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Menhendiot (Con defence) and Wadebridge West (Con defence) on Cornwall
Result of council at last election (2013): Independents 37, Liberal Democrats 36, Conservatives 31, Labour 8, UKIP 6, Mebyon Kernow 4, Green 1 (No Overall Control, Independents short by 25)
Result of wards at last election (2013):

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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    First like Leave!
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Second like Remain.
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    third like the socialist official leave bid?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    I was especially pleased when he denied that too many EU nationals had come to Britain.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,924
    edited April 2016
    Debating with some OAP friends over lunch, all but one of whom, an American were Leavers. When I asked whether they expected Britain to join the EEA or whatever the unanimous view was that we shouldn’t join anything.
    We would be fine alone!

    Oh well.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 21h21 hours ago
    Preference for Prime Minister:
    George Osborne: 21%
    Jeremy Corbyn: 34%
    (via YouGov / 11 - 12 Apr)

    Wow i have been far too engrossed in Snooker
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,924

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 21h21 hours ago
    Preference for Prime Minister:
    George Osborne: 21%
    Jeremy Corbyn: 34%
    (via YouGov / 11 - 12 Apr)

    Wow i have been far too engrossed in Snooker

    Says something about Ozzy!
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,001

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 21h21 hours ago
    Preference for Prime Minister:
    George Osborne: 21%
    Jeremy Corbyn: 34%
    (via YouGov / 11 - 12 Apr)

    Wow i have been far too engrossed in Snooker

    Says something about Ozzy!
    If not Osborne and not Johnson, who'll be the Final Two?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    On topic.

    At last council by-election that are interesting.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2016
    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Johnson government cabal ?

    Alan or Boris ?
    Both would probably follow the same policies.
    Too early to vilify though, none are PM yet.

    I too I was satisfied with Corbyn's speech, he came as close to supporting Leave as he could.
    Listing all the faults of the EU and then adding Remain on the end was quite a laugh.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    Speedy said:

    On topic.

    At last council by-election that are interesting.

    Which one(s).

    They look like holds to me
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    ...and...err...etc.

    Dave Spart
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    On topic.

    At last council by-election that are interesting.

    Which one(s).

    They look like holds to me
    All of them could give us an indication of how damaged the Tories are in relation to domestic and EU affairs.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2016
    Has TSE gone to the footy again?

    Liverpool 0-2 Dortmund
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922
    Hmmm... those are interesting by-elections.

    I'm going for 1 Con Hold, 1 Con Gain, 1 LibDem Gain
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Britain is "obliged" to accept European Union laws and judgments, according to an official report slipped out by ministers ahead of the formal start of the referendum campaign.

    The 96-page paper, which was published without fanfare, was described by Brexit campaigners as the "Government report No.10 does not want you to read".

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/14/uk-obliged-judgments-of-european-courts-official-document-from-m/
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited April 2016
    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Anything that keeps him firmly in place is fine by me.

    Please just make sure the little scamp gets his tax return correct and in to HMRC on time. We Don't want anyone getting any fancy ideas about removing him prematurely now do we?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Has TSE gone to the footy again?

    Liverpool 0-2 Dortmund

    Does that mean Liverpool need to score 3 to survive now in the remaining time (due to away goals rule) or does the away goals rule only apply after extra time?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922
    What's happening at Anfield???
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Well Trump's campaign manager has been cleared, as everyone thought he would:

    https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/720675856750944258
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rcs1000 said:

    What's happening at Anfield???

    I believe there's an app that can tell you ;)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2016
    Speedy said:

    Well Trump's campaign manager has been cleared, as everyone thought he would:

    https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/720675856750944258

    What a shock....anybody who saw the video would wonder what all the fuss was about.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187

    Has TSE gone to the footy again?

    Liverpool 0-2 Dortmund

    Does that mean Liverpool need to score 3 to survive now in the remaining time (due to away goals rule) or does the away goals rule only apply after extra time?
    It can't go to extra time now. Liverpool need to win outright, a draw and Dortmund will be through on the away goals rule. It's the League Cup that has the stupid rule where away goals only come into play after extra time.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm... those are interesting by-elections.

    I'm going for 1 Con Hold, 1 Con Gain, 1 LibDem Gain

    Where is Con Gain?
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Speedy said:

    Well Trump's campaign manager has been cleared, as everyone thought he would:

    https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/720675856750944258

    What a shock....anybody who saw the video would wonder what all the fuss was about.
    Reminds me of that guy at Waterloo station accused of sexual assault when the video cam clearly showed nothing happened. That poor sod had to endure a year of torment and a public trial with that hanging over his head before being complete exonerated.

