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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Andy Burnham endorsing George Osborne's northern powerhouse strategy. Well well well.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Ivan Lewis and Tony Lldoy are also expected to run for Labour nomination for Manchester Mayor
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jessicaelgot: Is Andy Burnham, um, familiar with the historic relations between Manchester and Scousers?
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,449
    McDonnell spinning madly on Sky. Steady recovery over the next 4 years...
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,235
    Do you want to stay in pointless opposition for the next 9 years or do you want to actually do something?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,235
    Fantastic picture by the way. I can see why Mike is proud of it.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Might be worth keeping an eye on Bristol mayoral election. I hear Ferguson is seriously unpopular & labours candidate is a corbynite. Will they stick with red trousered bonker or will Corbyism sweep Bristol.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059

    Andy Burnham endorsing George Osborne's northern powerhouse strategy. Well well well.

    Snap... see my post on last thread!!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,317
    Great photo, Mike. Do the Smithson's become progressively more right-wing each generation?

    I'm not sure I can be bothered staying up for this, but enjoy everybody.

    G'night.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Twitter is suggesting low turnout in Scotland.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrTCHarris: McDonnell reckons if Labour gets fewer votes than the Tories tonight that means Labour's going to win in 2020. @SkyNews #winninghere
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    Scott_P said:

    @jessicaelgot: Is Andy Burnham, um, familiar with the historic relations between Manchester and Scousers?

    Is Jessica Elgot (whoever she is) aware that Burnham is MP for a Greater Manchester constituency ?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    Nice photo OGH!
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Scottish parish council coverage on BBC Parliament Sky 504 at 10.30 for those who want a laugh!
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065

    Andy Burnham endorsing George Osborne's northern powerhouse strategy. Well well well.

    Hardly a surprise - its a job creation scheme for Labour politicians.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Andy Burnham strikes me as a man who can support Liverpool, Man U and Man City at the same time.

    I'm sure the Prime Minister relates to that.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: John McDonnell talking a lot of sense there. If Labour does worse tonight than Ed Miliband, its clearly on course to win in 2020.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    I'm sorry Mike Smithson, as much as I love Lancashire, I am going to have to re-post my love of Italy from earlier in response to an attack on Italian cuisine (unthinkable)

    I'm sorry...Italian cuisine is sublime. The simplicity. Provided you stay out of a tourist trap and keep to local trattorias, it is literally impossible to eat or drink badly in Italy.

    For people who love food, wine, the weather, the landscape, the sea, mountains, the history...and the fact that Italians love the English. The hotels are great. The coffee. You can get to gigs in the summer for £20, and I mean top bands. The cakes, the grappa, the apperetivo....the fact that in summer everything comes to life. The sun, The walks. The quality of the hotels. The light...those wonderful Italian dusks and dawns. The sense of fun and happiness. And it's cheap.

    Or you could go somewhere else. Why?
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,331
    Brilliant picture!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    If Andy Burnham is the Labour candidate for Mayor of Manchester, I'll be speaking to Manchester Tories about putting my name forward to be the Tory candidate.

    I'm a working class Northener, outwith the Westminster bubble.

    Beat that Andy.

    Anyhoo. Liverpool!!!!!!
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Andy Burnham endorsing George Osborne's northern powerhouse strategy. Well well well.

    Hardly a surprise - its a job creation scheme for Labour politicians.
    Quite a clever Conservative idea to keep the capable ones out of harm's way.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    SeanT said:

    fpt for Francis U

    Yes, there's a truth in that. In some respects France has just been naturally overtaken by competitors, who learned from her pioneering supremacy, then applied her techniques with greater innovation or resources.

    The same happened to the English/British with all the sports we invented. People copied us at football, then, thanks to sheer weight of numbers, we eventually got outstripped - there were bound to be countries which could beat us at football.

    Yet the food in France, if I'm not mistaken, is a different case. It isn't just in relative decline (as is the case with the wine) - it's in absolute decline, actively getting a lot worse. Very odd. And rather sad.

    Was it ever that good ?

    Perhaps it only seemed good to you previously because you thought it should be.

    But now after your years of posh hotels and expensive restaurants its you who has changed ?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    I'm hearing of a shocking Labour performance in Sheffield.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Andy Burnham strikes me as a man who can support Liverpool, Man U and Man City at the same time.

