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edited April 2016 in General

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YouGov have published some polling, conducted within the last week on which groups the voters identify the Tory Party and the Labour Party with. The findings aren’t that surprising. The Tories are perceived to be really close to the rich, businessmen/The City, and voters in the south. Whilst Labour are seen as being really close to trade unions, the working class, and benefit claimants.

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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    First.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    Second - like SCon after this morning's Sunday Herald front page..
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962

    Second - like SCon after this morning's Sunday Herald front page..

    Smelling salts on standby
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    RobD said:

    Second - like SCon after this morning's Sunday Herald front page..

    Smelling salts on standby
    I have no idea if it's true - but one of the comments on the Herald story suggests Scotland has 40% of UK PFI debt - of course subsequent comments suggest that's not really Scotland's debt, but Westminster's
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962

    RobD said:

    Second - like SCon after this morning's Sunday Herald front page..

    Smelling salts on standby
    I have no idea if it's true - but one of the comments on the Herald story suggests Scotland has 40% of UK PFI debt - of course subsequent comments suggest that's not really Scotland's debt, but Westminster's
    A modern day Equivalent? ;)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612

    RobD said:

    Second - like SCon after this morning's Sunday Herald front page..

    Smelling salts on standby
    I have no idea if it's true - but one of the comments on the Herald story suggests Scotland has 40% of UK PFI debt - of course subsequent comments suggest that's not really Scotland's debt, but Westminster's
    If only the Scots did have 40% of the UK's PFI - that would mean a total of £75 billion - it's three times that:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/money/loans-credit/crippling-pfi-deals-leave-britain-222bn-in-debt-10170214.html

    So while Scotland's share is 50% higher than it's population it's not five times greater
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    The breakdown by age show that the over 65s are -16 for the Tories and -13 for Labour. Basically the oldies are an ungrateful bunch of *****.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,186
    tlg86 said:

    The breakdown by age show that the over 65s are -16 for the Tories and -13 for Labour. Basically the oldies are an ungrateful bunch of *****.

    Or alternatively they identify with Labour because all of its senior figures are over 60 years old.
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    tlg86 said:

    The breakdown by age show that the over 65s are -16 for the Tories and -13 for Labour. Basically the oldies are an ungrateful bunch of *****.

    We've had time to work out that the secret ballot means we don't have to be realistic.

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612

    tlg86 said:

    The breakdown by age show that the over 65s are -16 for the Tories and -13 for Labour. Basically the oldies are an ungrateful bunch of *****.

    We've had time to work out that the secret ballot means we don't have to be realistic.

    And that voting beats tweeting, posting on Facebook or demonstrating
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...
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    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    I look forward to Roger telling us all that JW was right about his constituents :)

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    I look forward to Roger telling us all that JW was right about his constituents :)

    Unless Matthew Parrish gets there first....
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    I think that Whittingdale will be moved to somewhere much more low profile .... probably the Whips Office .... :smile:
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925
    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,712
    JackW said:

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    I think that Whittingdale will be moved to somewhere much more low profile .... probably the Whips Office .... :smile:
    This won't help him come the next General Election:
    "He called his local Essex constituents ‘oiks’; "
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    SO leaning Leave? ;)
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    I think that Whittingdale will be moved to somewhere much more low profile .... probably the Whips Office .... :smile:
    This won't help him come the next General Election:
    "He called his local Essex constituents ‘oiks’; "
    No problems.

    Whittingdale will offer them lashings of pork barrel goodies, whip them into a frenzy and promise to make local Es-sex girls born again virgins. They'll be gagging for him I'll be bound.

    Landslide Con HOLD ... but very tightly ....
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

    What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

    Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited April 2016
    JackW said:

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    I think that Whittingdale will be moved to somewhere much more low profile .... probably the Whips Office .... :smile:
    Hell hath no fury.... She's a very classy lady (not) the dominatrix on the other hand?

    and how much is the booby twin being paid ?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

    What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

    Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.
    We need input from OGH about east European honey traps after his experiences at the London embassy of the Soviet Union .... Oopps ....Russian Federation.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,186

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

    What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

    Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.
    Shades of the Profumo affair...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    JackW said:

