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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,404
    edited April 2016
    What was it Dave said about UKIP/UKIPers?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Damn discussion ID! Second like Zac
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    Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    edited April 2016
    I doubt many voters could give a coherent account of how much influence Jews (or dwarves, or whoever) ought to have. I doubt I could.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    What a silly article - the nub is whether MPs and persons holding office within the parties hold these views.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,274
    FPT

    Mr. Eagles, I agree that Facebook likes and Twitter RTs are of, at best, limited value.

    That said, comparing Leavers with those opposing same sex marriage doesn't exactly erode the perception that some Remainers have a superiority complex.

    Miss Cyclefree, blimey. I shall sacrifice a goat to Asclepius on your behalf. Hope you are fully mended soon.

    I don't have a superiority complex.

    I'm just superior in fact and person :lol:
    "My name is George Nathaniel Curzon,
    I am a most superior person.
    My cheeks are pink, my hair is sleek,
    I dine at Blenheim twice a week."
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    What was it Dave said about UKIP/UKIPers?

    Dave the leftie union lover ? Who cares.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,274
    FPT

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    What did we learn about social media at the last election?

    What are you learning about party membership ? EU Ref will probably take it below 100,000.
    I've learned Margaret Thatcher saw a larger fall in membership numbers whilst she was leader (in absolute and in percentage terms)

    Parties used to be mass membership organisations, now they aren't.

    It's a trend we see, party membership declines a decent leader comes in, boosts membership and it declines whilst in government.
    So Labour is at it's highest membership level in years because they have a good leader !? I would hate to see what they consider a bad leader ?
    Say what you like about Corbyn, and I can say plenty, but no one can deny he has energised politics, particularly those who are his supporters.
    Islamist propaganda :lol:
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    edited April 2016
    This thread is poor, it conflates party membership with party voters. Party voters have little power compared to the members - so the thread tries to imply UKIP have an internal Antisemitism problem on a larger or similar scale to Labour, when there is little evidence for it.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pauly said:

    This thread is poor, it conflates party membership with party voters. Party voters have little power compared to the members - so the thread tries to imply UKIP have an internal Antisemitism problem on a larger or similar scale to Labour, when there is little evidence for it.

    That's why the LDs don't feature - the membership is the voters. Both of them.
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Whatever the story, it must be bad news for LEAVE, apparently.
    Pauly said:

    This thread is poor, it conflates party membership with party voters. Party voters have little power compared to the members - so the thread tries to imply UKIP have an internal Antisemitism problem on a larger or similar scale to Labour, when there is little evidence for it.

    Whatever the story, it must be bad news for LEAVE, apparently.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    TGOHF said:

    What a silly article - the nub is whether MPs and persons holding office within the parties hold these views.

    Yes, that's the point. UKIP has attracted some oddballs over the years, but the Party doesn't have a problem with anti-Semitism.
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    I think Labour has today deepened its image as the party of welfare scroungers and Jihadists. Not convinced that is a good look for Middle England.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    National - Zogby

    Clinton 47 .. Trump 40
    Clinton 46 .. Cruz 37
    Clinton 44 .. Kasich 41

    http://zogbyanalytics.com/news/742-zogby-analytics-news-wire-general-election-head-to-head-matchups

    Kasich and Cruz both getting soundly thrashed now - Trump doing better than Cruz.
    Indeed. It would appear the "Odd Couple" act has really gone down badly.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited April 2016
    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057
    Moses_ said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    What did we learn about social media at the last election?

    What are you learning about party membership ? EU Ref will probably take it below 100,000.
    I've learned Margaret Thatcher saw a larger fall in membership numbers whilst she was leader (in absolute and in percentage terms)

    Parties used to be mass membership organisations, now they aren't.

    It's a trend we see, party membership declines a decent leader comes in, boosts membership and it declines whilst in government.
    So Labour is at it's highest membership level in years because they have a good leader !? I would hate to see what they consider a bad leader ?
    Say what you like about Corbyn, and I can say plenty, but no one can deny he has energised politics, particularly those who are his supporters.
    Turned up the volume?
    The pious man is here to stay and he's burning down the commune.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    If you lift up stones, you find all kinds of insect life wriggling underneath.

    I feel very sorry for Labour supporters today, the great majority of whom must be holding their heads in despair today. Those people deserve better.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Jews have too much influence - Agree: UKIP voters 18%; Labour voters 10%; Tory voters 9%.


