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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Four of the last pollsters to report have LEAVE doing better

Polling analysis where you have plenty of surveys is all about direction of travel and there’s a very clear message from the latest referendum surveys – it’s getting tighter and LEAVE’s position is improving.

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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited June 2016
    Squeaky bum time. Get the WD40.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896
    edited June 2016
    This is going to be WAY closer than almost anyone could have predicted.

    The PM looked quite rattled outside Number 10.

    Why is Leave still 4.1 on Betfair?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,417
    Shadsy kinda pointed out Remain has the same implied probability now that Tory most seats did at 7am on May 7th 2015
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926

    Shadsy kinda pointed out Remain has the same implied probability now that Tory most seats did at 7am on May 7th 2015

    NOM was even shorter.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Sandpit said:

    This is going to be WAY closer than almost anyone could have predicted.

    The PM looked quite rattled outside Number 10.

    Why is Leave still 4.1 on Betfair?

    Because the money buyers like backing odds on.
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,417
    Pulpstar said:

    Shadsy kinda pointed out Remain has the same implied probability now that Tory most seats did at 7am on May 7th 2015

    NOM was even shorter.
    Stop taking those straws from me.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,328
    How many more of these ghastly nerve-shredding polls do we have left to come?
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    "I think the NOs have it....

    ...The NOs have it"
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    currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    I just had a £200 cash bet at my local Corals at 3/1 on leave. They just took the money, no phone call to head office. I haven't been in that shop for 2 years.
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    For a lot of us folk in non-marginal constituencies, this is one of those rare chances where your vote really counts.

    FPT, re Cameron's odd speech. Controversial claim: I reckon Cameron is a better - more "authentically" emotive - actor than Blair but a worse liar - looks less comfortable when expressing outright falsehoods. (If you didn't like Blair's super-slick smoothness, even his heartspoken truthful guff sounded suspiciously non-credible, but if you gave him a pass on that, he could segue flawlessly into equally earnest economy with l'actualité. With Cameron it is usually clearer when he thinks he is on dodgy territory.)
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,282

    Pulpstar said:

    Shadsy kinda pointed out Remain has the same implied probability now that Tory most seats did at 7am on May 7th 2015

    NOM was even shorter.
    Stop taking those straws from me.
    What was probability for Tory Maj?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,417
    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    Of course he does.

    His private pollster has been quite relaxed on Twitter in recent days.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    Why would private polling figures be different from the public ones - and if they were, which would you believe?
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Pulpstar said:

    Shadsy kinda pointed out Remain has the same implied probability now that Tory most seats did at 7am on May 7th 2015

    NOM was even shorter.
    Stop taking those straws from me.
    What was probability for Tory Maj?
    100%, as it turned out
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    This is going to be WAY closer than almost anyone could have predicted.

    The PM looked quite rattled outside Number 10.

    Why is Leave still 4.1 on Betfair?

    Because the money buyers like backing odds on.
    could it also be Leavers 'insuring' themselves? Ie betting against what they want to happen, making it a semi-win/win?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,282

    Pulpstar said:

    Shadsy kinda pointed out Remain has the same implied probability now that Tory most seats did at 7am on May 7th 2015

    NOM was even shorter.
    Stop taking those straws from me.
    What was probability for Tory Maj?
    100%, as it turned out
    I meant at 7am on May 7th 2015!
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    'The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling'

    Hhhmmm.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    OK welsh pbers, predictions on how your area will vote on Thursday and which area please. Do polls over/under estimate Welsh euroscepticism?
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    I must be dreaming... a positive thread for LEAVE.
    :smiley:
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,417

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    Why would private polling figures be different from the public ones - and if they were, which would you believe?
    ORB might do non-laughable polls for their private clients.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896
    Pulpstar said:

    Shadsy kinda pointed out Remain has the same implied probability now that Tory most seats did at 7am on May 7th 2015

    NOM was even shorter.
    Here we almost all piled on NOM at between 1/8'and 1/10 on the morning of 7th. as OGH said in the last Thread, after Nuneaton we all realised we might be wrong!

