I know, Yorkshire's reign as champions is over. Too bad it was that county that does not exist that took the title.
Proof that just because a county doesn't have a county council doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cheshire and IIRC Berkshire are other examples.
During the 2011 Census we had requests for data for Middlesex. I was in favour of politely pointing out that it doesn't exist. I was overruled.
Correctly. If you rely on county councils you end up with absurdities like Derby not being in Derbyshire.
Kansas City isn't in Kansas...
Oh, but it is! The actual conurbation straddles the state line. There is a Kansas City, MO, and a Kansas City, KS. The latter is the 3rd largest city in KS, and the 3rd largest city of the areas making up Kansas City metropolitan area.
KC KS is a new innovation. They used to be known as Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland - far more useful descriptors
"In October 1872, "old" Kansas City, Kansas, was incorporated"
"In March 1886, "new" Kansas City, Kansas, was formed through the consolidation of five municipalities: "old" Kansas City, Armstrong, Armourdale, Riverview, Wyandotte."
Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland are separate cities, but part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area, which includes both Kansas City MO and Kansas City KS
Did Schultz really say no single mrket access without free movement? Surely almost everyone has 'access' to the single market? Membership without free movement would obviously be a non-starter but what are they up to?
At most I suspect they are deliberately trying to confuse. You see it on this site everyday where people say access when what they are talking about is membership. Sometimes it is just sloppy thinking, sometimes, perhaps, it is just a subtle extension of project fear.
Looking around my study very little of the goodies have been made in the EU, save probably most of the books. The keyboard on which I type, the computers, the monitors, the Kindle, the phone, the printer have all been made in countries that are not members of the single market and which do not have a free trade agreement with the EU. Yet they were all bought here in the UK.
If you have any Apple products, then there is a fair chance they were "made" in the Hollyhill factory in Ireland*.
* "Made" is a relative term.
But, more seriously, there is a surprising amount of "stuff" that's made in Europe.
I don't touch Apple products, Mr. Robert. I can get good enough functionality from elsewhere a lot cheaper. I am of course aware that a lot of stuff is made in the EU and indeed in the UK. That wasn't the point of my post though as I am sure you are aware.
Membership of the single market is not needed to sell into it. Lots of countries manage to do that quite successfully and don't have to belong to the EEA or pay subscriptions or accept any sort of free movement of people arrangement to do so.
The list of European countries that shun the EU centred trade apparatus is very small and not a good precedent. We are geographically in Europe and will remain so. Trying to set up an independent trade zone in a group of one would be a hugely wasteful folly that could only appeal to a big government minded bureaucrat who wants to duplicate functions that are better off being shared.
I know, Yorkshire's reign as champions is over. Too bad it was that county that does not exist that took the title.
Proof that just because a county doesn't have a county council doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cheshire and IIRC Berkshire are other examples.
During the 2011 Census we had requests for data for Middlesex. I was in favour of politely pointing out that it doesn't exist. I was overruled.
Correctly. If you rely on county councils you end up with absurdities like Derby not being in Derbyshire.
Kansas City isn't in Kansas...
Oh, but it is! The actual conurbation straddles the state line. There is a Kansas City, MO, and a Kansas City, KS. The latter is the 3rd largest city in KS, and the 3rd largest city of the areas making up Kansas City metropolitan area.
KC KS is a new innovation. They used to be known as Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland - far more useful descriptors
"In October 1872, "old" Kansas City, Kansas, was incorporated"
"In March 1886, "new" Kansas City, Kansas, was formed through the consolidation of five municipalities: "old" Kansas City, Armstrong, Armourdale, Riverview, Wyandotte."
Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland are separate cities, but part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area, which includes both Kansas City MO and Kansas City KS
I would have voted UKIP in your constituency, even if that had let you in.
Anna is ruder about UKIP than I'd ever be
It is a fact in that new book which states that the more leftie you are the ruder you are about people in other parties. Since Sourby is further left than you, your comment fits.
How do you work out that Anna Soubry is further left than Nick?
Did Schultz really say no single mrket access without free movement? Surely almost everyone has 'access' to the single market? Membership without free movement would obviously be a non-starter but what are they up to?
At most I suspect they are deliberately trying to confuse. You see it on this site everyday where people say access when what they are talking about is membership. Sometimes it is just sloppy thinking, sometimes, perhaps, it is just a subtle extension of project fear.
Looking around my study very little of the goodies have been made in the EU, save probably most of the books. The keyboard on which I type, the computers, the monitors, the Kindle, the phone, the printer have all been made in countries that are not members of the single market and which do not have a free trade agreement with the EU. Yet they were all bought here in the UK.
If you have any Apple products, then there is a fair chance they were "made" in the Hollyhill factory in Ireland*.
* "Made" is a relative term.
But, more seriously, there is a surprising amount of "stuff" that's made in Europe.
I don't touch Apple products, Mr. Robert. I can get good enough functionality from elsewhere a lot cheaper. I am of course aware that a lot of stuff is made in the EU and indeed in the UK. That wasn't the point of my post though as I am sure you are aware.
Membership of the single market is not needed to sell into it. Lots of countries manage to do that quite successfully and don't have to belong to the EEA or pay subscriptions or accept any sort of free movement of people arrangement to do so.
The list of European countries that shun the EU centred trade apparatus is very small and not a good precedent. We are geographically in Europe and will remain so. Trying to set up an independent trade zone in a group of one would be a hugely wasteful folly that could only appeal to a big government minded bureaucrat who wants to duplicate functions that are better off being shared.
