Presumably Margaret "Nexhmije" Hodge is a Hoxhaist; it would be ironic if she were to be the one to oust the Maoist / Trotskyist / Whateverist (insert whatever convenient random lefty label here) Jeremy Corbyn.
A senior Labour politician - the party's fiercest critic of tax avoidance - has been accused of hypocrisy after it was claimed she was handed more than £1.5million in shares from a tax haven.
Margaret Hodge has built a reputation for taking on those accused of having 'secretive' offshore funds as the chairman of the Commons public accounts committee.
But The Times reported the multi-millionaire had benefited from a controversial scheme that lets wealthy Britons move undeclared assets back to the UK without facing criminal action.
'I think there's a lot to be done to build a positive agenda people will support. We need to develop a vision of democratic socialism in the 21st century. We still haven't really found the language in which to put it across.
I haven't felt so uncomfortable about British politics since 1984 when Thatcher was running riot and some very unpleasant people were riding on her coat tails. The Bennite/Foot Labour Party was equally unattractive and similarly infiltrated by people with an agenda that was both alien and unpleasant.
One of the sayings I find most often comes true is that 'the dawn follows the darkest night'. In this case though it's in reverse. For the first time for years we had a reasonably benign Tory Party and a Labour Party in transition. Completely unelectable but at least they were being forced to rebuild......
And then in a couple of weeks the Tories self immolated and Labour at their weakest have had the scaffolding pulled from under them by some dark forces as yet unknown..........
And then in a couple of weeks the Tories self immolated and Labour at their weakest have had the scaffolding pulled from under them by some dark forces as yet unknown..........
Do you seriously think Ken Livingstone is a Tory mole?
Morning. So, 48 hours before the polling stations open and the antisemitism row is finally relegated to second story on the news after Leicester this morning - well done to Ranieri's men!
The Margaret Hodge story is very interesting, do the Labour MPs actually have the guts to follow through with it though?
And then in a couple of weeks the Tories self immolated and Labour at their weakest have had the scaffolding pulled from under them by some dark forces as yet unknown..........
Do you seriously think Ken Livingstone is a Tory mole?
Of course not. I wasn't suggesting the dark forces were Tory ones. Ken is the architect of his own downfall. A totally destructive force which he was long before he decided to promote the virtues of Hitler
And then in a couple of weeks the Tories self immolated and Labour at their weakest have had the scaffolding pulled from under them by some dark forces as yet unknown..........
Do you seriously think Ken Livingstone is a Tory mole?
And then in a couple of weeks the Tories self immolated and Labour at their weakest have had the scaffolding pulled from under them by some dark forces as yet unknown..........
Do you seriously think Ken Livingstone is a Tory mole?
Morning. So, 48 hours before the polling stations open and the antisemitism row is finally relegated to second story on the news after Leicester this morning - well done to Ranieri's men!
The Margaret Hodge story is very interesting, do the Labour MPs actually have the guts to follow through with it though?
Suppose they do -- what happens next? Who is the charismatic and possibly Blairite successor to lead Labour to victory in 2020?
And then in a couple of weeks the Tories self immolated and Labour at their weakest have had the scaffolding pulled from under them by some dark forces as yet unknown..........
Do you seriously think Ken Livingstone is a Tory mole?
I think he suggesting Ken works for Mossad
I think you might enjoy this Oscar nominated Israeii documentary from a couple of years ago. It's outstanding.
A senior Labour politician - the party's fiercest critic of tax avoidance - has been accused of hypocrisy after it was claimed she was handed more than £1.5million in shares from a tax haven.
Margaret Hodge has built a reputation for taking on those accused of having 'secretive' offshore funds as the chairman of the Commons public accounts committee.
But The Times reported the multi-millionaire had benefited from a controversial scheme that lets wealthy Britons move undeclared assets back to the UK without facing criminal action.
Hodge did face down the BNP in her area, and was the first Labourite to say they'd an issue because they'd ignored problems with immigration/called supporters racists. She got a lot of brownie points for that in my eyes http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8667345.stm
Shazia Awan's defection looks like it has been long-fused for maximum damage. Unfortunately, since the length of that fuse has been set, her accusation about Zac and the warm home of her new Party with its shiny principles of inclusivity look frankly ridiculous after Labour's exposure as suppurating with anti-semitism...
Morning. So, 48 hours before the polling stations open and the antisemitism row is finally relegated to second story on the news after Leicester this morning - well done to Ranieri's men!
The Margaret Hodge story is very interesting, do the Labour MPs actually have the guts to follow through with it though?
I'd be surprised. Do the rules still require the open nominations of a third of the PLP to challenge a sitting leader? They did when Brown was in office but (1) I don't know whether that only applied to leaders who were in office, and (2) Labour's changed its rules since then anyway and I don't know if that provision was retained.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
Re the Labour plotters - how do they cope with the quite likely scenario where Jeremy is reelected?
Therein lies the problem. You could argue that 'sending a message' is a legitimate aim but what message would it send if Corbyn wins? This isn't like Thatcher vs Meyer, when all Meyer votes were clearly proxies for anti-Thatcher (not least because of the Tory system; genuine contenders could enter at a later stage if needs be, unlike with Labour), and the aim was mainly to send a shot across her bows anyway.
If Corbyn were to win again, the centre would find it very difficult to mount a second challenge later in the parliament: Labour would have seen Corbyn in action and endorsed him. A second challenge would also likely take place at the time of parliamentary re/selections.
