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edited September 2016 in General

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Reading his article it almost appears like some massive trolling effort which will further focus attention on the group set up to support Corbyn and mould Labour in a manner that is causing massive controversy.

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  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    First for a long time?
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Second like Oily Smith.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Are they going to call Momentum Kids "Young Pioneers"?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 46,323
    MikeK said:

    Are they going to call Momentum Kids "Young Pioneers"?

    "Child Labour" is banned for some reason...
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    MikeK said:

    Are they going to call Momentum Kids "Young Pioneers"?

    I've just the song for them maybe they could sing it at the holiday camps Momentum will no doubt establish.
  • Sounds like Putin's Nashi youth group.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    We now know who the attacker was in the Mall - another nutcase called Dave - or rather a Somali called "Dahir Adan".
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 2,863
    weejonnie said:

    MikeK said:

    Are they going to call Momentum Kids "Young Pioneers"?

    I've just the song for them maybe they could sing it at the holiday camps Momentum will no doubt establish.
    Corbyn Youth! Of course.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 7,719
    FPT
    Scott_P said:
    Is it just me, or do they look like mini Theresa Mays and Michael Goves.....
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,776
    Every Momentumlet will be required to set up a Corbyn corner at home with anti-Blairite pictures, poems, and sayings.
  • glwglw Posts: 5,019
    Well at least this will help MI5 catch them while they are young.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Berlin (AFP) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel's party suffered a historic loss in Berlin state elections Sunday while the right-wing populist AfD gained fresh support, riding a wave of popular anger over her open-door refugee policy.

    The anti-Islam Alternative for Germany party won around 14 percent, according to public broadcasters' projections, in the capital which has long prided itself on being a hip, diverse and multicultural city.

    The strong AfD result, thanks to support especially in the vast tower block districts in Berlin's former communist east, meant it has now won opposition seats in ten of Germany's 16 states, a year ahead of national elections.

    The Drudge Report.
  • Danny565 said:

    FPT

    Scott_P said:
    Is it just me, or do they look like mini Theresa Mays and Michael Goves.....
    It's a Primary School outing in Oslo.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,776
    glw said:

    Well at least this will help MI5 catch them while they are young.

    I'm now laughing out loud at the idea of MI5 agents sending their children to Momentum Kids meetings.

    If this thing is true it's probably the most wtf thing to come out of Corbyn Labour since McDonnell reading out of the Little Red Book.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 12,422
    FPT:

    AndyJS said:

    » show previous quotes
    How representative are Berlin voters of German voters in general?

    Not much! As someone else said, it's very like London. But a couple of the elements are probably meaningful - I think that elsewhere too people see the AfD as a good protest party; mainly but not only about immigration; they are doing well among the unemployed; the Left (unusually on an international scale) is generally seen as quite competent and a young person's party; CDU voters feel it's all rather a shambles.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 7,719

    FPT:

    AndyJS said:

    » show previous quotes
    How representative are Berlin voters of German voters in general?

    Not much! As someone else said, it's very like London. But a couple of the elements are probably meaningful - I think that elsewhere too people see the AfD as a good protest party; mainly but not only about immigration; they are doing well among the unemployed; the Left (unusually on an international scale) is generally seen as quite competent and a young person's party; CDU voters feel it's all rather a shambles.

    Meanwhile, the German SPD, despite following the Labour "moderates"' playbook, continue in their death spiral.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,274
    Just plain f**king creepy. On first reading it could be confused with a paedophile front.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 12,422
    edited September 2016
    MikeK said:

    Berlin (AFP) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel's party suffered a historic loss in Berlin state elections Sunday while the right-wing populist AfD gained fresh support, riding a wave of popular anger over her open-door refugee policy.

    The anti-Islam Alternative for Germany party won around 14 percent, according to public broadcasters' projections, in the capital which has long prided itself on being a hip, diverse and multicultural city.

    The strong AfD result, thanks to support especially in the vast tower block districts in Berlin's former communist east, meant it has now won opposition seats in ten of Germany's 16 states, a year ahead of national elections.

    The Drudge Report.