Where on earth I have said anything about setting up an independent trade zone? I merely point out what is clearly true; that it is possible to sell into the EU without being a member f it or accepting free movement of people or paying it subscriptions. Many successful countries do so. To go back to where I joined in, "Access to" the single market is not the same as "Membership of" the single market.
Like OGH I'm currently weighted towards Donald Trump. My reading is that he may well do ok in the debates and he is accordingly likely to shorten.
It may have been a strategy of his to get the mad racist stuff out there early to attract the kind of people it attracts, and play nice from here on in to help the people it offends, forget about it. A combination of that, and another Hillary health glitch, might put him in with a serious shout.
I know, Yorkshire's reign as champions is over. Too bad it was that county that does not exist that took the title.
Proof that just because a county doesn't have a county council doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cheshire and IIRC Berkshire are other examples.
During the 2011 Census we had requests for data for Middlesex. I was in favour of politely pointing out that it doesn't exist. I was overruled.
Correctly. If you rely on county councils you end up with absurdities like Derby not being in Derbyshire.
Kansas City isn't in Kansas...
Oh, but it is! The actual conurbation straddles the state line. There is a Kansas City, MO, and a Kansas City, KS. The latter is the 3rd largest city in KS, and the 3rd largest city of the areas making up Kansas City metropolitan area.
KC KS is a new innovation. They used to be known as Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland - far more useful descriptors
"In October 1872, "old" Kansas City, Kansas, was incorporated"
"In March 1886, "new" Kansas City, Kansas, was formed through the consolidation of five municipalities: "old" Kansas City, Armstrong, Armourdale, Riverview, Wyandotte."
Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland are separate cities, but part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area, which includes both Kansas City MO and Kansas City KS
I would have voted UKIP in your constituency, even if that had let you in.
Anna is ruder about UKIP than I'd ever be
It is a fact in that new book which states that the more leftie you are the ruder you are about people in other parties. Since Sourby is further left than you, your comment fits.
How do you work out that Anna Soubry is further left than Nick?
The fragrant Miss Soubry is incumbent in Broxtowe, keeping out a hard left ex MP.. Not sure how you would describe Ms Soubry, but I like her style.
Like OGH I'm currently weighted towards Donald Trump. My reading is that he may well do ok in the debates and he is accordingly likely to shorten.
It may have been a strategy of his to get the mad racist stuff out there early to attract the kind of people it attracts, and play nice from here on in to help the people it offends, forget about it. A combination of that, and another Hillary health glitch, might put him in with a serious shout.
Ah, the famed pivot to the centre.
I don't put the chances higher than 1 in 10, but it's a possibility. Hillary's health is the biggest known unknown.
I know, Yorkshire's reign as champions is over. Too bad it was that county that does not exist that took the title.
Proof that just because a county doesn't have a county council doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cheshire and IIRC Berkshire are other examples.
During the 2011 Census we had requests for data for Middlesex. I was in favour of politely pointing out that it doesn't exist. I was overruled.
Correctly. If you rely on county councils you end up with absurdities like Derby not being in Derbyshire.
Kansas City isn't in Kansas...
Oh, but it is! The actual conurbation straddles the state line. There is a Kansas City, MO, and a Kansas City, KS. The latter is the 3rd largest city in KS, and the 3rd largest city of the areas making up Kansas City metropolitan area.
KC KS is a new innovation. They used to be known as Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland - far more useful descriptors
"In October 1872, "old" Kansas City, Kansas, was incorporated"
"In March 1886, "new" Kansas City, Kansas, was formed through the consolidation of five municipalities: "old" Kansas City, Armstrong, Armourdale, Riverview, Wyandotte."
Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland are separate cities, but part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area, which includes both Kansas City MO and Kansas City KS
So, if I have got this right, Kansas City is both in Kansas and out of Kansas and you don't know which until you go to a bit of it. A Schrodinger City in fact. Huzzah!
I would have voted UKIP in your constituency, even if that had let you in.
Anna is ruder about UKIP than I'd ever be
It is a fact in that new book which states that the more leftie you are the ruder you are about people in other parties. Since Sourby is further left than you, your comment fits.
How do you work out that Anna Soubry is further left than Nick?
I don't touch Apple products, Mr. Robert. I can get good enough functionality from elsewhere a lot cheaper. I am of course aware that a lot of stuff is made in the EU and indeed in the UK. That wasn't the point of my post though as I am sure you are aware.
Membership of the single market is not needed to sell into it. Lots of countries manage to do that quite successfully and don't have to belong to the EEA or pay subscriptions or accept any sort of free movement of people arrangement to do so.
The list of European countries that shun the EU centred trade apparatus is very small and not a good precedent. We are geographically in Europe and will remain so. Trying to set up an independent trade zone in a group of one would be a hugely wasteful folly that could only appeal to a big government minded bureaucrat who wants to duplicate functions that are better off being shared.
Where on earth I have said anything about setting up an independent trade zone? I merely point out what is clearly true; that it is possible to sell into the EU without being a member f it or accepting free movement of people or paying it subscriptions. Many successful countries do so. To go back to where I joined in, "Access to" the single market is not the same as "Membership of" the single market.
That's what hard Brexit means. I haven't said that you want to recruit other members to join it (as the neo-imperialists do) but if you want Britain to set up completely independent arrangements that necessarily means a new entity in the world trading system.
I would have voted UKIP in your constituency, even if that had let you in.
