He told a story in his autobiography (yes somebody really did commision one) of 20 years ago, where he was in Holland and claimed a homeless guy attacked him with a knife and he fought him off and threw him in the canal.
Talk about incriminating oneself, though finding evidence is going to be pretty tough.
Unless they pulled someone out. I wonder how long fingerprints would last on a submerged knife? And there might be CCTV.
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
New report out today by Centre for Cities shows that most UK cities are below the European average in terms of productivity. You can also see this in standard of living stats.
In other words, outside London and it's hinterland the country is approx at East German or West Polish levels of development.
We are in effect a below average country with a world city attached to it.
Very obvious on this chart:
For starters the South comprises almost half the UK population and some areas of Scotland and patches of the North are also pretty productive. London has a higher GVA than anywhere in Europe and much of western Europe gravitates to it let alone those in the UK. Obviously the UK is an above average country in global terms in GVA even without London and probably in terms of Europe as a whole once you include the likes of Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and Portugal though maybe less so when looking at just western Europe
He told a story in his autobiography (yes somebody really did commision one) of 20 years ago, where he was in Holland and claimed a homeless guy attacked him with a knife and he fought him off and threw him in the canal.
Talk about incriminating oneself, though finding evidence is going to be pretty tough.
Unless they pulled someone out. I wonder how long fingerprints would last on a submerged knife? And there might be CCTV.
New report out today by Centre for Cities shows that most UK cities are below the European average in terms of productivity. You can also see this in standard of living stats.
In other words, outside London and it's hinterland the country is approx at East German or West Polish levels of development.
We are in effect a below average country with a world city attached to it.
Very obvious on this chart:
For starters the South comprises almost half the UK population and some areas of Scotland and patches of the North are also pretty productive. London has a higher GVA than anywhere in Europe and much of western Europe gravitates to it let alone those in the UK. Obviously the UK is an above average country in global terms in GVA even without London and probably in terms of Europe as a whole once you include the likes of Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and Portugal though maybe less so when looking at just western Europe
New report out today by Centre for Cities shows that most UK cities are below the European average in terms of productivity. You can also see this in standard of living stats.
In other words, outside London and it's hinterland the country is approx at East German or West Polish levels of development.
We are in effect a below average country with a world city attached to it.
Very obvious on this chart:
For starters the South comprises almost half the UK population and some areas of Scotland and patches of the North are also pretty productive. London has a higher GVA than anywhere in Europe and much of western Europe gravitates to it let alone those in the UK. Obviously the UK is an above average country in global terms in GVA even without London and probably in terms of Europe as a whole once you include the likes of Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and Portugal though maybe less so when looking at just western Europe
Indeed, so Inner London is now the Manhattan of Europe and the rest of the UK is about the EU average. Hardly a 'below average country's then
Think you need to look at your own chart again.
No, he's correct.
No he's not.
Remove London, and it's hinterland - the SE. The great majority of the rest is shaded purple and pink, which signifies less than 100 (ie average).
It mystifies me why people want to downplay this. If anything, its an argument for Brexit given that the previous model so obviously hasn't worked for at least 50pc of the country.
This site is social media and hasnt been destroyed.
The problem with twitter is that it is like the old usenet, not moderated so becomes who shouts loudest and longest.
It does show why if there is an afterlife a heaven and hell is inevitable. Life is bearable here because we are constrained by time and space. The internet with immediate response compromises this and , without firewalls and moderators idiots and trolls ruin it.
So if there is an eternal afterlife where we are not subject to the restrictions of time and space it would be unbearable if idiots and trolls were not penned in and segregated incommunicado in a separate place (generally known as hell).
The major religions all say that we get a life here, limited by time and space, so that it can be worked out who the idiots and trolls are and them placed accordingly in the next world.
The core problem with twitter is it is a terrible product that hasn't really evolved since it was launched.
And they still have no idea how it will ever make money. Their business plan was clearly to be taken over and sell their massive user base, but they've turned down several massive ($10bns) offers now and are in danger of being overtaken by the technology and competitors.
Oh yeah. I also believe that their analytics are far inferior to the likes of Facebook, who can tell potential advertisers how many 24 years old in Bognor Regis eat jacket potato once a week....
I believe in addition to not selling, apparently they are really really crap / dumb when it comes to interacting with "stars". They basically just verify them and that is about it, and stars then just use it as a means to plug their own endorsements.
The top dozen or so Twitter accounts, in terms of numbers of followers, are all music artists. Yet Twitter itself doesn't have any way of generating revenue from those accounts. F book or YouTube are putting ads all over them and 'revenue sharing' with the artist, i.e. keeping a load of the revenue for themselves!
He told a story in his autobiography (yes somebody really did commision one) of 20 years ago, where he was in Holland and claimed a homeless guy attacked him with a knife and he fought him off and threw him in the canal.
Talk about incriminating oneself, though finding evidence is going to be pretty tough.
Unless they pulled someone out. I wonder how long fingerprints would last on a submerged knife? And there might be CCTV.
which canal do they dredge if he keeps quiet?
TBH My assumption was that they already had a body from way back when and had just never solved the case.
