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Voting packs start going out on Monday in Labour’s election in which Mr. Corbyn is attempting to hang onto his job in the face of a challenge from Owen Smith who was almost a total unknown a month ago.

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JosiasJessop

Thirst to surrender?

PClipp

Seemingly so.

PlatoSaid

1 United States 38 35 32 105

2 Great Britain 25 22 14 61

3 China 22 18 25 65

4 Germany 15 8 14 37

5 Russia 13 16 19 48

BannedInParis

Plato - Brian Jacks won his medal in 1972.

Not that I've been watching superstars today, not at all.

david_herdson

I cribbed the essence of a comment from Carlotta on the previous thread to for this tweet, which has since become my most liked / retweeted tweet ever. Seems to have struck a chord.

https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/766889452832567296

PlatoSaid

BannedInParis said:

Plato - Brian Jacks won his medal in 1972.

Not that I've been watching superstars today, not at all.

I Superstars.

What a brilliant show that was back then. Who can forget Supermac's stunningly fast sprinting over 100m or Keagan's awful ash track grazes. Even now I wince and haven't seen it in decades.

Old names - David Hemery... Mexico 1968!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzofxFyNuG4

TCPoliticalBetting

BBC's Rishi very understanding interview with the Womens K4. Great way of handling the minor dissappointment. They had only been together as a 4 for a year and have age on their side.

TCPoliticalBetting

david_herdson said:

I cribbed the essence of a comment from Carlotta on the previous thread to for this tweet, which has since become my most liked / retweeted tweet ever. Seems to have struck a chord.

https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/766889452832567296

Hits the nail on the head. But we do need to see the eastern EU countries invest in their own defence up to and above the 2% figure. NATO does need to consider some form of penalty - maybe a tax - on those who do not meet the minimum.

nunu

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37133037

alex.

To give a nod to the thread topic, a huge chunk of the "selectorate" didn't join to vote in the Labour Party leadership contest, in the sense of wanting to vote for the individual best suited to the job. They joined to vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

PlatoSaid

BannedInParis said:

Plato - Brian Jacks won his medal in 1972.

Not that I've been watching superstars today, not at all.

Saw a tweet earlier saying Nick Skelton is so old - he first competed in an Olympics before Trott was born...

He's my favourite Gold medallist so far. What an epic achievement by him and Big Star. A broken neck, retired and came back to win Individual Showjumping. He was part of TeamGB Showjumping team win in London too after decades of 12th/14th...

kle4

Corbyn's NATO comments alarm me, but you are right they won't be fatal. I said at the time, even outside the Labour selectorate plenty of people will agree, secretly or otherwise, that they actually don't care enough about, say, Estonia, to defend it should it be attacked, or even care enough about the consequences of letting Estonia fall, to defend it.

See how many will avoid answering by shifting to how it 'will never happen' and I would bet good money those people would agree about not meeting commitments on NATO.

PlatoSaid

kle4 said:

Corbyn's NATO comments alarm me, but you are right they won't be fatal. I said at the time, even outside the Labour selectorate plenty of people will agree, secretly or otherwise, that they actually don't care enough about, say, Estonia, to defend it should it be attacked, or even care enough about the consequences of letting Estonia fall, to defend it.

Nice bit from BBC Archives here

#OTD 1991 A Soviet coup d'état was staged twenty-five years ago
https://t.co/0J4yZeivMi

david_herdson

PlatoSaid said:

BannedInParis said:

Plato - Brian Jacks won his medal in 1972.

Not that I've been watching superstars today, not at all.

Saw a tweet earlier saying Nick Skelton is so old - he first competed in an Olympics before Trott was born...

He's my favourite Gold medallist so far. What an epic achievement by him and Big Star. A broken neck, retired and came back to win Individual Showjumping. He was part of TeamGB Showjumping team win in London too after decades of 12th/14th...

And then had a wobbly bottom lip on the podium as the anthem played. The emotions that must have gone through him at that point: extraordinary.

kle4

PlatoSaid said:

kle4 said:

Corbyn's NATO comments alarm me, but you are right they won't be fatal. I said at the time, even outside the Labour selectorate plenty of people will agree, secretly or otherwise, that they actually don't care enough about, say, Estonia, to defend it should it be attacked, or even care enough about the consequences of letting Estonia fall, to defend it.