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/07/london-commuter-put-on-trial-for-sex-assault-despite-no-evidence-that-it-happened-5667116/
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Moses_ said:

    Speedy said:

    Well Trump's campaign manager has been cleared, as everyone thought he would:

    https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/720675856750944258

    What a shock....anybody who saw the video would wonder what all the fuss was about.
    Reminds me of that guy at Waterloo station accused of sexual assault when the video cam clearly showed nothing happened. That poor sod had to endure a year of torment and a public trial with that hanging over his head before being complete exonerated.

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/07/london-commuter-put-on-trial-for-sex-assault-despite-no-evidence-that-it-happened-5667116/
    Oh god, I remember that one.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,924

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm... those are interesting by-elections.

    I'm going for 1 Con Hold, 1 Con Gain, 1 LibDem Gain

    Where is Con Gain?
    1 Con Hold, 1 LibDem Gain & 1 LibDem hold?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Moses_ said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Anything that keeps him firmly in place is fine by me.

    Please just make sure the little scamp gets his tax return correct and in to HMRC on time. We Don't want anyone getting any fancy ideas about removing him prematurely now do we?
    What's wrong in filing late. He paid £100 for it.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Moses_ said:

    Speedy said:

    Well Trump's campaign manager has been cleared, as everyone thought he would:

    https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/720675856750944258

    What a shock....anybody who saw the video would wonder what all the fuss was about.
    Reminds me of that guy at Waterloo station accused of sexual assault when the video cam clearly showed nothing happened. That poor sod had to endure a year of torment and a public trial with that hanging over his head before being complete exonerated.

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/07/london-commuter-put-on-trial-for-sex-assault-despite-no-evidence-that-it-happened-5667116/
    Google 'Duke Lacrosse case' for an even worse example
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm... those are interesting by-elections.

    I'm going for 1 Con Hold, 1 Con Gain, 1 LibDem Gain

    Where is Con Gain?
    1 Con Hold, 1 LibDem Gain & 1 LibDem hold?
    Yep
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited April 2016
    Speedy said:

    Well Trump's campaign manager has been cleared, as everyone thought he would:

    https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/720675856750944258

    Bit late Speedy - covered that on the previous thread :)

    He was cleared for good reason - she was told to go with the media to the back of the room. She then came back and got inside the Secret Service bubble surrounding Trump. So the campaign manager yanked her away from Trump after she touched him. That is an absolute no no and there is ample precedent for staffers known to the Secret Service doing this. The Secret Service contingent and campaign manager travel together on Trump's airplane.

    Do not come between the candidate and his secret service contingent - it will never end well.
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,913
    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    No Corbyn fan but correct and that is exactly the message that I expect Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Green and the unions to be hammering home as soon as the campaign starts.
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    dyingswandyingswan Posts: 189
    I propose an exchange of hostages. On the bridge at Potsdam on any date in the next two weeks. Jeremy Corbyn to come from the East to join Leave. Boris Johnson to move from the West to Remainia. Then there can be glasnost.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    OllyT said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    No Corbyn fan but correct and that is exactly the message that I expect Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Green and the unions to be hammering home as soon as the campaign starts.
    " OllyT Posts: 522
    7:58PM

    Exactly and when the campaign gets going after the May elections I expect that Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, PC and the unions will be hammering that message home to their supporters. "

    Do we have a "bot" here ?
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    surbiton said:

    Moses_ said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Anything that keeps him firmly in place is fine by me.

    Please just make sure the little scamp gets his tax return correct and in to HMRC on time. We Don't want anyone getting any fancy ideas about removing him prematurely now do we?
    What's wrong in filing late. He paid £100 for it.
    Sloppy.
    Given the left and Labour were running round like a pack of rampant hyenas on heat only to discover it was their own man that flecked up. Also shows total Lack of fiscal responsibility. Of course the left wouldn't see an issue with that of course as we know from the past.

    Then we come to the pensions, completing the wrong form missing a section entirely..... That's when he actually found it....... After a week. Sloppy. Oh well as the left say it was an oversight so that's ok then only a tiny tiny tiny mistake of course.

    . Anyhoos same way I am sure the left would have immediately accepted it was a complete oversight and one of those things, don't mention it again if this had been Cameron. (Who actually did pay all his taxes on time)

    Sloppy ....
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,913
    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Johnson government cabal ?