There may be issues with reliability but part of the problem would seem to be that poorer areas in the EU like southern spain etc. are only able to create the higher paid jobs and have much higher unemployment, whereas we - outside the constraints imposed by Euro Membership have been able to keep less skilled workers employed at wages commensurate with their abilities.
Ie those yellow dots are actually a sucess story.
Brexit Britain: Poor and thick but at least they've got jobs?
It's better to have a job than not to have one.
Indeed and the productivity figures in france may well be skewed by the huge employment taxes and difficulty in making people redundant stopping people setting up businesses that would be viable here and those that do employing as few as possible and automating as much as possible.
No hand car washes over there
If our system works so well for ordinary people, why wreck it with Brexit?
Because we have run out of space and we cant afford to allow a bloc of 300 million people who are virtually incapable of creating jobs for young people to keep exporting them over here instead of reforming the way they run themselves.
If France are willing to cede Normandy, Pas de Calais and Aquitaine back to their rightful owner, Her Majesty The Queen, and so give us a decent bit of space for further expansion I might reconsider whether the deal stacks up vs loss of sovereignty.
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Not once you include Eastern Europe too as you have to now as most of it is in the EU and of course the Home Counties right up to Hampshire all benefit from the wealth of London
This site is social media and hasnt been destroyed.
The problem with twitter is that it is like the old usenet, not moderated so becomes who shouts loudest and longest.
It does show why if there is an afterlife a heaven and hell is inevitable. Life is bearable here because we are constrained by time and space. The internet with immediate response compromises this and , without firewalls and moderators idiots and trolls ruin it.
So if there is an eternal afterlife where we are not subject to the restrictions of time and space it would be unbearable if idiots and trolls were not penned in and segregated incommunicado in a separate place (generally known as hell).
The major religions all say that we get a life here, limited by time and space, so that it can be worked out who the idiots and trolls are and them placed accordingly in the next world.
The core problem with twitter is it is a terrible product that hasn't really evolved since it was launched.
And they still have no idea how it will ever make money. Their business plan was clearly to be taken over and sell their massive user base, but they've turned down several massive ($10bns) offers now and are in danger of being overtaken by the technology and competitors.
Oh yeah. I also believe that their analytics are far inferior to the likes of Facebook, who can tell potential advertisers how many 24 years old in Bognor Regis eat jacket potato once a week....
I believe in addition to not selling, apparently they are really really crap / dumb when it comes to interacting with "stars". They basically just verify them and that is about it, and stars then just use it as a means to plug their own endorsements.
The top dozen or so Twitter accounts, in terms of numbers of followers, are all music artists. Yet Twitter itself doesn't have any way of generating revenue from those accounts. F book or YouTube are putting ads all over them and 'revenue sharing' with the artist, i.e. keeping a load of the revenue for themselves!
I just don't understand why Twitter doesn't do this and start monetising by linking to Amazon downloads etc... for media that is shared or talked about.
New report out today by Centre for Cities shows that most UK cities are below the European average in terms of productivity. You can also see this in standard of living stats.
In other words, outside London and it's hinterland the country is approx at East German or West Polish levels of development.
We are in effect a below average country with a world city attached to it.
Very obvious on this chart:
For starters the South comprises almost half the UK population and some areas of Scotland and patches of the North are also pretty productive. London has a higher GVA than anywhere in Europe and much of western Europe gravitates to it let alone those in the UK. Obviously the UK is an above average country in global terms in GVA even without London and probably in terms of Europe as a whole once you include the likes of Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and Portugal though maybe less so when looking at just western Europe
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Higher paid jobs for the lucky ones at a cst of 10% unemployment and 25-50% youth u employment?
This site is social media and hasnt been destroyed.
The problem with twitter is that it is like the old usenet, not moderated so becomes who shouts loudest and longest.
It does show why if there is an afterlife a heaven and hell is inevitable. Life is bearable here because we are constrained by time and space. The internet with immediate response compromises this and , without firewalls and moderators idiots and trolls ruin it.
So if there is an eternal afterlife where we are not subject to the restrictions of time and space it would be unbearable if idiots and trolls were not penned in and segregated incommunicado in a separate place (generally known as hell).
The major religions all say that we get a life here, limited by time and space, so that it can be worked out who the idiots and trolls are and them placed accordingly in the next world.
The meaning of life explained - it's an interview.
This site is social media and hasnt been destroyed.
The problem with twitter is that it is like the old usenet, not moderated so becomes who shouts loudest and longest.
It does show why if there is an afterlife a heaven and hell is inevitable. Life is bearable here because we are constrained by time and space. The internet with immediate response compromises this and , without firewalls and moderators idiots and trolls ruin it.
So if there is an eternal afterlife where we are not subject to the restrictions of time and space it would be unbearable if idiots and trolls were not penned in and segregated incommunicado in a separate place (generally known as hell).
The major religions all say that we get a life here, limited by time and space, so that it can be worked out who the idiots and trolls are and them placed accordingly in the next world.
The core problem with twitter is it is a terrible product that hasn't really evolved since it was launched.
And they still have no idea how it will ever make money. Their business plan was clearly to be taken over and sell their massive user base, but they've turned down several massive ($10bns) offers now and are in danger of being overtaken by the technology and competitors.
