectacular ending over the weekend. Lets see.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,664

    Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)

    I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.

    Who said it was a non-story?
    Many people, in all probability. I possibly did.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,827

    Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)

    I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.

    Who said it was a non-story?
    You said it was no worse than having an ISA didnt you?
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.

    That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.

    David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    kle4 said:

    Moses_ said:

    Oi!! I was first it just wouldn't let me post
    For Forks sake

    Happens to me all the time - it's a conspiracy, I tell you.

    Off topic, I really wish people would stop with all the petitions. This latest one is worthier than most, but I'm still sick of them, as they're usually so bloody self righteous.

    Amusingly, I was looking over some old university work looking at parliaments in the 17th century, and there was one memorable bit where some petitions had come in to the parliament, said to be signed by thousands but there were no hands to it, which I presume means no proof of signature, and some members took exception to it. I just have a hard time picturing someone going door to door with a clipboard in 17th century england.
    'Mr Smith? On 22 August His Majesty will be raising his standard for the forthcoming Civil War. Can he count on your support?'

    'Not sure... Don't remember him doing anything about the potholes.'

    'Let's put him down as a Roundhead waverer.'
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,051
    Dismal productivity data released today (as predicted here on PB six weeks ago).

    The UK's output per hour in 2015q4 being lower than it was in 2007q4.

    By comparison the UK's government debt is about a trillion quid higher than it was eight years ago.

    Ever get the impression that the UK is living just a little beyond its means ?

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2016
    kle4 said:

    Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)

    I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.

    Who said it was a non-story?
    Many people, in all probability. I possibly did.
    Well I think I called it about right, when I said I bet he had, but had organized his affairs very carefully such that everything was very neat and tidy for when he became leader. I would also guess that all this supposed money that CH4 think is still offshore is in the name of Cameron's mother and siblings.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    No. But Samantha is a very good cook.
    GIN1138 said:

    Is David Cameron a crook?

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,664
    tyson said:

    I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.

    That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.

    David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.

    I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2016

    Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)

    I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.

    Who said it was a non-story?
    You said it was no worse than having an ISA didnt you?
    No....not at all... I said nobody can be sure exactly what their family financial affairs are / where and when they inherit money if they have benefited in some way from tax efficiency. And in all likelihood everybody has at some point some how. If somebody is asked what you called a simple blanket question have you or your family ever benefited from tax avoidance or tax efficiency, you can't answer it 100% honestly with a NO.

    I also said I bet Cameron had everything organized neatly for being PM.

    The reveal today doesn't change any of that. Cameron made an investment, made profit, paid tax. He was left £300k (which we knew about) and says he doesn't know all the ins and outs of how it was made.

    And as I said on the previous thread, the PM response on this has been terrible.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,664
    RoyalBlue said:

    kle4 said:

    Moses_ said:

    Oi!! I was first it just wouldn't let me post
    For Forks sake

    Happens to me all the time - it's a conspiracy, I tell you.

    Off topic, I really wish people would stop with all the petitions. This latest one is worthier than most, but I'm still sick of them, as they're usually so bloody self righteous.

    Amusingly, I was looking over some old university work looking at parliaments in the 17th century, and there was one memorable bit where some petitions had come in to the parliament, said to be signed by thousands but there were no hands to it, which I presume means no proof of signature, and some members took exception to it. I just have a hard time picturing someone going door to door with a clipboard in 17th century england.
    'Mr Smith? On 22 August His Majesty will be raising his standard for the forthcoming Civil War. Can he count on your support?'

    'Not sure... Don't remember him doing anything about the potholes.'

    'Let's put him down as a Roundhead waverer.'
    Heh. It is in fact pretty remarkable how mundane things were where you have accounts of the things people said. A lot of arguments about which committees to send a matter to, disputes over parliamentary procedure, wording of motions, that sort of thing.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,917

    Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)

    I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.

    Who said it was a non-story?
    You said it was no worse than having an ISA didnt you?
    No....not at all... I said nobody can be sure exactly what their family financial affairs are / where and when they inherit money if they have benefited in some way from tax efficiency. And in all likelihood everybody has at some point some how.