    I'm sure the Prime Minister relates to that.

    Everton supporter. No one cares enough to hate them.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    I'm hearing of a shocking Labour performance in Sheffield.

    Who benefits?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065

    Andy Burnham endorsing George Osborne's northern powerhouse strategy. Well well well.

    Hardly a surprise - its a job creation scheme for Labour politicians.
    Quite a clever Conservative idea to keep the capable ones out of harm's way.
    I've rarely seen Burnham called capable before.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GwynneMP: Well I've arrived at Stockport Town Hall for the Count to find that LibDem Councillor Stuart Bodsworth defected to Labour at 10.01pm!
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Wonderful picture Mr Smithson. Looking forward to tonight immensely! Burnham lol. And hello @Ave it!
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059

    Andy Burnham endorsing George Osborne's northern powerhouse strategy. Well well well.

    Hardly a surprise - its a job creation scheme for Labour politicians.
    Quite a clever Conservative idea to keep the capable ones out of harm's way.
    Prezza stood for Hull.... I thought?
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    BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408
    Theo Usherwood on LBC saying that Goldsmith is "in a better position than the polls were suggesting". Not done and dusted apparently... higher suburban differential turn-out... but who knows?

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    chestnut said:

    I'm hearing of a shocking Labour performance in Sheffield.

    Who benefits?
    Lib Dems, Greens, and UKIP.

    Not us blue meanies.

    FYI - I'm talking about the councils, I've heard nothing about the by-election
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    The resemblance is striking Mike
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    I'm hearing of a shocking Labour performance in Sheffield.

    As posted on the previous thread , the Save A Tree Sacrifice A Labour Councillor campaign had a big impact in some areas of Sheffield
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    In Ogmore, voted at 2145. Turnout looked to be roughly about 30% and my polling booth covers from the look of their lists about 800 peeps from a more affluent part of the constituency...
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059

    Andy Burnham endorsing George Osborne's northern powerhouse strategy. Well well well.

    Hardly a surprise - its a job creation scheme for Labour politicians.
    Quite a clever Conservative idea to keep the capable ones out of harm's way.
    I've rarely seen Burnham called capable before.
    the theory of relativity - labour style.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ScottyNational: Early exit poll: Excluding those who hate Scotland, it is predicted the SNP got 100%.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065

    I'm hearing of a shocking Labour performance in Sheffield.

    Any particular reason ? And who is making the gains ?

    And why have the Sheffield wards been redrawn with such minimal changes ?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Blueberry said:

    Theo Usherwood on LBC saying that Goldsmith is "in a better position than the polls were suggesting". Not done and dusted apparently... higher suburban differential turn-out... but who knows?

    So losing rather than annhiliated.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    chestnut said:

    I'm hearing of a shocking Labour performance in Sheffield.

    Who benefits?
    Lib Dems, Greens, and UKIP.

    Not us blue meanies.

    FYI - I'm talking about the councils, I've heard nothing about the by-election
    ABC - Anyone but Corbyn.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,287
    Laura K: "Grim night for Labour"
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Bloody hell. You give them Foxes half an inch, and they think they can boss the world. Get a European trophy under your belt, and then we can talk....

    Andy Burnham strikes me as a man who can support Liverpool, Man U and Man City at the same time.

    I'm sure the Prime Minister relates to that.

    Everton supporter. No one cares enough to hate them.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,235
    tyson said:

    I'm sorry Mike Smithson, as much as I love Lancashire, I am going to have to re-post my love of Italy from earlier in response to an attack on Italian cuisine (unthinkable)

    I'm sorry...Italian cuisine is sublime. The simplicity. Provided you stay out of a tourist trap and keep to local trattorias, it is literally impossible to eat or drink badly in Italy.

    For people who love food, wine, the weather, the landscape, the sea, mountains, the history...and the fact that Italians love the English. The hotels are great. The coffee. You can get to gigs in the summer for £20, and I mean top bands. The cakes, the grappa, the apperetivo....the fact that in summer everything comes to life. The sun, The walks. The quality of the hotels. The light...those wonderful Italian dusks and dawns. The sense of fun and happiness. And it's cheap.

    Or you could go somewhere else. Why?