    Drudge is wrong - the AfD did best in the outer suburbs (where there aren't many immigrants - they did worst in Kreuzberg where there are lots); the Left and the Socialists dominated the tower block areas. You can see the pattern if you scroll down on

    http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/berlin/wahl/liveticker-spd-sackt-in-hochrechnungen-weiter-ab--afd-gewinnt-mehrere-wahlkreise-24761196

    and click on the individual districts.
  • The FBI has said it is treating a stabbing attack at a shopping centre in Minnesota that injured eight people as an act of terrorism.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37403875
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 34,390
    edited September 2016
    Young children in North Korea the UK are being brainwashed to ensure they will support ruler Kim Jong-un Corbyn....

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3278695/How-North-Korea-s-brainwashing-plans-foiled-Queen-Elsa-Children-taught-hate-U-S-kindergarten-secretly-love-pop-music-Frozen.html
  • The mood music suggests the briefing from the Corbyn camp is correct. He's going to win by a bigger margin than last year. The day after Watson said Corbyn's internal reform plans would make Labour like Syriza briefing has started that next year's leadership contest will be a Corbynista challenge against Watson. We can only pray for SDP2 but t seems cultural loyalty to the Labour and Lib Dem brands is still two strong. It's an extraordinary mess. Mess doesn't really seem adequate.
  • Three servicemen who face being prosecuted for manslaughter over the death of an Iraqi teenager were cleared a decade ago, after it emerged that key witnesses had lied about the claims and were paid expenses in exchange for their testimony.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/18/soldiers-facing-prosecution-for-iraq-drowning-were-cleared-a-dec/
  • On Topic, I've long argued that progressives should have aggressively engaged in the governments Free Schools programme. The Cooperative Movement, Unions, blue chip Charities, mutuals, blue chip campaigning organisations like Amnesty and Greenpeace. The financial, organisational and branding opportunities of these groups are enormous. So much of British Left thinking is predicated on class *immobility*. A working class reproduces it's self biologically and it's economic situation reproduces identical class consciousness. The fact this reproduction is close to dead after 50 years of social progress is a *good* thing. Though the left's necropolis cult approach to politics strangely mourns the passing of economic conditions it was created to kill. So investing in political, ethical and values based education for children s a great way forward. How we think about and create change is changing ! Old structures won't do. The churches and ( most ) ethnic minority groups are very smart at this hence there fascination with providing or colonising state education or some schools in particular. What was it the Jesuits sad ?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 2,863
    MP_SE said:

    I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...

    Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.

    Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.

    Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.

    Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.

    Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.
  • MP_SE said:

    I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...

    Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.

    Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.

    Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.

    Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.

    Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.
    Don't they also need to be taught the connection between Hitler's Nazi Party and the Zionists?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 34,390
    edited September 2016
    Apparently the ISIS inspired stabbing could have been a lot lot worse, but an off duty police officer was attacked and managed to take him down while being attacked.

    Attacker is allegedly from Somali. Apparently, 11 people have in the past few months have been charged with terrorist offences in Twin Cities.

    We all know what Trump is going to say.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 2,863

    The mood music suggests the briefing from the Corbyn camp is correct. He's going to win by a bigger margin than last year. The day after Watson said Corbyn's internal reform plans would make Labour like Syriza briefing has started that next year's leadership contest will be a Corbynista challenge against Watson. We can only pray for SDP2 but t seems cultural loyalty to the Labour and Lib Dem brands is still two strong. It's an extraordinary mess. Mess doesn't really seem adequate.

    Labour may very well end up splitting, but even if a majority of MPs leave to set up a new party the risk is as follows:

    1. That Rump Labour will fight it tooth and nail, and end up holding a lot of its seats
    2. That quite a lot of what's left will become vulnerable to the Tories, and possibly even Ukip, should Rump Labour and SDP2 find themselves fighting each other hard and splitting the Left-leaning vote in a lot of seats
    3. That SDP2 will end up unelectable as a Government, because many moderate voters can see it can't win a majority, and won't risk ending up with a leftist coalition that also includes the SNP and Rump Labour

    It may take several electoral cycles for a serious challenger to emerge to take on the Tories - and there's no absolute guarantee that the new opposition won't come from the Conservative Party itself splitting into two Right-leaning factions, after the Left has been driven back into a few remaining strongholds and marginalised.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 2,863

    MP_SE said:

    I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...

    Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.

    Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.

    Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.

    Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.

    Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.
    Don't they also need to be taught the connection between Hitler's Nazi Party and the Zionists?
    I'm given to understand that work is in progress on an illustrated book aimed at explaining the concept to the 7-10 age group, but that it hasn't been finished quite in time for the big launch.
  • MP_SE said:

    I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...

    Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.

    Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.

    Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.

    Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.

    Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.
    Don't they also need to be taught the connection between Hitler's Nazi Party and the Zionists?
    I'm given to understand that work is in progress on an illustrated book aimed at explaining the concept to the 7-10 age group, but that it hasn't been finished quite in time for the big launch.
    The pilot I saw was quite good. It featured 'Mr Ken' who would step out through a secret door to travel in time and reveal the true story behind often misunderstood events.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 7,732

    The FBI has said it is treating a stabbing attack at a shopping centre in Minnesota that injured eight people as an act of terrorism.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37403875

    No shit Sherlock

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 7,732
    MikeK said:

    First for a long time?

    Unlike Labour under the demented marxist leadership
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,274
    Is anyone watching the Triathlon on BBC Red Button?

    Sporting drama alright.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited September 2016
    @MP_SE

    'I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group... '


    Tutoring by Ken Livingstone & McDonnell with an economics tutor from Venezuela ?

  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    MP_SE said:

    I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...

    Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.

    Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.

    Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.

    Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.

    Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.
    :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    MP_SE said:

    I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...

    Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.

    Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.

    Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.

    Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.

    Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.
    Don't they also need to be taught the connection between Hitler's Nazi Party and the Zionists?
    I'm given to understand that work is in progress on an illustrated book aimed at explaining the concept to the 7-10 age group, but that it hasn't been finished quite in time for the big launch.
    The pilot I saw was quite good. It featured 'Mr Ken' who would step out through a secret door to travel in time and reveal the true story behind often misunderstood events.
    Claps
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,274
    All this reminds of the joke, what would happen if the Communists took control of the Sahara?

    Nothing for five years, then it would run out of sand.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Black_Rook

    '1. That Rump Labour will fight it tooth and nail, and end up holding a lot of its seats
    2. That quite a lot of what's left will become vulnerable to the Tories, and possibly even Ukip, should Rump Labour and SDP2 find themselves fighting each other hard and splitting the Left-leaning vote in a lot of seats
    3. That SDP2 will end up unelectable as a Government, because many moderate voters can see it can't win a majority, and won't risk ending up with a leftist coalition that also includes the SNP and Rump Labour'


    Can't see an SDP2 as SDP1 with some big names got nowhere and their potential centre partners the Lib Dems are already reduced to a rump.

    Unlike the early 80's the protest voters now have a wide selection of other parties.

    The moderate Labour MP's that had caeers before politics will gradually throw in the towel as they won't want to hang around another 9 years in the hope that they finally get an electable leader
    '
  • Y0kel said:

    All this reminds of the joke, what would happen if the Communists took control of the Sahara?

    Nothing for five years, then it would run out of sand.

    No pearls of wisdom on the events in the US?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Momentum Kids
    Can't wait to launch!
    Timetable:

    9AM-10AM: Flag waving with Seamus

    10AM-11AM: 'How to Deselect' with John

    12PM-1PM: Statistics with Eoin
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 1,625
    edited September 2016
    john_zims said:

    Can't see an SDP2 as SDP1 with some big names got nowhere and their potential centre partners the Lib Dems are already reduced to a rump.

    Not that different from SDP Mk1 - there were only 11 Liberal MPs elected in 1979, compared to 8 LibDems today.

    But I agree that SDP Mk2 seems unlikely.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,274

    Y0kel said:

    All this reminds of the joke, what would happen if the Communists took control of the Sahara?

    Nothing for five years, then it would run out of sand.

    No pearls of wisdom on the events in the US?
    Al Qaeda promoted device but its methodology is widespread. As I mentioned the other night IS has found elements of its efforts in Europe compromised and is desperately seeking to strike, as is Al Qaeda who need to remind everyone that they are still there.