    At least with a referendum binary choice, most of us should be all green as the counting starts.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Pulpstar said:

    Shadsy kinda pointed out Remain has the same implied probability now that Tory most seats did at 7am on May 7th 2015

    NOM was even shorter.
    Stop taking those straws from me.
    What was probability for Tory Maj?
    100%, as it turned out
    I meant at 7am on May 7th 2015!
    Still 100%! But the betting had it about 7% IIRC.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    I must be dreaming... a positive thread for LEAVE.
    :smiley:

    No - it is reverse psychology - to get Remainers out!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,417
    Sean_F said:

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
    Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.

    The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    Why would private polling figures be different from the public ones - and if they were, which would you believe?
    I believe all of the polls taken at any one time are 100% accurate in portraying a snapshot at that particular time.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057
    If TSE is right, maybe the question to be asking is what this speech says about the future Tory leadership race.

    Cameron needs a thumping win to kill Boris's chances for good.
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    nunu said:

    OK welsh pbers, predictions on how your area will vote on Thursday and which area please. Do polls over/under estimate Welsh euroscepticism?

    Im ceredigion meant to be very eruophile BUT some 10 000 students will have left the area by voting day so it may be a bit closer but still big remain
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    What was Cameron's latest intervention all about? Can he really be that worried?

    There is nothing, literally nothing he can do now to convince me to vote tory again whilst he is leader, let alone vote remain.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,417
    Jason said:

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    Why would private polling figures be different from the public ones - and if they were, which would you believe?
    I believe all of the polls taken at any one time are 100% accurate in portraying a snapshot at that particular time.
    That depends on methodology. If that's faulty then they won't be.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,417
    Shocked by this. SHOCKED

    Former BNP Member Has Given £600,000 To Vote Leave

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/vote-leave-donor?utm_term=.hb2ZQWGRkR#.spwgLeBwlw
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215

    Sean_F said:

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
    Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.

    The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
    Or maybe the private pollster lucked in. The question ordering they used was basically an example of how you shouldn't word polling questions.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    Of course he does.

    His private pollster has been quite relaxed on Twitter in recent days.
    And the condemned man ate a hearty breakfast.....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    edited June 2016
    nunu said:

    OK welsh pbers, predictions on how your area will vote on Thursday and which area please. Do polls over/under estimate Welsh euroscepticism?

    My village Killamarsh, out. (60-40)
    North East Derbyshire, out. (55-45)
    Derbyshire, out (53-47)

    In summary out, out, out !
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,715
    Jason said:

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    Why would private polling figures be different from the public ones - and if they were, which would you believe?
    I believe all of the polls taken at any one time are 100% accurate in portraying a snapshot at that particular time.
    Yeah, right.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,046

    Sean_F said:

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
    Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.

    The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
    So why were the Tories only expecting 290-300? Were they lying to all the journos in their private briefings?
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    It might be a hangover from watching the England match of course.

    NB - re: marginal/ non marginals. The lowest seats for share of voting are well known to be Labour safe ones. If traditional Labour voters don't come out because the know the seat is safe, but DO come out on this because they know that every vote counts, then the CDE turnout could be substantially higher than for the election.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I can't help feeling that after being compared to Neville Chamberlain on BBC1 - plus all the other brickbats from rowdy voters, his confidence has been seriously bruised.

    He didn't come across as his smooth urbane self on breakfast telly and this snap press conf just confirms his emotional need to get in front of the cameras to make his case.