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

    What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

    Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.
    We need input from OGH about east European honey traps after his experiences at the London embassy of the Soviet Union .... Oopps ....Russian Federation.
    politicalbetting.su? :D
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited April 2016

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2016
    JackW said:

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

    What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

    Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.
    We need input from OGH about east European honey traps after his experiences at the London embassy of the Soviet Union .... Oopps ....Russian Federation.
    It is quite obvious why Whittingdale arranged a twinning arrangement between his constituency and the delightful Belarussian city of Breast.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

    What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

    Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.
    We need input from OGH about east European honey traps after his experiences at the London embassy of the Soviet Union .... Oopps ....Russian Federation.
    politicalbetting.su? :D
    PB mods and thread writers = politburo.su .. :sunglasses:
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962

    JackW said:

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

    What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

    Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.
    We need input from OGH about east European honey traps after his experiences at the London embassy of the Soviet Union .... Oopps ....Russian Federation.
    It is quite obvious why Whittingdale arranged a twinning arrangement between his constituency and the delightful Belarussian city of Breast.
    Formerly known as Brest-on-the-Bug... titters
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

    What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

    Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.
    We need input from OGH about east European honey traps after his experiences at the London embassy of the Soviet Union .... Oopps ....Russian Federation.
    politicalbetting.su? :D
    Lets open a book on that.

    Putin to win re-election 1.001

    Er...thats about it....

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

    What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

    Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.
    We need input from OGH about east European honey traps after his experiences at the London embassy of the Soviet Union .... Oopps ....Russian Federation.
    politicalbetting.su? :D
    PB mods and thread writers = politburo.su .. :sunglasses:
    What did you think PB stood for? :p
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    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?
    Asia isn't Europe.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

    What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

    Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.
    It's funny given the hullabaloo HACKED OFF raised about a somewhat more innocuous story - if you want real dirt you need a tabloid!

    Meanwhile the only person emerging from this with a shred of dignity is the dominatrix.....
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?
    Asia isn't Europe.
    And geography barely matters in the 21st century. If they don't need to be in a union why do we?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?
    Asia isn't Europe.
    Given SO was there, as a representative of a company from a nation within the EU (I'm assuming), it is reasonable to assume (again) companies from other such countries were invited.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

    What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

    Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.
    We need input from OGH about east European honey traps after his experiences at the London embassy of the Soviet Union .... Oopps ....Russian Federation.
    It is quite obvious why Whittingdale arranged a twinning arrangement between his constituency and the delightful Belarussian city of Breast.
    Breast .... Oh .... Bitty .... :smile:
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    As my grandmother used to observe, "there's no fool like an old fool"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543701/MP-s-porn-star-lover-shown-Cabinet-papers-John-Whittingdale-new-sex-scandal-SECOND-lover-reveals-affair.html

    I look forward to Hacked Off deprecating this intrusion into his private life...

    Though this Daily Mail article about him is much more interesting:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543695/Minister-mysterious-beauty-Belorussia-love-Whittingdale-enjoyed-intimate-relationship-daughter-USSR-military-officer.html

    What is it with Leavers and their shadowy East European friends?

    Security breaches with a page 3 model is one thing, a Belorussian honeytrap quite another.
    It's funny given the hullabaloo HACKED OFF raised about a somewhat more innocuous story - if you want real dirt you need a tabloid!

    Meanwhile the only person emerging from this with a shred of dignity is the dominatrix.....
    We can at least console ourselves with the knowledge that if ever a Minister showed a liking for humiliation it is Mr Whittingdale.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    SUPPORTERS of independence should not give their second vote to the SNP at the Holyrood elections, according to a new report by one of the country's top political scientists.


    http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/14432696.New_study_claims__independence_supporters_should_not_cast_second_vote_for_SNP_at_Holyrood_election
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Boom tish :smiley:

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    I hosted a Vote Leave event yesterday, 50 or so there paying £10. The speakers were Craig McKinlay of South Thanet fame, he was very good, and Brendan Chilton of Labour Leave who I'd met before, a top class bloke. Interestingly he joked about Kim Jong Corbyn and his conversion on the road to Brussels.

    He said that Corbyn has been anti EU for years and most of Labour MPs are ambivalent, but within the PLP there is a hardcore of Blairites completely PRO and the thinking is it was easier for Corbyn to toe their line without any enthusiasm.