Oh yeah. I also believe that their analytics are far inferior to the likes of Facebook, who can tell potential advertisers how many 24 years old in Bognor Regis eat jacket potato once a week....
I believe in addition to not selling, apparently they are really really crap / dumb when it comes to interacting with "stars". They basically just verify them and that is about it, and stars then just use it as a means to plug their own endorsements.
The top dozen or so Twitter accounts, in terms of numbers of followers, are all music artists. Yet Twitter itself doesn't have any way of generating revenue from those accounts. F book or YouTube are putting ads all over them and 'revenue sharing' with the artist, i.e. keeping a load of the revenue for themselves!
I just don't understand why Twitter doesn't do this and start monetising by linking to Amazon downloads etc... for media that is shared or talked about.
Presumably Amazon would have something to say about that. I doubt they'd let someone as big as Twitter just sign up as an affiliate.
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Not once you include Eastern Europe too as you have to now as most of it is in the EU and of course the Home Counties right up to Hampshire all benefit from the wealth of London
I'm sorry to persist, but the chart in question includes Eastern Europe.
I've also said, remove London and the SE, from the equation.
Ha! I'm not going to reveal my age but am not an old crone and my father was born in 1913.
I have a wonderful photo of him aged 1 in July 1914 on the beach at Youghal in the arms of his impeccably dressed Edwardian father, smiling in the sunshine with not a care in the world and oblivious of what would be unleashed on Europe shortly and Ireland specifically shortly thereafter.
How different my world is let alone the one his grandchildren will grow up in.
And yet the same old questions: how to live a good life, how to care for our neighbours, how to leave a better world behind us.
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Higher paid jobs for the lucky ones at a cst of 10% unemployment and 25-50% youth u employment?
I think I understand why some on here would rather ignore the sad reality. It's because in some sense, we perform worse than our European peers, and it therefore questions a certain view of the world, one in which the UK us untold strengths to power its post Brexit world.
Would it make a difference if the comparator nations were the US, or Canada, or Japan?
We are - outside the amazing a phenomenon of London - a lagging country.
Sad, but true. And the first step towards fixing it is acknowledging the problem.
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Not once you include Eastern Europe too as you have to now as most of it is in the EU and of course the Home Counties right up to Hampshire all benefit from the wealth of London
I'm sorry to persist, but the chart in question includes Eastern Europe.
I've also said, remove London and the SE, from the equation.
So you are just completely wrong.
No you are wrong as look at Poland, Romania and Bulgaria which all have plenty of pink areas, i.e. the lowest GVA, the UK does not have any. How on earth can you exclude London and the South East either? That is like excluding Paris from France or Rome from Italy, in fact even more so given London is now one of the 3 greatest cities on the planet alongside New York and Tokyo
Presumably Amazon would have something to say about that. I doubt they'd let someone as big as Twitter just sign up as an affiliate.
I doubt it, with the amount of traffic being generated and additional revenue Twitter could probably negotiate a favourable revenue share. It's either that or plaster pages with advertising and make money from that, though I'm not sure how well that model will hold up on desktop usage. Should be better for people using the app. Then again, if One Direction share their latest music video on Twitter and take a share of the advertising revenue plus a YouTube style per stream addition, I'm not sure how that will be different to YouTube who are better integrated for music videos and have playlist abilities.
All in all, I don't know how they can make money over the long term, it's also why I'm not invested in TWTR.
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Not once you include Eastern Europe too as you have to now as most of it is in the EU and of course the Home Counties right up to Hampshire all benefit from the wealth of London
I'm sorry to persist, but the chart in question includes Eastern Europe.
I've also said, remove London and the SE, from the equation.
So you are just completely wrong.
No you are wrong as look at Poland, Romania and Bulgaria which all have plenty of pink areas, i.e. the lowest GVA, the UK does not have any. How on earth can you exclude London and the South East either? That is like excluding Paris from France or Rome from Italy, in fact even more so given London is now one of the 3 greatest cities on the planet alongside New York and Tokyo
The pinkest areas are below 75pc of average. I am not arguing that we are worse than rural Romania. Simply that we are below average, excepting London + SE.
Of course I agree that London is streets ahead. But I also care and worry about the 50pc of the country that live outside the SE.
Why shouldn't Birmingham take its place as a great Midlands capital? Why shouldn't Liverpool seek the same quality of living as Hamburg? Great cities -- in great regions -- but badly lagging behind.
The second case is the abuse in Rotherham or other cities which have suffered. In these cases children who were usually white, in care or had inattentive parents were abused on an industrial scale by local men, usually of Pakistani or Afghanistani background. In order to understand this crime we must look at the motivations of these men, it is different to that of the church where priests were using positions of authority to abuse children and cover up their crimes. The motivation is intrinsically linked to the values system many Muslims adhere to, it places a lesser value on women and non-Muslims. These men, in their own eyes, were not committing criminal acts, instead they were doing nothing more than partaking in recreational activities. That to me is absolutely disgusting, the lower value attached to certain kinds of people has twisted their brains into thinking this is acceptable, and it would be in certain parts of the nations from which they or their families originate. The fact that the local authorities did nothing to stop the criminals and in some cases helped cover up the crimes is something that needs tackling, with immediate effect. These men were able to act with impunity because the authorities (social services, police, local politicians) turned a blind eye to their criminality, anyone who did so should spend as much time in prison as the perpetrators.