    Alan or Boris ?
    Both would probably follow the same policies.
    Too early to vilify though, none are PM yet.

    I too I was satisfied with Corbyn's speech, he came as close to supporting Leave as he could.
    Listing all the faults of the EU and then adding Remain on the end was quite a laugh.
    A lot of voters to the left of centre have criticisms of the EU but still think remain is the better option. His speech will resonate with those voters it was not intended to convert right wing Brexiters.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    dyingswan said:

    I propose an exchange of hostages. On the bridge at Potsdam on any date in the next two weeks. Jeremy Corbyn to come from the East to join Leave. Boris Johnson to move from the West to Remainia. Then there can be glasnost.

    Good idea.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    yup amazing. And it has been rising in tempo each day over the last 2 weeks
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,308

    Debating with some OAP friends over lunch, all but one of whom, an American were Leavers. When I asked whether they expected Britain to join the EEA or whatever the unanimous view was that we shouldn’t join anything.
    We would be fine alone!

    Oh well.

    I don't disagree.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,321
    Peter from Putney asked about Peter the Punter the other day. I'm glad to be able to report that he and his partner are alive and well despite some misadventures. Peter says he still lurks intermittently and will probably post again in due course - he has had various private preoccupations, but still enjoys the site.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    How many Germans are there in Turkey that could be hassled or worse?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Johnson government cabal ?

    Alan or Boris ?
    Both would probably follow the same policies.
    Too early to vilify though, none are PM yet.

    I too I was satisfied with Corbyn's speech, he came as close to supporting Leave as he could.
    Listing all the faults of the EU and then adding Remain on the end was quite a laugh.
    A lot of voters to the left of centre have criticisms of the EU but still think remain is the better option. His speech will resonate with those voters it was not intended to convert right wing Brexiters.
    I'm a left wing Brexiter.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,918
    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Except much of what he said was rubbish.

    Two examples:

    The idea that the EU keep the multinationals in line is laughable. It is the existence of the EU which enables so many multinationals to 'rationalise' their tax affairs so they pay very littke tax at all. It is also the existence of the EU that has revolutionised lobbying by big firms by allowing them to lobby at just one centre of power rather than 28 different ones.

    He claimed Equal pay was due to EU membership. It wasn't. The Equal Pay Act was in 1970. 3 years before we joined the EU.

    I do like the Independent Sketch Writer's piece on the speech

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sketch-the-european-union-is-anti-democratic-aberration-and-thats-why-jeremy-corbyn-loves-it-a6984721.html
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922
    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    I don't believe Merkel has a say in who gets prosecuted. The German prosecutors office is independent.

    They should repeal the stupid law.
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    LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467
    Rove can read the tea leaves.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/karl-rove-donald-trump-221926

    #5) The Snap-Ripper Rove.

    These are political operatives who make money as “brokers.” They bring money and candidates and delegates together but keep a lot of the money for themselves.

    You will see them all over TV – never divulging who they favor (a new face?) because they may be telling multiple candidates and donors that they should be THE ONE.

    “Really your father should run for president. Maybe not this time. But hey, Trump had no political experience either. Your daddy is a heck of a lot smarter than Donald Trump – and richer.”

    “I know. Daddy, I told you so. I keep telling him he should run for president.”

    Most of these birds thrive on chaos. They don’t care who gets the nomination as long as they get paid. Some of these birds are near starvation and others are so fat from feasting that they can hardly lift off the ground.


    https://dougwead.wordpress.com/2016/04/11/who-is-the-gop-establishment/
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    Tim_B said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    How many Germans are there in Turkey that could be hassled or worse?
    Not many, but there are about a million refugees sitting in Turkey who want to go to Germany.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922

    rcs1000 said:

    What's happening at Anfield???

    I believe there's an app that can tell you ;)
    :lol:
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Tim_B said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    How many Germans are there in Turkey that could be hassled or worse?
    There are about 50 thousand Germans in Turkey.
    There are just bellow 3 million Turks in Germany.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    Agreed quite amazing . They also do that in North Korea....

    Oh?......
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    *waves to Peter the Punter*
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    surbiton said:

    Moses_ said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Anything that keeps him firmly in place is fine by me.

    Please just make sure the little scamp gets his tax return correct and in to HMRC on time. We Don't want anyone getting any fancy ideas about removing him prematurely now do we?
    What's wrong in filing late. He paid £100 for it.
    It's the patriotic thing to do.
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    I don't believe Merkel has a say in who gets prosecuted. The German prosecutors office is independent.