Nice bit from BBC Archives here

#OTD 1991 A Soviet coup d'état was staged twenty-five years ago
https://t.co/0J4yZeivMi

Fascinting period. Random wiki fact, the Supreme Soviet at its peak apparently had over 2000 members.

Moses_

Has the reason for disqualification of the relay team been made known? If we did something then fine not a problem we are out under "thems the rules" No argument done and sorted. However, the longer it is unclear or a formal statement and clarification of what the transgression was has not been made the more suspicious I become. It probably was a proper DQ but they do no favours by not formally clarifying.

Either way it would be churlish of me not to offer formal congratulations to the much slower and home team Brazil for sneaking securing a place in the final as a result of the Team GB disqualification.

foxinsoxuk

kle4 said:

Corbyn's NATO comments alarm me, but you are right they won't be fatal. I said at the time, even outside the Labour selectorate plenty of people will agree, secretly or otherwise, that they actually don't care enough about, say, Estonia, to defend it should it be attacked, or even care enough about the consequences of letting Estonia fall, to defend it.

See how many will avoid answering by shifting to how it 'will never happen' and I would bet good money those people would agree about not meeting commitments on NATO.

The pro's and con's of backing Estonia or Turkey in a scrap with a non-NATO state is one thing, but is there anyone anywhere that Corbyn would defend? I get the feeling that if IS were marching up Islington High St with captives hooded in chains that he would greet them with tea and sympathy.

CarlottaVance

david_herdson said:

I cribbed the essence of a comment from Carlotta on the previous thread to for this tweet, which has since become my most liked / retweeted tweet ever. Seems to have struck a chord.

https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/766889452832567296

Thanks for the hat tip! ;-)

JackW

Louis Nelson of "Politico" reports on Trump's prediction that he will win 95% of the black vote in his 2020 re-election campaign.

In other news Jeremy Corbyn looks to extend his electoral map into Witney and Orkney & Shetland ....

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-african-american-vote-227218

CarlottaVance

kle4 said:

See how many will avoid answering by shifting to how it 'will never happen' .

In contrast to Prime Minister May's one word, three letter answer to whether she'd use Trident.....

alex.

kle4 said:

Corbyn's NATO comments alarm me, but you are right they won't be fatal. I said at the time, even outside the Labour selectorate plenty of people will agree, secretly or otherwise, that they actually don't care enough about, say, Estonia, to defend it should it be attacked, or even care enough about the consequences of letting Estonia fall, to defend it.

See how many will avoid answering by shifting to how it 'will never happen' and I would bet good money those people would agree about not meeting commitments on NATO.

Possibly Smith has missed a trick by limiting the discussion to "would Corbyn defend the Baltics". I suspect that he could get him to equivocate about countries a lot closer to home if given the chance. The man is basically a pacifist, and because he finds it impossible to not answer questions honestly it probably would not be difficult to get him to say a lot worse. Given the chance he would probably admit to wanting to cut military expenditure to defending the Channel/Uk Border.

kle4

foxinsoxuk said:

kle4 said:

Corbyn's NATO comments alarm me, but you are right they won't be fatal. I said at the time, even outside the Labour selectorate plenty of people will agree, secretly or otherwise, that they actually don't care enough about, say, Estonia, to defend it should it be attacked, or even care enough about the consequences of letting Estonia fall, to defend it.

See how many will avoid answering by shifting to how it 'will never happen' and I would bet good money those people would agree about not meeting commitments on NATO.

The pro's and con's of backing Estonia or Turkey in a scrap with a non-NATO state is one thing, but is there anyone anywhere that Corbyn would defend? I get the feeling that if IS were marching up Islington High St with captives hooded in chains that he would greet them with tea and sympathy.

Leaving aside the 'IS in Islington' scenario for a moment, no I don't know that there is anywhere Corbyn would defend, but again I think a lot more people than we would like think that way. War is bad, therefore any military action is bad and makes things worse, no matter the circumstance is how large numbers of people feel. I expect only the Nazi example would be seen as justified. There are theoretical situations they might, but the conditions are such they would never come to pass.

JackW

kle4 said:

Fascinting period. Random wiki fact, the Supreme Soviet at its peak apparently had over 2000 members.

Tsk .... Nothing compared to Jezza's Labour Party ...