    Daft poll - Party leaders can’t help who supports their party, but they can decide which MPs represent their party.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Michael Crowley of "Politico" looks at @LondonBob and the Kremlin's candidate for POTUS .... you'll never guess .... :smiley:

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-russia-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    National - Zogby

    Clinton 47 .. Trump 40
    Clinton 46 .. Cruz 37
    Clinton 44 .. Kasich 41

    http://zogbyanalytics.com/news/742-zogby-analytics-news-wire-general-election-head-to-head-matchups

    Kasich and Cruz both getting soundly thrashed now - Trump doing better than Cruz.
    Indeed. It would appear the "Odd Couple" act has really gone down badly.
    which way round?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,605
    I don't want any religion, or people who act in the name of a religion, to have any influence in British political life. Keep politics secular, and let people prostrate themselves to images of the tooth fairy behind closed doors.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited April 2016
    Oh FFS parties are not responsible the sort of people that claim support for them or that vote for them, this premise just won't fly, anyone to the right of UKIP is going to vote UKIP as the most rightwing party on offer, just as all the leftie nutters would vote SWP (although now Corbyn's Labour might be to the left of them).

    You can chuck out members that misbehave, it's going to be tough to chuck out voters that you don't like.
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191

    If you lift up stones, you find all kinds of insect life wriggling underneath.

    I feel very sorry for Labour supporters today, the great majority of whom must be holding their heads in despair today. Those people deserve better.

    If they voted for Corbyn, do they?
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    MrsBMrsB Posts: 574
    Moses_ said:

    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......

    I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,203

    If you lift up stones, you find all kinds of insect life wriggling underneath.

    I feel very sorry for Labour supporters today, the great majority of whom must be holding their heads in despair today. Those people deserve better.

    I have sympathy for the likes of SO. For those who voted for Corbyn, not so much. None, in fact. For those MPs who mutter behind their hands and to journalists but who do nothing, my sympathy is turning to contempt.


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    FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    Jews too much influence?? Really??

    I've lived in Britain all 38 years of my life and I think I've only ever met two Jews...

    I met four Israelis in our casino in Vegas*. That's two more than I've met here!

    *The one girl from Tel Aviv was smoking hot.. woah...absolutely smoking!
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited April 2016
    MrsB said:

    Moses_ said:

    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......

    I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
    Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.

    As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
    :lol:
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,415

    What was it Dave said about UKIP/UKIPers?

    They're 9% more anti-Jewish than my party?
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    If you lift up stones, you find all kinds of insect life wriggling underneath.

    I feel very sorry for Labour supporters today, the great majority of whom must be holding their heads in despair today. Those people deserve better.

    Sorry but they bought a Staffordshire bull terrier and are surprised it bit someone ?

    They were either fools or knaves. Likely both.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,415
    AN AWFUL DAY FOR UKIP.

    Yes of course, why didn't we all see it?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,274
    Moses_ said:

    MrsB said:

    Moses_ said:

    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......

    I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
    Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.

    As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
    :lol:
    If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Cyclefree said:

    If you lift up stones, you find all kinds of insect life wriggling underneath.

    I feel very sorry for Labour supporters today, the great majority of whom must be holding their heads in despair today. Those people deserve better.

    I have sympathy for the likes of SO. For those who voted for Corbyn, not so much. None, in fact. For those MPs who mutter behind their hands and to journalists but who do nothing, my sympathy is turning to contempt.


    FPT: Sorry to hear of your medical crisis. Get well soon.

    Chances if you got medical treatment in NYC your doctor was Jewish or Muslim. How appropriate for today's discussions and developments.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,274

    I don't want any religion, or people who act in the name of a religion, to have any influence in British political life. Keep politics secular, and let people prostrate themselves to images of the tooth fairy behind closed doors.

    Well said!
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Fenster said:

    Jews too much influence?? Really??

    I've lived in Britain all 38 years of my life and I think I've only ever met two Jews...

    I met four Israelis in our casino in Vegas*. That's two more than I've met here!

    *The one girl from Tel Aviv was smoking hot.. woah...absolutely smoking!

    You've probably met many in the UK without realizing. Personally, that's how I like non-discrimination to be - only aware of someone's faith if they chose to reveal it to you.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    What is a respectable social scientist doing pushing such a load of twaddle anyway. It's like because the local BNP decided to go to the Fox & Hounds for their Christmas drink the landlord must be a fascist.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,404
    edited April 2016
    I've always found Anti-Semitism a curious thing in the Tory Party.