    I think it's a mistake. When your boss is upset, he's not thinking rationally - nor will it make him a good advocate. Far too much raw feeling on display - and when that's fear, we can all see it.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,216
    I think we have two viable scenarios:
    1. Private polls show that its Leave's to lose hence Dave making a Significant Announcement to beg for mercy
    2. Private polls show that Remain are a few points ahead hence Dave making a Significant Announcement to beg for more people to help save him. "Don't do it for me, do it for little Georgie Boy"
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    El_DaveEl_Dave Posts: 145
    If this is a 51% vs 49% result. Will the winner be clear by 6am, or will it drag on till friday afternoon?
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited June 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    nunu said:

    OK welsh pbers, predictions on how your area will vote on Thursday and which area please. Do polls over/under estimate Welsh euroscepticism?

    My village Killamarsh, out. (60-40)
    North East Derbyshire, out. (55-45)
    Derbyshire, out (53-47)

    In summary out, out, out !
    Oh thanx! Lol. It seems Wales has expanded by an area the size of Wales.
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Steve Hilton live on SKY News
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Steve Hilton on Sky now - again. He does come across as honest.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Shocked by this. SHOCKED

    Former BNP Member Has Given £600,000 To Vote Leave

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/vote-leave-donor?utm_term=.hb2ZQWGRkR#.spwgLeBwlw

    How much has the EU given to parties and organisations campaigning or trying to influence Remain? That's OUR money remember.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836

    Sean_F said:

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
    Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.

    The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
    I thought the Tories were expecting 300 or so.
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614

    Jason said:

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    Why would private polling figures be different from the public ones - and if they were, which would you believe?
    I believe all of the polls taken at any one time are 100% accurate in portraying a snapshot at that particular time.
    That depends on methodology. If that's faulty then they won't be.
    Well, it really depends on whether you believe polls are accurate predictors or not. Methodology, sample size, demographics, etc, etc, etc, it's all basically an educated guess.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057
    marke09 said:

    Steve Hilton live on SKY News

    He needs to boost his book sales because no-one will ever give him a job again.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,942
    Interesting that Cameron's speech hasn't even made the front page of the BBC news website. Surely if you are going to give a speech you want to give everyone enough warning that they actually report it?

    I honestly don't understand the thinking behind this.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    nunu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nunu said:

    OK welsh pbers, predictions on how your area will vote on Thursday and which area please. Do polls over/under estimate Welsh euroscepticism?

    My village Killamarsh, out. (60-40)
    North East Derbyshire, out. (55-45)
    Derbyshire, out (53-47)

    In summary out, out, out !
    Oh thanx! Lol.
    I expect Dore where Eagles lives in Sheffield to run up the score for "remain".
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    edited June 2016
    Is Cameron doing a last minute interview in the dead of night with Russell Brand?
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    pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    Stinks of panic.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,417

    Sean_F said:

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
    Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.

    The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
    So why were the Tories only expecting 290-300? Were they lying to all the journos in their private briefings?
    For most of the campaign they were expecting 310 ish seats. It was only in the last few weeks that the Lib Dems seats swung heavily to the Tories.

    Like many they were expecting the Lib Dem incumbency to kick in
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Hilton "It looks really weird, with panicky spin doctors wheeling him out"

    Yup.
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    I wonder what's on the Leave grid for tomorrow? I'm expecting both sides to pull some sort of rabbit out of their hats. Any gamechangers yet possible?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    @ThescreamingEagles Are there any "Remain" posters up near your manor ?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,985
    Patrick said:

    I wonder what's on the Leave grid for tomorrow? I'm expecting both sides to pull some sort of rabbit out of their hats. Any gamechangers yet possible?

    Donald Trump

    Which could either be act of brilliance. Or a terrible misfire. Hard to know for sure.
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    LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    To be fair to everyone, I think because we have never had a referendum like this before, that huge mistakes have been made on tactics by both sides. I put this down to the mad panic towards the end of the Scottish referendum, when they went to "Project Fear." They clearly thought wrongly (Remain) that as this proved successful, that they would resort to these tactics straight from the starting gun. Even if Remain win, these tactics will leave a really bitter legacy in the minds of the British people.