Which is why Hodge isn't an adequate challenger. If someone is to go up against Corbyn, it has to be a heavyweight; someone who could do the job and is capable of looking prime ministerial. Put simply, someone who the membership can see is clearly a better bet for 2020. They need to persuade Yvette.
The attacks on the Labour leader are not a “smear”, as Diane Abbott suggests, because this is part of a wider political and cultural problem. Labour defines itself as the party that stands up for the vulnerable, but there is a hierarchy of victimhood on the hard left. Instead of championing equality across the board, the ideologues categorise oppression into deserving and undeserving causes. Jews are the “wrong sort of victim” rather as British Rail used to blame late-running trains on the “wrong type of snow”. As one moderate Labour MP says: “It is antisemitic because in their view of the world they can never see Jewish people fitting into their category of victim.”
Politics is about balancing competing interests, not deciding between deserving and undeserving causes. But there is a self-righteousness among the Corbynistas that makes them blind to their own prejudices. “They have an incredibly powerful sense of their own virtue,” says one moderate MP. “That gives them licence to be nasty to people. They tell themselves ‘you are a good person so if you say this it must be all right’. There is an almost religious belief that they alone are virtuous.”
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
I am sorry but I do not understand how will it backfire on the Jewish Community as a whole
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
Surely her track record of controversial positions on child sex abuse, tax affairs and £20 million fortune, plus her advanced age, would be more of an issue?
I agree with Mr Herdson that under Labour's rules they need someone big to stand. The problem is with Cooper and Miliband discredited, Burnham useless, Benn loathed by the membership and Johnson on the backbenches saying how much he likes it there, they don't have anyone.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
SO posted an interesting poll yesterday which said that only 4% of Labour voters might be prejudiced against a Jewish leader. That compared with 18% for UKIP and somewhere around 8% for Conservatives. I doubt very much that a Jewish leader will make a scrap of difference. I suspect if it had been a Gypsy leader the Tory numbers would be hitting the high 50's
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
SO posted an interesting poll yesterday which said that only 4% of Labour voters might be prejudiced against a Jewish leader. That compared with 18% for UKIP and somewhere around 8% for Conservatives. I doubt very much that a Jewish leader will make a scrap of difference. I suspect if it had been a Gypsy leader the Tory numbers would be hitting the high 50's
Both main parties have had Jewish leaders in the recent past, of course.
Khan has said it is all about turnout and in a low turnout election that is true. If the donut votes as heavily as it did for Boris then his massive advantage in Inner London just might be outweighed. Personally I doubt it. Zac will just not get people to bother in the same numbers, he is dependent on them being disgusted by Labour's performance in the last few days.
In Scotland too the battle for second is about turnout. Labour supporters are deeply demotivated and depressed after a campaign that might generously be called lacklustre. Labour ruled Scotland for decades on the cry of "Keep the Tories out". They have still not found a response to the SNP or even a basis to get their supporters to turn out in an SNP world.
In contrast Ruth has got the Scottish tories feeling good about themselves and on the up. It is a somewhat bewildering experience for a Scottish Tory but not an unpleasant one. The tories are still very much a minority interest, my daughter's friends at Edinburgh were not really sure they existed until they met her, but as with the referendum they will vote their weight and then some.
Will it be enough? I have the same level of belief and disbelief as a Leicester supporter at the beginning of February. Yes its possible but really? FWIW I tentatively predict that the Scottish Tories will be closer to Labour than Zac is to Khan.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
So let me get this right - the Jews in Labour should just STFU so as not to give any credence to Labour being anti-semitic?
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
SO posted an interesting poll yesterday which said that only 4% of Labour voters might be prejudiced against a Jewish leader. That compared with 18% for UKIP and somewhere around 8% for Conservatives. I doubt very much that a Jewish leader will make a scrap of difference. I suspect if it had been a Gypsy leader the Tory numbers would be hitting the high 50's
Both main parties have had Jewish leaders in the recent past, of course.
Thatcher had a number of prominent Jews in her cabinets - Lawson, Joseph, Brittan all spring to mind - I don't recall it being a problem for many people, although I was quite young then
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
I am sorry but I do not understand how will it backfire on the Jewish Community as a whole
They will get the blame and it will be held against them long-term, just like the behaviour of Judeo-Bolshevists did in the defeated Central Powers in 1918-9. It is best for Jews if they stay out of controversial areas of public life, such as politics and big business.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
Surely her track record of controversial positions on child sex abuse, tax affairs and £20 million fortune, plus her advanced age, would be more of an issue?
I agree with Mr Herdson that under Labour's rules they need someone big to stand. The problem is with Cooper and Miliband discredited, Burnham useless, Benn loathed by the membership and Johnson on the backbenches saying how much he likes it there, they don't have anyone.
If it is a challenge, then it has to be a viable one. We know Harriet can do the job from her times as acting leader. Time to stand as the real one.
As one of the signatories of the US Declaration of independence said "We must all hang together, or surely we will all hang seperately". Moderate Labour cannot survive several more years of Jezza and Ken.
Re the Labour plotters - how do they cope with the quite likely scenario where Jeremy is reelected?
Therein lies the problem. You could argue that 'sending a message' is a legitimate aim but what message would it send if Corbyn wins? This isn't like Thatcher vs Meyer, when all Meyer votes were clearly proxies for anti-Thatcher (not least because of the Tory system; genuine contenders could enter at a later stage if needs be, unlike with Labour), and the aim was mainly to send a shot across her bows anyway.
If Corbyn were to win again, the centre would find it very difficult to mount a second challenge later in the parliament: Labour would have seen Corbyn in action and endorsed him. A second challenge would also likely take place at the time of parliamentary re/selections.