    No reason to believe the US situation is any different but there are a few missing links regarding things in NY & NJ and the authorities are still piecing things. The usual IS channels have yet to inform as well.
  • PlatoSaid said:

    Momentum Kids
    Can't wait to launch!
    Timetable:

    9AM-10AM: Flag waving with Seamus

    10AM-11AM: 'How to Deselect' with John

    12PM-1PM: Statistics with Eoin

    May I suggest an alternative for the 9AM programme...."Fun with Flags"
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited September 2016
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    "A bomb that injured 29 people on Saturday in the Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan, and another that failed to detonate, were filled with shrapnel and made with pressure cookers, flip phones and Christmas lights that set off a powerful explosive compound, law enforcement officials said on Sunday.

    Both bombs appeared designed to create maximum chaos and fatalities — they also provided a trove of clues even as any suspects remained unnervingly at large.

    A top law enforcement official said that pressure cookers were filled with “fragmentation materials.” The bomb that exploded, at 23rd Street, was filled with small bearings or metal BBs.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/19/nyregion/new-york-explosion-chelsea.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0&referer=
  • All FIVE bombs that were found in the New York area used flip phones as a detonator: Fears grow of link between failed New Jersey attack and IED blast in Manhattan that injured 29

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3795654/Old-fashioned-flip-phones-five-explosive-devices-used-Saturday-related.html

    News to me that there were in fact 3 bombs in NJ.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Well that's a way to start a book review

    "By the time I finished this book, I resented its existence.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2016/09/16/the-new-clintonkaine-campaign-book-is-just-deplorable/
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Jeb follows that well trodden path - playing an uber driver...

    Variety
    #Emmys: Jeb Bush makes surprise appearance in @JimmyKimmel's opening sketch https://t.co/HgvPtPl8GX
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Text of Momentum Kids leaflet

    Not a joke. Momentum launch socialist "kids" wing for "children’s involvement". Includes education program #TrotTots https://t.co/93jEIs18PK
  • PlatoSaid said:

    Text of Momentum Kids leaflet

    Not a joke. Momentum launch socialist "kids" wing for "children’s involvement". Includes education program #TrotTots https://t.co/93jEIs18PK

    There are some good funnies under the #TrotTots hashtag.
  • 'Twitter Blocking For Beginners' with Uncle Éoin #TrotTots
  • Apparently according to the Maomentum lot, criticizing #TrotTots is basically having a go at single mums and working class people.....
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Apparently according to the Maomentum lot, criticizing #TrotTots is basically having a go at single mums and working class people.....

    No matter how I look at it, political indoctrination of children is just creepy and sinister.
  • PlatoSaid said:

    Apparently according to the Maomentum lot, criticizing #TrotTots is basically having a go at single mums and working class people.....

    No matter how I look at it, political indoctrination of children is just creepy and sinister.
    I've no idea where they got this idea....

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/hamas-kid-summer-camp-2016-8?r=US&IR=T
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    Apparently according to the Maomentum lot, criticizing #TrotTots is basically having a go at single mums and working class people.....

    No matter how I look at it, political indoctrination of children is just creepy and sinister.
    I've no idea where they got this idea....

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/hamas-kid-summer-camp-2016-8?r=US&IR=T
    I just checked the comments under #MomentumKids and they couldn't be more polarised. Either an appalling idea or fantastic!!!

    It's weird.
  • What a fantastic Paralympics closing ceremony. Moving and a great show. And uncompromisingly Brazilian which is a good thing. What on earth possesed C4 though ? Printing up viewer tweets across the bottom 20% of the screen then having the commentator read them out as well during a live performance ? An utterly bizzare, rude and disrespectful editorial decision unfitting for a publicly owned broadcaster.
  • Danny565 said:

    FPT:

    AndyJS said:

    » show previous quotes
    How representative are Berlin voters of German voters in general?

    Not much! As someone else said, it's very like London. But a couple of the elements are probably meaningful - I think that elsewhere too people see the AfD as a good protest party; mainly but not only about immigration; they are doing well among the unemployed; the Left (unusually on an international scale) is generally seen as quite competent and a young person's party; CDU voters feel it's all rather a shambles.