    Virtually everybody went off with bundles of leaflets to deliver, mainly 60 years +, as McKinlay pointed out, this won't be about polls it will be about who votes and we all know who does.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    I hosted a Vote Leave event yesterday, 50 or so there paying £10. The speakers were Craig McKinlay of South Thanet fame, he was very good, and Brendan Chilton of Labour Leave who I'd met before, a top class bloke. Interestingly he joked about Kim Jong Corbyn and his conversion on the road to Brussels.

    He said that Corbyn has been anti EU for years and most of Labour MPs are ambivalent, but within the PLP there is a hardcore of Blairites completely PRO and the thinking is it was easier for Corbyn to toe their line without any enthusiasm.

    Virtually everybody went off with bundles of leaflets to deliver, mainly 60 years +, as McKinlay pointed out, this won't be about polls it will be about who votes and we all know who does.

    Yeah right, those Blairites are in total control of the Labour Party!
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Virtually everybody went off with bundles of leaflets to deliver, mainly 60 years + ..

    Taking 60 years to deliver those bundles of LEAVE leaflets might seem to some as a potential takeover bid for Royal Mail .. :smile:

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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    How are the Leave campaign dealing with Scottish Independence? If we get out, the Scots will have a second vote. How is the campaign handling it?
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,974
    RobD said:

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?
    Asia isn't Europe.
    Given SO was there, as a representative of a company from a nation within the EU (I'm assuming), it is reasonable to assume (again) companies from other such countries were invited.
    One of my sons spends his life successfully selling UK communication equipment to private companies, and governments in the Asia/Pacific region. He certainly doesn’t feel that EU membership is in any way restrictive, and hopes his mother & I vote to Remain. Which isn’t a problem!
    (He lives in SE Asia & has been out of UK too long, I think, to have a vote)
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    I hosted a Vote Leave event yesterday, 50 or so there paying £10. The speakers were Craig McKinlay of South Thanet fame, he was very good, and Brendan Chilton of Labour Leave who I'd met before, a top class bloke. Interestingly he joked about Kim Jong Corbyn and his conversion on the road to Brussels.

    He said that Corbyn has been anti EU for years and most of Labour MPs are ambivalent, but within the PLP there is a hardcore of Blairites completely PRO and the thinking is it was easier for Corbyn to toe their line without any enthusiasm.

    Virtually everybody went off with bundles of leaflets to deliver, mainly 60 years +, as McKinlay pointed out, this won't be about polls it will be about who votes and we all know who does.

    Yeah right, those Blairites are in total control of the Labour Party!
    You can clearly read, have a go at comprehension.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,317
    Jonathan said:

    How are the Leave campaign dealing with Scottish Independence? If we get out, the Scots will have a second vote. How is the campaign handling it?

    That's a myth. A second referendum won't be held until Sturgeon thinks she can win it:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/25/brexit-vote-scotland-out-uk-scottish-independence

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14432723.Second_referendum_only_if_MOST_Scots_want_it__Sturgeon_confirms/
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Jonathan said:

    How are the Leave campaign dealing with Scottish Independence? If we get out, the Scots will have a second vote. How is the campaign handling it?

    That's a myth. A second referendum won't be held until Sturgeon thinks she can win it:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/25/brexit-vote-scotland-out-uk-scottish-independence

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14432723.Second_referendum_only_if_MOST_Scots_want_it__Sturgeon_confirms/
    That might not be far off after a leave vote, perhaps under a Boris premiership.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,317

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?
    Quite.

    Without knowing it SO and Old King Cole make an interesting point: 55% of our trade (and its growing) is now outside the EU, which is a huge economic and political union right on our doorstep.

    Think how much more our trade could grow globally if we had the tools and policies to make the most of it?
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    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,317
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    How are the Leave campaign dealing with Scottish Independence? If we get out, the Scots will have a second vote. How is the campaign handling it?

    That's a myth. A second referendum won't be held until Sturgeon thinks she can win it:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/25/brexit-vote-scotland-out-uk-scottish-independence

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14432723.Second_referendum_only_if_MOST_Scots_want_it__Sturgeon_confirms/
    That might not be far off after a leave vote, perhaps under a Boris premiership.
    Show me the Scottish Unionists who will turn, overnight, into Nationalists just because the UK is no longer an EU member? To break a 300 year old Union in these islands for the sake of rekindling a 40 year old economic and political union with an increasingly federalist continent?