Two examples of mass abuse with two different motivations. I would say the first example is easier to solve and police as we have systems in place in other walks of life to discover and deal with similar cases. The latter will requires careful thinking and far, far better education of young Muslim boys/men so that they do not place a lesser value on women/girls and non-Muslims. Intervention at a very early stage is necessary or we won't be able to eliminate this kind of crime and anything we do will be reactive.
Nicely thought out but imo largely irrelevant. They both did it because the sadistic gratification from which they benefitted far outweighed the punishment (none) which they suffered. Thus their actions were reinforced.
If you don't believe me, adopt zero tolerance policing, and see if the cultural values you ascribe so much importance to continue to produce the same behaviour.
Looking at how Hillary is clearly under performing against expectations, would the democrats actually have been better off going with Bernie?
If so, that probably strengthens Momentum's hand - Hillary is the Owen Smith/Ed Miliabnd candidate, if she loses, and polls continue to consistently show Bernie would've won - do the old electable arguments apply?
Back in 2001 Hague's eurosceptic campaign failed miserably, now it's gone mainstream. The overton window shifts right, it can also shift left. There's no rule that states left wing economic policies are doomed to failure in the UK. I think Momentum need to close down the unpatriotic/SJW/anti-western angle though (no trident, anti-Israel, prioritizing inter-sectional feminism etc) to get a hearing on the inequality/economic front though.
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Not once you include Eastern Europe too as you have to now as most of it is in the EU and of course the Home Counties right up to Hampshire all benefit from the wealth of London
I'm sorry to persist, but the chart in question includes Eastern Europe.
I've also said, remove London and the SE, from the equation.
So you are just completely wrong.
No you are wrong as look at Poland, Romania and Bulgaria which all have plenty of pink areas, i.e. the lowest GVA, the UK does not have any. How on earth can you exclude London and the South East either? That is like excluding Paris from France or Rome from Italy, in fact even more so given London is now one of the 3 greatest cities on the planet alongside New York and Tokyo
The pinkest areas are below 75pc of average. I am not arguing that we are worse than rural Romania. Simply that we are below average, excepting London + SE.
Of course I agree that London is streets ahead. But I also care and worry about the 50pc of the country that live outside the SE.
Why shouldn't Birmingham take its place as a great Midlands capital? Why shouldn't Liverpool seek the same quality of living as Hamburg? Great cities -- in great regions -- but badly lagging behind.
No we are not below average as you have to include the likes of Bulgaria and Romania when you compare us to the EU. Germany is slightly larger than the UK but does not have a world city which is why I have German friends working in London but know fewer Brits in German cities, if you outsourced half of London to Birmingham and Liverpool it would no longer be a world city. It is as simple as that
New report out today by Centre for Cities shows that most UK cities are below the European average in terms of productivity. You can also see this in standard of living stats.
In other words, outside London and it's hinterland the country is approx at East German or West Polish levels of development.
We are in effect a below average country with a world city attached to it.
Very obvious on this chart:
For starters the South comprises almost half the UK population and some areas of Scotland and patches of the North are also pretty productive. London has a higher GVA than anywhere in Europe and much of western Europe gravitates to it let alone those in the UK. Obviously the UK is an above average country in global terms in GVA even without London and probably in terms of Europe as a whole once you include the likes of Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and Portugal though maybe less so when looking at just western Europe
Indeed, so Inner London is now the Manhattan of Europe and the rest of the UK is about the EU average. Hardly a 'below average country's then
Think you need to look at your own chart again.
No, he's correct.
No he's not.
Remove London, and it's hinterland - the SE. The great majority of the rest is shaded purple and pink, which signifies less than 100 (ie average).
It mystifies me why people want to downplay this. If anything, its an argument for Brexit given that the previous model so obviously hasn't worked for at least 50pc of the country.
What really annoys me about that chart is the French cities are killing us. THE FRENCH! Unacceptable.
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Not once you include Eastern Europe too as you have to now as most of it is in the EU and of course the Home Counties right up to Hampshire all benefit from the wealth of London
I'm sorry to persist, but the chart in question includes Eastern Europe.
I've also said, remove London and the SE, from the equation.
So you are just completely wrong.
No you are wrong as look at Poland, Romania and Bulgaria which all have plenty of pink areas, i.e. the lowest GVA, the UK does not have any. How on earth can you exclude London and the South East either? That is like excluding Paris from France or Rome from Italy, in fact even more so given London is now one of the 3 greatest cities on the planet alongside New York and Tokyo
The pinkest areas are below 75pc of average. I am not arguing that we are worse than rural Romania. Simply that we are below average, excepting London + SE.
Of course I agree that London is streets ahead. But I also care and worry about the 50pc of the country that live outside the SE.
Why shouldn't Birmingham take its place as a great Midlands capital? Why shouldn't Liverpool seek the same quality of living as Hamburg? Great cities -- in great regions -- but badly lagging behind.
No we are not below average as you have to include the likes of Bulgaria and Romania when you compare us to the EU. Germany is slightly larger than the UK but does not have a world city which is why I have German friends working in London but know fewer Brits in German cities, if you outsourced half of London to Birmingham and Liverpool it would no longer be a world city. It is as simple as that
Yes, UK ex London and SE is below average, and that average includes Bulgaria and Romania.