    Meanwhile, the German SPD, despite following the Labour "moderates"' playbook, continue in their death spiral.
    It's not the Labour moderates playbook, it's the LibDem "go into coalition with the conservatives" playbook.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,460
    Nothing new, according to the article.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 3,324
    PlatoSaid said:

    Apparently according to the Maomentum lot, criticizing #TrotTots is basically having a go at single mums and working class people.....

    No matter how I look at it, political indoctrination of children is just creepy and sinister.
    How to picket with uncle Len - special session on dealing with scabs.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 6,963

    MP_SE said:

    I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...

    Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.

    Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.

    Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.

    Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.

    Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.
    Don't they also need to be taught the connection between Hitler's Nazi Party and the Zionists?
    I'm given to understand that work is in progress on an illustrated book aimed at explaining the concept to the 7-10 age group, but that it hasn't been finished quite in time for the big launch.
    Nazionism, a Primer. S Chakrabarti, Victoria Street Press, 2016
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 6,963
    PlatoSaid said:

    Well that's a way to start a book review

    "By the time I finished this book, I resented its existence.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2016/09/16/the-new-clintonkaine-campaign-book-is-just-deplorable/

    What a great book review. Wonder why it sold less than 3,000 copies in its first week.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/15/clinton-kaine-book-stronger-together-sold-less-tha/
  • MTimT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Well that's a way to start a book review

    "By the time I finished this book, I resented its existence.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2016/09/16/the-new-clintonkaine-campaign-book-is-just-deplorable/

    What a great book review. Wonder why it sold less than 3,000 copies in its first week.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/15/clinton-kaine-book-stronger-together-sold-less-tha/
    one can only wonder why they bothered. probably done to get a donation from the publisher or something?
  • PlatoSaid said:

    Apparently according to the Maomentum lot, criticizing #TrotTots is basically having a go at single mums and working class people.....

    No matter how I look at it, political indoctrination of children is just creepy and sinister.
    I suspect the rebuttal line would be that children are constantly politically indoctrinated via the hegenomical (that might be a word) culture belonging to the military industrial complex by way of x-factor the daily mail and the bbc.

    which may contain an element of truth. on the other hand most people are probably happy with said indoctrination. rather than indoctrination by revolutionary cults, like the Salvation army and so on
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 18,347
    The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.
  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited September 2016
    IanB2 said:

    The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.

    How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 18,347

    IanB2 said:

    The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.

    How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"
    Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.

    I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
  • Off-topic, but might be of interest to some. The rise of megagaming.
    http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2016/09/what-is-megagame/

    Diplomacy is mentioned.
  • On-topic: a friend of mine is extremely left-wing/green/hippy. He regularly goes down to Calais to help the people in the camp, casts hatred on everything Conservative or right-wing, and sees himself as some form of God of righteousness. (*)

    He is raising his children to have a similar state of mind. I do worry what happens if / when they start to form their own opinions and differ from him. Most of all, what happens if one of them becomes a Conservative who serves in the military!

    This is rather similar to the way many view religion. And I do believe, for him, his views have replaced religion. It would be interesting to know the percentage of Momentum members who count themselves as religious versus the general population.

    (*) Despite this, he's actually a really nice chap. You just avoid many, many topics of conversation.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,460
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.

    How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"
    Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.

    I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
    I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 18,347
    edited September 2016
    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.

    How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"
    Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.

    I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
    I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.
    I think you are splitting hairs. Most religions organise formal outside-school classes for kids that include a mix of doctrine and fun activities - singing or whatever - intended to direct them into whatever is the faith. And encourage adults to send their children along. Of course the decision to participate is, up to a certain age, with the parents (possibly under some social pressure); this doesn't detract from the point I was making.
  • BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    edited September 2016
    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.

    How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"
    Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.

    I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
    I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.
    Last time I looked, Madrasahs (to pick just one religion) were a real actual thing. Whereas Atheistahs and Humanistahs are words I just made up.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 22,164
    Morning. So this is not a religious cult, right?
  • The mood music suggests the briefing from the Corbyn camp is correct. He's going to win by a bigger margin than last year. The day after Watson said Corbyn's internal reform plans would make Labour like Syriza briefing has started that next year's leadership contest will be a Corbynista challenge against Watson. We can only pray for SDP2 but t seems cultural loyalty to the Labour and Lib Dem brands is still two strong. It's an extraordinary mess. Mess doesn't really seem adequate.