Which is why Hodge isn't an adequate challenger. If someone is to go up against Corbyn, it has to be a heavyweight; someone who could do the job and is capable of looking prime ministerial. Put simply, someone who the membership can see is clearly a better bet for 2020. They need to persuade Yvette.
They need to persuade Chukka, who is not tainted with defeat. But not yet I think.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
So let me get this right - the Jews in Labour should just STFU so as not to give any credence to Labour being anti-semitic?
Yes, so as not to get the blame, not for the reason you have stated.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
I am sorry but I do not understand how will it backfire on the Jewish Community as a whole
They will get the blame and it will be held against them long-term, just like the behaviour of Judeo-Bolshevists did in the defeated Central Powers in 1918-9. It is best for Jews if they stay out of controversial areas of public life, such as politics and big business.
I suspect you're a spoof? A pity because your first post was heading in an interesting direction
I saw something else yesterday from Remain saying it wouldn't be £4300, but something like £1800. Now we could be seeing misspeaking or a change in strategy. Either way - it's most peculiar after the Dresden style doom bombing by StrongerIn so far.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
So let me get this right - the Jews in Labour should just STFU so as not to give any credence to Labour being anti-semitic?
Yes, so as not to get the blame, not for the reason you have stated.
You are Ken Livingstones bastard son and I claim my £5
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
I am sorry but I do not understand how will it backfire on the Jewish Community as a whole
Yesterday this poster suggested the Jews should shut up and preferably move somewhere else...
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
So let me get this right - the Jews in Labour should just STFU so as not to give any credence to Labour being anti-semitic?
Plenty of Jewish members of the Labour Party have come out publicly denouncing the "anti-semitic crisis" as nonsense. Yes there are racist people in the party - as there are in every party - and we have rules to police their behaviour.
What's extraordinary is that in a weekend where the Tory candidate in London publishes an article saying that a vote for Khan is a vote for terrorism - complete with a photo of the Russel Square bus - the talk is about racism in Labour and not the Tories. Goldsmith's campaign is outright incitement to racial hatred and he knows it. And you lot know it.
Remove the plank from thine own eye before talking about the speck in mine.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
So let me get this right - the Jews in Labour should just STFU so as not to give any credence to Labour being anti-semitic?
Yes, so as not to get the blame, not for the reason you have stated.
You are Ken Livingstones bastard son and I claim my £5
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
SO posted an interesting poll yesterday which said that only 4% of Labour voters might be prejudiced against a Jewish leader. That compared with 18% for UKIP and somewhere around 8% for Conservatives. I doubt very much that a Jewish leader will make a scrap of difference. I suspect if it had been a Gypsy leader the Tory numbers would be hitting the high 50's
Both main parties have had Jewish leaders in the recent past, of course.
Thatcher had a number of prominent Jews in her cabinets - Lawson, Joseph, Brittan all spring to mind - I don't recall it being a problem for many people, although I was quite young then
Yes it was - it was (somewhat inaccurately) labelled as a cabinet of old Estonians rather than Etonians (unlike the current bunch of toffs), although most of the Jews in Thatcher's cabinet actually originated from the historic Duchy of Lithuania, which included present day Belarus. Estonia was never part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and subsequent Pale of Settlement.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
SO posted an interesting poll yesterday which said that only 4% of Labour voters might be prejudiced against a Jewish leader. That compared with 18% for UKIP and somewhere around 8% for Conservatives. I doubt very much that a Jewish leader will make a scrap of difference. I suspect if it had been a Gypsy leader the Tory numbers would be hitting the high 50's
Both main parties have had Jewish leaders in the recent past, of course.
Yes - and Labour showed its true colours with these attacks on Michael Howard:
"Labour yesterday withdrew two election posters depicting Michael Howard as a "Fagin" figure and a flying pig after MPs and Jewish groups said they left the party open to charges of anti-Semitism."
Labour? Open to charges of anti-semitism? Heaven forbid!
This is so exciting Jack - even more than the final 30 minutes at Turf Moor last night
Congratulations to Burnley on promotion. Been there done that. Who knows what the future might hold for next season!
5000/1 would put even a certain bet for Obama in the shade!
My bet on Leicester was a little late. I only got a pound ew at 3000/1 ;-)
Bravo! Well done to you and Leicester. A very interesting side. i watched them play a full match for the first time against United. Slightly short on skill but tenacious and brave like you rarely see in the premier league these days
There is a big area of white after the block of red. Would be rather effective to see that poster defaced to read
Elections are about taking sides. Labour is on yours. If your name is Adolf Hitler...
The notion of explicitly *taking sides* is so playground. The whole For Us, Or Against Us we see far too often from the far-Left. Nothing about what Labour will actually do for you.
I am not sure Jews fit the left wing idea of a minority anyway. They are white, have generally integrated into British society, and are as affluent as society in general. While they have a different religion, many wear it lightly and some are secular. Their status as Western Europe's scapegoats and general whipping boys up to 1945 can be ignored by those with little respect for history. I wouldn't be surprised if some left-wing activists see them as no more than an hereditary, affluent clique who can be hated, rather like Tories.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
SO posted an interesting poll yesterday which said that only 4% of Labour voters might be prejudiced against a Jewish leader. That compared with 18% for UKIP and somewhere around 8% for Conservatives. I doubt very much that a Jewish leader will make a scrap of difference. I suspect if it had been a Gypsy leader the Tory numbers would be hitting the high 50's
Both main parties have had Jewish leaders in the recent past, of course.