    One of my heroes, a true One Nation Tory, Harold MacMillan said when there were quite a few Jews in Lady Thatcher's cabinet, “The thing about Margaret's Cabinet is that it includes more Old Estonians than it does Old Etonians.”

    But it was an appalling comment, he wasn't my hero because he said that, but because he was a One Nation Tory.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TGOHF said:

    What a silly article - the nub is whether MPs and persons holding office within the parties hold these views.

    It's also a question of whether it is institutionally tolerated. I don't believe it is in the Tory Party
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    MTimT said:

    Fenster said:

    Jews too much influence?? Really??

    I've lived in Britain all 38 years of my life and I think I've only ever met two Jews...

    I met four Israelis in our casino in Vegas*. That's two more than I've met here!

    *The one girl from Tel Aviv was smoking hot.. woah...absolutely smoking!

    You've probably met many in the UK without realizing. Personally, that's how I like non-discrimination to be - only aware of someone's faith if they chose to reveal it to you.
    Isn't more that most Jewish people in the UK are Jew-ish rather than Jewish, such as having one parent who is fully Jewish?
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    JackW said:

    Michael Crowley of "Politico" looks at @LondonBob and the Kremlin's candidate for POTUS .... you'll never guess .... :smiley:

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-russia-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833

    Putin probably wants Hillary since he had access to her e-mail traffic for several years.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    I don't want any religion, or people who act in the name of a religion, to have any influence in British political life. Keep politics secular, and let people prostrate themselves to images of the tooth fairy behind closed doors.

    Let us pray so ....
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited April 2016

    I've always found Anti-Semitism a curious thing in the Tory Party.

    One of my heroes, a true One Nation Tory, Harold MacMillan said when there were quite a few Jews in Lady Thatcher's cabinet, “The thing about Margaret's Cabinet is that it includes more Old Estonians than it does Old Etonians.”

    Attitudes have changed: one of my forebears, on being asked why our family flourished in our chosen profession replied "we have just the right amount of Jewish blood: neither too much, nor too little"
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    What a silly article - the nub is whether MPs and persons holding office within the parties hold these views.

    It's also a question of whether it is institutionally tolerated. I don't believe it is in the Tory Party
    or Ukip. Or even Labour up until last summer.

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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    MTimT said:

    Fenster said:

    Jews too much influence?? Really??

    I've lived in Britain all 38 years of my life and I think I've only ever met two Jews...

    I met four Israelis in our casino in Vegas*. That's two more than I've met here!

    *The one girl from Tel Aviv was smoking hot.. woah...absolutely smoking!

    You've probably met many in the UK without realizing. Personally, that's how I like non-discrimination to be - only aware of someone's faith if they chose to reveal it to you.
    Isn't more that most Jewish people in the UK are Jew-ish rather than Jewish, such as having one parent who is fully Jewish?
    Even better ... Intermarriage is the sign of true tolerance and acceptance
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited April 2016
    LondonBob said:
    Wow! POTUS Donald looks like it might be on. We'll certainly have the liveliest and most entertaining campaign EVER. Even if she wins Hillary is going to be damaged goods after the beasting Trump is going to give her. From emails to Benghazi, from Bill to her execrable record in office, from corruption to money (some of which Trump himself gave her) - it's going to be a whackathon. I'm 100 sure Trump has the most amazing little black book full of HRC flavoured shit to spray around. It's going to be magnificent.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Moses_ said:

    MrsB said:

    Moses_ said:

    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......

    I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
    Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.

    As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
    :lol:
    If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
    What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....

    I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,893
    What an extraordinary day, in fact an extraordinary week in politics. Next week is election week, maybe that will be quieter?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    Michael Crowley of "Politico" looks at @LondonBob and the Kremlin's candidate for POTUS .... you'll never guess .... :smiley:

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-russia-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833

    Putin probably wants Hillary since he had access to her e-mail traffic for several years.
    Ah .... that cunning KGB man Putin .... :smile:
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    MTimT said:

    MTimT said:

    Fenster said:

    Jews too much influence?? Really??

    I've lived in Britain all 38 years of my life and I think I've only ever met two Jews...

    I met four Israelis in our casino in Vegas*. That's two more than I've met here!

    *The one girl from Tel Aviv was smoking hot.. woah...absolutely smoking!