DavidL

alex. said:

kle4 said:

Corbyn's NATO comments alarm me, but you are right they won't be fatal. I said at the time, even outside the Labour selectorate plenty of people will agree, secretly or otherwise, that they actually don't care enough about, say, Estonia, to defend it should it be attacked, or even care enough about the consequences of letting Estonia fall, to defend it.

See how many will avoid answering by shifting to how it 'will never happen' and I would bet good money those people would agree about not meeting commitments on NATO.

Possibly Smith has missed a trick by limiting the discussion to "would Corbyn defend the Baltics". I suspect that he could get him to equivocate about countries a lot closer to home if given the chance. The man is basically a pacifist, and because he finds it impossible to not answer questions honestly it probably would not be difficult to get him to say a lot worse. Given the chance he would probably admit to wanting to cut military expenditure to defending the Channel/Uk Border.

He is not a pacifist but a man who thinks we should live in a world without wars or violence. Or a simpleton as they are sometimes known.

Moses_

CarlottaVance said:

kle4 said:

See how many will avoid answering by shifting to how it 'will never happen' .

In contrast to Prime Minister May's one word, three letter answer to whether she'd use Trident.....

May would have been absolute ledgend had she stood up and used two words

" fuck yeah!"

philiph

alex. said:

kle4 said:

Corbyn's NATO comments alarm me, but you are right they won't be fatal. I said at the time, even outside the Labour selectorate plenty of people will agree, secretly or otherwise, that they actually don't care enough about, say, Estonia, to defend it should it be attacked, or even care enough about the consequences of letting Estonia fall, to defend it.

See how many will avoid answering by shifting to how it 'will never happen' and I would bet good money those people would agree about not meeting commitments on NATO.

Possibly Smith has missed a trick by limiting the discussion to "would Corbyn defend the Baltics". I suspect that he could get him to equivocate about countries a lot closer to home if given the chance. The man is basically a pacifist, and because he finds it impossible to not answer questions honestly it probably would not be difficult to get him to say a lot worse. Given the chance he would probably admit to wanting to cut military expenditure to defending the Channel/Uk Border.

It is not always a matter of wanting to answer honestly. It is that his answers have to fit his ideology. As that is obviously (in his eyes) incontrovertibly right.

An ideological answer is one that is set and requires no honesty, thought or intellect, just a belief. A bit like religion really.

kle4

Moses_ said:

CarlottaVance said:

kle4 said:

See how many will avoid answering by shifting to how it 'will never happen' .

In contrast to Prime Minister May's one word, three letter answer to whether she'd use Trident.....

May would have been absolute ledgend had she stood up and used two words

" fuck yeah!"

A little enthusiastic perhaps, not to mention using unparliamentary language. I recall an Irish TD getting reprimanded for such talk once.

PlatoSaid

Interesting quote from UK Sport lady on telly - 70k volunteer days given by London2012 team members to encourage/share expertise.

another_richard

PlatoSaid said:

BannedInParis said:

Plato - Brian Jacks won his medal in 1972.

Not that I've been watching superstars today, not at all.

I Superstars.

What a brilliant show that was back then. Who can forget Supermac's stunningly fast sprinting over 100m or Keagan's awful ash track grazes. Even now I wince and haven't seen it in decades.

Old names - David Hemery... Mexico 1968!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzofxFyNuG4

David Coleman - "who cares who's third - it doesn't matter"

maybe not to Coleman but it was a Bronze Medal for GB's John Sherwood.

vik

The new kinder & gentler Trump has 0.6% lead in LA Times poll.

http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/

alex.

philiph said:

alex. said:

kle4 said:

Corbyn's NATO comments alarm me, but you are right they won't be fatal. I said at the time, even outside the Labour selectorate plenty of people will agree, secretly or otherwise, that they actually don't care enough about, say, Estonia, to defend it should it be attacked, or even care enough about the consequences of letting Estonia fall, to defend it.

See how many will avoid answering by shifting to how it 'will never happen' and I would bet good money those people would agree about not meeting commitments on NATO.

Possibly Smith has missed a trick by limiting the discussion to "would Corbyn defend the Baltics". I suspect that he could get him to equivocate about countries a lot closer to home if given the chance. The man is basically a pacifist, and because he finds it impossible to not answer questions honestly it probably would not be difficult to get him to say a lot worse. Given the chance he would probably admit to wanting to cut military expenditure to defending the Channel/Uk Border.