    They will be more interested in making our future trading relationship work.

    It's a myth.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Mr Southam runs a brilliant business, well done him, its nothing to do with anybody else.
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    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    http://thetab.com/2016/04/13/uk-prime-minister-86166

    I got Winston Churchill. Which are you?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,317

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    The scary thing is you clearly believe the bilge you write.

    How do you get to over 65 reaching firm conclusions that are so wrong?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited April 2016

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    How are the Leave campaign dealing with Scottish Independence? If we get out, the Scots will have a second vote. How is the campaign handling it?

    That's a myth. A second referendum won't be held until Sturgeon thinks she can win it:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/25/brexit-vote-scotland-out-uk-scottish-independence

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14432723.Second_referendum_only_if_MOST_Scots_want_it__Sturgeon_confirms/
    That might not be far off after a leave vote, perhaps under a Boris premiership.
    Show me the Scottish Unionists who will turn, overnight, into Nationalists just because the UK is no longer an EU member? To break a 300 year old Union in these islands for the sake of rekindling a 40 year old economic and political union with an increasingly federalist continent?

    They will be more interested in making our future trading relationship work.

    It's a myth.
    I am not sure it can be so easily discounted. We could very well end up outside the EU as rUK That should be taken into account. Some might like that outcome, but it is a very different future.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    Well you need to report Labour Leave to the police then, they are actively supporting and promoting racism.

    There you go, a new hobby for you, drop me and concentrate on Labour Leave, a much bigger target for your inadequacy and frustration.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited April 2016

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    Ah yes, I figure it was about time for those cries of RAAAACCCCIIST to be heard, the last refuge of a scoundrel that can't find a better basis for their argument, although it was almost drowned out by the sounds of vigorous handwaving. Sad.
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019

    http://thetab.com/2016/04/13/uk-prime-minister-86166

    I got Winston Churchill. Which are you?

    snap
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    Indigo said:

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    Ah yes, I figure it was about time for those cries of RAAAACCCCIIST to be heard, the last refuge of a scoundrel that can't find a better basis for their argument, although it was almost drowned out by the sounds of vigorous handwaving. Sad.
    I didn't use all those capitals :)

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: bit sleepy. Will set about trying to write the post-race piece, though I'll do my best to avoid spoilers here.

    Worth noting that you should have the mute button ready if watching the highlights on Channel 4, as Steve Jones is an imbecile.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    Ah yes, I figure it was about time for those cries of RAAAACCCCIIST to be heard, the last refuge of a scoundrel that can't find a better basis for their argument, although it was almost drowned out by the sounds of vigorous handwaving. Sad.
    I didn't use all those capitals :)

    That's a fair cop :D
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,317
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    How are the Leave campaign dealing with Scottish Independence? If we get out, the Scots will have a second vote. How is the campaign handling it?

    That's a myth. A second referendum won't be held until Sturgeon thinks she can win it:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/25/brexit-vote-scotland-out-uk-scottish-independence

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14432723.Second_referendum_only_if_MOST_Scots_want_it__Sturgeon_confirms/
    That might not be far off after a leave vote, perhaps under a Boris premiership.
    Show me the Scottish Unionists who will turn, overnight, into Nationalists just because the UK is no longer an EU member? To break a 300 year old Union in these islands for the sake of rekindling a 40 year old economic and political union with an increasingly federalist continent?

    They will be more interested in making our future trading relationship work.

    It's a myth.
    I am not sure it can be so easily discounted. We could very well end up outside the EU as rUK That should be taken into account. Some might like that outcome, but it is a very different future.
    I don't like that outcome, personally, but the fractures that might lead to Scottish independence are domestic, not foreign.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited April 2016
    Dan's 2p
    A few days ago, senior officials in the Britain Stronger In Europe campaign awoke to find an email from Ryan Coetzee, the pugnacious South African director of strategy, sitting in their inboxes. 'Ignore all the noises off telling us to drop risk. We are sticking rigidly to our 50:50 strategy.'