    They should repeal the stupid law.
    It's extraordinary that such a law is in force. It's like something you expect in banana republic.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    I don't believe Merkel has a say in who gets prosecuted. The German prosecutors office is independent.

    They should repeal the stupid law.
    In this case she has, there needs to be consent from the German government and an official complaint from the foreign leader in concern.

    The official complaint is there, and there is arm twisting by Turkey on the German government to follow suit or else.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    How many Germans are there in Turkey that could be hassled or worse?
    There are about 50 thousand Germans in Turkey.
    There are just bellow 3 million Turks in Germany.
    50k should be enough to bargain with.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Tim_B said:

    Moses_ said:

    Speedy said:

    Well Trump's campaign manager has been cleared, as everyone thought he would:

    https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/720675856750944258

    What a shock....anybody who saw the video would wonder what all the fuss was about.
    Reminds me of that guy at Waterloo station accused of sexual assault when the video cam clearly showed nothing happened. That poor sod had to endure a year of torment and a public trial with that hanging over his head before being complete exonerated.

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/07/london-commuter-put-on-trial-for-sex-assault-despite-no-evidence-that-it-happened-5667116/
    Google 'Duke Lacrosse case' for an even worse example
    Crypes! That's appalling
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,913
    Speedy said:

    OllyT said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    No Corbyn fan but correct and that is exactly the message that I expect Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Green and the unions to be hammering home as soon as the campaign starts.
    " OllyT Posts: 522
    7:58PM

    Exactly and when the campaign gets going after the May elections I expect that Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, PC and the unions will be hammering that message home to their supporters. "

    Do we have a "bot" here ?
    Sorry didn't realise there was a new PB rule that only right winger Brexiters are allowed to repeat a point..
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Just to make sure I understand correctly: if the British people, in their sublime wisdom, elect a majority of MPs who want to abolish these rights, whatever they are, then their wishes should be ignored?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    How many Germans are there in Turkey that could be hassled or worse?
    There are about 50 thousand Germans in Turkey.
    There are just bellow 3 million Turks in Germany.
    50k should be enough to bargain with.
    At what point does a government of the most powerful european country gets subjugated by a middle eastern tyrant on domestic affairs.

    It's the consequences of the policy of "Stay the course" and "Not rock the boat" when clearly there is a need to change things and to confront.
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,913
    Speedy said:

    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Johnson government cabal ?

    Alan or Boris ?
    Both would probably follow the same policies.
    Too early to vilify though, none are PM yet.

    I too I was satisfied with Corbyn's speech, he came as close to supporting Leave as he could.
    Listing all the faults of the EU and then adding Remain on the end was quite a laugh.
    A lot of voters to the left of centre have criticisms of the EU but still think remain is the better option. His speech will resonate with those voters it was not intended to convert right wing Brexiters.
    I'm a left wing Brexiter.
    So that's you and George Galloway then
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922
    Speedy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    I don't believe Merkel has a say in who gets prosecuted. The German prosecutors office is independent.

    They should repeal the stupid law.
    In this case she has, there needs to be consent from the German government and an official complaint from the foreign leader in concern.

    The official complaint is there, and there is arm twisting by Turkey on the German government to follow suit or else.
    I would guess that a prosecutor sympathetic to the German government will be appointed, and will investigate for... ohhh... about 18 month. And then there will be no trial.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922
    Charles said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Just to make sure I understand correctly: if the British people, in their sublime wisdom, elect a majority of MPs who want to abolish these rights, whatever they are, then their wishes should be ignored?
    Although, technically, they could do that now by repealing the European Communities Act, and the relevant legislation.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    Very believable. Freedom-of-speech is not a European basic right.

    It's being eroded in this country too. Soon only America will be left.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Charles said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Just to make sure I understand correctly: if the British people, in their sublime wisdom, elect a majority of MPs who want to abolish these rights, whatever they are, then their wishes should be ignored?
    I prefer to have a written constitution that makes it impossible for a government with a simple majority to impose any restrictions on economic, political, and social rights.

    The unwritten constitution of Britain makes government very flexible.
    However the only bounds are the social norms and character of the PM, his Cabinet, and his Party's MP's. A lot is asked to trust a man's character, when the only way to find out his character is if he takes power.