    I also said I bet Cameron had everything organized neatly for being PM.

    I wasn't thinking of you.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Ynysddu — Labour hold:

    Lab 502 (58.9%; -2.5%)
    UKIP 180 (21.1%; +21.1%)
    PC 134 (15.7%; -16.9%)
    LD 36 (4.2%; +4.2%)
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited April 2016

    Dismal productivity data released today (as predicted here on PB six weeks ago).

    The UK's output per hour in 2015q4 being lower than it was in 2007q4.

    By comparison the UK's government debt is about a trillion quid higher than it was eight years ago.

    Ever get the impression that the UK is living just a little beyond its means ?

    No. The UK is living a lot beyond its means. Of course not having to pay £10 billion a year to the EU and £16 billion in Foreign aid would help.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.
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    AndyJS said:

    Ynysddu — Labour hold:

    Lab 502 (58.9%; -2.5%)
    UKIP 180 (21.1%; +21.1%)
    PC 134 (15.7%; -16.9%)
    LD 36 (4.2%; +4.2%)

    That should get labour and PC very worried
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.

    But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.

    Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.
    rcs1000 said:

    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2016
    BTW, I would highly recommend finding the Australian equivalent of Panorama on this, its on YouTube...man oh man there is far more interesting scandals than some bloke selling one home in London or another wanting £85k sending back to the UK (which was most likely all legal).
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274

    The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.

    The idiot they got from the BBC to spin for him hasn't exactly got a good record before this....
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.

    What has it got to do with the government?

    This is Cameron's problem and every day that goes by he looks more slippery.
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    The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.

    Agree entirely - the referendum is paralysing the Government
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799

    Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)

    I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.

    Who said it was a non-story?
    You said it was no worse than having an ISA didnt you?
    No....not at all... I said nobody can be sure exactly what their family financial affairs are / where and when they inherit money if they have benefited in some way from tax efficiency. And in all likelihood everybody has at some point some how. If somebody is asked what you called a simple blanket question have you or your family ever benefited from tax avoidance or tax efficiency, you can't answer it 100% honestly with a NO.

    I also said I bet Cameron had everything organized neatly for being PM.

    The reveal today doesn't change any of that. Cameron made an investment, made profit, paid tax. He was left £300k (which we knew about) and says he doesn't know all the ins and outs of how it was made.

    And as I said on the previous thread, the PM response on this has been terrible.
    Not good news for Remain, IMHO.
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.

    Agree entirely - the referendum is paralysing the Government
    Is that the party line?
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    The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.

    Agree entirely - the referendum is paralysing the Government
    Is that the party line?
    No - it is there for all to see
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Sean_F said:

    Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)

    I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.

    Who said it was a non-story?
    You said it was no worse than having an ISA didnt you?
    No....not at all... I said nobody can be sure exactly what their family financial affairs are / where and when they inherit money if they have benefited in some way from tax efficiency. And in all likelihood everybody has at some point some how. If somebody is asked what you called a simple blanket question have you or your family ever benefited from tax avoidance or tax efficiency, you can't answer it 100% honestly with a NO.

    I also said I bet Cameron had everything organized neatly for being PM.

    The reveal today doesn't change any of that. Cameron made an investment, made profit, paid tax. He was left £300k (which we knew about) and says he doesn't know all the ins and outs of how it was made.

    And as I said on the previous thread, the PM response on this has been terrible.
    Not good news for Remain, IMHO.
    Well it's poetic justice. Cameron has tried to con the public over the EU and has treated them with contempt. If this brings him into disrepute he thoroughly deserves it.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    perdix said:

    The Leavers on here are petty, crude and insulting. Let's have some concrete ideas on how you would proceed if Brexit wins.

    Calling the leavers 'petty, crude and insulting' is petty, crude and insulting.