There are fewer Brits in Germany than vice versa partly because London is the only true world city in Europe, and because most Brits don't speak German.
I wouldn't be surprised if another 100k signatures are found to overturn this capitulation.
It doesn't bode well for us.
Although someone will be along in a minute to tell me why our negotiating power makes Switzerland look like Monaco.
Given the very large expat community in Switzerland, one would have thought they had even greater argument for control than the UK.
The cultural change must be significant.
The next Swiss elections are in 2019 they will hold off and see what deal we get but the likes of Wilders, the Afd and Le Pen and 5☆ are also looming in the background too, immigration has not gone away as an issue for the EU and it is not just the UK that is concerned
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There is something seriously wrong in media land...?
You don't understand GBBO going to CH4 is the biggest scandal since phone hacking. It has Murdoch and the Tories it can blame for this tragedy, double whammy.
I wouldn't be surprised if another 100k signatures are found to overturn this capitulation.
It doesn't bode well for us.
Although someone will be along in a minute to tell me why our negotiating power makes Switzerland look like Monaco.
Given the very large expat community in Switzerland, one would have thought they had even greater argument for control than the UK.
The cultural change must be significant.
The next Swiss elections are in 2019 they will hold off and see what deal we get but the likes of Wilders, the Afd and Le Pen and 5☆ are also looming in the background too, immigration has not gone away as an issue for the EU and it is not just the UK that is concerned
This FOM thing is a noose around the EU's neck.
When will someone in "mainstream" France or Germany call it out as something no longer sustainable across all of Europe?
I happen to think it has enriched the UK hugely, but democratically it cannot be supported.
I wouldn't be surprised if another 100k signatures are found to overturn this capitulation.
It doesn't bode well for us.
Although someone will be along in a minute to tell me why our negotiating power makes Switzerland look like Monaco.
Given the very large expat community in Switzerland, one would have thought they had even greater argument for control than the UK.
The cultural change must be significant.
As I said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the people vote to overturn the decision. I think, much like Brexit was for so many, it isn't about the money. Especially if the EU tries to force ECJ jurisdiction onto them, the people voted down membership on that's basis and EEA membership as well after the government spent years working on drawing up the agreement.
I think the people are ready to accept a reduction in GDP to restrict EU migration and international relations damage to tell non-EU migrants to bugger off.
All in all, I think the decision is the same here, enough people are willing to accept a lesser GDP in order to be independent of the EU. I think a lot of EUphiles don't understand that, not saying you don't, as you mention, the Swiss people have a strong reason to want control of their immigration numbers.
Just to wade into the argument about productivity, the reason we have lower productivity than in Europe is because our unproductive people are in work while in the EU they aren't.
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Not once you include Eastern Europe too as you have to now as most of it is in the EU and of course the Home Counties right up to Hampshire all benefit from the wealth of London
I'm sorry to persist, but the chart in question includes Eastern Europe.
I've also said, remove London and the SE, from the equation.
So you are just completely wrong.
No you are wrong as look at Poland, Romania and Bulgaria which all have plenty of pink areas, i.e. the lowest GVA, the UK does not have any. How on earth can you exclude London and the South East either? That is like excluding Paris from France or Rome from Italy, in fact even more so given London is now one of the 3 greatest cities on the planet alongside New York and Tokyo
The pinkest areas are below 75pc of average. I am not arguing that we are worse than rural Romania. Simply that we are below average, excepting London + SE.
Of course I agree that London is streets ahead. But I also care and worry about the 50pc of the country that live outside the SE.
Why shouldn't Birmingham take its place as a great Midlands capital? Why shouldn't Liverpool seek the same quality of living as Hamburg? Great cities -- in great regions -- but badly lagging behind.
No we are not below average as you have to include the likes of Bulgaria and Romania when you compare us to the EU. Germany is slightly larger than the UK but does not have a world city which is why I have German friends working in London but know fewer Brits in German cities, if you outsourced half of London to Birmingham and Liverpool it would no longer be a world city. It is as simple as that
Yes, UK ex London and SE is below average, and that average includes Bulgaria and Romania.
There are fewer Brits in Germany than vice versa partly because London is the only true world city in Europe, and because most Brits don't speak German.
I'm not arguing to outsource London.
I'm not sure what your argument is, to be honest.
The UK includes London and the SE so you cannot exclude them. I am afraid if you want the UK to become more like other western EU nations you would have to outsource much of London to the North and Midlands but that would mean Europe let alone the UK loses its major world city
I wouldn't be surprised if another 100k signatures are found to overturn this capitulation.
It doesn't bode well for us.
Although someone will be along in a minute to tell me why our negotiating power makes Switzerland look like Monaco.
Given the very large expat community in Switzerland, one would have thought they had even greater argument for control than the UK.
The cultural change must be significant.
The next Swiss elections are in 2019 they will hold off and see what deal we get but the likes of Wilders, the Afd and Le Pen and 5☆ are also looming in the background too, immigration has not gone away as an issue for the EU and it is not just the UK that is concerned
This FOM thing is a noose around the EU's neck.