Anna is ruder about UKIP than I'd ever be
It is a fact in that new book which states that the more leftie you are the ruder you are about people in other parties. Since Sourby is further left than you, your comment fits.
How do you work out that Anna Soubry is further left than Nick?
I know, Yorkshire's reign as champions is over. Too bad it was that county that does not exist that took the title.
Proof that just because a county doesn't have a county council doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cheshire and IIRC Berkshire are other examples.
During the 2011 Census we had requests for data for Middlesex. I was in favour of politely pointing out that it doesn't exist. I was overruled.
Correctly. If you rely on county councils you end up with absurdities like Derby not being in Derbyshire.
Kansas City isn't in Kansas...
Oh, but it is! The actual conurbation straddles the state line. There is a Kansas City, MO, and a Kansas City, KS. The latter is the 3rd largest city in KS, and the 3rd largest city of the areas making up Kansas City metropolitan area.
KC KS is a new innovation. They used to be known as Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland - far more useful descriptors
"In October 1872, "old" Kansas City, Kansas, was incorporated"
"In March 1886, "new" Kansas City, Kansas, was formed through the consolidation of five municipalities: "old" Kansas City, Armstrong, Armourdale, Riverview, Wyandotte."
Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland are separate cities, but part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area, which includes both Kansas City MO and Kansas City KS
So, if I have got this right, Kansas City is both in Kansas and out of Kansas and you don't know which until you go to a bit of it. A Schrodinger City in fact. Huzzah!
I know, Yorkshire's reign as champions is over. Too bad it was that county that does not exist that took the title.
Proof that just because a county doesn't have a county council doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cheshire and IIRC Berkshire are other examples.
During the 2011 Census we had requests for data for Middlesex. I was in favour of politely pointing out that it doesn't exist. I was overruled.
Correctly. If you rely on county councils you end up with absurdities like Derby not being in Derbyshire.
Kansas City isn't in Kansas...
Oh, but it is! The actual conurbation straddles the state line. There is a Kansas City, MO, and a Kansas City, KS. The latter is the 3rd largest city in KS, and the 3rd largest city of the areas making up Kansas City metropolitan area.
KC KS is a new innovation. They used to be known as Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland - far more useful descriptors
"In October 1872, "old" Kansas City, Kansas, was incorporated"
"In March 1886, "new" Kansas City, Kansas, was formed through the consolidation of five municipalities: "old" Kansas City, Armstrong, Armourdale, Riverview, Wyandotte."
Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland are separate cities, but part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area, which includes both Kansas City MO and Kansas City KS
So, if I have got this right, Kansas City is both in Kansas and out of Kansas and you don't know which until you go to a bit of it. A Schrodinger City in fact. Huzzah!
"she bored them rigid with whining, lefty, PC crap"
Funny how Harry Potter, a film about comradeship and mutual support has turned its main stars into compassionate, thoughtful people. Good for them I say. Go Em Rupe and Dan
Hermione was the most gifted witch of her generation. She should have been written to end up like Bayaz in The First Law, a lying, ruthless, hypocrite, destroying Harry, Ron, and Voldemort to attain power.
I don't touch Apple products, Mr. Robert. I can get good enough functionality from elsewhere a lot cheaper. I am of course aware that a lot of stuff is made in the EU and indeed in the UK. That wasn't the point of my post though as I am sure you are aware.
Membership of the single market is not needed to sell into it. Lots of countries manage to do that quite successfully and don't have to belong to the EEA or pay subscriptions or accept any sort of free movement of people arrangement to do so.
The list of European countries that shun the EU centred trade apparatus is very small and not a good precedent. We are geographically in Europe and will remain so. Trying to set up an independent trade zone in a group of one would be a hugely wasteful folly that could only appeal to a big government minded bureaucrat who wants to duplicate functions that are better off being shared.
Where on earth I have said anything about setting up an independent trade zone? I merely point out what is clearly true; that it is possible to sell into the EU without being a member f it or accepting free movement of people or paying it subscriptions. Many successful countries do so. To go back to where I joined in, "Access to" the single market is not the same as "Membership of" the single market.
That's what hard Brexit means. I haven't said that you want to recruit other members to join it (as the neo-imperialists do) but if you want Britain to set up completely independent arrangements that necessarily means a new entity in the world trading system.
Mr. Glenn, I fear we are talking past each other here and I don't know how I can make the point I wished to make clearer. My fault I am sure. So with apologies I shall withdraw from the conversation and go and do something more useful.
I know, Yorkshire's reign as champions is over. Too bad it was that county that does not exist that took the title.
Proof that just because a county doesn't have a county council doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cheshire and IIRC Berkshire are other examples.
During the 2011 Census we had requests for data for Middlesex. I was in favour of politely pointing out that it doesn't exist. I was overruled.
Correctly. If you rely on county councils you end up with absurdities like Derby not being in Derbyshire.
Kansas City isn't in Kansas...
Oh, but it is! The actual conurbation straddles the state line. There is a Kansas City, MO, and a Kansas City, KS. The latter is the 3rd largest city in KS, and the 3rd largest city of the areas making up Kansas City metropolitan area.
KC KS is a new innovation. They used to be known as Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland - far more useful descriptors
"In October 1872, "old" Kansas City, Kansas, was incorporated"
"In March 1886, "new" Kansas City, Kansas, was formed through the consolidation of five municipalities: "old" Kansas City, Armstrong, Armourdale, Riverview, Wyandotte."
Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland are separate cities, but part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area, which includes both Kansas City MO and Kansas City KS
So, if I have got this right, Kansas City is both in Kansas and out of Kansas and you don't know which until you go to a bit of it. A Schrodinger City in fact. Huzzah!
Cincinatti is split between two states, divided almost Berlin style. North of the River Ohio is Cincinatti proper with the southern half of the city on the other side of the river in Kentucky and officially known by its suburb names.
A boundary comission to redraw state boundaries so cities come under one local government area seems to be verboten.
I know, Yorkshire's reign as champions is over. Too bad it was that county that does not exist that took the title.
Proof that just because a county doesn't have a county council doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cheshire and IIRC Berkshire are other examples.
During the 2011 Census we had requests for data for Middlesex. I was in favour of politely pointing out that it doesn't exist. I was overruled.
Correctly. If you rely on county councils you end up with absurdities like Derby not being in Derbyshire.
Kansas City isn't in Kansas...
Oh, but it is! The actual conurbation straddles the state line. There is a Kansas City, MO, and a Kansas City, KS. The latter is the 3rd largest city in KS, and the 3rd largest city of the areas making up Kansas City metropolitan area.
KC KS is a new innovation. They used to be known as Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland - far more useful descriptors
"In October 1872, "old" Kansas City, Kansas, was incorporated"
"In March 1886, "new" Kansas City, Kansas, was formed through the consolidation of five municipalities: "old" Kansas City, Armstrong, Armourdale, Riverview, Wyandotte."
Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland are separate cities, but part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area, which includes both Kansas City MO and Kansas City KS
So, if I have got this right, Kansas City is both in Kansas and out of Kansas and you don't know which until you go to a bit of it. A Schrodinger City in fact. Huzzah!
And that's before you get to the airport - either MCI or KCI depending on where you start
I would have voted UKIP in your constituency, even if that had let you in.
Anna is ruder about UKIP than I'd ever be
It is a fact in that new book which states that the more leftie you are the ruder you are about people in other parties. Since Sourby is further left than you, your comment fits.
How do you work out that Anna Soubry is further left than Nick?
The fragrant Miss Soubry is incumbent in Broxtowe, keeping out a hard left ex MP.. Not sure how you would describe Ms Soubry, but I like her style.
"she bored them rigid with whining, lefty, PC crap"
Funny how Harry Potter, a film about comradeship and mutual support has turned its main stars into compassionate, thoughtful people. Good for them I say. Go Em Rupe and Dan
It is almost always advantageous to appear to be a compassionate, thoughtful person, whether you are or not. People whose job it is to appear to have certain qualities irrespective of whether they in fact have them are called actors. The main stars of the Harry Potter films are actors.
I would have voted UKIP in your constituency, even if that had let you in.
Anna is ruder about UKIP than I'd ever be
It is a fact in that new book which states that the more leftie you are the ruder you are about people in other parties. Since Sourby is further left than you, your comment fits.
How do you work out that Anna Soubry is further left than Nick?
Because she is ruder than Nick about people in other political parties. FACT.
I would have voted UKIP in your constituency, even if that had let you in.
Anna is ruder about UKIP than I'd ever be
It is a fact in that new book which states that the more leftie you are the ruder you are about people in other parties. Since Sourby is further left than you, your comment fits.
How do you work out that Anna Soubry is further left than Nick?
The fragrant Miss Soubry is incumbent in Broxtowe, keeping out a hard left ex MP.. Not sure how you would describe Ms Soubry, but I like her style.
Did you like her style after the EU referendum result,couldn't stop laughing at her losing it.
I don't touch Apple products, Mr. Robert. I can get good enough functionality from elsewhere a lot cheaper. I am of course aware that a lot of stuff is made in the EU and indeed in the UK. That wasn't the point of my post though as I am sure you are aware.
Membership of the single market is not needed to sell into it. Lots of countries manage to do that quite successfully and don't have to belong to the EEA or pay subscriptions or accept any sort of free movement of people arrangement to do so.
The list of European countries that shun the EU centred trade apparatus is very small and not a good precedent. We are geographically in Europe and will remain so. Trying to set up an independent trade zone in a group of one would be a hugely wasteful folly that could only appeal to a big government minded bureaucrat who wants to duplicate functions that are better off being shared.
Where on earth I have said anything about setting up an independent trade zone? I merely point out what is clearly true; that it is possible to sell into the EU without being a member f it or accepting free movement of people or paying it subscriptions. Many successful countries do so. To go back to where I joined in, "Access to" the single market is not the same as "Membership of" the single market.
That's what hard Brexit means. I haven't said that you want to recruit other members to join it (as the neo-imperialists do) but if you want Britain to set up completely independent arrangements that necessarily means a new entity in the world trading system.
We just tell them bluntly that unless they stop being silly we ban exports of Marmite* to the EU. Plus all the zeebrugge stuff as well. If we are feeling particularly spiteful we could just let Dungeness meltdown when the weather forecast is for a strong north westerly for a few days. This would have the added advantage of making the Romney Hythe and Dymchurch Railways trains glow in the dark so idiot motorists are less likely to collide with them at level crossings
* might be called vegemite by then under Canzuk rules.
Did Schultz really say no single mrket access without free movement? Surely almost everyone has 'access' to the single market? Membership without free movement would obviously be a non-starter but what are they up to?