    Well (and I say this as a fan) the Italian holidays sold in this country are really not child friendly. Tends to be smaller hotels with minimal facilities and activities.

    But my son is going to Naples, Pompeii, Herculanium etc etc for a week next year and I am seriously jealous.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Scott_P said:

    @GwynneMP: Well I've arrived at Stockport Town Hall for the Count to find that LibDem Councillor Stuart Bodsworth defected to Labour at 10.01pm!

    That's really serious bad form.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    Is that a campaign poster in the middle complaining that turnips are "too big"?

    Titter..
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    MikeL said:

    Laura K: "Grim night for Labour"

    Clears throat....Corbyism sweeping the nation...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378

    I'm hearing of a shocking Labour performance in Sheffield.

    Any particular reason ? And who is making the gains ?

    And why have the Sheffield wards been redrawn with such minimal changes ?
    Low turnout, Corbyn not going down very well, local factors, Lib Dems throwing everything at it.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Alistair said:

    Twitter is suggesting low turnout in Scotland.

    It was already pretty low last time at 50%.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065

    Andy Burnham strikes me as a man who can support Liverpool, Man U and Man City at the same time.

    I'm sure the Prime Minister relates to that.

    That would be especially impressive as Burnham's an Everton fan.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Scott_P said:

    @GwynneMP: Well I've arrived at Stockport Town Hall for the Count to find that LibDem Councillor Stuart Bodsworth defected to Labour at 10.01pm!

    This really shouldn't be allowed.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    The French have better barbeque food. That's all you really need.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    tyson said:

    Bloody hell. You give them Foxes half an inch, and they think they can boss the world. Get a European trophy under your belt, and then we can talk....

    Andy Burnham strikes me as a man who can support Liverpool, Man U and Man City at the same time.

    I'm sure the Prime Minister relates to that.

    Everton supporter. No one cares enough to hate them.
    They need to get two to even buy into the poker game in the East Midlands....
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    MikeL said:

    Laura K: "Grim night for Labour"

    bugger - I need to go to bed but iplayer enjoyment of a grim night won't be as much fun as live... hmm...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962

    Scott_P said:

    @GwynneMP: Well I've arrived at Stockport Town Hall for the Count to find that LibDem Councillor Stuart Bodsworth defected to Labour at 10.01pm!

    This really shouldn't be allowed.
    Were they a candidate for election? If so that's pretty poor form.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    hunchman said:

    Wonderful picture Mr Smithson. Looking forward to tonight immensely! Burnham lol. And hello @Ave it!

    Hello hunchman! Hope you are well!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,986
    SeanT said:

    fpt for Francis U

    Yes, there's a truth in that. In some respects France has just been naturally overtaken by competitors, who learned from her pioneering supremacy, then applied her techniques with greater innovation or resources.

    The same happened to the English/British with all the sports we invented. People copied us at football, then, thanks to sheer weight of numbers, we eventually got outstripped - there were bound to be countries which could beat us at football.

    Yet the food in France, if I'm not mistaken, is a different case. It isn't just in relative decline (as is the case with the wine) - it's in absolute decline, actively getting a lot worse. Very odd. And rather sad.

    I have always found you can eat very well in most French towns with a higher quality of food at a reasonable price than most British cafes, though at the top Michelin starred end the French supremacy may be over. Generally they are friendly, especially if you at least attempt to speak the language. Italy is a great country too but France has Paris, the Mediterrenean climate in the south and lots of history and is the most visited country in the world for a reason
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Blueberry said:

    Theo Usherwood on LBC saying that Goldsmith is "in a better position than the polls were suggesting". Not done and dusted apparently... higher suburban differential turn-out... but who knows?

    So losing rather than annhiliated.
    Zac was winning among 55+, homeowners, ABs and whites in the polling published the other day. The 12 point margin seemed, gut instinct only, improbable to me.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378

    Andy Burnham strikes me as a man who can support Liverpool, Man U and Man City at the same time.

    I'm sure the Prime Minister relates to that.

    That would be especially impressive as Burnham's an Everton fan.
    Liverpool fans adore Andy Burnham
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Ave_it said:

    hunchman said:

    Wonderful picture Mr Smithson. Looking forward to tonight immensely! Burnham lol. And hello @Ave it!