    That is why I prefer the american system of government, rather than the parliamentary one.
    You know that politicians of all kinds may turn out to be scoundrels, but as long as you have strict rules and restrictions on their power at least you can prevent them from doing much harm.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Goldsmith really is a contemptible piece of work. A pretty face is the only thing which has kept people from realising it until now.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    "Later, apparently to clarify, Gani tweeted that the photograph had been taken at an event both he and (presumably) Goldsmith had been invited to attend:"

    Give us a shout when he attends and shares a platform with this guy for the ninth time. Might be worth critical consideration then
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited April 2016
    Speedy said:

    Charles said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Just to make sure I understand correctly: if the British people, in their sublime wisdom, elect a majority of MPs who want to abolish these rights, whatever they are, then their wishes should be ignored?
    I prefer to have a written constitution that makes it impossible for a government with a simple majority to impose any restrictions on economic, political, and social rights.

    The unwritten constitution of Britain makes government very flexible.
    However the only bounds are the social norms and character of the PM, his Cabinet, and his Party's MP's. A lot is asked to trust a man's character, when the only way to find out his character is if he takes power.

    That is why I prefer the american system of government, rather than the parliamentary one.
    You know that politicians of all kinds may turn out to be scoundrels, but as long as you have strict rules and restrictions on their power at least you can prevent them from doing much harm.
    You do realize we have a written constitution? Just not a codified one.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 21h21 hours ago
    Preference for Prime Minister:
    George Osborne: 21%
    Jeremy Corbyn: 34%
    (via YouGov / 11 - 12 Apr)

    Wow i have been far too engrossed in Snooker

    Although it's funny, it's not very relevant since Osborne's chances of being leader have evaporated.

    More relevant is that Corbyn also led Theresa May on the "best PM" question (though not by as much as he led Osborne) and wasn't that far behind even Boris. Panamagate seems strangely to have done damage even to Tory ministers who weren't implicated in it (indeed in Boris's case, not even a part of the government at all).
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    NormNorm Posts: 1,251
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    Pulpstar said:

    I like the fact Hunt has stuck to his guns, it's a big contrast to Boris in his TFL dealings. First whiff of gunpowder and he was hopping to Crow's tune.

    One of the big reasons he's unsuitable to be PM.

    Really? Cameron has survived quite well caving in when the flak starts heading his way (as in fact did Blair and Major, who started it, before him) albeit to media furore as befitting a PR guy rather than to union dinosaurs. For the latest example see tax return fiasco.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Moses_ said:

    "Later, apparently to clarify, Gani tweeted that the photograph had been taken at an event both he and (presumably) Goldsmith had been invited to attend:"

    Give us a shout when he attends and shares a platform with this guy for the ninth time. Might be worth critical consideration then
    Except Khan didn't "share a platform" with extremists any more than Goldsmith did. Khan, like Goldsmith, simply attended the same event (something about extradition treaties) as an extremist.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    Moses_ said:

    "Later, apparently to clarify, Gani tweeted that the photograph had been taken at an event both he and (presumably) Goldsmith had been invited to attend:"

    Give us a shout when he attends and shares a platform with this guy for the ninth time. Might be worth critical consideration then
    I'm not a fan of Zac - and not a fan of the Mayor full stop as I don't get a vote despite working in London - but this looks a poor effort from the Guardian. Politicos are often asked to pose for pictures with random people.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    tlg86 said:

    Moses_ said:

    "Later, apparently to clarify, Gani tweeted that the photograph had been taken at an event both he and (presumably) Goldsmith had been invited to attend:"

    Give us a shout when he attends and shares a platform with this guy for the ninth time. Might be worth critical consideration then
    I'm not a fan of Zac - and not a fan of the Mayor full stop as I don't get a vote despite working in London - but this looks a poor effort from the Guardian. Politicos are often asked to pose for pictures with random people.
    Just as people often happen to be in the same vicinity as unsavoury people, even if they don't "support" them. Of course the evidence that Goldsmith supports extremists is incredibly flimsy, but it's just as flimsy as the evidence Khan supports extremists (with the only difference being that Khan has a brown face, as much as the PBTories might want to dress it up otherwise).
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Johnson government cabal ?

    Alan or Boris ?
    Both would probably follow the same policies.
    Too early to vilify though, none are PM yet.

    I too I was satisfied with Corbyn's speech, he came as close to supporting Leave as he could.
    Listing all the faults of the EU and then adding Remain on the end was quite a laugh.
    A lot of voters to the left of centre have criticisms of the EU but still think remain is the better option. His speech will resonate with those voters it was not intended to convert right wing Brexiters.
    I'm a left wing Brexiter.
    So that's you and George Galloway then
    Thank you for comparing me with a man who holds a remarkable rollercoaster career.
    No other person has managed to get elected in as many different seats or to annoy Blair as much (except Gordon Brown of course).