    I'm still a fan of the PM, even though he has pushed this to the absolute limit, he is still in my view a decent man. I really hope in his quieter moments, that he deeply regrets letting George Osborne set the agenda for this campaign. He really should have moved him straight after the GE but we are where we are. That punishment budget was just the last straw and deeply unedifying for a Chancellor, which after all is one of the Great Offices of State. Theresa May or Andrea Leadsom would be my choice, it would take the "machismo" out of the Treasury, which is sorely needed after Gordon Brown, Ed Balls and George Osborne.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Patrick said:

    I wonder what's on the Leave grid for tomorrow? I'm expecting both sides to pull some sort of rabbit out of their hats. Any gamechangers yet possible?

    Think the focus will stay on 3 million jobs vs 3 million immigrants.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited June 2016

    Interesting that Cameron's speech hasn't even made the front page of the BBC news website. Surely if you are going to give a speech you want to give everyone enough warning that they actually report it?

    I honestly don't understand the thinking behind this.

    I'll spell it out for you:

    D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-I-O-N
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    kjohnw said:

    Is Cameron doing a last minute interview in the dead of night with Russell Brand?

    No - with David Beckham.
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    El_DaveEl_Dave Posts: 145
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
    Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.

    The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
    I thought the Tories were expecting 300 or so.
    I think there was a lot of spin from Team Crosby after the result. > We're fab, hire us!

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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115
    So maybe the death of Jo Cox caused Leavers to pause, undecideds towards Remain. The polls picked that up. But then the wall-to-wall shroud-waving got to people - and a period of several days for rational thought with no campaigning perhaps returned people to where they had previously been inclining?

    The Commentariat thought Jo Fox would be good for Remain. The Commentariat have been continually wrong-footed by a campaign that should have been over weeks ago, according to them.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,985

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    Of course he does.

    His private pollster has been quite relaxed on Twitter in recent days.
    Do you think that's because he's got a new job lined up for after the referendum?
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Jason said:

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    Why would private polling figures be different from the public ones - and if they were, which would you believe?
    I believe all of the polls taken at any one time are 100% accurate in portraying a snapshot at that particular time.
    I don't suppose you remember Angus Reid?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,417
    Pulpstar said:

    @ThescreamingEagles Are there any "Remain" posters up near your manor ?

    Plenty. To be a leave supporter in Dore and Totley is like being a Spartan at Thermoplyae
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    Why would private polling figures be different from the public ones - and if they were, which would you believe?
    I always presumed that private polling majored on specific message content - and if it was cutting through.

    When VoteLeave gave Sky one of their own internal polls - it was obviously intended to show that they were talking common-ground and winning.

    The headline numbers should be the same - or perhaps a teeny bit more accurate dependent on larger samples/same pollster methodologies.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Patrick said:

    I wonder what's on the Leave grid for tomorrow? I'm expecting both sides to pull some sort of rabbit out of their hats. Any gamechangers yet possible?

    Think the focus will stay on 3 million jobs vs 3 million immigrants.
    Probably. But the 3 million jobs lie is a stinker.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,985

    My lectern my lectern, my kingdom for my lectern

    Euro Guido @EuroGuido
    Purdah rules couldn't be clearer: "Government property should not be used for campaigning" http://order-order.com/2016/06/21/purdah-he-smote/

    I thought he gave the speech outside number 10?

    Although I guess, technically, the street is government property.
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    tessyCtessyC Posts: 106
    nunu said:

    OK welsh pbers, predictions on how your area will vote on Thursday and which area please. Do polls over/under estimate Welsh euroscepticism?

    I live in Islwyn constituency part of Caerphilly County. High UKIP vote at Welsh Assembly election, lots of vote Leave posters, not seen any Remain. Think it will be a high leave vote here.

    However I commute to Cardiff, lots more Remain posters, but also a smattering of Leave. I'd say Cardiff goes remain, Newport goes Leave. Overall, I'd say the leavers in the Valleys are the more enthused about voting.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    Pulpstar said:

    @ThescreamingEagles Are there any "Remain" posters up near your manor ?