    Hello hunchman! Hope you are well!
    Talking of long lost pb legends on the previous thread....
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,423
    Bloody Hell - Andy Burnham? (The City of) Manchester is currently run by some very capable Labour politicians, whose philosophy, for the last 30 years, has been to help the poorest by providing a climate for economic growth and job opportunities. Other Greater Manchester authorities have done similar jobs. Liverpool, meanwhile, had a policy of remaining poor enough to carry on qualifying for European objective 1 funding. Its politicians saw elected office as an opportunity to air a municipal grievance (exemplified by Council Leader Mike Storey, who, when car registrations were reordered around 2002, went on the telly to complain that it was 'insensitive' to use the letter M for Merseyside and Manchester, and that they should have used L instead.
    So surely we can get a decent candidate from Greater Manchester without having top revert to comedy Scouser Andy 'I like chips' Burnham? What about Richard Leese?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited May 2016
    @Mike Thanks for posting that photo. My great-grandfather was Mayor of Salisbury.

    You caused me to Google him for the first time. Found two press articles on him. Fascinating. Discovered that my great-great-grandmother's name was Emily!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2016
    BBC: Birmingham turnout = low 30s.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    I'm hearing of a shocking Labour performance in Sheffield.

    Any particular reason ? And who is making the gains ?

    And why have the Sheffield wards been redrawn with such minimal changes ?
    Low turnout, Corbyn not going down very well, local factors, Lib Dems throwing everything at it.
    Don't forget the trees
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    chestnut said:

    Blueberry said:

    Theo Usherwood on LBC saying that Goldsmith is "in a better position than the polls were suggesting". Not done and dusted apparently... higher suburban differential turn-out... but who knows?

    So losing rather than annhiliated.
    Zac was winning among 55+, homeowners, ABs and whites in the polling published the other day. The 12 point margin seemed, gut instinct only, improbable to me.
    But the Tories probably won all those demographics in the 2015 election, too - yet Labour won London overall by 9 points.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    Cookie said:

    Bloody Hell - Andy Burnham? (The City of) Manchester is currently run by some very capable Labour politicians, whose philosophy, for the last 30 years, has been to help the poorest by providing a climate for economic growth and job opportunities. Other Greater Manchester authorities have done similar jobs. Liverpool, meanwhile, had a policy of remaining poor enough to carry on qualifying for European objective 1 funding. Its politicians saw elected office as an opportunity to air a municipal grievance (exemplified by Council Leader Mike Storey, who, when car registrations were reordered around 2002, went on the telly to complain that it was 'insensitive' to use the letter M for Merseyside and Manchester, and that they should have used L instead.
    So surely we can get a decent candidate from Greater Manchester without having top revert to comedy Scouser Andy 'I like chips' Burnham? What about Richard Leese?

    Burnham is a Greater Manchester MP.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Danny565 said:

    chestnut said:

    Blueberry said:

    Theo Usherwood on LBC saying that Goldsmith is "in a better position than the polls were suggesting". Not done and dusted apparently... higher suburban differential turn-out... but who knows?

    So losing rather than annhiliated.
    Zac was winning among 55+, homeowners, ABs and whites in the polling published the other day. The 12 point margin seemed, gut instinct only, improbable to me.
    But the Tories probably won all those demographics in the 2015 election, too - yet Labour won London overall by 9 points.
    That was a General Election - 65+% turnout.

    The top number for a Mayoral election is a full twenty points lower.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378

    I'm hearing of a shocking Labour performance in Sheffield.

    Any particular reason ? And who is making the gains ?

    And why have the Sheffield wards been redrawn with such minimal changes ?
    Low turnout, Corbyn not going down very well, local factors, Lib Dems throwing everything at it.
    Don't forget the trees
    Yes, and I think it being an all out has messed up things.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @mrchrisaddison: I honestly cannot see the people of Manchester electing a Liverpudlian mayor. That's Southern talk, right there.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Yougov on the day poll for Wales

    Labour 27 seats, Plaid 12, Con 11, UKIP 8, Lib Dem 2.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,986
    Labour councillor 'Any working class person who votes Tory is a nob'
    http://www.conservativehome.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/FullSizeRender-2.jpg
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    I can see why you love that picture Mike. It's fascinating.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Good point. Italians hotels do not cater for children's activities.