    Can we have some concrete ideas for the development of the EU and the UK if Brexit loses?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2016
    I should clarify my "I bet Cameron organized things neatly for being PM" comment, I meant it in a slightly cynical way...As in no suggestion of anything wrong, rather family affairs have been set to try to ensure that, rather than not having money for share / investments. Same with the father's will, all very neat, with other family members receiving a significantly larger share of things.

    Very sensible for somebody looking to be PM. Don't want to get in a Mandelson style situation.
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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Cameron can at least take comfort in that he's not in as big a mess as Hunt http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/07/jeremy-hunt-in-trouble-ids-moment
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    My conversion to Cameron really is genuine and real. Seriously, I would vote Cameron over Corbyn, or Farron any day.

    But most of all, and quite deliciously, Cameron is proving all the EU out brigade to be a bunch of zealous, swivel eyes, fucking morons. And that is being kind on my part. And for that I really do admire DC.
    kle4 said:

    tyson said:

    I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.

    That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.

    David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.

    I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.

    What has it got to do with the government?

    This is Cameron's problem and every day that goes by he looks more slippery.
    What has come out so far looks remarkably small beer to me and I doubt it is going to change anyone's impression of David Cameron. In the public's thumbnail sketch of him, he's thought to be an Eton toff. Eton toffs have these types of arrangements. Whether that bothers you depends largely on your view of Eton toffs.

    Journalists love this stuff. But the story hasn't caught light yet in the way the expenses scandal did (perhaps because no one really understands what the hell has been going on).

    I agree David Cameron looks slippery. That's the ineptness of the presentation. A brisk early explanation of what we were told today would have been forgotten about within hours.

    Of course, if there is any more to come, that might change matters completely.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2016
    tyson said:

    I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.

    But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.

    Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.

    rcs1000 said:

    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.

    Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?
    Or the BCCI scandal ?
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    kle4 said:

    tyson said:

    I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.

    That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.

    David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.

    I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.
    The problem will be after the referendum,Tyson and the lefty remain mates with new found love of cammers will go back hating Cameron but people like me will who respected him will never forgive the con.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    tyson said:

    My conversion to Cameron really is genuine and real. Seriously, I would vote Cameron over Corbyn, or Farron any day.

    But most of all, and quite deliciously, Cameron is proving all the EU out brigade to be a bunch of zealous, swivel eyes, fucking morons. And that is being kind on my part. And for that I really do admire DC.

    kle4 said:

    tyson said:

    I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.

    That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.

    David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.

    I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.
    Say what you mean tyson. Don't hold back.

    How inconvenient that your conversion to Cameron has come about after you were ever able to vote for him.

    It might just be delicious on here if there is a leave vote...
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    AndyJS said:

    Ynysddu — Labour hold:

    Lab 502 (58.9%; -2.5%)
    UKIP 180 (21.1%; +21.1%)
    PC 134 (15.7%; -16.9%)
    LD 36 (4.2%; +4.2%)

    That should get labour and PC very worried
    Really ?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2016

    The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.

    What has it got to do with the government?

    This is Cameron's problem and every day that goes by he looks more slippery.
    What has come out so far looks remarkably small beer to me and I doubt it is going to change anyone's impression of David Cameron. In the public's thumbnail sketch of him, he's thought to be an Eton toff. Eton toffs have these types of arrangements. Whether that bothers you depends largely on your view of Eton toffs.

    Journalists love this stuff. But the story hasn't caught light yet in the way the expenses scandal did (perhaps because no one really understands what the hell has been going on).

    I agree David Cameron looks slippery. That's the ineptness of the presentation. A brisk early explanation of what we were told today would have been forgotten about within hours.

    Of course, if there is any more to come, that might change matters completely.
    Investing £15k in some shares, by most middle class standards is within the realm of understanding, it is not exactly moat cleaning or duck house type stuff.