    You've probably met many in the UK without realizing. Personally, that's how I like non-discrimination to be - only aware of someone's faith if they chose to reveal it to you.
    Isn't more that most Jewish people in the UK are Jew-ish rather than Jewish, such as having one parent who is fully Jewish?
    Even better ... Intermarriage is the sign of true tolerance and acceptance
    One of my closest friends is Jew-ish, and normally he's not interested in politics, but when Ed Miliband ate that bacon sandwich, his reaction was 'Poor Ed Miliband's mother, having to see footage of her son eating bacon, that's the sort of thing that gives Jewish mothers heart attacks'
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,415
    Charles said:

    I've always found Anti-Semitism a curious thing in the Tory Party.

    One of my heroes, a true One Nation Tory, Harold MacMillan said when there were quite a few Jews in Lady Thatcher's cabinet, “The thing about Margaret's Cabinet is that it includes more Old Estonians than it does Old Etonians.”

    Attitudes have changed: one of my forebears, on being asked why our family flourished in our chosen profession replied "we have just the right amount of Jewish blood: neither too much, nor too little"
    I have a little Jewish blood on my mother's side. Rather too little I fancy if your ancestor's maxim on financial astuteness turns out to have any truth in it.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,815
    edited April 2016
    Indigo said:
    The Blairites forced Ken to go before the media (drunk?) and speak absolute rubbish?
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    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    MrsB said:

    Moses_ said:

    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......

    I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
    Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.

    As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
    :lol:
    If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
    What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....

    I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
    RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:
    The Blairites forced Ken to go before the media (drunk?) and speak absolute rubbish?
    No, it was the Jews.
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    BBC showing a young man tying an Israel flag to Livingstone's front door. He opens the door in a labour shirt and removes it. These are serious days for Corbyn's labour
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,274
    MTimT said:

    Fenster said:

    Jews too much influence?? Really??

    I've lived in Britain all 38 years of my life and I think I've only ever met two Jews...

    I met four Israelis in our casino in Vegas*. That's two more than I've met here!

    *The one girl from Tel Aviv was smoking hot.. woah...absolutely smoking!

    You've probably met many in the UK without realizing. Personally, that's how I like non-discrimination to be - only aware of someone's faith if they chose to reveal it to you.
    At my grammar school, in our class of 30 (from 1987-1994), eight were Jews. But to put into context, there were also eight Asians (including yours truly), and two mixed race people (including Labour's Alex Hilton from 1990).

    Of the Asians, three were Hindu, two Muslim, two Christian and one Sikh.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TGOHF said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    What a silly article - the nub is whether MPs and persons holding office within the parties hold these views.

    It's also a question of whether it is institutionally tolerated. I don't believe it is in the Tory Party
    or Ukip. Or even Labour up until last summer.

    Indeed.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    What a silly article - the nub is whether MPs and persons holding office within the parties hold these views.

    It's also a question of whether it is institutionally tolerated. I don't believe it is in the Tory Party
    Yes. It is inconceivable that any senior Tory would behave the way Ken did today. It is also pretty inconceivable that a Tory MP would do what Shah did.

    The reason the Left is in a bind is because this discourse is privately tolerated, even encouraged in Lefty circles - the anti-Zio crap at universities, the Jew-hating stuff from British-Islamic Labourites, and it's been tolerated so long they've forgotten how awful it looks to outsiders.

    Hence perhaps Naz Shah's "shock" at what she herself said. Perhaps she was speaking the truth. It's only when she stepped back and took a good hard look at herself that she realised she was being actively racist.
    Some weak whataboutery being peddled by apologists today. Birrell, Rentoul, the usual suspects.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,274
    Patrick said:

    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    MrsB said:

    Moses_ said:

    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......

    I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
    Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.

    As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
    :lol:
    If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
    What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....

    I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
    RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
    If Labour come to power, we'll have HMS OK and HMS Not Bad :lol:
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    LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467
    edited April 2016
    Trump's performance in the wealthy suburbs of Philadelphia and Maryland around DC was certainly a notable achievement.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-wealthy-idUSKCN0XP1A1

    Very impressed by his foreign policy speech too. America First, will keep the foreign policy and antiwar crowd on board. Interestingly Newt Gingrich very laudatory, rumours of a potential VP spot, but perhaps a better fit for Chief of Staff or some such position.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,274

    MTimT said:

    MTimT said:

    Fenster said:

    Jews too much influence?? Really??

    I've lived in Britain all 38 years of my life and I think I've only ever met two Jews...

    I met four Israelis in our casino in Vegas*. That's two more than I've met here!