It is not always a matter of wanting to answer honestly. It is that his answers have to fit his ideology. As that is obviously (in his eyes) incontrovertibly right.

An ideological answer is one that is set and requires no honesty, thought or intellect, just a belief. A bit like religion really.

Call it what you want, the point is that he won't tailor his message because it won't go down well with the electorate. It is one reason why the Tories would have an absolute field day during a GE campaign.

Sunil_Prasannan

MIKE SMITHSON = TORY!

SimonStClare

BBC - Rio 2016: GB’s Heath wins 25th Gold.

Can’t remember that event being highlighted on here as a possible Gold – Well done Sir.

Sunil_Prasannan

SimonStClare said:

BBC - Rio 2016: GB’s Heath wins 25 Gold.

Can’t remember that event being highlighted on here as a possible Gold – Well done Sir.

Fantastic performance by Team GB at The BREXIT GAMES!!!

John_M

A fairly standard Corbynista mantra is "Power without principle is worthless". I have pointed out that the opposite also applies, but they prefer their version .

williamglenn

vik said:

The new kinder & gentler Trump has 0.6% lead in LA Times poll.

http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/

Trump in not finished shock.

It's interesting that the recent poll swing to Clinton seems to have been almost all down to the 18-34 age group.

kle4

John_M said:

A fairly standard Corbynista mantra is "Power without principle is worthless". I have pointed out that the opposite also applies, but they prefer their version .

I try to distinguish between the hardcore ones who think that and don't think they can ever win an election (who therefore are implicitly saying Tory government is preferable to less than ideal Labour government, and thus presumably that the Tories are not that bad) and the ones who believe it and think even if they lose the next time they will win from a principled position the one after that.

Scott_P

@alstewitn: #Rio2016 How many others will admit to a strategic plasticity to their patriotism? Supporting #Den against #Chn in #badminton for example..

Oh yes, China denied another one

Moses_

Denmark has just beaten China for bronze medal in singles badminton 1st medal in badminton
China ahead in gold medal match 1 set and 3 to 4 to China in second set. Could be a probable gold there for China

williamglenn

kle4 said:

John_M said:

A fairly standard Corbynista mantra is "Power without principle is worthless". I have pointed out that the opposite also applies, but they prefer their version .

I try to distinguish between the hardcore ones who think that and don't think they can ever win an election (who therefore are implicitly saying Tory government is preferable to less than ideal Labour government, and thus presumably that the Tories are not that bad)

Or possibly that they think they can have more influence protesting against a Tory government that's afraid of them than colluding with a Labour government that's ashamed of them.

BannedInParis

SimonStClare said:

BBC - Rio 2016: GB’s Heath wins 25th Gold.

Can’t remember that event being highlighted on here as a possible Gold – Well done Sir.

I think he was always a likely medallist, but same as in 2012, Mckeever was streets ahead of his rivals in the same discipline. He got maybe a bit of hype of the day of the final?

alex.

Anyone know why the women's modern pentathlon was done and dusted in a day, but the Men's started two days ago and hasn't been finished yet?

BannedInParis

Both did the fencing on the same day then completed the rest of the events in a single day.

So ... over three days

M&W, W only, M only

... if that makes sense?

Dromedary

Warsaw Treaty Organisation: founded 1955, dissolved 1991.
NATO: founded 1949...and it's still here!
It's about time Britain left, and left the UK-USA "Five Eyes" treaty too. Any objections to a referendum? Sure, supporters will call opponents "traitors", but many Brexiteers called Bremainers traitors too. OK, this time it will be defenders of the status quo who use the "T" word. The truth is that whatever the NATO treaty might say, a Russian attack on Estonia would NOT be an attack on British interests or security.

In other news, the LA Times-USC poll, data collected 13-19 Aug, is showing a TIE between Trump and Clinton.

PlatoSaid

Apart from Matthew Syed, can anyone name a British ping-pong bod?

Sunil_Prasannan

PlatoSaid said:

Apart from Matthew Syed, can anyone name a British ping-pong bod?

Forrest Gump's long lost British cousin?

alex.

BannedInParis said:

Both did the fencing on the same day then completed the rest of the events in a single day.

So ... over three days

M&W, W only, M only

... if that makes sense?