    Spin team want shooting, whatever the full extent of the story is.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,957
    Rudy Giuliani endorses Donald Trump before the NY primary
    http://nypost.com/2016/04/07/rudy-giuliani-is-voting-for-donald-trump/
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    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    Ynysddu — Labour hold:

    Lab 502 (58.9%; -2.5%)
    UKIP 180 (21.1%; +21.1%)
    PC 134 (15.7%; -16.9%)
    LD 36 (4.2%; +4.2%)

    That should get labour and PC very worried
    Really ?
    Yes
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    Ynysddu — Labour hold:

    Lab 502 (58.9%; -2.5%)
    UKIP 180 (21.1%; +21.1%)
    PC 134 (15.7%; -16.9%)
    LD 36 (4.2%; +4.2%)

    That should get labour and PC very worried
    Really ?
    PC Yes - Labour No. new kid on the block will take some votes from everyone. Labour vote seems to be holding up.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.

    What has it got to do with the government?

    This is Cameron's problem and every day that goes by he looks more slippery.
    What has come out so far looks remarkably small beer to me and I doubt it is going to change anyone's impression of David Cameron. In the public's thumbnail sketch of him, he's thought to be an Eton toff. Eton toffs have these types of arrangements. Whether that bothers you depends largely on your view of Eton toffs.

    Journalists love this stuff. But the story hasn't caught light yet in the way the expenses scandal did (perhaps because no one really understands what the hell has been going on).

    I agree David Cameron looks slippery. That's the ineptness of the presentation. A brisk early explanation of what we were told today would have been forgotten about within hours.

    Of course, if there is any more to come, that might change matters completely.
    Agreed. FU's guess that there was likely some past relationship with his Dad's fund just made sense. The earlier statements and clarifications were plain foolish.

    I think the days of my man Dave being good with his back to the wall are over; he doesn't appear to want it enough any more. (And to be fair to him, is probably knackered after being party leader for 11 years)
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,001
    Mortimer said:

    tyson said:

    My conversion to Cameron really is genuine and real. Seriously, I would vote Cameron over Corbyn, or Farron any day.

    But most of all, and quite deliciously, Cameron is proving all the EU out brigade to be a bunch of zealous, swivel eyes, fucking morons. And that is being kind on my part. And for that I really do admire DC.

    kle4 said:

    tyson said:

    I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.

    That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.

    David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.

    I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.
    Say what you mean tyson. Don't hold back.

    How inconvenient that your conversion to Cameron has come about after you were ever able to vote for him.

    It might just be delicious on here if there is a leave vote...
    ? Apart from a few masochists, all the most repetitive PB Tories are on the leave bus.

    The typical PB comments response to the occasional Remain post from Mr Meeks or others reminds me of entitled undergraduates demanding a safe space.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2016
    Mortimer said:

    The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.

    What has it got to do with the government?

    This is Cameron's problem and every day that goes by he looks more slippery.
    What has come out so far looks remarkably small beer to me and I doubt it is going to change anyone's impression of David Cameron. In the public's thumbnail sketch of him, he's thought to be an Eton toff. Eton toffs have these types of arrangements. Whether that bothers you depends largely on your view of Eton toffs.

    Journalists love this stuff. But the story hasn't caught light yet in the way the expenses scandal did (perhaps because no one really understands what the hell has been going on).

    I agree David Cameron looks slippery. That's the ineptness of the presentation. A brisk early explanation of what we were told today would have been forgotten about within hours.

    Of course, if there is any more to come, that might change matters completely.
    Agreed. FU's guess that there was likely some past relationship with his Dad's fund just made sense. The earlier statements and clarifications were plain foolish.

    I think the days of my man Dave being good with his back to the wall are over; he doesn't appear to want it enough any more. (And to be fair to him, is probably knackered after being party leader for 11 years)
    I am actually really surprised it is just £15k they put in...maybe that should be a red warning sign or maybe they didn't think much of his Dad's investment skills, I don't know.

    I would have guessed a lot more than that, given how wealthy Mrs C is both from family and from being extremely successful in her own right.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    No not Edwina- for 1992- my close friend was brought into a meeting with all sorts of "special" government advisers to discuss a very tricky allegation that sort of came out afterwards in a very small way. Even now that story is explosive.

    2016- the journalists know what the story is- you just need to be close to one of them, or perhaps go to the Shooting Star tomorrow night and someone will tell you....
    Speedy said:

    tyson said:

    I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.