We don't know what was lost in translation. As serious news organisations use access and membership interchangeably in English I doubt they are reflecting an nuisance in the German. I read a fascinating piece on what English media translate as " Cherry Picking " but in the German is Raisin Picking which has subtly different conertations.
It is almost always advantageous to appear to be a compassionate, thoughtful person, whether you are or not. People whose job it is to appear to have certain qualities irrespective of whether they in fact have them are called actors.
some of them are called prostitutes. I gather the two trades use similar skillsets.
"she bored them rigid with whining, lefty, PC crap"
Funny how Harry Potter, a film about comradeship and mutual support has turned its main stars into compassionate, thoughtful people. Good for them I say. Go Em Rupe and Dan
Hermione was the most gifted witch of her generation. She should have been written to end up like Bayaz in The First Law, a lying, ruthless, hypocrite, destroying Harry, Ron, and Voldemort to attain power.
She got the greatest line in the whole series: "We could be killed, or worse, expelled."
The Single Market is the world's biggest and best Free Trade deal. It takes 45% of our exports. There are plenty of cogent reasons to leave the EU. But the belief Single Market membership is worthless in it's self or that compensatory alternative deals with Mozambique and Rwanda will be quick and easy is frankly delusional.
I would have voted UKIP in your constituency, even if that had let you in.
Anna is ruder about UKIP than I'd ever be
It is a fact in that new book which states that the more leftie you are the ruder you are about people in other parties. Since Sourby is further left than you, your comment fits.
How do you work out that Anna Soubry is further left than Nick?
Because she is ruder than Nick about people in other political parties. FACT.
Off topic. It's handy when a movie sums itself up, even if ironically - the last three words of 'The Magnificent Seven' are, basically, "It was magnificent", which it most certainly was not.
@bbclaurak: Labour conference slogan will be 'Working together for real change' - message to party to unite + aimed at claim that Tories are divisive
Read that as 'working together for a change'
Zero? Despite 172 having no confidence in him just a few weeks ago?
I have great confidence in their unwillingness to take that step, at least immediately. Some will say they had no confidence in him but the members have spoken and they will respect that, some will say his campaign has shown them perhaps he is up to it or deserves a full chance despite their misgivings, others will say they cannot damage the party any further and the fighting has to stop, others will say nothing and play dead, and some others will fight on defiantly but not resign the whip saying Corbyn never did all the times he rebelled.
Immigration vs Single Market Access is just a sliding scale. Imposing any restriction on FoM costs us Membership but after that. If we agree to issue the same number of work permits pa as currently needed by existing EU immigration. We'll get great access to the Single Market. If we say we're issuing no work visas we'll get no access. There are 10001 possible variations between those two outcomes. The myriad variables of the negotiations will determine which. The biggest of those variables will be the UK budget contribution.
I would have voted UKIP in your constituency, even if that had let you in.
Anna is ruder about UKIP than I'd ever be
It is a fact in that new book which states that the more leftie you are the ruder you are about people in other parties. Since Sourby is further left than you, your comment fits.
How do you work out that Anna Soubry is further left than Nick?
The fragrant Miss Soubry is incumbent in Broxtowe, keeping out a hard left ex MP.. Not sure how you would describe Ms Soubry, but I like her style.
Nick is hardly hard left.
Debatable. When did you stop being a communist, Dr Palmer?
I would have voted UKIP in your constituency, even if that had let you in.
Anna is ruder about UKIP than I'd ever be
It is a fact in that new book which states that the more leftie you are the ruder you are about people in other parties. Since Sourby is further left than you, your comment fits.
How do you work out that Anna Soubry is further left than Nick?
Because she is ruder than Nick about people in other political parties. FACT.
The Single Market is the world's biggest and best Free Trade deal. It takes 45% of our exports. There are plenty of cogent reasons to leave the EU. But the belief Single Market membership is worthless in it's self or that compensatory alternative deals with Mozambique and Rwanda will be quick and easy is frankly delusional.
First, it's good to see you back here posting, YS. It seems an eternity ago we were in the same party but we've since taken rather different political journeys.
I'm not a huge fan of the Single Market not because I don't think it's a wonderful idea in theory but the fact of the free movement of capital and labour has been to concentrate wealth in some areas (London and the SE of England, western Germany) at the expense of other areas.
Freedom of movement has triggered massive depopulation of the Baltic States and parts of Eastern Europe (just as the reunification of Germany did to the former GDR) as people have gone to where the jobs are which is where the money is. People have always gone to the money and what we see now is no different from the Industrial Revolution in England.
I may be naive but for me the EU was never about the systematic enrichment of the north and west of Europe at the expense of the south and the east. Indeed, the concept of the EU in the beginning was to extend wealth and prosperity across Europe as a whole and to develop the weaker economies.
"she bored them rigid with whining, lefty, PC crap"
Funny how Harry Potter, a film about comradeship and mutual support has turned its main stars into compassionate, thoughtful people. Good for them I say. Go Em Rupe and Dan
Hermione was the most gifted witch of her generation. She should have been written to end up like Bayaz in The First Law, a lying, ruthless, hypocrite, destroying Harry, Ron, and Voldemort to attain power.
The Single Market is the world's biggest and best Free Trade deal. It takes 45% of our exports. There are plenty of cogent reasons to leave the EU. But the belief Single Market membership is worthless in it's self or that compensatory alternative deals with Mozambique and Rwanda will be quick and easy is frankly delusional.
First, it's good to see you back here posting, YS. It seems an eternity ago we were in the same party but we've since taken rather different political journeys.