Thatcher had a number of prominent Jews in her cabinets - Lawson, Joseph, Brittan all spring to mind - I don't recall it being a problem for many people, although I was quite young then
Yes it was - it was (somewhat inaccurately) labelled as a cabinet of old Estonians rather than Etonians (unlike the current bunch of toffs),
Not in any circle I frequented it wasn't. Nor in the media. Your views are genuinely repulsive. I have not read the like for some time.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
So let me get this right - the Jews in Labour should just STFU so as not to give any credence to Labour being anti-semitic?
Yes, so as not to get the blame, not for the reason you have stated.
How very convenient. Perhaps whilst being silent, they could hide away in a Ghetto, so as to attract minimum notice?
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
So let me get this right - the Jews in Labour should just STFU so as not to give any credence to Labour being anti-semitic?
Plenty of Jewish members of the Labour Party have come out publicly denouncing the "anti-semitic crisis" as nonsense. Yes there are racist people in the party - as there are in every party - and we have rules to police their behaviour.
What's extraordinary is that in a weekend where the Tory candidate in London publishes an article saying that a vote for Khan is a vote for terrorism - complete with a photo of the Russel Square bus - the talk is about racism in Labour and not the Tories. Goldsmith's campaign is outright incitement to racial hatred and he knows it. And you lot know it.
Remove the plank from thine own eye before talking about the speck in mine.
The plank is in the eye of those who refuse to see the company Khan has kept...
Re the Labour plotters - how do they cope with the quite likely scenario where Jeremy is reelected?
Therein lies the problem. You could argue that 'sending a message' is a legitimate aim but what message would it send if Corbyn wins? This isn't like Thatcher vs Meyer, when all Meyer votes were clearly proxies for anti-Thatcher (not least because of the Tory system; genuine contenders could enter at a later stage if needs be, unlike with Labour), and the aim was mainly to send a shot across her bows anyway.
If Corbyn were to win again, the centre would find it very difficult to mount a second challenge later in the parliament: Labour would have seen Corbyn in action and endorsed him. A second challenge would also likely take place at the time of parliamentary re/selections.
Which is why Hodge isn't an adequate challenger. If someone is to go up against Corbyn, it has to be a heavyweight; someone who could do the job and is capable of looking prime ministerial. Put simply, someone who the membership can see is clearly a better bet for 2020. They need to persuade Yvette.
They need to persuade Chukka, who is not tainted with defeat. But not yet I think.
Oh noes! He's such an empty suit. Far too metrosexual. Whenever I see him on TV, I find him so shallow and rather elitist. There must be someone better than him. And he's already dumped his leadership ambitions once before. Who'd come out for him without worrying he'd do it again?
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
SO posted an interesting poll yesterday which said that only 4% of Labour voters might be prejudiced against a Jewish leader. That compared with 18% for UKIP and somewhere around 8% for Conservatives. I doubt very much that a Jewish leader will make a scrap of difference. I suspect if it had been a Gypsy leader the Tory numbers would be hitting the high 50's
Both main parties have had Jewish leaders in the recent past, of course.
Thatcher had a number of prominent Jews in her cabinets - Lawson, Joseph, Brittan all spring to mind - I don't recall it being a problem for many people, although I was quite young then
I think that's right. We judge by competence not by religion. Where I would have a problem would be a minister seeking to impose his/her religious principles through there position. An easy example would be a catholic health minister seeking to impose controls on abortion. No doubt there are others.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
I am sorry but I do not understand how will it backfire on the Jewish Community as a whole
They will get the blame and it will be held against them long-term, just like the behaviour of Judeo-Bolshevists did in the defeated Central Powers in 1918-9. It is best for Jews if they stay out of controversial areas of public life, such as politics and big business.
I read the last sentence twice bleary eyed at this hour as I am. Then I read it a third time slowly and yes my first reaction was right - WTF?! If you substitute "Welsh" for "Jews" ( I could pick many others!) that would be ok in your world would it?
Re the Labour plotters - how do they cope with the quite likely scenario where Jeremy is reelected?
Therein lies the problem. You could argue that 'sending a message' is a legitimate aim but what message would it send if Corbyn wins? This isn't like Thatcher vs Meyer, when all Meyer votes were clearly proxies for anti-Thatcher (not least because of the Tory system; genuine contenders could enter at a later stage if needs be, unlike with Labour), and the aim was mainly to send a shot across her bows anyway.
If Corbyn were to win again, the centre would find it very difficult to mount a second challenge later in the parliament: Labour would have seen Corbyn in action and endorsed him. A second challenge would also likely take place at the time of parliamentary re/selections.
Which is why Hodge isn't an adequate challenger. If someone is to go up against Corbyn, it has to be a heavyweight; someone who could do the job and is capable of looking prime ministerial. Put simply, someone who the membership can see is clearly a better bet for 2020. They need to persuade Yvette.
They need to persuade Chukka, who is not tainted with defeat. But not yet I think.
Oh noes! He's such an empty suit. Far too metrosexual. Whenever I see him on TV, I find him so shallow and rather elitist. There must be someone better than him. And he's already dumped his leadership ambitions once before. Who'd come out for him without worrying he'd do it again?
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is King... (are we still allowed to say this or is it discrimination against disabilities? It is so confusing these days.) Who else? Saint Andy? Again?
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
SO posted an interesting poll yesterday which said that only 4% of Labour voters might be prejudiced against a Jewish leader. That compared with 18% for UKIP and somewhere around 8% for Conservatives. I doubt very much that a Jewish leader will make a scrap of difference. I suspect if it had been a Gypsy leader the Tory numbers would be hitting the high 50's
Both main parties have had Jewish leaders in the recent past, of course.