    Labour may very well end up splitting, but even if a majority of MPs leave to set up a new party the risk is as follows:

    1. That Rump Labour will fight it tooth and nail, and end up holding a lot of its seats
    2. That quite a lot of what's left will become vulnerable to the Tories, and possibly even Ukip, should Rump Labour and SDP2 find themselves fighting each other hard and splitting the Left-leaning vote in a lot of seats
    3. That SDP2 will end up unelectable as a Government, because many moderate voters can see it can't win a majority, and won't risk ending up with a leftist coalition that also includes the SNP and Rump Labour

    It may take several electoral cycles for a serious challenger to emerge to take on the Tories - and there's no absolute guarantee that the new opposition won't come from the Conservative Party itself splitting into two Right-leaning factions, after the Left has been driven back into a few remaining strongholds and marginalised.
    The problem with splitting is the electoral system. The only way that it could work is for any new parties to conclude electoral pacts with each other and the LibDems/Greens. It would help if they also called themselves a new name (Alliance has been used before so check the Thesaurus for a different one).
    The SNP seem to have settled down and become reasonably responsible after their first few months. Maybe they will be more difficult to cast as bogeymen in 2020.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 25,124
    My current favourite piece of non-reporting reporting:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37403875

    "The attacker, who was dressed in a security uniform and reportedly made references to Allah, was shot dead by an off-duty police officer on Saturday."

    A bit of passing chit-chat whilst he was being taken down maybe? "I had that Allah in the back of my cab once...."
  • There's a world view behind most children's organisations, including the scouts and the boys' brigade. I can't get too worked up about this.
  • There's a world view behind most children's organisations, including the scouts and the boys' brigade. I can't get too worked up about this.

    There's a world view behind most children's organisations, including the scouts and the boys' brigade.

    especially in Scotland...

    me and my brother reacted with abject horror when our C of E Sunday school suggested evangelical summer camp. luckily my parents were wise enough allow us to escape
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,606
    PlatoSaid said:

    Well that's a way to start a book review

    "By the time I finished this book, I resented its existence.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2016/09/16/the-new-clintonkaine-campaign-book-is-just-deplorable/

    That's really quite a funny review. Several good bits including:

    "And we know their reforms are right because they’re all deemed “smart” — smart investments and smart federal standards and smart defense budgets and smart solutions. The rich must pay their “fair share” in taxes, with fairness less defined than obviously understood among friends. It’s the adjectival school of policymaking."

    The fact that the Washington Post of all places is quite so contemptuous is not good news for Hillary. Being a wonk is supposed to be one of her USPs against the unpredictable Trump.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited September 2016
    Sandpit said:

    Morning. So this is not a religious cult, right?

    From the rival tweets so far - those in favour seem to be strong Corbynistas, so its preaching what they'd do themselves/a mix of less ardent who equate it to Sunday school cum creche so parents can participate in political events - and that it'd be a good thing to get children more politically engaged.

    And everyone else who reflexively goes Urgh including a lot of Labour members/supporters.

    I really don't agree with overt religious teaching for children - in this instance, I see it as all rather Communist/denounce your parents for crimes against Corbyn et al.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited September 2016

    My current favourite piece of non-reporting reporting:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37403875

    "The attacker, who was dressed in a security uniform and reportedly made references to Allah, was shot dead by an off-duty police officer on Saturday."

    A bit of passing chit-chat whilst he was being taken down maybe? "I had that Allah in the back of my cab once...."

    :lol:

    I've been wading through comments under various NYC bombing articles - and it's about 90% critical of the media non-reporting/misleading/treating us like children. It's reassuring that this recent fashion for infantalising the public isn't going down well anywhere.

    Hopefully, they'll stop patronising us soon - the piss taking is making a mockery of them. NYT readers were particularly indignant.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,561

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.

    How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"
    Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.

    I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
    I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.
    Last time I looked, Madrasahs (to pick just one religion) were a real actual thing. Whereas Atheistahs and Humanistahs are words I just made up.
    Dawkins ran a summer camp for children to teach them about his neo-atheist views.

    As I recall, it had to be cancelled for the second year because nobody wanted to go on it.