    The '50:50 strategy' is a simple one. For every message voters receive describing the sunlit uplands of life within the EU, they will also receive one that chills them to the bone.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3543872/DAN-HODGES-Not-scared-leaving-EU-soon-Stronger-brigade-crank-powerful-weapon-Project-Fear.html
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited April 2016

    Dan's 2p

    DAN HODGES: Not scared of leaving the EU yet? You soon will be as the 'Stronger In' brigade crank up their most powerful weapon - Project Fearhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3543872/DAN-HODGES-Not-scared-leaving-EU-soon-Stronger-brigade-crank-powerful-weapon-Project-Fear.html

    I am shocked, considering Hodges is co-founder of Migration Matters Trust, a not just pro-immigration, but pro-migration pressure group.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,936

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    Ah yes. The normal bigoted ignorant garbage from Mr Innocent. I am sure that Robert Smithson and many others on here like myself who favour a move to EFTA and continuation of freedom of movement must only be proposing that because we are racists.

    There are a wide range of political and philosophical reasons to oppose the EU unfortunately it seems you are too dumb to understand them.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925
    RobD said:

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    SO leaning Leave? ;)

    Stay all day
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,721

    http://thetab.com/2016/04/13/uk-prime-minister-86166

    I got Winston Churchill. Which are you?

    Pitt the younger.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

    Of course we could cope. But we should be aiming for higher than that, shouldn't we?

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    PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    Innocent_Abroad - you remind me of a dinner I went to, hosted by a BBC newsreader. The house was on a main road in Moseley. She was very pro immigration and anti racist in speech, but there was something of a disconnect. When she heard that I had parked five yards down a nearby side street she said - it is very dangerous to park there in an asian area.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,974

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?
    Quite.

    Without knowing it SO and Old King Cole make an interesting point: 55% of our trade (and its growing) is now outside the EU, which is a huge economic and political union right on our doorstep.

    Think how much more our trade could grow globally if we had the tools and policies to make the most of it?
    The business my son works with is global and has many customers within the EU. Some of the kit they use is sourced from within other EU states. Because of where he lives and what he does he mixes with people from all over the world, and feels that the opportunities for his children will be much greater in Europe .... if they don’t stay in Asia ..... than in, say Australia or even the US.
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    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    Ah yes. The normal bigoted ignorant garbage from Mr Innocent. I am sure that Robert Smithson and many others on here like myself who favour a move to EFTA and continuation of freedom of movement must only be proposing that because we are racists.

    There are a wide range of political and philosophical reasons to oppose the EU unfortunately it seems you are too dumb to understand them.
    So when REMAIN win the referendum it will be because the voters are stupid? (Hint: white males will vote LEAVE).

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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited April 2016
    kle4 said:

    http://thetab.com/2016/04/13/uk-prime-minister-86166

    I got Winston Churchill. Which are you?

    Pitt the younger.
    Hmm looks like I need to go an buy a pearl necklace :smiley: !
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    On my way to another delivery session for Vote Leave. What a beautiful day to campaign for my country's sovereignty and self-government
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,974
    kle4 said:

    http://thetab.com/2016/04/13/uk-prime-minister-86166

    I got Winston Churchill. Which are you?

    Pitt the younger.
    So did I. But at almost 80 I haven’t died young!
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,974
    RoyalBlue said:

    On my way to another delivery session for Vote Leave. What a beautiful day to campaign for my country's sovereignty and self-government

    Why aren’t you in church?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,317

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

    Of course we could cope. But we should be aiming for higher than that, shouldn't we?

    Precisely. Which is just why we should Leave.

    We should be aiming to be a hugely successful global trading nation, with the world as our oyster.

    Not just accept the straitjacket of remaining a medium-sized European one.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925

    RobD said:

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?
    Asia isn't Europe.
    Given SO was there, as a representative of a company from a nation within the EU (I'm assuming), it is reasonable to assume (again) companies from other such countries were invited.
    One of my sons spends his life successfully selling UK communication equipment to private companies, and governments in the Asia/Pacific region. He certainly doesn’t feel that EU membership is in any way restrictive, and hopes his mother & I vote to Remain. Which isn’t a problem!
    (He lives in SE Asia & has been out of UK too long, I think, to have a vote)

    It is not restrictive. Other EU countries do a lot more trade with Asian countries than we do. The problem is us, not the EU. What we get with the EU is full and unfettered access to a market of 500 million people. Giving that up will not improve access elsewhere. Instead, we need to focus on producing goods and services that people in other countries want to buy. The trade argument for Leave is a total red herring.