Thanks, having just actually done some research, it appears they do fencing twice for some reason, which explains my confusion.

Scott_P

alex. said:

Anyone know why the women's modern pentathlon was done and dusted in a day, but the Men's started two days ago and hasn't been finished yet?

As I understand it, the events all take place in a single day (women yesterday, men today) but there are preliminary ranking rounds that were on Thursday

FrancisUrquhart

Time for women's drowning, penny-fathering riding and stagger home after pub closing time...

FrancisUrquhart

PlatoSaid said:

Apart from Matthew Syed, can anyone name a British ping-pong bod?

Desmond Douglas

Douglas was 11 times English Table Tennis champion, who peaked at equal World No.7 and European No.3.

Saw him and Syed play live, Desmond was a bit good...Syed had the very uncommon approach of being total defensive player (there is a technical term for his approach but I can't remember what it is called off the top of my head).

alex.

PlatoSaid said:

Apart from Matthew Syed, can anyone name a British ping-pong bod?

Had to cheat to jog my memory slightly, but Desmond Douglas was the man from back in the day.

BannedInParis

alex. said:

BannedInParis said:

Both did the fencing on the same day then completed the rest of the events in a single day.

So ... over three days

M&W, W only, M only

... if that makes sense?

Thanks, having just actually done some research, it appears they do fencing twice for some reason, which explains my confusion.

So, I'll be honest, I looked this up

"Unlike previous games, the fencing event consists of two rounds: the traditional round-robin stage plus a "bonus round." In the round-robin, each competitor faces every other competitor in a one-touch bout. The competitors are ranked according to how many victories they earn. The bonus round is held on one piste in a ladder, knock-out system. The two lowest-ranked competitors from the round-robin face each each other in another one-touch bout; the winner is credited with the additional victory and advances to face the next-lowest ranked competitor. This continues, up the ranking ladder, until all competitors have competed in the bonus round"

What? So ... last man standing fencing for bonus points?

MrsB

JackW said:

Louis Nelson of "Politico" reports on Trump's prediction that he will win 95% of the black vote in his 2020 re-election campaign.

In other news Jeremy Corbyn looks to extend his electoral map into Witney and Orkney & Shetland ....

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-african-american-vote-227218

You may laugh but in the local elections here the Tories put out a leaflet claiming they were the only thing stopping Corbyn storming to victory here. I laughed on and off for hours after I saw it. The Lib Dems got over 50% of the vote in the ward, Tories poor second, Labour miles behind. This is John Redwood's constituency. Similar to Corbyn taking Witney.

CarlottaVance

Dromedary said:

It's about time Britain.....left the UK-USA "Five Eyes" treaty too

Why would you wish to deny us information?

SimonStClare

BannedInParis said:

SimonStClare said:

BBC - Rio 2016: GB’s Heath wins 25th Gold.

Can’t remember that event being highlighted on here as a possible Gold – Well done Sir.

I think he was always a likely medallist, but same as in 2012, Mckeever was streets ahead of his rivals in the same discipline. He got maybe a bit of hype of the day of the final?

A shame McKeever didn’t get to defend his Olympic title, but you can’t fault the choice of his replacement. – Now had the chance to see Liam Heath’s superb victory, not sure if that’s a fine pair of shoulders on him, or he’s left the coat hanger in his leotard.

FrancisUrquhart

So is everybody ready to see idiots in the gym try pull ups with 90kg strapped to their legs in the forthcoming weeks...

kle4

Dromedary said:

Warsaw Treaty Organisation: founded 1955, dissolved 1991.
NATO: founded 1949...and it's still here!
It's about time Britain left, and left the UK-USA "Five Eyes" treaty too.

What are your objections to the Five Eyes, out of interest?

PlatoSaid

FrancisUrquhart said:

PlatoSaid said:

Apart from Matthew Syed, can anyone name a British ping-pong bod?

Desmond Douglas

Douglas was 11 times English Table Tennis champion, who peaked at equal World No.7 and European No.3.

Saw him and Syed play live, Desmond was a bit good...Syed had the very uncommon approach of being total defensive player (there is a technical term for his approach but I can't remember what it is called off the top of my head).

And @alex. Why did we get crap at it? It's not exactly expensive to play unless I've missed something.

alex.

Drowning started. Shouldn't really joke, that does sometimes happen, i think.