Thatcher had a number of prominent Jews in her cabinets - Lawson, Joseph, Brittan all spring to mind - I don't recall it being a problem for many people, although I was quite young then
Yes it was - it was (somewhat inaccurately) labelled as a cabinet of old Estonians rather than Etonians (unlike the current bunch of toffs), although most of the Jews in Thatcher's cabinet actually originated from the historic Duchy of Lithuania, which included present day Belarus. Estonia was never part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and subsequent Pale of Settlement.
People noticed it, to be sure, but I don't think they had a problem with it. In any case your are wrong about Estonia, Courland and parts of Livonia were for some time part of the Commonwealth although Estonia's influences were more German/Danish/Swedish/Russian
I am not sure Jews fit the left wing idea of a minority anyway. They are white, have generally integrated into British society, and are as affluent as society in general. While they have a different religion, many wear it lightly and some are secular. Their status as Western Europe's scapegoats and general whipping boys up to 1945 can be ignored by those with little respect for history. I wouldn't be surprised if some left-wing activists see them as no more than an hereditary, affluent clique who can be hated, rather like Tories.
And add that general *like Tories* wink wink to the deep dislike many Muslims have for Jews - it's a toxic mix.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
I am sorry but I do not understand how will it backfire on the Jewish Community as a whole
They will get the blame and it will be held against them long-term, just like the behaviour of Judeo-Bolshevists did in the defeated Central Powers in 1918-9. It is best for Jews if they stay out of controversial areas of public life, such as politics and big business.
I read the last sentence twice bleary eyed at this hour as I am. Then I read it a third time slowly and yes my first reaction was right - WTF?! If you substitute "Welsh" for "Jews" ( I could pick many others!) that would be ok in your world would it?
I'm thinking it would be better if daodoa avoided such subjects. If only for his/her own sake...
Re the Labour plotters - how do they cope with the quite likely scenario where Jeremy is reelected?
Therein lies the problem. You could argue that 'sending a message' is a legitimate aim but what message would it send if Corbyn wins? This isn't like Thatcher vs Meyer, when all Meyer votes were clearly proxies for anti-Thatcher (not least because of the Tory system; genuine contenders could enter at a later stage if needs be, unlike with Labour), and the aim was mainly to send a shot across her bows anyway.
If Corbyn were to win again, the centre would find it very difficult to mount a second challenge later in the parliament: Labour would have seen Corbyn in action and endorsed him. A second challenge would also likely take place at the time of parliamentary re/selections.
Which is why Hodge isn't an adequate challenger. If someone is to go up against Corbyn, it has to be a heavyweight; someone who could do the job and is capable of looking prime ministerial. Put simply, someone who the membership can see is clearly a better bet for 2020. They need to persuade Yvette.
They need to persuade Chukka, who is not tainted with defeat. But not yet I think.
Oh noes! He's such an empty suit. Far too metrosexual. Whenever I see him on TV, I find him so shallow and rather elitist. There must be someone better than him. And he's already dumped his leadership ambitions once before. Who'd come out for him without worrying he'd do it again?
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is King... (are we still allowed to say this or is it discrimination against disabilities? It is so confusing these days.) Who else? Saint Andy? Again?
Somewhere is a moment in time when all of Andy Burnham's various takes on multiple opinions coalesce into a credible politician. If only he could find that moment and trap it in amber...
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
SO posted an interesting poll yesterday which said that only 4% of Labour voters might be prejudiced against a Jewish leader. That compared with 18% for UKIP and somewhere around 8% for Conservatives. I doubt very much that a Jewish leader will make a scrap of difference. I suspect if it had been a Gypsy leader the Tory numbers would be hitting the high 50's
Both main parties have had Jewish leaders in the recent past, of course.
Thatcher had a number of prominent Jews in her cabinets - Lawson, Joseph, Brittan all spring to mind - I don't recall it being a problem for many people, although I was quite young then
Yes it was - it was (somewhat inaccurately) labelled as a cabinet of old Estonians rather than Etonians (unlike the current bunch of toffs),
Not in any circle I frequented it wasn't. Nor in the media. Your views are genuinely repulsive. I have not read the like for some time.
Me neither. This whole revolting episode has been most revealing.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
SO posted an interesting poll yesterday which said that only 4% of Labour voters might be prejudiced against a Jewish leader. That compared with 18% for UKIP and somewhere around 8% for Conservatives. I doubt very much that a Jewish leader will make a scrap of difference. I suspect if it had been a Gypsy leader the Tory numbers would be hitting the high 50's
Both main parties have had Jewish leaders in the recent past, of course.
Thatcher had a number of prominent Jews in her cabinets - Lawson, Joseph, Brittan all spring to mind - I don't recall it being a problem for many people, although I was quite young then
Yes it was - it was (somewhat inaccurately) labelled as a cabinet of old Estonians rather than Etonians (unlike the current bunch of toffs), although most of the Jews in Thatcher's cabinet actually originated from the historic Duchy of Lithuania, which included present day Belarus. Estonia was never part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and subsequent Pale of Settlement.
People noticed it, to be sure, but I don't think they had a problem with it. In any case your are wrong about Estonia, Courland and parts of Livonia were for some time part of the Commonwealth although Estonia's influences were more German/Danish/Swedish/Russian
Courland and Livonia (Latgale) are now part of Latvia, not Estonia. There was a significant Jewish community in Dwinsk (Dunaberg/Daugavpils), the main city of Latgale.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
Is this:
1. A prediction?
2. A promise?
or
3. A threat?
Does the Labour Party have an Offer the Jews Can't Refuse?