    Plenty. To be a leave supporter in Dore and Totley is like being a Spartan at Thermoplyae
    The Spartans lost the battle but won the war...
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,334
    FPT re Cameronm speech:
    I assume it's simply news grid control. A Final Statement From the Prime Minister is going to lead the headlines, regardless of content. Insures against the Remain team screwing up in the debate.

    We're a long way past that famous (and in my view rather wonderful) election eve exchange from 1945:

    Excited journalist: "Mr Attlee! Have you one final message to the British people before they go to vote tomorrow?"
    Attlee: "No."
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    El_DaveEl_Dave Posts: 145

    I think we have two viable scenarios:
    1. Private polls show that its Leave's to lose hence Dave making a Significant Announcement to beg for mercy
    2. Private polls show that Remain are a few points ahead hence Dave making a Significant Announcement to beg for more people to help save him. "Don't do it for me, do it for little Georgie Boy"

    Perhaps he's been told that the 1922 committee now have enough MPs letters to start a contest?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Shadsy kinda pointed out Remain has the same implied probability now that Tory most seats did at 7am on May 7th 2015

    NOM was even shorter.
    Here we almost all piled on NOM at between 1/8'and 1/10 on the morning of 7th. as OGH said in the last Thread, after Nuneaton we all realised we might be wrong!

    At least with a referendum binary choice, most of us should be all green as the counting starts.
    My favourite bit of early hours on the 8th was the reaction of other bettors piling onto rather good odds as others slept. I'm so glad my adrenaline kept me awake for almost 48hrs.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,282

    Pulpstar said:

    @ThescreamingEagles Are there any "Remain" posters up near your manor ?

    Plenty. To be a leave supporter in Dore and Totley is like being a Spartan at Thermoplyae
    TSE: Choose your next words carefully, Dr. Sunil. They may be your last as PB LEAVE Leader.

    Sunil: [to himself: thinking] "Earth and water"?
    [He unsheathes and points his sword at TSE's throat]

    TSE: Madman! You're a madman!

    Sunil: Earth and water? You'll find plenty of both down there.[referring to the well behind TSE]

    TSE: No man, LEAVER or REMAINER, no man threatens a lawyer!

    Sunil: You bring the ashes and ruins of conquered economies to our city steps. You insult my farmers and fishermen. You threaten the UK with slavery and EU diktats! Oh, I've chosen my words carefully, Traitor Pig-Dog Lawyer! Perhaps you should have done the same!

    TSE: This is blasphemy! This is madness!

    Sunil: Madness...? This is BREXIT!
    [He kicks poor TSE down the well]
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,964
    rcs1000 said:

    My lectern my lectern, my kingdom for my lectern

    Euro Guido @EuroGuido
    Purdah rules couldn't be clearer: "Government property should not be used for campaigning" http://order-order.com/2016/06/21/purdah-he-smote/

    I thought he gave the speech outside number 10?

    Although I guess, technically, the street is government property.
    Yes, I think that lectern will swing my vote.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115

    "Don't do it for me, do it for little Georgie Boy"

    "Win this one for the Gipper> Gimp"

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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    weejonnie said:

    Shocked by this. SHOCKED

    Former BNP Member Has Given £600,000 To Vote Leave

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/vote-leave-donor?utm_term=.hb2ZQWGRkR#.spwgLeBwlw

    How much has the EU given to parties and organisations campaigning or trying to influence Remain? That's OUR money remember.
    Guido did a whole series of articles on that little phenomenon not that long ago.

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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    tessyC said:

    nunu said:

    OK welsh pbers, predictions on how your area will vote on Thursday and which area please. Do polls over/under estimate Welsh euroscepticism?

    I live in Islwyn constituency part of Caerphilly County. High UKIP vote at Welsh Assembly election, lots of vote Leave posters, not seen any Remain. Think it will be a high leave vote here.