    Italian children are so pampered by their Italian families that there is no business model to provide activities outside the stifling nature of their parental control.
    DavidL said:

    tyson said:

    I'm sorry Mike Smithson, as much as I love Lancashire, I am going to have to re-post my love of Italy from earlier in response to an attack on Italian cuisine (unthinkable)

    I'm sorry...Italian cuisine is sublime. The simplicity. Provided you stay out of a tourist trap and keep to local trattorias, it is literally impossible to eat or drink badly in Italy.

    For people who love food, wine, the weather, the landscape, the sea, mountains, the history...and the fact that Italians love the English. The hotels are great. The coffee. You can get to gigs in the summer for £20, and I mean top bands. The cakes, the grappa, the apperetivo....the fact that in summer everything comes to life. The sun, The walks. The quality of the hotels. The light...those wonderful Italian dusks and dawns. The sense of fun and happiness. And it's cheap.

    Or you could go somewhere else. Why?

    Well (and I say this as a fan) the Italian holidays sold in this country are really not child friendly. Tends to be smaller hotels with minimal facilities and activities.

    But my son is going to Naples, Pompeii, Herculanium etc etc for a week next year and I am seriously jealous.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Andy Burnham strikes me as a man who can support Liverpool, Man U and Man City at the same time.

    I'm sure the Prime Minister relates to that.

    That would be especially impressive as Burnham's an Everton fan.
    Liverpool fans adore Andy Burnham
    Congrats on your team tonight.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    I'm a Liverpool fan who has lived and worked in Manchester for close on five years.

    Trust me, they'll judge Andy Burnham on his merits.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,055

    I'm hearing of a shocking Labour performance in Sheffield.

    Has Clegg been a factor?
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Do you think RISE will finish ahead of LD in Scotland?! :lol:
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    fpt for Francis U

    Yes, there's a truth in that. In some respects France has just been naturally overtaken by competitors, who learned from her pioneering supremacy, then applied her techniques with greater innovation or resources.

    The same happened to the English/British with all the sports we invented. People copied us at football, then, thanks to sheer weight of numbers, we eventually got outstripped - there were bound to be countries which could beat us at football.

    Yet the food in France, if I'm not mistaken, is a different case. It isn't just in relative decline (as is the case with the wine) - it's in absolute decline, actively getting a lot worse. Very odd. And rather sad.

    Was it ever that good ?

    Perhaps it only seemed good to you previously because you thought it should be.

    But now after your years of posh hotels and expensive restaurants its you who has changed ?
    Yes, there's a truth in that too. I was more easily impressed before. And now I've eaten in the best places all around the world, and I do it regularly, so I expect higher standards.

    But "disgusting" restaurant food is something I rarely if encounter outside my memories of 70s Britain and my present forays into the Third World. Yet that is what I have encountered here in France. Michelin-starred restaurant food that is so over-fussy and misconceived, so badly planned and weirdly imbalanced, I just want to hurl the plate through the window, as I barf.

    I mean Properly Revolting. Fish with fruit and popcorn and nuts and.... eeeek. LE PUKE.
    That sounds like the sort of pretentious WTF menu Gordon Ramsay murders on Kitchen Nightmares. There are some true horrors on his show.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tamworth is usually one of the first councils to declare seats:

    https://twitter.com/TamworthCouncil
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378

    Andy Burnham strikes me as a man who can support Liverpool, Man U and Man City at the same time.

    I'm sure the Prime Minister relates to that.

    That would be especially impressive as Burnham's an Everton fan.
    Liverpool fans adore Andy Burnham
    Congrats on your team tonight.
    Ta
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    JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    SeanT said:

    tyson said:

    I'm sorry Mike Smithson, as much as I love Lancashire, I am going to have to re-post my love of Italy from earlier in response to an attack on Italian cuisine (unthinkable)

    I'm sorry...Italian cuisine is sublime. The simplicity. Provided you stay out of a tourist trap and keep to local trattorias, it is literally impossible to eat or drink badly in Italy.

    For people who love food, wine, the weather, the landscape, the sea, mountains, the history...and the fact that Italians love the English. The hotels are great. The coffee. You can get to gigs in the summer for £20, and I mean top bands. The cakes, the grappa, the apperetivo....the fact that in summer everything comes to life. The sun, The walks. The quality of the hotels. The light...those wonderful Italian dusks and dawns. The sense of fun and happiness. And it's cheap.