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
I am sorry but I do not understand how will it backfire on the Jewish Community as a whole
They will get the blame and it will be held against them long-term, just like the behaviour of Judeo-Bolshevists did in the defeated Central Powers in 1918-9. It is best for Jews if they stay out of controversial areas of public life, such as politics and big business.
I read the last sentence twice bleary eyed at this hour as I am. Then I read it a third time slowly and yes my first reaction was right - WTF?! If you substitute "Welsh" for "Jews" ( I could pick many others!) that would be ok in your world would it?
Why did Kinnock lose in 1992? Why were the posters of Ed M in Salmond's shirt pocket so effective last year?
Re the Labour plotters - how do they cope with the quite likely scenario where Jeremy is reelected?
Therein lies the problem. You could argue that 'sending a message' is a legitimate aim but what message would it send if Corbyn wins? This isn't like Thatcher vs Meyer, when all Meyer votes were clearly proxies for anti-Thatcher (not least because of the Tory system; genuine contenders could enter at a later stage if needs be, unlike with Labour), and the aim was mainly to send a shot across her bows anyway.
If Corbyn were to win again, the centre would find it very difficult to mount a second challenge later in the parliament: Labour would have seen Corbyn in action and endorsed him. A second challenge would also likely take place at the time of parliamentary re/selections.
Which is why Hodge isn't an adequate challenger. If someone is to go up against Corbyn, it has to be a heavyweight; someone who could do the job and is capable of looking prime ministerial. Put simply, someone who the membership can see is clearly a better bet for 2020. They need to persuade Yvette.
They need to persuade Chukka, who is not tainted with defeat. But not yet I think.
Oh noes! He's such an empty suit. Far too metrosexual. Whenever I see him on TV, I find him so shallow and rather elitist. There must be someone better than him. And he's already dumped his leadership ambitions once before. Who'd come out for him without worrying he'd do it again?
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is King... (are we still allowed to say this or is it discrimination against disabilities? It is so confusing these days.) Who else? Saint Andy? Again?
Somewhere is a moment in time when all of Andy Burnham's various takes on multiple opinions coalesce into a credible politician. If only he could find that moment and trap it in amber...
In fairness he did with the Hillsborough Inquiry and I give him a lot of respect for that. But he has struggled to achieve that focus anywhere else.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
SO posted an interesting poll yesterday which said that only 4% of Labour voters might be prejudiced against a Jewish leader. That compared with 18% for UKIP and somewhere around 8% for Conservatives. I doubt very much that a Jewish leader will make a scrap of difference. I suspect if it had been a Gypsy leader the Tory numbers would be hitting the high 50's
Both main parties have had Jewish leaders in the recent past, of course.
Thatcher had a number of prominent Jews in her cabinets - Lawson, Joseph, Brittan all spring to mind - I don't recall it being a problem for many people, although I was quite young then
Yes it was - it was (somewhat inaccurately) labelled as a cabinet of old Estonians rather than Etonians (unlike the current bunch of toffs),
Not in any circle I frequented it wasn't. Nor in the media. Your views are genuinely repulsive. I have not read the like for some time.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
I am sorry but I do not understand how will it backfire on the Jewish Community as a whole
They will get the blame and it will be held against them long-term, just like the behaviour of Judeo-Bolshevists did in the defeated Central Powers in 1918-9. It is best for Jews if they stay out of controversial areas of public life, such as politics and big business.
I read the last sentence twice bleary eyed at this hour as I am. Then I read it a third time slowly and yes my first reaction was right - WTF?! If you substitute "Welsh" for "Jews" ( I could pick many others!) that would be ok in your world would it?
Why did Kinnock lose in 1992? Why were the posters of Ed M in Salmond's shirt pocket so effective last year?
Are you suggesting that Howard lost because he was Welsh? Or Home because he was Scottish?
And then in a couple of weeks the Tories self immolated and Labour at their weakest have had the scaffolding pulled from under them by some dark forces as yet unknown..........
Do you seriously think Ken Livingstone is a Tory mole?
Of course not. I wasn't suggesting the dark forces were Tory ones. Ken is the architect of his own downfall. A totally destructive force which he was long before he decided to promote the virtues of Hitler
The virtues of early Hitler. Don't forget he went a bit mad later on.
off topic - one thing that continues to please me about modern, PL football, and I appreciate that there is still work to be done on the terraces, is the sheer, natural inclusiveness and colourblindness of black, brown, white, asian footballers.
Looking at any goal celebration, and in particular the Leicester players celebrating at Jamie Vardy's in Melton, one has to be encouraged.
I am not sure Jews fit the left wing idea of a minority anyway. They are white, have generally integrated into British society, and are as affluent as society in general. While they have a different religion, many wear it lightly and some are secular. Their status as Western Europe's scapegoats and general whipping boys up to 1945 can be ignored by those with little respect for history. I wouldn't be surprised if some left-wing activists see them as no more than an hereditary, affluent clique who can be hated, rather like Tories.
In some circles, it's not considered to be racism or sexism if the people you're prejudiced against are more powerful than you are (it's called "punching up"). Since Jews tend to be well-off and influential, people who think like this would not consider prejudice against them to be a form of racism.
Re the Labour plotters - how do they cope with the quite likely scenario where Jeremy is reelected?
Therein lies the problem. You could argue that 'sending a message' is a legitimate aim but what message would it send if Corbyn wins? This isn't like Thatcher vs Meyer, when all Meyer votes were clearly proxies for anti-Thatcher (not least because of the Tory system; genuine contenders could enter at a later stage if needs be, unlike with Labour), and the aim was mainly to send a shot across her bows anyway.