    *The one girl from Tel Aviv was smoking hot.. woah...absolutely smoking!

    You've probably met many in the UK without realizing. Personally, that's how I like non-discrimination to be - only aware of someone's faith if they chose to reveal it to you.
    Isn't more that most Jewish people in the UK are Jew-ish rather than Jewish, such as having one parent who is fully Jewish?
    Even better ... Intermarriage is the sign of true tolerance and acceptance
    One of my closest friends is Jew-ish, and normally he's not interested in politics, but when Ed Miliband ate that bacon sandwich, his reaction was 'Poor Ed Miliband's mother, having to see footage of her son eating bacon, that's the sort of thing that gives Jewish mothers heart attacks'
    Can you imagine Sadiq eating a bacon sandwich?
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    Michael Crowley of "Politico" looks at @LondonBob and the Kremlin's candidate for POTUS .... you'll never guess .... :smiley:

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-russia-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833

    Putin probably wants Hillary since he had access to her e-mail traffic for several years.
    Ah .... that cunning KGB man Putin .... :smile:
    Just returned from the Isle of Wight (abroad) and on the ferry there was a lady wearing dark glasses and a scarf hidden behind a paper called "Russia ???" something or other with the face of Gorbachov on its front page.

    I think there could be Russian sleepers in Cowes.

    Beware !
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Indigo said:
    I definitely think tones mates forced ken to go on dp & spout stuff about Hitler...it's all a zoinist conspiracy!!!
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    How long before the likes of Sean Thomas call on socialism to be criminalised?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,925
    LondonBob said:

    Trump's performance in the wealthy suburbs of Philadelphia and Maryland around DC was certainly a notable achievement.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-wealthy-idUSKCN0XP1A1

    Very impressed by his foreign policy speech too. America First, will keep the foreign policy and antiwar crowd on board. Interestingly Newt Gingrich very laudatory, rumours of a potential VP spot, but perhaps a better fit for Chief of Staff or some such position.

    "Trump will win the state by a YUuuuuuuuuuge margin but watch out for wide geographic variability which may well hand some CDs to Kasich near DC (4, 5, 8) are the ones to watch I think."

    I wrote that in my thread header on the race - Trump was certainly NOT a foregone conclusion in the DC suburbs, he was soundly defeated in Northern VA by Marco Rubio earlier in the cycle.

    It showed alot of progress and was one of the reasons I topped up my position.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,274
    Moses_ said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    Michael Crowley of "Politico" looks at @LondonBob and the Kremlin's candidate for POTUS .... you'll never guess .... :smiley:

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-russia-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833

    Putin probably wants Hillary since he had access to her e-mail traffic for several years.
    Ah .... that cunning KGB man Putin .... :smile:
    Just returned from the Isle of Wight (abroad) and on the ferry there was a lady wearing dark glasses and a scarf hidden behind a paper called "Russia ???" something or other with the face of Gorbachov on its front page.

    I think there could be Russian sleepers in Cowes.

    Beware !
    Damn! I want to do the Island Line some time this summer!
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    MTimT said:

    MTimT said:

    Fenster said:

    Jews too much influence?? Really??

    I've lived in Britain all 38 years of my life and I think I've only ever met two Jews...

    I met four Israelis in our casino in Vegas*. That's two more than I've met here!

    *The one girl from Tel Aviv was smoking hot.. woah...absolutely smoking!

    You've probably met many in the UK without realizing. Personally, that's how I like non-discrimination to be - only aware of someone's faith if they chose to reveal it to you.
    Isn't more that most Jewish people in the UK are Jew-ish rather than Jewish, such as having one parent who is fully Jewish?
    Even better ... Intermarriage is the sign of true tolerance and acceptance
    One of my closest friends is Jew-ish, and normally he's not interested in politics, but when Ed Miliband ate that bacon sandwich, his reaction was 'Poor Ed Miliband's mother, having to see footage of her son eating bacon, that's the sort of thing that gives Jewish mothers heart attacks'
    Can you imagine Sadiq eating a bacon sandwich?
    He's got the perfect excuse.

    I don't want to eat anything that might have had Cameron's dangly bits in it.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Patrick said:

    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    MrsB said:

    Moses_ said:

    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......

    I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
    Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.

    As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
    :lol:
    If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
    What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....

    I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
    RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
    If Labour come to power, we'll have HMS OK and HMS Not Bad :lol:
    More likely PRS Chavez, PRS Hitler and PRS Mao.