When will someone in "mainstream" France or Germany call it out as something no longer sustainable across all of Europe?
I happen to think it has enriched the UK hugely, but democratically it cannot be supported.
If Sarkozy faces Le Pen in the French run off next year as polls suggest is increasingly likely it may happen, Sarkozy has already promised to overhaul Schengen
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Not once you include Eastern Europe too as you have to now as most of it is in the EU and of course the Home Counties right up to Hampshire all benefit from the wealth of London
I'm sorry to persist, but the chart in question includes Eastern Europe.
I've also said, remove London and the SE, from the equation.
So you are just completely wrong.
No you are wrong as look at Poland, Romania and Bulgaria which all have plenty of pink areas, i.e. the lowest GVA, the UK does not have any. How on earth can you exclude London and the South East either? That is like excluding Paris from France or Rome from Italy, in fact even more so given London is now one of the 3 greatest cities on the planet alongside New York and Tokyo
The pinkest areas are below 75pc of average. I am not arguing that we are worse than rural Romania. Simply that we are below average, excepting London + SE.
Of course I agree that London is streets ahead. But I also care and worry about the 50pc of the country that live outside the SE.
Why shouldn't Birmingham take its place as a great Midlands capital? Why shouldn't Liverpool seek the same quality of living as Hamburg? Great cities -- in great regions -- but badly lagging behind.
No we arethat
Yes, UKn.
I'm not sure what your argument is, to be honest.
The UK includes London and the SE so you cannot exclude them. I am afraid if you want the UK to become more like other western EU bations you would have to outsource London to the north and Midlandsbut that would mean Europe let alone the UK loses its major world city
I exclude them because I want to point out that in the rest of the country, living standards are below the EU average.
I think it's a national scandal, and seldom talked about or even acknowledged. And -- who wants to be beaten by the *French*?
I don't think you need to destroy London to address matters (although perhaps both macro and micro levers need to be shifted relatively against London in that it has profited so greatly under the status quo).
Looking at how Hillary is clearly under performing against expectations, would the democrats actually have been better off going with Bernie?
Absolutely. Anyone but Hillary or Donald would be in line for a landslide victory.
I'm not so sure.
The media environment in the US is brutal - Bernie would have been absolutely crucified from the moment he won the nomination, the GOP would have rallied around trump much quicker - and the electoral map would have looked quite different.
Trump less competitive in the rust belt, more competitive in the moderately wealthy blue states.
Surburban America's version of Worcester woman would go Trump vs. Bernie.
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Not once you include Eastern Europe too as you have to now as most of it is in the EU and of course the Home Counties right up to Hampshire all benefit from the wealth of London
I'm sorry to persist, but the chart in question includes Eastern Europe.
I've also said, remove London and the SE, from the equation.
So you are just completely wrong.
No you are wrong as look at Poland, Romania and Bulgaria which all have plenty of pink areas, i.e. the lowest GVA, the UK does not have any. How on earth can you exclude London and the South East either? That is like excluding Paris from France or Rome from Italy, in fact even more so given London is now one of the 3 greatest cities on the planet alongside New York and Tokyo
The pinkest areas are below 75pc of average. I am not arguing that we are worse than rural Romania. Simply that we are below average, excepting London + SE.
Of course I agree that London is streets ahead. But I also care and worry about the 50pc of the country that live outside the SE.
Why shouldn't Birmingham take its place as a great Midlands capital? Why shouldn't Liverpool seek the same quality of living as Hamburg? Great cities -- in great regions -- but badly lagging behind.
Yes, UK ex London and SE is below average, and that average includes Bulgaria and Romania.
There are fewer Brits in Germany than vice versa partly because London is the only true world city in Europe, and because most Brits don't speak German.
I'm not arguing to outsource London.
I'm not sure what your argument is, to be honest.
The UK includes London and the SE so you cannot exclude them. I am afraid if you want the UK to become more like other western EU nations you would have to outsource much of London to the North and Midlands but that would mean Europe let alone the UK loses its major world city
I disagree, I think London could easily afford to outsource a lot of its business to other UK cities and still remain a world city.
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Not once you include Eastern Europe too as you have to now as most of it is in the EU and of course the Home Counties right up to Hampshire all benefit from the wealth of London
I'm sorry to persist, but the chart in question includes Eastern Europe.
I've also said, remove London and the SE, from the equation.
So you are just completely wrong.
No you are wrong as look at Poland, Romania ande New York and Tokyo
The pinkest areas are below 75pc of average. I am not arguing that we are worse than rural Romania. Simply that we are below average, excepting London + SE.
Of course I agree that London is streets ahead. But I also care and worry about the 50pc of the country that live outside the SE.
Why shouldn't Birmingham take its place as a great Midlands capital? Why shouldn't Liverpool seek the same quality of living as Hamburg? Great cities -- in great regions -- but badly lagging behind.
No we arethat
Yes, UKn.
I'm not sure what your argument is, to be honest.
The UK includes London and the SE so you cannot exclude them. I am afrses its major world city
I exclude them because I want to point out that in the rest of the country, living standards are below the EU average.
I think it's a national scandal, and seldom talked about or even acknowledged. And -- who wants to be beaten by the *French*?