    However I commute to Cardiff, lots more Remain posters, but also a smattering of Leave. I'd say Cardiff goes remain, Newport goes Leave. Overall, I'd say the leavers in the Valleys are the more enthused about voting.
    Yup agree with all of that.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''The Commentariat thought Jo Fox would be good for Remain. The Commentariat have been continually wrong-footed by a campaign that should have been over weeks ago, according to them. ''

    Whisper it. What if the commentariat is wrong about 'the poster' ??
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    ConcanvasserConcanvasser Posts: 165
    Finished my last GOTV delivery for the day. My last road of 16 houses had two displaying Vote Leave posters.
    My feeling is that Leave will win this something like 53/47 and that the Conservative party is in very deep trouble.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    weejonnie said:

    Shocked by this. SHOCKED

    Former BNP Member Has Given £600,000 To Vote Leave

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/vote-leave-donor?utm_term=.hb2ZQWGRkR#.spwgLeBwlw

    How much has the EU given to parties and organisations campaigning or trying to influence Remain? That's OUR money remember.
    I don't know. Why don't you tell me.
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    rcs1000 said:

    My lectern my lectern, my kingdom for my lectern

    Euro Guido @EuroGuido
    Purdah rules couldn't be clearer: "Government property should not be used for campaigning" http://order-order.com/2016/06/21/purdah-he-smote/

    I thought he gave the speech outside number 10?

    Although I guess, technically, the street is government property.
    Its the lectern wot dun it.
    Seriously, was no government resources involved in planning the use and arrangements outside number 10? Frankly I could not give a damn, but someone is having a hissy fit type of panic.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    Sean_F said:

    Jason said:

    Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?

    The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
    Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.

    The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
    So why were the Tories only expecting 290-300? Were they lying to all the journos in their private briefings?
    For most of the campaign they were expecting 310 ish seats. It was only in the last few weeks that the Lib Dems seats swung heavily to the Tories.

    Like many they were expecting the Lib Dem incumbency to kick in
    They ended their campaign at Carlisle (a seat i got almost 4 to 1 on). They knew what was happening, and as good as 2010 was merely the benchmark...
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    John_N4John_N4 Posts: 553
    Cameron's speech has distracted from what General Michael Rose said on the World at One. Rose said he was backing Leave because he was concerned at prospects for an EU army.

    He said "the remorseless logic of a single state ultimately means that the British Army will be no more".

    The army, by the way, is something like 80-90% pro-Leave.

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    Finished my last GOTV delivery for the day. My last road of 16 houses had two displaying Vote Leave posters.
    My feeling is that Leave will win this something like 53/47 and that the Conservative party is in very deep trouble.

    The Conservative party is in far less trouble if we vote LEAVE.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896

    Finished my last GOTV delivery for the day. My last road of 16 houses had two displaying Vote Leave posters.
    My feeling is that Leave will win this something like 53/47 and that the Conservative party is in very deep trouble.

    The Conservative party will be in a lot more trouble if it's 53/47 to Remain.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,328

    FPT re Cameronm speech:
    I assume it's simply news grid control. A Final Statement From the Prime Minister is going to lead the headlines, regardless of content. Insures against the Remain team screwing up in the debate.

    We're a long way past that famous (and in my view rather wonderful) election eve exchange from 1945:

    Excited journalist: "Mr Attlee! Have you one final message to the British people before they go to vote tomorrow?"
    Attlee: "No."

    I love that quote!
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited June 2016

    "Don't do it for me, do it for little Georgie Boy"

    "Win this one for the Gipper> Gimp"
    :naughty:
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    FPT re Cameronm speech:
    I assume it's simply news grid control. A Final Statement From the Prime Minister is going to lead the headlines, regardless of content. Insures against the Remain team screwing up in the debate.

    We're a long way past that famous (and in my view rather wonderful) election eve exchange from 1945:

    Excited journalist: "Mr Attlee! Have you one final message to the British people before they go to vote tomorrow?"
    Attlee: "No."