Moses_

In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?

FrancisUrquhart

alex. said:

Drowning started. Shouldn't really joke, that does sometimes happen, i think.

In the mens race there was some serious dunking going on early on. Given the poor water quality, I can't imagine what nasty diseases some have picked up.

SouthamObserver

FrancisUrquhart said:

PlatoSaid said:

Apart from Matthew Syed, can anyone name a British ping-pong bod?

Desmond Douglas

Douglas was 11 times English Table Tennis champion, who peaked at equal World No.7 and European No.3.

Saw him and Syed play live, Desmond was a bit good...Syed had the very uncommon approach of being total defensive player (there is a technical term for his approach but I can't remember what it is called off the top of my head).

And Fred Perry, of course.

Sunil_Prasannan

Moses_ said:

In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?

Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.

alex.

PlatoSaid said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

PlatoSaid said:

Apart from Matthew Syed, can anyone name a British ping-pong bod?

Desmond Douglas

Douglas was 11 times English Table Tennis champion, who peaked at equal World No.7 and European No.3.

Saw him and Syed play live, Desmond was a bit good...Syed had the very uncommon approach of being total defensive player (there is a technical term for his approach but I can't remember what it is called off the top of my head).

And @alex. Why did we get crap at it? It's not exactly expensive to play unless I've missed something.

Don't think we've ever been that good or that bad. We actually gave the Chinese a run for their money at Rio.

Sunil_Prasannan

kle4 said:

Dromedary said:

Warsaw Treaty Organisation: founded 1955, dissolved 1991.
NATO: founded 1949...and it's still here!
It's about time Britain left, and left the UK-USA "Five Eyes" treaty too.

What are your objections to the Five Eyes, out of interest?

Dromedary gets the hump?

PlatoSaid

FrancisUrquhart said:

So is everybody ready to see idiots in the gym try pull ups with 90kg strapped to their legs in the forthcoming weeks...

With one arm... apparently Heath's gym mate Googled the WR and its c93.5kgs. Didn't suggest it as it'd be red rag stuff

Speedy

Dromedary said:

Warsaw Treaty Organisation: founded 1955, dissolved 1991.
NATO: founded 1949...and it's still here!
It's about time Britain left, and left the UK-USA "Five Eyes" treaty too. Any objections to a referendum? Sure, supporters will call opponents "traitors", but many Brexiteers called Bremainers traitors too. OK, this time it will be defenders of the status quo who use the "T" word. The truth is that whatever the NATO treaty might say, a Russian attack on Estonia would NOT be an attack on British interests or security.

In other news, the LA Times-USC poll, data collected 13-19 Aug, is showing a TIE between Trump and Clinton.

I'm against the increasing divergence between the hypothetical and reality.

Estonia is a member of NATO hence the UK has to support it if it's hypotheticaly attacked, in reality the geographical position of Estonia makes it undefensible.

Idealy the baltic states would not have become members of NATO, but they did for political reasons to poke Moscow, so now NATO has to defend territory that can't be defended.

NATO has another problem too recently, Turkey, chances are that they will backstab the alliance at the first opportunity.

Thankfully the NATO treaty doesn't specify the aid to be given to a member in need, it could range from nukes to tweets, but I don't like this whole mess that NATO is in to.

Danny565

"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."

It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.

FrancisUrquhart

PlatoSaid said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

So is everybody ready to see idiots in the gym try pull ups with 90kg strapped to their legs in the forthcoming weeks...

With one arm... apparently Heath's gym mate Googled the WR and its c93.5kgs. Didn't suggest it as it'd be red rag stuff

To be honest, all the lads in the final looked like they could carry a cow if required.

PlatoSaid

alex. said:

Drowning started. Shouldn't really joke, that does sometimes happen, i think.

There was a 'faller' in the sand on the into the sea...

alex.

Moses_ said:

In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?

Liam Heath's from Guildford.

nunu

vik said:

The new kinder & gentler Trump has 0.6% lead in LA Times poll.

http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/

Reminds me of Corbyns "kinder gentler politics".
This race is much closer than the national polls suggest with him close in Ohio Florida Nevada and Iowa.

david_herdson

Respect deregistered as a party this week. Has Gorgeous George given up on politics or has he found another outlet? If so, whose?

http://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Registrations/PP362

Moses_

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Moses_ said:

In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?

Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.

Well now you come to mention it.....

Innuit ear pulling olympics

http://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8

SouthamObserver

Danny565 said:

"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."

It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.

Except there is. Smith is way out in front among voters as preferred Labour leader. But it's polls again, I guess.

SimonStClare

Moses_ said:

In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?

Posh - Kayaking comes under cultural misappropriation and thus considered as Imperialist.

PlatoSaid

alex. said:

Moses_ said:

In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?

Liam Heath's from Guildford.

He eats a lot of Popeye spinach too by the looks of it.

Speedy

Danny565 said:

"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."

It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.

The alternative to Corbyn supported peace talks with ISIS on national TV.

If that didn't convince OGH how much crappier Owen Smith is, well shame to him.

How can anyone with a brain support peace talks with ISIS on a BBC leaders debate like Owen Smith did ?

How can anyone with a brain continue to support him after that ?

BannedInParis

FrancisUrquhart said:

PlatoSaid said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

So is everybody ready to see idiots in the gym try pull ups with 90kg strapped to their legs in the forthcoming weeks...

With one arm... apparently Heath's gym mate Googled the WR and its c93.5kgs. Didn't suggest it as it'd be red rag stuff

To be honest, all the lads in the final looked like they could carry a cow if required.

there's an event for that


http://www.gawthorpemaypole.org.uk/?page_id=592

The event starts from Owl Lane, outside the Royal Oak where both men and women race with a sack of coal, approx one mile, 1108. 25 yards to be precise, to secure the best time. To qualify for completion of the race, the sack must be dropped on the Village Green where the traditional Maypole is situated in the heart of the Gawthorpe.

The current male WORLD RECORD is 4mins. 6secs held by one DAVID JONES of Meltham.

me and a mate thought about entering in 2011, I think, we'd done a load of training for the Paras 10 which is 10 miles with a bergen, so it seemed like an evolution, I guess.

I went to Croatia and had a beery holiday and we never talked about it again.

FrancisUrquhart

Its that rough in the swim, surprised H&S hasn't demanded they wear life jackets...

williamglenn

JackW said:

Louis Nelson of "Politico" reports on Trump's prediction that he will win 95% of the black vote in his 2020 re-election campaign.

In other news Jeremy Corbyn looks to extend his electoral map into Witney and Orkney & Shetland ....

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-african-american-vote-227218

Trump's obviously not going to win the black vote, but the electoral map starts shifting if he even gets up to 10%, 15%, 20%... Not impossible.

FrancisUrquhart

Thousands of Labour supporters could be expelled from party over anti-Semitism and abuse allegations

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/20/thousands-of-labour-supporters-could-be-expelled-from-party-over/

PlatoSaid

Moses_ said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Moses_ said:

In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?

Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.

Well now you come to mention it.....

Innuit ear pulling olympics

ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8

Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.

Moses_

Just watching these triathletes all swimming behind one another would they not be faster and easier to move slightly to the outside and swim in undisturbed water? Just wondering

Danny565

SouthamObserver said:

Danny565 said:

"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."

It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.

Except there is. Smith is way out in front among voters as preferred Labour leader. But it's polls again, I guess.

That wasn't a voting intention poll -- there was another poll earlier in the leadership campaign asking people how they would vote under different leaders, and it had a Corbyn-led Labour doing (slightly) better in an election than a Smith-led Labour or an Eagle-led Labour. Essentially because Tory voters who would "prefer" Smith still wouldn't switch to Labour even if he was leader, whereas people who "prefer" Corbyn actually would desert the party if he wasn't leader anymore.

In any case, for the "preferred Labour leader" you're referring to, many people who answered Smith would've had no clue who he was, and specifically would not have known he planned to ignore the EU referendum result, that he's not exactly super-competent himself, etc.

PlatoSaid

SimonStClare said:

Moses_ said:

In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?

Posh - Kayaking comes under cultural misappropriation and thus considered as Imperialist.

The Hawaii 5-0 paddling is clearly a crime.

Scott_P

SimonStClare said:

Posh - Kayaking comes under cultural misappropriation and thus considered as Imperialist.

@JohnyHelzapopin: @JohnyHelzapopin Canoe/Kayak all non essential to industry boats are Tory, also cultural appropriation from Native Americans, über Tory

John_M

PlatoSaid said:

Moses_ said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Moses_ said:

In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?

Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.

Well now you come to mention it.....

Innuit ear pulling olympics

ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8

Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.

I am a fellow refusenik. Mind you, I still use Peking and Calcutta, so am definitely going to hell.

BannedInParis

Scott_P said:

SimonStClare said:

Posh - Kayaking comes under cultural misappropriation and thus considered as Imperialist.

@JohnyHelzapopin: @JohnyHelzapopin Canoe/Kayak all non essential to industry boats are Tory, also cultural appropriation from Native Americans, über Tory

I read that.

What a witless goon.

BannedInParis

Moses_ said:

Just watching these triathletes all swimming behind one another would they not be faster and easier to move slightly to the outside and swim in undisturbed water? Just wondering

Drafting >>> working on your own.

I might know very little about taekwondo and fencing details in modern pentathlon but I know my swimming.

There used to be no-drafting rules in the sport as it can help so much.

david_herdson

Speedy said:

Danny565 said:

"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."

It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.

The alternative to Corbyn supported peace talks with ISIS on national TV.

If that didn't convince OGH how much crappier Owen Smith is, well shame to him.

How can anyone with a brain support peace talks with ISIS on a BBC leaders debate like Owen Smith did ?

How can anyone with a brain continue to support him after that ?

The difference is that even if Owen Smith is useless, he would only be there as the PLP nominee and as such, would be more likely to stand down if he in turn were No Confidenced - at which point, Labour might elect a half-sensible leader from among a small pool nominated from the centre and centre-right of the party.

BannedInParis

ignore

Morris_Dancer

Good afternoon, everyone.

Mr. M, must be said that the pinyin standard translation of Chinese symbols to English alphabet seems to work pretty well.

Huzzah for another gold!

We may exceed the London medal tally, which would be peculiar.

PlatoSaid

John_M said:

PlatoSaid said:

Moses_ said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Moses_ said:

In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?

Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.

Well now you come to mention it.....

Innuit ear pulling olympics

ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8

Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.

I am a fellow refusenik. Mind you, I still use Peking and Calcutta, so am definitely going to hell.

And Burmese and Siamese cats

Danny565

david_herdson said:

Speedy said:

Danny565 said:

"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."

It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.

The alternative to Corbyn supported peace talks with ISIS on national TV.

If that didn't convince OGH how much crappier Owen Smith is, well shame to him.

How can anyone with a brain support peace talks with ISIS on a BBC leaders debate like Owen Smith did ?

How can anyone with a brain continue to support him after that ?

The difference is that even if Owen Smith is useless, he would only be there as the PLP nominee and as such, would be more likely to stand down if he in turn were No Confidenced - at which point, Labour might elect a half-sensible leader from among a small pool nominated from the centre and centre-right of the party.

And that is another of the reasons why Smith isn't winning -- because, even to the extent what he's saying is tolerable to some of the softer Corbyn voters, there's a fear that Smith himself would soon be ousted in favour of a Blairite ultra who will go back to the dark days of abstaining on benefit cuts (and at the same time being so useless in media interviews that they get slaughtered in an election even in spite of endless surrenders to the Tories on policy matters).

Moses_

PlatoSaid said:

Moses_ said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Moses_ said:

In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?

Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.

Well now you come to mention it.....

Innuit ear pulling olympics

ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8

Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.

No not really apparently as Google tells me......

"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"

It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.

PlatoSaid

Well, I'd have drowned by now. How the eff do they do this?

Three Brits in front runners.

FrancisUrquhart

Front-foot no-balls will be called by the third umpire in the upcoming England-Pakistan one-day international series, as part of an International Cricket Council (ICC) trial scheme.

The TV umpire will have a split-screen view of the four side-on cameras.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37143001

AramintaMoonbeamQC

PlatoSaid said:

Well, I'd have drowned by now. How the eff do they do this?

Three Brits in front runners.

And then just jump on a bike and crack on with a road race. The most mental of sports.

FrancisUrquhart

Moses_ said:

PlatoSaid said:

Moses_ said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Moses_ said:

In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?

Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.

Well now you come to mention it.....

Innuit ear pulling olympics

ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8

Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.

No not really apparently as Google tells me......

"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"

It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.

I made the horrific PC faux pas of not calling Canadian native folk, "First Nation People", I was scolded by a white Canadian.