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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2016
    I sometimes forget how little most people care about or notice politics.

    On today of all days, the top article on the BBC's "most read" is ... *drumroll* ...

    "Hi-de-Hi! actor Barry Howard dies at 78"

    WTF
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    How long before the likes of Sean Thomas call on socialism to be criminalised?

    Its not a moment too soon to be fair.
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    Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608

    If you lift up stones, you find all kinds of insect life wriggling underneath.

    I feel very sorry for Labour supporters today, the great majority of whom must be holding their heads in despair today. Those people deserve better.

    On the other hand, there will be a small group of people, scattered across the country, looking at the events of the past couple of days with quiet, stunned satisfaction, thinking: "best £3 I ever spent".
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,274

    How long before the likes of Sean Thomas call on socialism to be criminalised?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-YYroSudUs
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    What a silly article - the nub is whether MPs and persons holding office within the parties hold these views.

    It's also a question of whether it is institutionally tolerated. I don't believe it is in the Tory Party
    Yes. It is inconceivable that any senior Tory would behave the way Ken did today. It is also pretty inconceivable that a Tory MP would do what Shah did.

    The reason the Left is in a bind is because this discourse is privately tolerated, even encouraged in Lefty circles - the anti-Zio crap at universities, the Jew-hating stuff from British-Islamic Labourites, and it's been tolerated so long they've forgotten how awful it looks to outsiders.

    Hence perhaps Naz Shah's "shock" at what she herself said. Perhaps she was speaking the truth. It's only when she stepped back and took a good hard look at herself that she realised she was being actively racist.
    It's tolerated because they are lefties. They say and do things that anyone else could never ever get away with and would make then front page news as well as BBC news at 6 and if a Tory then News at 10, BBC website entry ( 7 days minimum) and an additional Newsnight special.

    Personally I call it hypocrisy but still.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,925

    MTimT said:

    MTimT said:

    Fenster said:

    Jews too much influence?? Really??

    I've lived in Britain all 38 years of my life and I think I've only ever met two Jews...

    I met four Israelis in our casino in Vegas*. That's two more than I've met here!

    *The one girl from Tel Aviv was smoking hot.. woah...absolutely smoking!

    You've probably met many in the UK without realizing. Personally, that's how I like non-discrimination to be - only aware of someone's faith if they chose to reveal it to you.
    Isn't more that most Jewish people in the UK are Jew-ish rather than Jewish, such as having one parent who is fully Jewish?
    Even better ... Intermarriage is the sign of true tolerance and acceptance
    One of my closest friends is Jew-ish, and normally he's not interested in politics, but when Ed Miliband ate that bacon sandwich, his reaction was 'Poor Ed Miliband's mother, having to see footage of her son eating bacon, that's the sort of thing that gives Jewish mothers heart attacks'
    Can you imagine Sadiq eating a bacon sandwich?
    He's got the perfect excuse.

    I don't want to eat anything that might have had Cameron's dangly bits in it.
    Are you not allowed to be an atheist if your parents and ethnicity is Jewish :/ ?
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Patrick said:

    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    MrsB said:

    Moses_ said:

    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......

    I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
    Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.

    As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
    :lol:
    If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
    What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....

    I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
    RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
    Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?

    I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
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    Pulpstar said:

    MTimT said:

    MTimT said:

    Fenster said:

    Jews too much influence?? Really??

    I've lived in Britain all 38 years of my life and I think I've only ever met two Jews...

    I met four Israelis in our casino in Vegas*. That's two more than I've met here!

    *The one girl from Tel Aviv was smoking hot.. woah...absolutely smoking!

    You've probably met many in the UK without realizing. Personally, that's how I like non-discrimination to be - only aware of someone's faith if they chose to reveal it to you.
    Isn't more that most Jewish people in the UK are Jew-ish rather than Jewish, such as having one parent who is fully Jewish?
    Even better ... Intermarriage is the sign of true tolerance and acceptance
    One of my closest friends is Jew-ish, and normally he's not interested in politics, but when Ed Miliband ate that bacon sandwich, his reaction was 'Poor Ed Miliband's mother, having to see footage of her son eating bacon, that's the sort of thing that gives Jewish mothers heart attacks'
    Can you imagine Sadiq eating a bacon sandwich?
    He's got the perfect excuse.

    I don't want to eat anything that might have had Cameron's dangly bits in it.
    Are you not allowed to be an atheist if your parents and ethnicity is Jewish :/ ?
    I don't know, I'm not Jewish.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Patrick said:

    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    MrsB said:

    Moses_ said:

    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......