    You also get various pressure groups coming into schools to lecture children and try to push them towards their worldview. Animal rights activists are the most common, but you do get gay rights groups as well. Most disturbingly, I once had to attend a talk by a group very anxious to legalise all drugs.
  • MikeK said:

    Berlin (AFP) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel's party suffered a historic loss in Berlin state elections Sunday while the right-wing populist AfD gained fresh support, riding a wave of popular anger over her open-door refugee policy.

    The anti-Islam Alternative for Germany party won around 14 percent, according to public broadcasters' projections, in the capital which has long prided itself on being a hip, diverse and multicultural city.

    The strong AfD result, thanks to support especially in the vast tower block districts in Berlin's former communist east, meant it has now won opposition seats in ten of Germany's 16 states, a year ahead of national elections.

    The Drudge Report.

    Ye Gods. Even the NSDAP struggled for votes in 'Red Berlin'
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,606
    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.

    How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"
    Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.

    I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
    I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.
    I think you are splitting hairs. Most religions organise formal outside-school classes for kids that include a mix of doctrine and fun activities - singing or whatever - intended to direct them into whatever is the faith. And encourage adults to send their children along. Of course the decision to participate is, up to a certain age, with the parents (possibly under some social pressure); this doesn't detract from the point I was making.
    Pet Shop boys said it best:

    "At school they taught me how to be,
    So pure in thought and word and deed,
    They didn't quite succeed."

  • ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.

    How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"
    Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.

    I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
    I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.
    Last time I looked, Madrasahs (to pick just one religion) were a real actual thing. Whereas Atheistahs and Humanistahs are words I just made up.
    Dawkins ran a summer camp for children to teach them about his neo-atheist views.

    As I recall, it had to be cancelled for the second year because nobody wanted to go on it.

    You also get various pressure groups coming into schools to lecture children and try to push them towards their worldview. Animal rights activists are the most common, but you do get gay rights groups as well. Most disturbingly, I once had to attend a talk by a group very anxious to legalise all drugs.
    I thought there was a problem with students not wanting to hear a range of opinions?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.

    How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"
    Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.

    I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
    I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.
    Last time I looked, Madrasahs (to pick just one religion) were a real actual thing. Whereas Atheistahs and Humanistahs are words I just made up.
    Dawkins ran a summer camp for children to teach them about his neo-atheist views.

    As recall, it had to be cancelled for the second year because nobody wanted to go on it.

    You also get various pressure groups coming into schools to lecture children and try to push them towards their worldview. Animal rights activists are the most common, but you do get gay rights groups as well. Most disturbingly, I once had to attend a talk by a group very anxious to legalise all drugs.
    We'd the Anti-Vivisection League turn up at my school and given a whole double PE period to preach/recruit. I presume one of the PE staff were members. Our sex education was delivered by a lady from Tampax... clearly none of the regular staff fancied doing it.
  • Apparently the ISIS inspired stabbing could have been a lot lot worse, but an off duty police officer was attacked and managed to take him down while being attacked.

    Attacker is allegedly from Somali. Apparently, 11 people have in the past few months have been charged with terrorist offences in Twin Cities.

    We all know what Trump is going to say.

    Do you blame him. Attacks like that in the US are much more likely to fail because the odds are someone in the crowd will have a gun on them and take out David. Hillary wants to end that.
  • My current favourite piece of non-reporting reporting:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37403875

    "The attacker, who was dressed in a security uniform and reportedly made references to Allah, was shot dead by an off-duty police officer on Saturday."

    A bit of passing chit-chat whilst he was being taken down maybe? "I had that Allah in the back of my cab once...."

    More likely the BBC hasn't got a reporter anywhere near Minnesota, and the FBI statement did not mention it, so the BBC is reporting third hand. Ironically then, the BBC is going further in the direction you claim to want in order to make the link with Islamism.
  • DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.

    How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"
    Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.

    I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
    I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.
    I think you are splitting hairs. Most religions organise formal outside-school classes for kids that include a mix of doctrine and fun activities - singing or whatever - intended to direct them into whatever is the faith. And encourage adults to send their children along. Of course the decision to participate is, up to a certain age, with the parents (possibly under some social pressure); this doesn't detract from the point I was making.
    Pet Shop boys said it best:

    "At school they taught me how to be,
    So pure in thought and word and deed,
    They didn't quite succeed."
    Sting went to the same school. Perhaps the music teacher should get a medal ... or shot. :)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,561

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.