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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,936

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    Ah yes. The normal bigoted ignorant garbage from Mr Innocent. I am sure that Robert Smithson and many others on here like myself who favour a move to EFTA and continuation of freedom of movement must only be proposing that because we are racists.

    There are a wide range of political and philosophical reasons to oppose the EU unfortunately it seems you are too dumb to understand them.
    So when REMAIN win the referendum it will be because the voters are stupid? (Hint: white males will vote LEAVE).

    Nope it will be because the Remain argument will have had more penetration and will have been more convincing. It certainly won't be because the electorate think that those proposing Leave are racists. It is only ignorant bigots like you who try to play the racism card.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    Ah yes. The normal bigoted ignorant garbage from Mr Innocent. I am sure that Robert Smithson and many others on here like myself who favour a move to EFTA and continuation of freedom of movement must only be proposing that because we are racists.

    There are a wide range of political and philosophical reasons to oppose the EU unfortunately it seems you are too dumb to understand them.
    So when REMAIN win the referendum it will be because the voters are stupid? (Hint: white males will vote LEAVE).

    Ho hum. Your obsession with identity politics continues.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    How are the Leave campaign dealing with Scottish Independence? If we get out, the Scots will have a second vote. How is the campaign handling it?

    That's a myth. A second referendum won't be held until Sturgeon thinks she can win it:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/25/brexit-vote-scotland-out-uk-scottish-independence

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14432723.Second_referendum_only_if_MOST_Scots_want_it__Sturgeon_confirms/
    That might not be far off after a leave vote, perhaps under a Boris premiership.
    Show me the Scottish Unionists who will turn, overnight, into Nationalists just because the UK is no longer an EU member? To break a 300 year old Union in these islands for the sake of rekindling a 40 year old economic and political union with an increasingly federalist continent?

    They will be more interested in making our future trading relationship work.

    It's a myth.
    It's a hope. And that goes for most of the posts this morning, re the referendum and the Scottish question.

    BTW, good morning all.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited April 2016

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

    Of course we could cope. But we should be aiming for higher than that, shouldn't we?

    Yes. But as it is, since we are not going to join the Euro, it's going to be like the scene from A Christmas Carol, where we are standing outside the window watching everyone else have the party (or running away from the fire). Either way we are going to be the unwelcome lodger they tolerate in the attic because our rent is useful, it's never going to be happy, and it will end in tears at some point when the Eurozone federalising requires use to do something the public won't wear. I can't quite understand the obsession with putting this off until times when we are more integrated and leaving is more painful.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,974

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

    Of course we could cope. But we should be aiming for higher than that, shouldn't we?

    Precisely. Which is just why we should Leave.

    We should be aiming to be a hugely successful global trading nation, with the world as our oyster.

    Not just accept the straitjacket of remaining a medium-sized European one.
    Dealing with the likes of Amazon and Google on our own?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    King Cole, two hands working do more than a thousand clasped in prayer.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,317

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?
    Quite.

    Without knowing it SO and Old King Cole make an interesting point: 55% of our trade (and its growing) is now outside the EU, which is a huge economic and political union right on our doorstep.

    Think how much more our trade could grow globally if we had the tools and policies to make the most of it?
    The business my son works with is global and has many customers within the EU. Some of the kit they use is sourced from within other EU states. Because of where he lives and what he does he mixes with people from all over the world, and feels that the opportunities for his children will be much greater in Europe .... if they don’t stay in Asia ..... than in, say Australia or even the US.
    That is not true. Europe accounts (and will continue to account) for an ever declining percentage of our global trade.

    https://twitter.com/DanHannanMEP/status/720922934286659585

    It's time to free ourselves to make the most of it.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,721

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    Ah yes. The normal bigoted ignorant garbage from Mr Innocent. I am sure that Robert Smithson and many others on here like myself who favour a move to EFTA and continuation of freedom of movement must only be proposing that because we are racists.