I'm not a huge fan of the Single Market not because I don't think it's a wonderful idea in theory but the fact of the free movement of capital and labour has been to concentrate wealth in some areas (London and the SE of England, western Germany) at the expense of other areas.
Freedom of movement has triggered massive depopulation of the Baltic States and parts of Eastern Europe (just as the reunification of Germany did to the former GDR) as people have gone to where the jobs are which is where the money is. People have always gone to the money and what we see now is no different from the Industrial Revolution in England.
I may be naive but for me the EU was never about the systematic enrichment of the north and west of Europe at the expense of the south and the east. Indeed, the concept of the EU in the beginning was to extend wealth and prosperity across Europe as a whole and to develop the weaker economies.
Indeed Stodge ! As I always observe conservativism and collectivism are movements but liberalism is a diaspora.
Another example. In a Hampshire area (10,000+ voters) with only Lib Dem councillors with networks able to deliver 4+ leaflets each campaign, they were out delievered at least 2:1 by LEAVErs. No REMAIN posters seen only LEAVE (usually lots of LDs in election periods).
The problem, Mr Betting, is that you are assuming the Lib Dem party organisation was put at the service of the Remain campaign. It wasn`t. The Lib Dem campaign was entirely separate.
Since the Remain campaign was run by Top Tories who were busy putting out Tory messages, I refused to have anything to do with it. The Leave campaign was too, of course. Only now are our leaders starting to think about what their campaigns really meant. They should have done that earlier, and fought properly on those lines.
The irony is the bigger victory for Corbyn, the greater the likelihood the Labour party splits and the High Sparrow and his merry band of zealots float off into irrelevance.
A closer result would help keep the party together. A trouncing on the other hand would produce a "sod it" outcome.....
Squeal piggy.....Ted Cruz is doing one helluva of a Ned Beatty impersonation.........
And if anyone gets the reference and to what, I will be impressed......
Maybe they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. If you get that reference I'll be flabbergasted.
of course I get it...and you were being sarcastic....
One of my things, aside from having a resting heart rate in the low 30's, being able to down a pint in less than 2 seconds, is to know all the Oscar winners by year....and you refer to 1972....
Indeed Stodge ! As I always observe conservativism and collectivism are movements but liberalism is a diaspora.
I also think it no coincidence the Cameroons, the Blairites and the Orange Bookers have all been consigned to the outer darkness.
Indeed in all three parties there is and has been a sense of "going back" to a form of ideological purity. I'm not wholly convinced the complexities of a globalised world allow such introspection but Party members seem to prefer it for now.
Squeal piggy.....Ted Cruz is doing one helluva of a Ned Beatty impersonation.........
And if anyone gets the reference and to what, I will be impressed......
Maybe they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. If you get that reference I'll be flabbergasted.
of course I get it...and you were being sarcastic....
One of my things, aside from having a resting heart rate in the low 30's, being able to down a pint in less than 2 seconds, is to know all the Oscar winners by year....and you refer to 1972....
Immigration vs Single Market Access is just a sliding scale. Imposing any restriction on FoM costs us Membership but after that. If we agree to issue the same number of work permits pa as currently needed by existing EU immigration. We'll get great access to the Single Market. If we say we're issuing no work visas we'll get no access. There are 10001 possible variations between those two outcomes. The myriad variables of the negotiations will determine which. The biggest of those variables will be the UK budget contribution.
The problem, Mr Betting, is that you are assuming the Lib Dem party organisation was put at the service of the Remain campaign. It wasn`t. The Lib Dem campaign was entirely separate.
Since the Remain campaign was run by Top Tories who were busy putting out Tory messages, I refused to have anything to do with it. The Leave campaign was too, of course. Only now are our leaders starting to think about what their campaigns really meant. They should have done that earlier, and fought properly on those lines.
Mr Betting (as you call him) wastes no opportunity to put the boot into the LDs so perhaps not always wise to fall to his level.
As far as the EU Referendum went, the Conservative Party was officially neutral but as we've seen, it's still divided from stem to stern so that hasn't changed anything and the Referendum has solved nothing.
The LDs, as you say, ran a pro-REMAIN campaign with market stalls rather than leaflets which were left to the official REMAIN campaign to distribute.
"she bored them rigid with whining, lefty, PC crap"
Funny how Harry Potter, a film about comradeship and mutual support has turned its main stars into compassionate, thoughtful people. Good for them I say. Go Em Rupe and Dan
Hermione was the most gifted witch of her generation. She should have been written to end up like Bayaz in The First Law, a lying, ruthless, hypocrite, destroying Harry, Ron, and Voldemort to attain power.
She got the greatest line in the whole series: "We could be killed, or worse, expelled."
"if it weren't for the fact that your son is dead, he'd be out on his ear!" - Rowan Atkinson
The Single Market is the world's biggest and best Free Trade deal. It takes 45% of our exports. There are plenty of cogent reasons to leave the EU. But the belief Single Market membership is worthless in it's self or that compensatory alternative deals with Mozambique and Rwanda will be quick and easy is frankly delusional.
First, it's good to see you back here posting, YS. It seems an eternity ago we were in the same party but we've since taken rather different political journeys.
I'm not a huge fan of the Single Market not because I don't think it's a wonderful idea in theory but the fact of the free movement of capital and labour has been to concentrate wealth in some areas (London and the SE of England, western Germany) at the expense of other areas.