If Corbyn were to win again, the centre would find it very difficult to mount a second challenge later in the parliament: Labour would have seen Corbyn in action and endorsed him. A second challenge would also likely take place at the time of parliamentary re/selections.
Which is why Hodge isn't an adequate challenger. If someone is to go up against Corbyn, it has to be a heavyweight; someone who could do the job and is capable of looking prime ministerial. Put simply, someone who the membership can see is clearly a better bet for 2020. They need to persuade Yvette.
They need to persuade Chukka, who is not tainted with defeat. But not yet I think.
Oh noes! He's such an empty suit. Far too metrosexual. Whenever I see him on TV, I find him so shallow and rather elitist. There must be someone better than him. And he's already dumped his leadership ambitions once before. Who'd come out for him without worrying he'd do it again?
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is King... (are we still allowed to say this or is it discrimination against disabilities? It is so confusing these days.) Who else? Saint Andy? Again?
Somewhere is a moment in time when all of Andy Burnham's various takes on multiple opinions coalesce into a credible politician. If only he could find that moment and trap it in amber...
Or a Cruz-Kasich style fictional candidate where supporters with nothing in common vote in a new leader?
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
I am sorry but I do not understand how will it backfire on the Jewish Community as a whole
They will get the blame and it will be held against them long-term, just like the behaviour of Judeo-Bolshevists did in the defeated Central Powers in 1918-9. It is best for Jews if they stay out of controversial areas of public life, such as politics and big business.
I read the last sentence twice bleary eyed at this hour as I am. Then I read it a third time slowly and yes my first reaction was right - WTF?! If you substitute "Welsh" for "Jews" ( I could pick many others!) that would be ok in your world would it?
Why did Kinnock lose in 1992? Why were the posters of Ed M in Salmond's shirt pocket so effective last year?
Are you suggesting that Howard lost because he was Welsh? Or Home because he was Scottish?
Daodoa. Hole. Digging. Stop. Please. This is starting to resemble Irving's infamous question the night he was well and truly Paxoed: 'You're not Jewish are you?'
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
I am sorry but I do not understand how will it backfire on the Jewish Community as a whole
They will get the blame and it will be held against them long-term, just like the behaviour of Judeo-Bolshevists did in the defeated Central Powers in 1918-9. It is best for Jews if they stay out of controversial areas of public life, such as politics and big business.
I read the last sentence twice bleary eyed at this hour as I am. Then I read it a third time slowly and yes my first reaction was right - WTF?! If you substitute "Welsh" for "Jews" ( I could pick many others!) that would be ok in your world would it?
Why did Kinnock lose in 1992? Why were the posters of Ed M in Salmond's shirt pocket so effective last year?
Are you suggesting that Howard lost because he was Welsh? Or Home because he was Scottish?
Since the Welsh Wizard (DLG), it has been a handicap for the main British political parties to have a non-English leader. Howard was perceived as Jewish, not Welsh. Surveys show that Sturgeon is once of the most disliked politicians in the UK as a whole, however highly regarded she is in Scotland.
Shazia Awan's defection looks like it has been long-fused for maximum damage. Unfortunately, since the length of that fuse has been set, her accusation about Zac and the warm home of her new Party with its shiny principles of inclusivity look frankly ridiculous after Labour's exposure as suppurating with anti-semitism...
Yes, doesn't this happen at almost every election now?
I am not sure Jews fit the left wing idea of a minority anyway. They are white, have generally integrated into British society, and are as affluent as society in general. While they have a different religion, many wear it lightly and some are secular. Their status as Western Europe's scapegoats and general whipping boys up to 1945 can be ignored by those with little respect for history. I wouldn't be surprised if some left-wing activists see them as no more than an hereditary, affluent clique who can be hated, rather like Tories.
And add that general *like Tories* wink wink to the deep dislike many Muslims have for Jews - it's a toxic mix.
I don't believe Muslims do have a deep dislike for Jews any more than Jews have a deep dislike for Muslims. Both see themselves as minorities and there has always been solidarity among minorites. It's just a guess but I'd be surprised if the labour party doesn't have more jewish members than all other parties put together. The Jews have always been champions of the oppressed. Witness apartheid South Africa.
I do hope that Hodge does not challenge Corbyn, as she is Jewish. It would merely add fuel to the general perception that Jews and Zionist sympathisers are currently trying to knife the Labour leadership and lead to an increase in anti-Semitism. However deplorable their views, the witch hunt against Labour representatives expressing anti-Semitic opinions will back-fire on the Jewish community as a whole, particularly if this brings down the Labour leadership. The malevolent Guido Fawkes is doing the Jews no favours.
I am sorry but I do not understand how will it backfire on the Jewish Community as a whole
They will get the blame and it will be held against them long-term, just like the behaviour of Judeo-Bolshevists did in the defeated Central Powers in 1918-9. It is best for Jews if they stay out of controversial areas of public life, such as politics and big business.
I read the last sentence twice bleary eyed at this hour as I am. Then I read it a third time slowly and yes my first reaction was right - WTF?! If you substitute "Welsh" for "Jews" ( I could pick many others!) that would be ok in your world would it?
Why did Kinnock lose in 1992? Why were the posters of Ed M in Salmond's shirt pocket so effective last year?
Are you suggesting that Howard lost because he was Welsh? Or Home because he was Scottish?