    Or you could go somewhere else. Why?

    Italy is now, unquestionably, a much more appealing destination in terms of food and wine, from top to bottom.

    France is still much better organised though, and the French have worked on their manners even as they've forgotten how to cook.

    Also Corsica. Corsica is what France used to be. Surly, grumpy, but fucking beautiful and impossibly seductive and blessed with tremendous home made food. The last redoubt of Frenchness is the half Italian isle of Le Corse. Discuss.

    Love Corsica. For once you are right about something Sean.
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    Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    edited May 2016
    Great pic Mike
    Edit: Good evening Ave It!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Sun & daily mail seem to think corbyn is going to get pummelled.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378

    I'm hearing of a shocking Labour performance in Sheffield.

    Has Clegg been a factor?
    Only insofar as there's been a lot of sympathy for Clegg and the Lib Dem after their mauling last year.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    edited May 2016
    Scott_P said:

    www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/05/05/0605-MATT-GALLERY-WEB-P1-large_trans++qVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.png

    Matt

    "Project Apathy" ... great name for an ale.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited May 2016
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,881
    Brilliant picture Mike!
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Looks like Labour are going to get creamed!

    Sadiq might be the only winner - and that's not nailed on!
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    BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408

    Blueberry said:

    Theo Usherwood on LBC saying that Goldsmith is "in a better position than the polls were suggesting". Not done and dusted apparently... higher suburban differential turn-out... but who knows?

    So losing rather than annhiliated.
    Probably I guess. But you never know. Usherwood was very cautious. Young, ambitious political editor with a reputation to lose. But stuck his neck out far enough to say it isn't over, so he'd look a bit silly if Khan romps home by what the polls are suggesting.

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    tyson said:

    Bloody hell. You give them Foxes half an inch, and they think they can boss the world. Get a European trophy under your belt, and then we can talk....

    Andy Burnham strikes me as a man who can support Liverpool, Man U and Man City at the same time.

    I'm sure the Prime Minister relates to that.

    Everton supporter. No one cares enough to hate them.
    They need to get two to even buy into the poker game in the East Midlands....
    Call for @morris dancer

    I cannot remember that far back into history.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Ave_it said:

    Do you think RISE will finish ahead of LD in Scotland?! :lol:

    They'll have finished counting all the rise ballots by now.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    edited May 2016
    AndyJS said:

    Tamworth is usually one of the first councils to declare seats:

    https://twitter.com/TamworthCouncil

    Likely to be three or four Con gains from Labour there ?
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Did the Sun endorse anyone in the Mayoral race BTW?
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Danny565 said:
    I'll say it again - Wow Ukip if the YouGov poll is right.
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    PlankPlank Posts: 71
    I have had some terrible food in France. That is all.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    What a great photo!
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited May 2016
    Cookie said:

    Bloody Hell - Andy Burnham? (The City of) Manchester is currently run by some very capable Labour politicians, whose philosophy, for the last 30 years, has been to help the poorest by providing a climate for economic growth and job opportunities. Other Greater Manchester authorities have done similar jobs. Liverpool, meanwhile, had a policy of remaining poor enough to carry on qualifying for European objective 1 funding. Its politicians saw elected office as an opportunity to air a municipal grievance (exemplified by Council Leader Mike Storey, who, when car registrations were reordered around 2002, went on the telly to complain that it was 'insensitive' to use the letter M for Merseyside and Manchester, and that they should have used L instead.
    So surely we can get a decent candidate from Greater Manchester without having top revert to comedy Scouser Andy 'I like chips' Burnham? What about Richard Leese?

    Burnham is MP for Leigh in GM, though to be fair it is halfway to Liverpool...

    Yes, certain local Labour politicians (not the MPs) are very good and quite anti-tribal, however there is little incentive for them to run for Mayor. The GMCA managed to wangle a very good deal in return for getting the elected mayor, the position is much more subservient to them (the local councils) than London's.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2016
    Daily record guy on sky thinks labour done really badly in Scotland. Says the antisemitism stuff gone down really badly in parts of Scotland.
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