    How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"
    Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.

    I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
    I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.
    Last time I looked, Madrasahs (to pick just one religion) were a real actual thing. Whereas Atheistahs and Humanistahs are words I just made up.
    Dawkins ran a summer camp for children to teach them about his neo-atheist views.

    As I recall, it had to be cancelled for the second year because nobody wanted to go on it.

    You also get various pressure groups coming into schools to lecture children and try to push them towards their worldview. Animal rights activists are the most common, but you do get gay rights groups as well. Most disturbingly, I once had to attend a talk by a group very anxious to legalise all drugs.
    I thought there was a problem with students not wanting to hear a range of opinions?
    Children in my experience are very open to considering all views.

    They can however spot pseuds or agenda pushers at half a mile. This is why agnostics make the best RS teachers and dogmatists of any creed (including secularists) make very bad ones.
  • Apparently the ISIS inspired stabbing could have been a lot lot worse, but an off duty police officer was attacked and managed to take him down while being attacked.

    Attacker is allegedly from Somali. Apparently, 11 people have in the past few months have been charged with terrorist offences in Twin Cities.

    We all know what Trump is going to say.

    Do you blame him. Attacks like that in the US are much more likely to fail because the odds are someone in the crowd will have a gun on them and take out David. Hillary wants to end that.
    How many violent deaths in the UK would be prevented each year if we had unfettered access to guns, do you estimate?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Apparently the ISIS inspired stabbing could have been a lot lot worse, but an off duty police officer was attacked and managed to take him down while being attacked.

    Attacker is allegedly from Somali. Apparently, 11 people have in the past few months have been charged with terrorist offences in Twin Cities.

    We all know what Trump is going to say.

    Do you blame him. Attacks like that in the US are much more likely to fail because the odds are someone in the crowd will have a gun on them and take out David. Hillary wants to end that.
    The St Clouds mall was No Guns - it was only the off-duty cop who had been allowed to keep his.

    IIRC the gay nightclub was also gun free. It certainly helps to pick a soft target full of unarmed crowds.

    Police have arrested 5 so far - a car full of men.

    Reports I've seen so far have sources saying the pressure cooker bombs are much more sophisticated than the usual domestic nutter stuff [black powder pipe].

    These two were remote detonation - with shrapnel - explosive mix of ammonia/aluminium powder and something called Tannerite, which I gather is used for tree root type blasting jobs.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,664

    My current favourite piece of non-reporting reporting:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37403875

    "The attacker, who was dressed in a security uniform and reportedly made references to Allah, was shot dead by an off-duty police officer on Saturday."

    A bit of passing chit-chat whilst he was being taken down maybe? "I had that Allah in the back of my cab once...."

    More likely the BBC hasn't got a reporter anywhere near Minnesota, and the FBI statement did not mention it, so the BBC is reporting third hand. Ironically then, the BBC is going further in the direction you claim to want in order to make the link with Islamism.
    The American media are all calling it terrorism and referring to an FBI official.
  • PlatoSaid said:

    My current favourite piece of non-reporting reporting:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37403875

    "The attacker, who was dressed in a security uniform and reportedly made references to Allah, was shot dead by an off-duty police officer on Saturday."

    A bit of passing chit-chat whilst he was being taken down maybe? "I had that Allah in the back of my cab once...."

    :lol:

    I've been wading through comments under various NYC bombing articles - and it's about 90% critical of the media non-reporting/misleading/treating us like children. It's reassuring that this recent fashion for infantalising the public isn't going down well anywhere.

    Hopefully, they'll stop patronising us soon - the piss taking is making a mockery of them. NYT readers were particularly indignant.
    Trump must be laughing so much he is near wetting himself
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,747
    "I Used to Be a Human Being
    An endless bombardment of news and gossip and images has rendered us manic information addicts. It broke me. It might break you, too.
    By Andrew Sullivan"


    http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/09/andrew-sullivan-technology-almost-killed-me.html
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