Since the Welsh Wizard (DLG), it has been a handicap for the main British political parties to have a non-English leader. Howard was perceived as Jewish, not Welsh. Surveys show that Sturgeon is once of the most disliked politicians in the UK as a whole, however highly regarded she is in Scotland.
Is it worth reminding you daodoa that Labour did far better under Blair in Wales than they did under Kinnock? Kinnock's problem was not his Welshness but his uselessness.
Blair was of course not English either. However unlike Sturgeon he had the sense not to make a fetish of his Scottishness or base it on anti-English feelings.
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A senior Labour politician - the party's fiercest critic of tax avoidance - has been accused of hypocrisy after it was claimed she was handed more than £1.5million in shares from a tax haven.
Margaret Hodge has built a reputation for taking on those accused of having 'secretive' offshore funds as the chairman of the Commons public accounts committee.
But The Times reported the multi-millionaire had benefited from a controversial scheme that lets wealthy Britons move undeclared assets back to the UK without facing criminal action.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3060029/Labour-s-Hodge-1-5m-shares-offshore-tax-haven-Senior-politician-accused-hypocrisy-following-earlier-fierce-criticism-tax-avoidance.html
'I think there's a lot to be done to build a positive agenda people will support. We need to develop a vision of democratic socialism in the 21st century. We still haven't really found the language in which to put it across.
June 1994......
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/interview-were-all-a-bit-more-loony-now-once-margaret-hodge-was-pilloried-for-left-wing-council-1420988.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7123260/Experts-warn-welfare-ministers-must-seize-control-of-universal-credit.html
So IDS's resignation was principled after all.
Trump 49 .. Cruz 25 .. Kasich 19
Clinton 51 .. Sanders 43
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One of the sayings I find most often comes true is that 'the dawn follows the darkest night'. In this case though it's in reverse. For the first time for years we had a reasonably benign Tory Party and a Labour Party in transition. Completely unelectable but at least they were being forced to rebuild......
And then in a couple of weeks the Tories self immolated and Labour at their weakest have had the scaffolding pulled from under them by some dark forces as yet unknown..........
The Margaret Hodge story is very interesting, do the Labour MPs actually have the guts to follow through with it though?
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/devolution/2016/04/tory-activist-shazia-awan-zac-goldsmith-s-damaging-exploitative-and-ugly
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2309788/
Agree its been extensively trailed so hardly is a 'bolt from the blue...'
If Corbyn were to win again, the centre would find it very difficult to mount a second challenge later in the parliament: Labour would have seen Corbyn in action and endorsed him. A second challenge would also likely take place at the time of parliamentary re/selections.
Which is why Hodge isn't an adequate challenger. If someone is to go up against Corbyn, it has to be a heavyweight; someone who could do the job and is capable of looking prime ministerial. Put simply, someone who the membership can see is clearly a better bet for 2020. They need to persuade Yvette.
Unless you are Jewish. Or wealthy. Or WWC.
"Brexit will cost up to 100,000 jobs"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/02/brexit-will-cost-100000-jobs-cabinet-minister-warns/
Elections are about taking sides.
Labour is on yours.
If your name is Adolf Hitler...
I agree with Mr Herdson that under Labour's rules they need someone big to stand. The problem is with Cooper and Miliband discredited, Burnham useless, Benn loathed by the membership and Johnson on the backbenches saying how much he likes it there, they don't have anyone.
In Scotland too the battle for second is about turnout. Labour supporters are deeply demotivated and depressed after a campaign that might generously be called lacklustre. Labour ruled Scotland for decades on the cry of "Keep the Tories out". They have still not found a response to the SNP or even a basis to get their supporters to turn out in an SNP world.
In contrast Ruth has got the Scottish tories feeling good about themselves and on the up. It is a somewhat bewildering experience for a Scottish Tory but not an unpleasant one. The tories are still very much a minority interest, my daughter's friends at Edinburgh were not really sure they existed until they met her, but as with the referendum they will vote their weight and then some.
Will it be enough? I have the same level of belief and disbelief as a Leicester supporter at the beginning of February. Yes its possible but really? FWIW I tentatively predict that the Scottish Tories will be closer to Labour than Zac is to Khan.
"I suspect if it had been a Gypsy leader the Tory numbers would be hitting the high 50's."
I'm sure if it was Tyson Fury, the Labour party would welcome him with open arms. No gypophobes in their party.
As one of the signatories of the US Declaration of independence said "We must all hang together, or surely we will all hang seperately". Moderate Labour cannot survive several more years of Jezza and Ken.
Margaret Hodge? – no baggage there then.
What's extraordinary is that in a weekend where the Tory candidate in London publishes an article saying that a vote for Khan is a vote for terrorism - complete with a photo of the Russel Square bus - the talk is about racism in Labour and not the Tories. Goldsmith's campaign is outright incitement to racial hatred and he knows it. And you lot know it.
Remove the plank from thine own eye before talking about the speck in mine.
"Labour yesterday withdrew two election posters depicting Michael Howard as a "Fagin" figure and a flying pig after MPs and Jewish groups said they left the party open to charges of anti-Semitism."
Labour? Open to charges of anti-semitism? Heaven forbid!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1482484/Labour-drops-flying-pig-and-Fagin-posters.html
1. A prediction?
2. A promise?
or
3. A threat?
Does the Labour Party have an Offer the Jews Can't Refuse?
Looking at any goal celebration, and in particular the Leicester players celebrating at Jamie Vardy's in Melton, one has to be encouraged.
Blair was of course not English either. However unlike Sturgeon he had the sense not to make a fetish of his Scottishness or base it on anti-English feelings.