I don't think you need to destroy London to address matters (although perhaps both macro and micro levers need to be shifted relatively against London in that it has profited so greatly under the status quo).
We have a higher GDP than France and a greater world city once you actually include our main asset i.e. London and its environs. Relatively speaking to strengthen Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham and their environs you have to shift business and culture from London to those cities weakening London in the process, that is the only way to do it. It would mean we have our wealth more evenly distributed but it would mean we no longer have a premier league global city, it would be a big price to pay
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Not once you include Eastern Europe too as you have to now as most of it is in the EU and of course the Home Counties right up to Hampshire all benefit from the wealth of London
I'm sorry to persist, but the chart in question includes Eastern Europe.
I've also said, remove London and the SE, from the equation.
So you are just completely wrong.
No you are wrong as look at Poland, Romania and Bulgaria which all have plenty of pink areas, i.e. the lowest GVA, the UK does not have any. How on earth can you exclude London and the South East either? That is like excluding Paris from France or Rome from Italy, in fact even more so given London is now one of the 3 greatest cities on the planet alongside New York and Tokyo
The pinkest areas are below 75pc of average. I am not arguing that we are worse than rural Romania. Simply that we are below average, excepting London + SE.
Of course I agree that London is streets ahead. But I also care and worry about the 50pc of the country that live outside the SE.
Why shouldn't Birmingham take its place as a great Midlands capital? Why shouldn't Liverpool seek the same quality of living as Hamburg? Great cities -- in great regions -- but badly lagging behind.
Yes, UK ex London and SE is below average, and that average includes Bulgaria and Romania.
There are fewer Brits in Germany than vice versa partly because London is the only true world city in Europe, and because most Brits don't speak German.
I'm not arguing to outsource London.
I'm not sure what your argument is, to be honest.
The UK includes London and the SE so you cannot exclude them. I am afraid if you want the UK to become more like other western EU nations you would have to outsource much of London to the North and Midlands but that would mean Europe let alone the UK loses its major world city
I disagree, I think London could easily afford to outsource a lot of its business to other UK cities and still remain a world city.
Not sufficiently to make a big difference and keep up with NYC and Tokyo
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Not once you include Eastern Europe too as you have to now as most of it is in the EU and of course the Home Counties right up to Hampshire all benefit from the wealth of London
I'm sorry to persist, but the chart in question includes Eastern Europe.
I've also said, remove London and the SE, from the equation.
So you are just completely wrong.
No you are wrong as look at Poland, Romania ande New York and Tokyo
No we arethat
Yes, UKn.
I'm not sure what your argument is, to be honest.
The UK includes London and the SE so you cannot exclude them. I am afrses its major world city
I exclude them because I want to point out that in the rest of the country, living standards are below the EU average.
I think it's a national scandal, and seldom talked about or even acknowledged. And -- who wants to be beaten by the *French*?
I don't think you need to destroy London to address matters (although perhaps both macro and micro levers need to be shifted relatively against London in that it has profited so greatly under the status quo).
We have a higher GDP than France and a greater world city once you actually include our main asset i.e. London and its environs. Relatively speaking to strengthen Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham and their environs you have to shift business and culture from London to those cities weakening London in the process, that is the only way to do it. It would mean we have our wealth more evenly distributed but it would mean we no longer have a premier league global city, it would be a big price to pay
Since when is growth a zero sum game?
Tokyo has not harmed Nagoya; New York is not to the detriment of Chicago.
You don't need to sacrifice London for the rest.
What you do need to do is invest heavily in infrastructure, and in selective but significant government support for relative regional strengths (like auto in the Midlands). And, you probably need to hold the exchange rate down to encourage industrial growth / import substitution.
The coalition govt tinkered with this, but it needs an emphatic push.
Rather, most parts of the U.K., outside Londonia, have a GDP (PPP) per capita between 75pc and 100pc of the European average.
Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
Not once you include Eastern Edon
I'm sorry to persist, but the chart in question includes Eastern Europe.
I've also said, remove London and the SE, from the equation.
So you are just completely wrong.
No you are wrong as look at Poland, Romania ande New York and Tokyo
No we arethat
Yes, UKn.
I'm not sure what your argument is, to be honest.
The UK includes London and the SE so you cannot exclude them. I am afrses its major world city
I exclude them because I want to point out that in the rest of the country, living standards are below the EU average.
I think it's a national scandal, and seldom talked about or even acknowledged. And -- who wants to be beaten by the *French*?
I don't think you need to destroy London to address matters (although perhaps both macro and micro levers need to be shifted relatively against London in that it has profited so greatly under the status quo).
We have a higher GDP than France and a greater world city once you actually include our main asset i.e. London and its environs. Relatively speaking to pay
Since when is growth a zero sum game?
Tokyo has not harmed Nagoya; New York is not to the detriment of Chicago.
You don't need to sacrifice London for the rest.
What you do need to do is invest heavily in infrastructure, and in selective but significant government support for relative regional strengths (like auto in the Midlands). And, you probably need to hold the exchange rate down to encourage industrial growth / import substitution.
The coalition govt tinkered with this, but it needs an emphatic push.