    My favourite moment was when Galloway defeated Oona King in 2005.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,159
    Danny565 said:

    Goldsmith really is a contemptible piece of work. A pretty face is the only thing which has kept people from realising it until now.
    Hmm. Isn't this all Crosby's work behind the scenes?
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2016

    Danny565 said:

    Goldsmith really is a contemptible piece of work. A pretty face is the only thing which has kept people from realising it until now.
    Hmm. Isn't this all Crosby's work behind the scenes?
    Probably, but Goldsmith is still complicit by going along with it. Either he agrees with it, or he's completely unprincipled if he thinks it's wrong but is still willing to go along with it to try and get himself a cushy job.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2016

    Danny565 said:

    Goldsmith really is a contemptible piece of work. A pretty face is the only thing which has kept people from realising it until now.
    Hmm. Isn't this all Crosby's work behind the scenes?
    I suspect it is.
    Crosby's problem is that London is a city where the minorities are now the majority, and Khan is the minority candidate.

    Trying to remedy it by playing one minority against the other is very canadian, but it fails because Goldsmith and the Tories do not play the part.

    Besides London doesn't have much of racial tension at the moment, but it has a lot of economic class tension and that favours Labour.

    Long story short:
    Goldsmith campaign: "It's all the muslims fault"
    Khan campaign: "It's the economy, stupid"
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,321
    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    Very believable. Freedom-of-speech is not a European basic right.

    It's being eroded in this country too. Soon only America will be left.
    Merkel isn't prosecuting anyone. If there's a prosecution it will be made by the local DPP and the government is staying well clear. I'm still in Berlin, where it's not possible to see what was said as the press are avoiding repeating it, but the gist of most of the readers' letters is that the remarks were libellous and unfunny but Erdogan's silly to pursue them.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    Very believable. Freedom-of-speech is not a European basic right.

    It's being eroded in this country too. Soon only America will be left.
    Merkel isn't prosecuting anyone. If there's a prosecution it will be made by the local DPP and the government is staying well clear. I'm still in Berlin, where it's not possible to see what was said as the press are avoiding repeating it, but the gist of most of the readers' letters is that the remarks were libellous and unfunny but Erdogan's silly to pursue them.
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-erdogan-affair-poses-serious-threat-to-merkel-power-a-1086813.html

    "A satirical poem targeting Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has become an affair of state. Chancellor Angela Merkel's handling of the crisis has been abysmal and shows that she is losing her grip on power."
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    Very believable. Freedom-of-speech is not a European basic right.

    It's being eroded in this country too. Soon only America will be left.
    Merkel isn't prosecuting anyone. If there's a prosecution it will be made by the local DPP and the government is staying well clear. I'm still in Berlin, where it's not possible to see what was said as the press are avoiding repeating it, but the gist of most of the readers' letters is that the remarks were libellous and unfunny but Erdogan's silly to pursue them.
    For the curious there are some bits here. It is fairly insulting, but deliberately so, to flag up the free speech issue.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/germanys-unfunny-attack-on-the-freedom-to-mock/18241#.VxABmPdwbqC
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Speedy said:

    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Johnson government cabal ?

    Alan or Boris ?
    Both would probably follow the same policies.
    Too early to vilify though, none are PM yet.

    I too I was satisfied with Corbyn's speech, he came as close to supporting Leave as he could.
    Listing all the faults of the EU and then adding Remain on the end was quite a laugh.
    A lot of voters to the left of centre have criticisms of the EU but still think remain is the better option. His speech will resonate with those voters it was not intended to convert right wing Brexiters.
    I'm a left wing Brexiter.
    So that's you and George Galloway then
    Thank you for comparing me with a man who holds a remarkable rollercoaster career.
    No other person has managed to get elected in as many different seats or to annoy Blair as much (except Gordon Brown of course).

    My favourite moment was when Galloway defeated Oona King in 2005.
    That was an appalling campaign which at the very least took advantage of racial bigotry in the constituency.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I'm not much of a football fan but Liverpool have come back from being 2-0 and 3-1 down to Dortmund to lead 4-3 with 90 minutes played.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Question for the PB Brains Trust.

    I think this may stump even you lot!