Freedom of movement has triggered massive depopulation of the Baltic States and parts of Eastern Europe (just as the reunification of Germany did to the former GDR) as people have gone to where the jobs are which is where the money is. People have always gone to the money and what we see now is no different from the Industrial Revolution in England.
I may be naive but for me the EU was never about the systematic enrichment of the north and west of Europe at the expense of the south and the east. Indeed, the concept of the EU in the beginning was to extend wealth and prosperity across Europe as a whole and to develop the weaker economies.
Except that those places with the biggest "depopulations": i.e. East Germany and the Baltics have done the best in terms of (1) GDP per capita, and (2) unemployment. The difference between the East German Lander and the West German is now less than between the richest and poorest US states. That's an unbelievable achievement in 25 years.
And the same with the Baltics. They are the most successful economies in Eastern Europe, and when you compare their economies with mother Russia (or indeed any of the other ex-Soviet Republics), you'd be living in cloud cuckoo land not to say they've done really well.
That's not to say that there aren't significant problems with the EU and the single market. But if you'd gone to the Baltic states in 1996 and said, "Hey, in 20 years time, you can look like this", you'd have got 96% in any referendum.
Squeal piggy.....Ted Cruz is doing one helluva of a Ned Beatty impersonation.........
And if anyone gets the reference and to what, I will be impressed......
Maybe they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. If you get that reference I'll be flabbergasted.
of course I get it...and you were being sarcastic....
One of my things, aside from having a resting heart rate in the low 30's, being able to down a pint in less than 2 seconds, is to know all the Oscar winners by year....and you refer to 1972....
Low 30's means you are a corpse
It doesn't...it just means that I'm exceptionally fit.....
Two things I've never been beaten on...downing a pint, and heart stuff....resting heart rate and recovery heart rate- I can bring my heart rate from 160-70 in a minute, and from 160- below 50 in 2 minutes
Squeal piggy.....Ted Cruz is doing one helluva of a Ned Beatty impersonation.........
And if anyone gets the reference and to what, I will be impressed......
Maybe they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. If you get that reference I'll be flabbergasted.
of course I get it...and you were being sarcastic....
One of my things, aside from having a resting heart rate in the low 30's, being able to down a pint in less than 2 seconds, is to know all the Oscar winners by year....and you refer to 1972....
Low 30's means you are a corpse
It doesn't...it just means that I'm exceptionally fit.....
Two things I've never been beaten on...downing a pint, and heart stuff....resting heart rate and recovery heart rate- I can bring my heart rate from 160-70 in a minute, and from 160- below 50 in 2 minutes
We do something called '6 by 6, 10 by 7' at the rugby club. Separates the men from the boys on the Strongbow.
Back in the clubhouse after the game has finished you've gotta finish your first six pints by 6pm and the next four by 7pm. It does slur the speech a bit.
I suspect Malcolm, being a Scot, could do it drinking Tenents Super and still drive the car home.
Sir Bradley Wiggins: Former team doctor 'surprised' at drug prescription
"The stolen data revealed Wiggins, an asthma and allergy sufferer, was given permission to inject the banned drug triamcinolone, a powerful corticosteroid, just days before three major races, including the 2012 Tour de France, which he won, becoming the first Briton to do so. He also received similar permission to use 40mg of the drug before the 2011 Tour and the 2013 Tour of Italy. But questions have been raised over why Wiggins apparently did not need the drug before 2011, or after 2013."
I know, Yorkshire's reign as champions is over. Too bad it was that county that does not exist that took the title.
Proof that just because a county doesn't have a county council doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cheshire and IIRC Berkshire are other examples.
During the 2011 Census we had requests for data for Middlesex. I was in favour of politely pointing out that it doesn't exist. I was overruled.
Correctly. If you rely on county councils you end up with absurdities like Derby not being in Derbyshire.
Kansas City isn't in Kansas...
Oh, but it is! The actual conurbation straddles the state line. There is a Kansas City, MO, and a Kansas City, KS. The latter is the 3rd largest city in KS, and the 3rd largest city of the areas making up Kansas City metropolitan area.
KC KS is a new innovation. They used to be known as Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland - far more useful descriptors
"In October 1872, "old" Kansas City, Kansas, was incorporated"
"In March 1886, "new" Kansas City, Kansas, was formed through the consolidation of five municipalities: "old" Kansas City, Armstrong, Armourdale, Riverview, Wyandotte."
Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland are separate cities, but part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area, which includes both Kansas City MO and Kansas City KS
So, if I have got this right, Kansas City is both in Kansas and out of Kansas and you don't know which until you go to a bit of it. A Schrodinger City in fact. Huzzah!
Cincinatti is split between two states, divided almost Berlin style. North of the River Ohio is Cincinatti proper with the southern half of the city on the other side of the river in Kentucky and officially known by its suburb names.
A boundary comission to redraw state boundaries so cities come under one local government area seems to be verboten.
The states are sovereign - the federal government could no more impose a boundary commission on them than the European Commission could on EU member states. There have been occasional small adjustments of borders by mutual agreement, but I think there have been more adjustments that have happened by one state appealing to SCotUS that the border on the ground was not that which was agreed. One of the more recent such settlements was of a dispute between New Hampshire and Maine which was settled in Maine's favour in 2002.
Squeal piggy.....Ted Cruz is doing one helluva of a Ned Beatty impersonation.........
And if anyone gets the reference and to what, I will be impressed......
Maybe they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. If you get that reference I'll be flabbergasted.
of course I get it...and you were being sarcastic....