Japan has over double our population and the U.S. is the equivalent of Europe you cannot compare them to us. Though even in the US there are major problems in the rustbelt which explains the rise of Trump. There already is investment in infrastructure in the Midlands and still some manufacturing there even post Brexit but that is not going to change our regional divide nor is the exchange rate even with the current weakness of the £.
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Having a job is definitely better than not having a job, but our model is broken and we need to fix it. We should have higher aspirations for our country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jnQcbEGSpA
3 mins into the video.
Remove London, and it's hinterland - the SE.
The great majority of the rest is shaded purple and pink, which signifies less than 100 (ie average).
It mystifies me why people want to downplay this. If anything, its an argument for Brexit given that the previous model so obviously hasn't worked for at least 50pc of the country.
If France are willing to cede Normandy, Pas de Calais and Aquitaine back to their rightful owner, Her Majesty The Queen, and so give us a decent bit of space for further expansion I might reconsider whether the deal stacks up vs loss of sovereignty.
I've also said, remove London and the SE, from the equation.
So you are just completely wrong.
"Im under 50 and my Grandfather was born in 1890.
Might account for a lot
Ha! I'm not going to reveal my age but am not an old crone and my father was born in 1913.
I have a wonderful photo of him aged 1 in July 1914 on the beach at Youghal in the arms of his impeccably dressed Edwardian father, smiling in the sunshine with not a care in the world and oblivious of what would be unleashed on Europe shortly and Ireland specifically shortly thereafter.
How different my world is let alone the one his grandchildren will grow up in.
And yet the same old questions: how to live a good life, how to care for our neighbours, how to leave a better world behind us.
Would it make a difference if the comparator nations were the US, or Canada, or Japan?
We are - outside the amazing a phenomenon of London - a lagging country.
Sad, but true. And the first step towards fixing it is acknowledging the problem.
All in all, I don't know how they can make money over the long term, it's also why I'm not invested in TWTR.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/22/switzerland-votes-for-compromise-to-preserve-relations-with-eu
I am not arguing that we are worse than rural Romania. Simply that we are below average, excepting London + SE.
Of course I agree that London is streets ahead.
But I also care and worry about the 50pc of the country that live outside the SE.
Why shouldn't Birmingham take its place as a great Midlands capital? Why shouldn't Liverpool seek the same quality of living as Hamburg? Great cities -- in great regions -- but badly lagging behind.
If you don't believe me, adopt zero tolerance policing, and see if the cultural values you ascribe so much importance to continue to produce the same behaviour.
If so, that probably strengthens Momentum's hand - Hillary is the Owen Smith/Ed Miliabnd candidate, if she loses, and polls continue to consistently show Bernie would've won - do the old electable arguments apply?
Back in 2001 Hague's eurosceptic campaign failed miserably, now it's gone mainstream. The overton window shifts right, it can also shift left. There's no rule that states left wing economic policies are doomed to failure in the UK. I think Momentum need to close down the unpatriotic/SJW/anti-western angle though (no trident, anti-Israel, prioritizing inter-sectional feminism etc) to get a hearing on the inequality/economic front though.
Although someone will be along in a minute to tell me why our negotiating power makes Switzerland look like Monaco.
Given the very large expat community in Switzerland, one would have thought they had even greater argument for control than the UK.
The cultural change must be significant.
There are fewer Brits in Germany than vice versa partly because London is the only true world city in Europe, and because most Brits don't speak German.
I'm not arguing to outsource London.
I'm not sure what your argument is, to be honest.
BBC 2nd story – ‘Hundreds dead’ off Egypt coast - survivors
There is something seriously wrong in media land...?
When will someone in "mainstream" France or Germany call it out as something no longer sustainable across all of Europe?
I happen to think it has enriched the UK hugely, but democratically it cannot be supported.
I think the people are ready to accept a reduction in GDP to restrict EU migration and international relations damage to tell non-EU migrants to bugger off.
All in all, I think the decision is the same here, enough people are willing to accept a lesser GDP in order to be independent of the EU. I think a lot of EUphiles don't understand that, not saying you don't, as you mention, the Swiss people have a strong reason to want control of their immigration numbers.
Just to wade into the argument about productivity, the reason we have lower productivity than in Europe is because our unproductive people are in work while in the EU they aren't.
I think it's a national scandal, and seldom talked about or even acknowledged. And -- who wants to be beaten by the *French*?
I don't think you need to destroy London to address matters (although perhaps both macro and micro levers need to be shifted relatively against London in that it has profited so greatly under the status quo).
The media environment in the US is brutal - Bernie would have been absolutely crucified from the moment he won the nomination, the GOP would have rallied around trump much quicker - and the electoral map would have looked quite different.
Trump less competitive in the rust belt, more competitive in the moderately wealthy blue states.
Surburban America's version of Worcester woman would go Trump vs. Bernie.
Right now, she's going Clinton vs. Trump.
Tokyo has not harmed Nagoya; New York is not to the detriment of Chicago.
You don't need to sacrifice London for the rest.
What you do need to do is invest heavily in infrastructure, and in selective but significant government support for relative regional strengths (like auto in the Midlands). And, you probably need to hold the exchange rate down to encourage industrial growth / import substitution.
The coalition govt tinkered with this, but it needs an emphatic push.