    I love that quote!
    Ha! I'd not heard that before. Brilliant. Oh for quieter times :)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,964

    rcs1000 said:

    My lectern my lectern, my kingdom for my lectern

    Euro Guido @EuroGuido
    Purdah rules couldn't be clearer: "Government property should not be used for campaigning" http://order-order.com/2016/06/21/purdah-he-smote/

    I thought he gave the speech outside number 10?

    Although I guess, technically, the street is government property.
    Its the lectern wot dun it.
    Seriously, was no government resources involved in planning the use and arrangements outside number 10? Frankly I could not give a damn, but someone is having a hissy fit type of panic.
    Come to think of it, the No 10 office will probably just invoice the remain campaign for any costs involved.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    edited June 2016
    Anecdote: My brother "thinks" he's going to vote leave. Runs his own car mechanic business from a van that is white...
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115

    Finished my last GOTV delivery for the day. My last road of 16 houses had two displaying Vote Leave posters.
    My feeling is that Leave will win this something like 53/47 and that the Conservative party is in very deep trouble.

    The Conservative party is in far less trouble if we vote LEAVE.
    Yep
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    My lectern my lectern, my kingdom for my lectern

    Euro Guido @EuroGuido
    Purdah rules couldn't be clearer: "Government property should not be used for campaigning" http://order-order.com/2016/06/21/purdah-he-smote/

    I thought he gave the speech outside number 10?

    Although I guess, technically, the street is government property.
    Its the lectern wot dun it.
    Seriously, was no government resources involved in planning the use and arrangements outside number 10? Frankly I could not give a damn, but someone is having a hissy fit type of panic.
    Come to think of it, the No 10 office will probably just invoice the remain campaign for any costs involved.
    Only fair, therefore, that Boris gets to give a speech to camera on Downing Street.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115
    tlg86 said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    My lectern my lectern, my kingdom for my lectern

    Euro Guido @EuroGuido
    Purdah rules couldn't be clearer: "Government property should not be used for campaigning" http://order-order.com/2016/06/21/purdah-he-smote/

    I thought he gave the speech outside number 10?

    Although I guess, technically, the street is government property.
    Its the lectern wot dun it.
    Seriously, was no government resources involved in planning the use and arrangements outside number 10? Frankly I could not give a damn, but someone is having a hissy fit type of panic.
    Come to think of it, the No 10 office will probably just invoice the remain campaign for any costs involved.
    Only fair, therefore, that Boris gets to give a speech to camera on Downing Street.
    Give it a week....
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    Jobabob said:

    FPT re Cameronm speech:
    I assume it's simply news grid control. A Final Statement From the Prime Minister is going to lead the headlines, regardless of content. Insures against the Remain team screwing up in the debate.

    We're a long way past that famous (and in my view rather wonderful) election eve exchange from 1945:

    Excited journalist: "Mr Attlee! Have you one final message to the British people before they go to vote tomorrow?"
    Attlee: "No."

    I love that quote!
    Ha! I'd not heard that before. Brilliant. Oh for quieter times :)
    Is there a Pathe clip of that, or similar?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,964
    Pulpstar said:

    Anecdote: My brother "thinks" he's going to vote leave. Runs his own car mechanic business from a van that is white...

    In the words of Kinnock, he sounds "manifestly a man" too. A white van man....
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    edited June 2016

    Interesting that Cameron's speech hasn't even made the front page of the BBC news website. Surely if you are going to give a speech you want to give everyone enough warning that they actually report it?

    I honestly don't understand the thinking behind this.

    PM probably praying it's not N Ireland 1 Germany 0 later because that will be a chunk of news time and would be wall to wall in N Ireland. BBC Radio Wales news had at least 20 mins of Wales 3 Russia 0 this morning in a half hour slot and the talk in the office is of little else, other than will it be the Czechs or the Croats in the next round, (what referendum!). I have little doubt the local TV will be the same this evening. Good job England didn't have Peter Bonetti in goal last night like 1970.
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