    But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.

    Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.

    rcs1000 said:

    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.

    Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?
    Or the BCCI scandal ?
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.

    Agree entirely - the referendum is paralysing the Government
    "Conservative MPs have threatened to "grind Government to a halt" as a backlash began over David Cameron's plans to use £9million of taxpayers' money to send a pro-EU leaflet to every home in the UK.

    Eurosceptic MPs warned the Prime Minister that they will block Government legislation in Parliament, creating an unprecedented split in the Party"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/politics-live-governments-9million-anti-brexit-letter-sparks-fur/
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tyson said:

    No not Edwina- for 1992- my close friend was brought into a meeting with all sorts of "special" government advisers to discuss a very tricky allegation that sort of came out afterwards in a very small way. Even now that story is explosive.

    2016- the journalists know what the story is- you just need to be close to one of them, or perhaps go to the Shooting Star tomorrow night and someone will tell you....

    Speedy said:

    tyson said:

    I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.

    But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.

    Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.

    rcs1000 said:

    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.

    Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?
    Or the BCCI scandal ?
    Sorry to miss it. No way can I get down there in time. Cheers to those who are going.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    tyson said:

    No not Edwina- for 1992- my close friend was brought into a meeting with all sorts of "special" government advisers to discuss a very tricky allegation that sort of came out afterwards in a very small way. Even now that story is explosive.

    2016- the journalists know what the story is- you just need to be close to one of them, or perhaps go to the Shooting Star tomorrow night and someone will tell you....

    Speedy said:

    tyson said:

    I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.

    But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.

    Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.

    rcs1000 said:

    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.

    Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?
    Or the BCCI scandal ?
    So it's the BCCI thing.
    I always wondered how a bank founded by a pakistani in the early 70's quickly became one of the largest in the world, only to close shop once the Cold War ended.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    EPG said:

    Mortimer said:

    tyson said:

    My conversion to Cameron really is genuine and real. Seriously, I would vote Cameron over Corbyn, or Farron any day.

    But most of all, and quite deliciously, Cameron is proving all the EU out brigade to be a bunch of zealous, swivel eyes, fucking morons. And that is being kind on my part. And for that I really do admire DC.

    kle4 said:

    tyson said:

    I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.

    That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.

    David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.

    I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.
    Say what you mean tyson. Don't hold back.

    How inconvenient that your conversion to Cameron has come about after you were ever able to vote for him.

    It might just be delicious on here if there is a leave vote...
    ? Apart from a few masochists, all the most repetitive PB Tories are on the leave bus.

    The typical PB comments response to the occasional Remain post from Mr Meeks or others reminds me of entitled undergraduates demanding a safe space.
    The smugness of remainers has actually pushed me into donating to Leave and post on here more - it is pretty stultifying and reminds me of the lefty wailers on my Fb feed before the last election.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,292
    tyson said:

    My conversion to Cameron really is genuine and real. Seriously, I would vote Cameron over Corbyn, or Farron any day.

    But most of all, and quite deliciously, Cameron is proving all the EU out brigade to be a bunch of zealous, swivel eyes, fucking morons. And that is being kind on my part. And for that I really do admire DC.

    kle4 said:

    tyson said:

    I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.

    That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.

    David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.

    I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.
    I'm afraid you're right. It's the antics of the Leavers that pushed me - albeit reluctantly - towards Remain. The other day they were even criticizing Dave for his opposition to EU trade tariffs. Astonishing. Some weird thought processes must be going on there, and if that's the case one can hardly trust their vision of the future. I might revisit in a few years when Leave have got their act together.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    Dr Fox- I'm not in London. And even if I did, there is no way in a million years I would say anything about anything to anyone.

    tyson said:

    No not Edwina- for 1992- my close friend was brought into a meeting with all sorts of "special" government advisers to discuss a very tricky allegation that sort of came out afterwards in a very small way. Even now that story is explosive.

    2016- the journalists know what the story is- you just need to be close to one of them, or perhaps go to the Shooting Star tomorrow night and someone will tell you....