    I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
    Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.

    As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
    :lol:
    If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
    What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....

    I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
    RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
    If Labour come to power, we'll have HMS OK and HMS Not Bad :lol:
    Not HMS Edstone?
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    "Jan 2015 “Jews have too much influence in this country”
    Agree: UKIP voters 18%; Labour voters 10%; Tory voters 9%."

    Is this really just another sign that the Labour Leadership are way out of line with the views of their voters?
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    This is from Michael Crick –

    TORY EXPENSES: Elect Comm asks CPS & police forces to consider applying for 12-month extension to 12 month time limit on RPA prosecutions
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    LondonBob said:
    Here's Rasmussen's 2012 presidential polling

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/election_2012

    Every single "toss up" state with a Romeny lead won by 5% or more by Obama.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    So, that Ken, eh? What a card.

    I'm honestly questioning why I ever thought he seemed like an alright scamp of a chap. In the last few years it's become apparent to me he is pretty despicable as a person - hateful, petty, hypocritical, self righteous and actually pretty dim as well. I've no doubt he's done and said things which would seem to argue against being anti-Semitic, but after so many times it feels like that is, consciously or not, just how he internally justifies his positions while still seeing himself as the hero of his own story. You can still be a bad person even if sometimes, somewhere, you happen to be kind, and so it is with Ken - however he attempts to justify himself, how he may even genuinely view himself, the preponderance of the evidence of his views leans toward his opponent's opinions of him being correct.

    I appreciate that rant is probably late to the party, but I've been offline most of the day, and even expecting him to say something to defend Shah (that it was expected, and that it would be with deflections of the issue, is an issue in itself), pretty shocking events.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,925
    Wouldn't something like the Netherlands be a fairer comparison, or are there good reasons to suspect we're more like southern than northern Europe economically ?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,274
    MTimT said:

    Patrick said:

    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    MrsB said:

    Moses_ said:

    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......

    I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
    Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.

    As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
    :lol:
    If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
    What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....

    I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
    RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
    Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?

    I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
    Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge-class_battleship
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Those numbers are an excellent illustration of two of the Prime Minister's key arguments -

    1) that the EU is good for young people
    2) that the EU protects workers' rights.

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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Patrick said:

    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    MrsB said:

    Moses_ said:

    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......

    I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
    Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.

    As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
    :lol:
    If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
    What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....

    I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
    RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
    If Labour come to power, we'll have HMS OK and HMS Not Bad :lol:
    24 hours to save the RN ?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,274

    Pulpstar said:

    MTimT said:

    MTimT said:

    Fenster said:

    Jews too much influence?? Really??

    I've lived in Britain all 38 years of my life and I think I've only ever met two Jews...

    I met four Israelis in our casino in Vegas*. That's two more than I've met here!

    *The one girl from Tel Aviv was smoking hot.. woah...absolutely smoking!

    You've probably met many in the UK without realizing. Personally, that's how I like non-discrimination to be - only aware of someone's faith if they chose to reveal it to you.
    Isn't more that most Jewish people in the UK are Jew-ish rather than Jewish, such as having one parent who is fully Jewish?
    Even better ... Intermarriage is the sign of true tolerance and acceptance
    One of my closest friends is Jew-ish, and normally he's not interested in politics, but when Ed Miliband ate that bacon sandwich, his reaction was 'Poor Ed Miliband's mother, having to see footage of her son eating bacon, that's the sort of thing that gives Jewish mothers heart attacks'
    Can you imagine Sadiq eating a bacon sandwich?
    He's got the perfect excuse.

    I don't want to eat anything that might have had Cameron's dangly bits in it.
    Are you not allowed to be an atheist if your parents and ethnicity is Jewish :/ ?
    I don't know, I'm not Jewish.
    Anti-semite! :lol::lol:
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,925
    justin124 said:

    This is from Michael Crick –

    TORY EXPENSES: Elect Comm asks CPS & police forces to consider applying for 12-month extension to 12 month time limit on RPA prosecutions

    It's all happening today.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    justin124 said:

    This is from Michael Crick –

    TORY EXPENSES: Elect Comm asks CPS & police forces to consider applying for 12-month extension to 12 month time limit on RPA prosecutions

    Interesting. Can they do that?

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    edited April 2016

    How long before the likes of Sean Thomas call on socialism to be criminalised?