    There are a wide range of political and philosophical reasons to oppose the EU unfortunately it seems you are too dumb to understand them.
    So when REMAIN win the referendum it will be because the voters are stupid? (Hint: white males will vote LEAVE).

    Whichever way the public votes, and whatever good arguments are presented on either side, it is quite likely a significant or majority of the voters all over will have been stupid. Ignoring facts they don't like, giving too much weight to irrelevant or false information, using contradictory or irrational logic to make up their minds, and yes, failure to understand important information.

    Obviously I'd like to think I'd avoid the same path but that seems unlikely.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?
    Quite.

    Without knowing it SO and Old King Cole make an interesting point: 55% of our trade (and its growing) is now outside the EU, which is a huge economic and political union right on our doorstep.

    Think how much more our trade could grow globally if we had the tools and policies to make the most of it?

    Your argument might be persuasive if other EU member states struggled to do business outside the EU. But many do a lot better than we do. The vast majority of our export woes are self-inflicted.

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,317

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

    Of course we could cope. But we should be aiming for higher than that, shouldn't we?

    Precisely. Which is just why we should Leave.

    We should be aiming to be a hugely successful global trading nation, with the world as our oyster.

    Not just accept the straitjacket of remaining a medium-sized European one.
    Dealing with the likes of Amazon and Google on our own?
    Ah, too wee, too poor, too stupid.

    I feel sorry for you that you have such little confidence in this country.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Mr Southam runs a brilliant business, well done him, its nothing to do with anybody else.

    I don't run it. I own a part of it.

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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    taffys said:

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    Ah yes. The normal bigoted ignorant garbage from Mr Innocent. I am sure that Robert Smithson and many others on here like myself who favour a move to EFTA and continuation of freedom of movement must only be proposing that because we are racists.

    There are a wide range of political and philosophical reasons to oppose the EU unfortunately it seems you are too dumb to understand them.
    So when REMAIN win the referendum it will be because the voters are stupid? (Hint: white males will vote LEAVE).

    Ho hum. Your obsession with identity politics continues.
    He will be fantasizing about the "right" wanting to herd all lefties into a field and napalm them in a minute. I guess it takes all sorts :p
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,317
    RoyalBlue said:

    On my way to another delivery session for Vote Leave. What a beautiful day to campaign for my country's sovereignty and self-government

    Hear, hear. Good for you.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,233
    Blue_rog said:

    http://thetab.com/2016/04/13/uk-prime-minister-86166

    I got Winston Churchill. Which are you?

    snap
    Me too. I suspect it is one of those where it is difficult not to get Winston Churchill.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    How are the Leave campaign dealing with Scottish Independence? If we get out, the Scots will have a second vote. How is the campaign handling it?

    That's a myth. A second referendum won't be held until Sturgeon thinks she can win it:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/25/brexit-vote-scotland-out-uk-scottish-independence

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14432723.Second_referendum_only_if_MOST_Scots_want_it__Sturgeon_confirms/
    That might not be far off after a leave vote, perhaps under a Boris premiership.
    Show me the Scottish Unionists who will turn, overnight, into Nationalists just because the UK is no longer an EU member? To break a 300 year old Union in these islands for the sake of rekindling a 40 year old economic and political union with an increasingly federalist continent?

    They will be more interested in making our future trading relationship work.

    It's a myth.
    Unionists are about 35% of the electorate, Nationalists about 25%. It's the 40% in between who are to play for.

    Alex Massive had an article about how he would have to consider his options regarding independence in the case of a Leave vote
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    Indigo said:

    taffys said:

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    Ah yes. The normal bigoted ignorant garbage from Mr Innocent. I am sure that Robert Smithson and many others on here like myself who favour a move to EFTA and continuation of freedom of movement must only be proposing that because we are racists.

    There are a wide range of political and philosophical reasons to oppose the EU unfortunately it seems you are too dumb to understand them.
    So when REMAIN win the referendum it will be because the voters are stupid? (Hint: white males will vote LEAVE).

    Ho hum. Your obsession with identity politics continues.
    He will be fantasizing about the "right" wanting to herd all lefties into a field and napalm them in a minute. I guess it takes all sorts :p
    I didn't say that. You got there first. So whose head was the napalm inside?