    I've been offered a collection (reputedly one of the best in the world) of napkin rings for my Foundation. Does anyone know anything at all about the subject?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    I presume TSE went home at half time.....
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,130
    Liverpool. Bloody hell.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Speedy said:

    Charles said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Just to make sure I understand correctly: if the British people, in their sublime wisdom, elect a majority of MPs who want to abolish these rights, whatever they are, then their wishes should be ignored?
    I prefer to have a written constitution that makes it impossible for a government with a simple majority to impose any restrictions on economic, political, and social rights.

    The unwritten constitution of Britain makes government very flexible.
    However the only bounds are the social norms and character of the PM, his Cabinet, and his Party's MP's. A lot is asked to trust a man's character, when the only way to find out his character is if he takes power.

    That is why I prefer the american system of government, rather than the parliamentary one.
    You know that politicians of all kinds may turn out to be scoundrels, but as long as you have strict rules and restrictions on their power at least you can prevent them from doing much harm.
    You do realise that life imposes restrictions on economic, political, and social rights?

    Good job that the American constitution prevented their politicians from passing apartheid laws, visiting genocide on the First Nations peoples, locking up more of their population than any comparable country, imposing the death penalty, authorising torture and tolerating massive inequality then.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    AndyJS said:

    I'm not much of a football fan but Liverpool have come back from being 2-0 and 3-1 down to Dortmund to lead 4-3 with 90 minutes played.

    Typical Liverpool in european football.
    They are incredibly lucky.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Charles said:

    Question for the PB Brains Trust.

    I think this may stump even you lot!

    I've been offered a collection (reputedly one of the best in the world) of napkin rings for my Foundation. Does anyone know anything at all about the subject?

    My family all had silver napkin rings engraved with our initials.
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    Very believable. Freedom-of-speech is not a European basic right.

    It's being eroded in this country too. Soon only America will be left.
    Merkel isn't prosecuting anyone. If there's a prosecution it will be made by the local DPP and the government is staying well clear. I'm still in Berlin, where it's not possible to see what was said as the press are avoiding repeating it, but the gist of most of the readers' letters is that the remarks were libellous and unfunny but Erdogan's silly to pursue them.
    What's silly is that he has any legal recourse to do so in a supposedly democratic country
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    Charles said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Just to make sure I understand correctly: if the British people, in their sublime wisdom, elect a majority of MPs who want to abolish these rights, whatever they are, then their wishes should be ignored?
    I prefer to have a written constitution that makes it impossible for a government with a simple majority to impose any restrictions on economic, political, and social rights.

    The unwritten constitution of Britain makes government very flexible.
    However the only bounds are the social norms and character of the PM, his Cabinet, and his Party's MP's. A lot is asked to trust a man's character, when the only way to find out his character is if he takes power.

    That is why I prefer the american system of government, rather than the parliamentary one.
    You know that politicians of all kinds may turn out to be scoundrels, but as long as you have strict rules and restrictions on their power at least you can prevent them from doing much harm.
    You do realise that life imposes restrictions on economic, political, and social rights?

    Good job that the American constitution prevented their politicians from passing apartheid laws, visiting genocide on the First Nations peoples, locking up more of their population than any comparable country, imposing the death penalty, authorising torture and tolerating massive inequality then.
    Imagine what they would have done if they didn't had one.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,321
    Danny565 said:

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 21h21 hours ago
    Preference for Prime Minister:
    George Osborne: 21%
    Jeremy Corbyn: 34%
    (via YouGov / 11 - 12 Apr)

    Wow i have been far too engrossed in Snooker

    Although it's funny, it's not very relevant since Osborne's chances of being leader have evaporated.

    More relevant is that Corbyn also led Theresa May on the "best PM" question (though not by as much as he led Osborne) and wasn't that far behind even Boris. Panamagate seems strangely to have done damage even to Tory ministers who weren't implicated in it (indeed in Boris's case, not even a part of the government at all).
    Yes - I see Corbyn has a 7-point "best PM" lead over May - I'd not seen that reported. Interesting, as I thought she was the "safe choice". The main reason seems to be that there's a big bloc of Tory voters who have doubts about her.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    What a game.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Charles said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Just to make sure I understand correctly: if the British people, in their sublime wisdom, elect a majority of MPs who want to abolish these rights, whatever they are, then their wishes should be ignored?
    I prefer to have a written constitution that makes it impossible for a government with a simple majority to impose any restrictions on economic, political, and social rights.

    The unwritten constitution of Britain makes government very flexible.
    However the only bounds are the social norms and character of the PM, his Cabinet, and his Party's MP's. A lot is asked to trust a man's character, when the only way to find out his character is if he takes power.