    I'm sure some people already have. Obviously a bad idea though - the problem with banning poor ideas is trusting people to know which ideas are poor.
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    Moses_ said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    What a silly article - the nub is whether MPs and persons holding office within the parties hold these views.

    It's also a question of whether it is institutionally tolerated. I don't believe it is in the Tory Party
    Yes. It is inconceivable that any senior Tory would behave the way Ken did today. It is also pretty inconceivable that a Tory MP would do what Shah did.

    The reason the Left is in a bind is because this discourse is privately tolerated, even encouraged in Lefty circles - the anti-Zio crap at universities, the Jew-hating stuff from British-Islamic Labourites, and it's been tolerated so long they've forgotten how awful it looks to outsiders.

    Hence perhaps Naz Shah's "shock" at what she herself said. Perhaps she was speaking the truth. It's only when she stepped back and took a good hard look at herself that she realised she was being actively racist.
    It's tolerated because they are lefties. They say and do things that anyone else could never ever get away with and would make then front page news as well as BBC news at 6 and if a Tory then News at 10, BBC website entry ( 7 days minimum) and an additional Newsnight special. Personally I call it hypocrisy but still.
    It's tolerated because lefties (and the broadcast media) believe that all lefties are morally pure of mind because they are politically correct and right on.... As judged by the domination of the broadcast media by the guardianista class.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    MTimT said:

    Patrick said:

    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    MrsB said:

    Moses_ said:

    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......

    I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
    Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.

    As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
    :lol:
    If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
    What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....

    I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
    RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
    Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?

    I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
    Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge-class_battleship
    "Revenge Class Battleship" :D

    They don't make 'em like they used to.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. T, to be fair, they were probably jealous that the Conservatives stole their limelight with the blue civil war and wanted to have their own.
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    justin124 said:

    This is from Michael Crick –

    TORY EXPENSES: Elect Comm asks CPS & police forces to consider applying for 12-month extension to 12 month time limit on RPA prosecutions

    Interesting. Can they do that?

    They can via the courts. The deadline runs out next week.

    Which means there's only a few more days left of the BBC's election coverage on the iplayer.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    SeanT said:

    Indigo said:
    It's just disastrous for Labour. Full on civil war. The left is going crazy on Twitter.

    Thing is they are half right, there clearly is a Blairite attempt to destabilise Corbyn. e.g. John Mann was obviously hamming it up for the cameras, today.
    True enough - just a question of if it is justifiable, which given the topic it is, but clearly significant numbers will disagree. Tory civil war and a stonking great win in London for Khan notwithstanding, things are still not well in the heart of Labour.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,925
    Alistair said:

    LondonBob said:
    Here's Rasmussen's 2012 presidential polling

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/election_2012

    Every single "toss up" state with a Romeny lead won by 5% or more by Obama.
    No incumbency effect for the DEMs this time.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Moses_ said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    Michael Crowley of "Politico" looks at @LondonBob and the Kremlin's candidate for POTUS .... you'll never guess .... :smiley:

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-russia-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833

    Putin probably wants Hillary since he had access to her e-mail traffic for several years.
    Ah .... that cunning KGB man Putin .... :smile:
    Just returned from the Isle of Wight (abroad) and on the ferry there was a lady wearing dark glasses and a scarf hidden behind a paper called "Russia ???" something or other with the face of Gorbachov on its front page.

    I think there could be Russian sleepers in Cowes.

    Beware !
    It's what they do when they ain't sleeping that's the problem ;)
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    MTimT said:

    Patrick said:

    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    MrsB said:

    Moses_ said:

    If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.

    Think that just about covers all the angles.......

    I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
    Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.

    As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
    :lol:
    If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
    What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....

    I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
    RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
    Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?

    I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
    Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge-class_battleship
    "Resistance is useless"
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Moses_ said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    Michael Crowley of "Politico" looks at @LondonBob and the Kremlin's candidate for POTUS .... you'll never guess .... :smiley:

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-russia-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833

    Putin probably wants Hillary since he had access to her e-mail traffic for several years.
    Ah .... that cunning KGB man Putin .... :smile:
    Just returned from the Isle of Wight (abroad) and on the ferry there was a lady wearing dark glasses and a scarf hidden behind a paper called "Russia ???" something or other with the face of Gorbachov on its front page.

    I think there could be Russian sleepers in Cowes.

    Beware !
    Damn! I want to do the Island Line some time this summer!
    Finally !! I have actually been on a British train line you haven't. *high 5 selfie*
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