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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.
    You sound like the school sports-master who said to a boy "just think how many runs Bradman would have made if he'd held his bat properly"...
    What a stupid thing to say, but then you spend half your life trolling and googling me. Go and find something worthwhile to do with your pointless existence.

    Are you and Philip Thomson the same person?

    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    Ah yes. The normal bigoted ignorant garbage from Mr Innocent. I am sure that Robert Smithson and many others on here like myself who favour a move to EFTA and continuation of freedom of movement must only be proposing that because we are racists.

    There are a wide range of political and philosophical reasons to oppose the EU unfortunately it seems you are too dumb to understand them.
    So when REMAIN win the referendum it will be because the voters are stupid? (Hint: white males will vote LEAVE).

    Nope it will be because the Remain argument will have had more penetration and will have been more convincing. It certainly won't be because the electorate think that those proposing Leave are racists. It is only ignorant bigots like you who try to play the racism card.
    It's quite alarming how many Vote Leavers on PB are like @Richard_Tyndall, who in their heart of hearts have already given up on the referendum, and give the win to Remain. To call people bigots because they have strong views on particular parts of the Leave argument, shows that in reality the defeatism in these people is very potent.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    I'm puzzled, you're clearly a clever bloke involved in a great company, returning from another successful business trip abroad you immediately appear to think:

    Thank God for the EU.

    Your obvious success has zero to do with EU politicians and bureaucrats, they are a hindrance not a help, you simply don't need them.

    Not really. What I think is that the single market is a great opportunity and a wonderful thing to be a part of from a business perspective, while being an EU member state is no real hindrance to trading elsewhere. We do have export problems in the UK, but they have largely been created by ourselves over a long period of time.

    I am relatively relaxed about pooling sovereignty - the EU cannot prevent us from having this referendum, which shows that ultimately we are in charge.

    The price we'd pay for significantly reducing EU migration is too high in my opinion: less consumer choice, higher prices and significantly reduced access to the single market.

    I don't love the EU as an institution, I think the Brussels gravy train is obscene; but overall I'd rather be on the inside with a chance to do something about it, than on the outside with no influence and reduced access.



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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Southam

    There is a lot of self interest in your stance, that's fine, that applies to us all. This unfettered, 500 million etc etc may be true but it comes at a cost, membership fees of £millions a day (arguable in total but a fact nonetheless) paid by ordinary taxpayers. Where do you think that £1.7bn, that Cameron refused to pay but did anyway, comes from?

    As a labour voter, surely you see that as unfair - the little people propping up businesses for their wealthy owners? Because that is precisely what is happening.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548



    Whether or not, all we ever get from you is racist anger. There is no reason to be anti-EU other than racism.

    So Corbyn was a massive racist until his conversion some time in the last few months?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,317

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?
    Quite.

    Without knowing it SO and Old King Cole make an interesting point: 55% of our trade (and its growing) is now outside the EU, which is a huge economic and political union right on our doorstep.

    Think how much more our trade could grow globally if we had the tools and policies to make the most of it?

    Your argument might be persuasive if other EU member states struggled to do business outside the EU. But many do a lot better than we do. The vast majority of our export woes are self-inflicted.

    We do far more global (non EU) trade than all other EU states. That doesn't mean specific companies or industries elsewhere in the EU aren't better-placed.

    Outside the common external tariff, and being willing to liberalise on regulation where the EU is not, signing dynamic free trade agreements, I think we could do much better.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105

    We did two events in Asia last week - both very well attended - and had a series of successful meetings with big, local companies in Taiwan and Korea, as well as with government officials. This was mainly organised out of our Hong Kong office, which took about a day to set up - if that. I am now back in the UK, lagged to pieces and confused about how the EU is restricting the ability of British companies to trade with the rest of the world.

    How many of those nations you visited were members of the EU? Presumably they could cope outside so why couldn't we?

    Of course we could cope. But we should be aiming for higher than that, shouldn't we?

    Precisely. Which is just why we should Leave.

    We should be aiming to be a hugely successful global trading nation, with the world as our oyster.

    Not just accept the straitjacket of remaining a medium-sized European one.
    Dealing with the likes of Amazon and Google on our own?
    You think the world's fifth largest economy can't get terms?

    Another Remainder wimp....
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