    That is why I prefer the american system of government, rather than the parliamentary one.
    You know that politicians of all kinds may turn out to be scoundrels, but as long as you have strict rules and restrictions on their power at least you can prevent them from doing much harm.
    You do realise that life imposes restrictions on economic, political, and social rights?

    Good job that the American constitution prevented their politicians from passing apartheid laws, visiting genocide on the First Nations peoples, locking up more of their population than any comparable country, imposing the death penalty, authorising torture and tolerating massive inequality then.
    Imagine what they would have done if they didn't had one.
    Pretty much exactly the same, I should think.
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,913
    Speedy said:

    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Johnson government cabal ?

    Alan or Boris ?
    Both would probably follow the same policies.
    Too early to vilify though, none are PM yet.

    I too I was satisfied with Corbyn's speech, he came as close to supporting Leave as he could.
    Listing all the faults of the EU and then adding Remain on the end was quite a laugh.
    A lot of voters to the left of centre have criticisms of the EU but still think remain is the better option. His speech will resonate with those voters it was not intended to convert right wing Brexiters.
    I'm a left wing Brexiter.
    So that's you and George Galloway then
    Thank you for comparing me with a man who holds a remarkable rollercoaster career.
    No other person has managed to get elected in as many different seats or to annoy Blair as much (except Gordon Brown of course).

    My favourite moment was when Galloway defeated Oona King in 2005.
    Each to his own. Vilest politician in the country bar none in my book.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Danny565 said:

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 21h21 hours ago
    Preference for Prime Minister:
    George Osborne: 21%
    Jeremy Corbyn: 34%
    (via YouGov / 11 - 12 Apr)

    Wow i have been far too engrossed in Snooker

    Although it's funny, it's not very relevant since Osborne's chances of being leader have evaporated.

    More relevant is that Corbyn also led Theresa May on the "best PM" question (though not by as much as he led Osborne) and wasn't that far behind even Boris. Panamagate seems strangely to have done damage even to Tory ministers who weren't implicated in it (indeed in Boris's case, not even a part of the government at all).
    Yes - I see Corbyn has a 7-point "best PM" lead over May - I'd not seen that reported. Interesting, as I thought she was the "safe choice". The main reason seems to be that there's a big bloc of Tory voters who have doubts about her.
    One word: Remain.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    I'm not much of a football fan but Liverpool have come back from being 2-0 and 3-1 down to Dortmund to lead 4-3 with 90 minutes played.

    Typical Liverpool in european football.
    They are incredibly lucky.
    Good teams have skill, and bad teams always say they don't have luck.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922
    runnymede said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    Very believable. Freedom-of-speech is not a European basic right.

    It's being eroded in this country too. Soon only America will be left.
    Merkel isn't prosecuting anyone. If there's a prosecution it will be made by the local DPP and the government is staying well clear. I'm still in Berlin, where it's not possible to see what was said as the press are avoiding repeating it, but the gist of most of the readers' letters is that the remarks were libellous and unfunny but Erdogan's silly to pursue them.
    What's silly is that he has any legal recourse to do so in a supposedly democratic country
    I believe the law is an old one. Mrs Merkel, or rather, the CDU's leadership in the Bundestag, should immediately bring forward the repeal of the relevant legislation.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't get my head around the fact that Merkel is "considering" prosecuting a comedian who insulted the Turkish president. An unbelievable state of affairs.

    Very believable. Freedom-of-speech is not a European basic right.

    It's being eroded in this country too. Soon only America will be left.
    Merkel isn't prosecuting anyone. If there's a prosecution it will be made by the local DPP and the government is staying well clear. I'm still in Berlin, where it's not possible to see what was said as the press are avoiding repeating it, but the gist of most of the readers' letters is that the remarks were libellous and unfunny but Erdogan's silly to pursue them.
    The fact there's any such law at all, amongst other nonsense laws on the Continent, tells us all we need to know.

    EU needs to be smashed. I hope Brexit is a beacon for others to seek to regain their freedoms.

    Have you been to Stauffenbergstrasse yet to see the bullet-holes?
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Charles said:

    Question for the PB Brains Trust.

    I think this may stump even you lot!

    I've been offered a collection (reputedly one of the best in the world) of napkin rings for my Foundation. Does anyone know anything at all about the subject?

    I'm afraid not, but I'm glad you're here because today I took a payment at work on a card issued by your bank - obviously I thought of you! :)
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