    Speedy said:

    tyson said:

    I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.

    But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.

    Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.

    rcs1000 said:

    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.

    Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?
    Or the BCCI scandal ?
    Sorry to miss it. No way can I get down there in time. Cheers to those who are going.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    The Serious Fraud Office has opened a criminal inquiry into Tata’s steel-making operation, the Telegraph can disclose.

    Police officers are examining allegations that staff working for the company’s office in Britain may have falsified certificates detailing the composition of the product before they were sold.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/serious-fraud-office-launches-criminal-inquiry-into-tata-steel/
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    Conservatives gain Perth and Kinross
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Investing £15k in some shares, by most middle class standards is within the realm of understanding, it is not exactly moat cleaning or duck house type stuff.

    Spin team want shooting, whatever the full extent of the story is.

    I don't think you can blame the spin team on this. Because it's a personal matter, only Cameron himself could comment on it. The responsibility for screwing up the presentation has to be his.

    Having said that, I agree with Alastair that, in itself, the story is small beer. That in a way makes the screw-up a more egregious error.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tyson said:

    Dr Fox- I'm not in London. And even if I did, there is no way in a million years I would say anything about anything to anyone.

    tyson said:

    No not Edwina- for 1992- my close friend was brought into a meeting with all sorts of "special" government advisers to discuss a very tricky allegation that sort of came out afterwards in a very small way. Even now that story is explosive.

    2016- the journalists know what the story is- you just need to be close to one of them, or perhaps go to the Shooting Star tomorrow night and someone will tell you....

    Speedy said:

    tyson said:

    I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.

    But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.

    Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.

    rcs1000 said:

    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.

    Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?
    Or the BCCI scandal ?
    Sorry to miss it. No way can I get down there in time. Cheers to those who are going.
    While gossip is always interesting, I really rather fancied a pint. Fortunately one of our secretaries leaving so there is that option. Less conversation on the Brexit referendum that is boring the nation at least.

    Perhaps next time...
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    The Serious Fraud Office has opened a criminal inquiry into Tata’s steel-making operation, the Telegraph can disclose.

    Police officers are examining allegations that staff working for the company’s office in Britain may have falsified certificates detailing the composition of the product before they were sold.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/serious-fraud-office-launches-criminal-inquiry-into-tata-steel/

    Ha.
    So we got competing scandals both embarrassing to the government.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    No Speedy Re; 1992 it's not the BCCI thing either. I hate to be a prick tease because my normal instinct is to be a big blabbermouth- suffice to say it is something sexual and something really quite weird, and cannot be guessed, even on what has come to light afterwards . And that is as far as I can possibly go.

    2016- I'll prick tease a bit on that one- because if I said anything else....... And that is that I'm afraid. Go to the Shooting Star and I'm sure you'll find someone who knows- but it won't be me.
    Speedy said:

    tyson said:

    No not Edwina- for 1992- my close friend was brought into a meeting with all sorts of "special" government advisers to discuss a very tricky allegation that sort of came out afterwards in a very small way. Even now that story is explosive.

    2016- the journalists know what the story is- you just need to be close to one of them, or perhaps go to the Shooting Star tomorrow night and someone will tell you....

    Speedy said:

    tyson said:

    I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.

    But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.

    Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.

    rcs1000 said:

    I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.

    Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?
    Or the BCCI scandal ?
    So it's the BCCI thing.
    I always wondered how a bank founded by a pakistani in the early 70's quickly became one of the largest in the world, only to close shop once the Cold War ended.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Investing £15k in some shares, by most middle class standards is within the realm of understanding, it is not exactly moat cleaning or duck house type stuff.

    Spin team want shooting, whatever the full extent of the story is.

    I don't think you can blame the spin team on this. Because it's a personal matter, only Cameron himself could comment on it. The responsibility for screwing up the presentation has to be his.

    Having said that, I agree with Alastair that, in itself, the story is small beer. That in a way makes the screw-up a more egregious error.
    The amount invested is the price of a family car. Its not exactly a fortune. Not worth making a fuss over.
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