One of my things, aside from having a resting heart rate in the low 30's, being able to down a pint in less than 2 seconds, is to know all the Oscar winners by year....and you refer to 1972....
Low 30's means you are a corpse
It doesn't...it just means that I'm exceptionally fit.....
Two things I've never been beaten on...downing a pint, and heart stuff....resting heart rate and recovery heart rate- I can bring my heart rate from 160-70 in a minute, and from 160- below 50 in 2 minutes
We do something called '6 by 6, 10 by 7' at the rugby club. Separates the men from the boys on the Strongbow.
Back in the clubhouse after the game has finished you've gotta finish your first six pints by 6pm and the next four by 7pm. It does slur the speech a bit.
I suspect Malcolm, being a Scot, could do it drinking Tenents Super and still drive the car home.
OMG....that sounds like a projectile vomit fun night out. Speed is my thing, tolerance less so.
My sister has the same ability to down a pint as me....we used to knock back pints of water as kids to entertain others....then I learnt as a student it was a very handy way to get people buying me beers.
I remain unbeaten for downing a pint....and god knows how many people I've raced in my time. Admittedly, it is some times since I last did it....
Sir Bradley Wiggins: Former team doctor 'surprised' at drug prescription
"The stolen data revealed Wiggins, an asthma and allergy sufferer, was given permission to inject the banned drug triamcinolone, a powerful corticosteroid, just days before three major races, including the 2012 Tour de France, which he won, becoming the first Briton to do so. He also received similar permission to use 40mg of the drug before the 2011 Tour and the 2013 Tour of Italy. But questions have been raised over why Wiggins apparently did not need the drug before 2011, or after 2013."
At least his music taste comes out of all of this undiminished..
New from the LSE: internet pollsters' performance during the EU ref substantially superior to that of phone pollsters, and - adjusting for mode and house effects - the Leave campaign was probably ahead of Remain for the whole of 2016.
Sir Bradley Wiggins: Former team doctor 'surprised' at drug prescription
"The stolen data revealed Wiggins, an asthma and allergy sufferer, was given permission to inject the banned drug triamcinolone, a powerful corticosteroid, just days before three major races, including the 2012 Tour de France, which he won, becoming the first Briton to do so. He also received similar permission to use 40mg of the drug before the 2011 Tour and the 2013 Tour of Italy. But questions have been raised over why Wiggins apparently did not need the drug before 2011, or after 2013."
At least his music taste comes out of all of this undiminished..
I believe at the conservative party conference in two weeks she is going to deliver two separate speeches, one on Brexit and the other on her programme for government.
They will both be watched with great interest and great fear by labour as she places her tanks on the centre ground
The Single Market is the world's biggest and best Free Trade deal. It takes 45% of our exports. There are plenty of cogent reasons to leave the EU. But the belief Single Market membership is worthless in it's self or that compensatory alternative deals with Mozambique and Rwanda will be quick and easy is frankly delusional.
First, it's good to see you back here posting, YS. It seems an eternity ago we were in the same party but we've since taken rather different political journeys.
I'm not a huge fan of the Single Market not because I don't think it's a wonderful idea in theory but the fact of the free movement of capital and labour has been to concentrate wealth in some areas (London and the SE of England, western Germany) at the expense of other areas.
Freedom of movement has triggered massive depopulation of the Baltic States and parts of Eastern Europe (just as the reunification of Germany did to the former GDR) as people have gone to where the jobs are which is where the money is. People have always gone to the money and what we see now is no different from the Industrial Revolution in England.
I may be naive but for me the EU was never about the systematic enrichment of the north and west of Europe at the expense of the south and the east. Indeed, the concept of the EU in the beginning was to extend wealth and prosperity across Europe as a whole and to develop the weaker economies.
Except that those places with the biggest "depopulations": i.e. East Germany and the Baltics have done the best in terms of (1) GDP per capita, and (2) unemployment. The difference between the East German Lander and the West German is now less than between the richest and poorest US states. That's an unbelievable achievement in 25 years.
And the same with the Baltics. They are the most successful economies in Eastern Europe, and when you compare their economies with mother Russia (or indeed any of the other ex-Soviet Republics), you'd be living in cloud cuckoo land not to say they've done really well.
That's not to say that there aren't significant problems with the EU and the single market. But if you'd gone to the Baltic states in 1996 and said, "Hey, in 20 years time, you can look like this", you'd have got 96% in any referendum.
But, it's strange, after having lost so many of their younger people. Economic theory would suggest they'd be in terrible trouble.
New from the LSE: internet pollsters' performance during the EU ref substantially superior to that of phone pollsters, and - adjusting for mode and house effects - the Leave campaign was probably ahead of Remain for the whole of 2016.
Did Schultz really say no single mrket access without free movement? Surely almost everyone has 'access' to the single market? Membership without free movement would obviously be a non-starter but what are they up to?
At most I suspect they are deliberately trying to confuse. You see it on this site everyday where people say access when what they are talking about is membership. Sometimes it is just sloppy thinking, sometimes, perhaps, it is just a subtle extension of project fear.
Looking around my study very little of the goodies have been made in the EU, save probably most of the books. The keyboard on which I type, the computers, the monitors, the Kindle, the phone, the printer have all been made in countries that are not members of the single market and which do not have a free trade agreement with the EU. Yet they were all bought here in the UK.
If you have any Apple products, then there is a fair chance they were "made" in the Hollyhill factory in Ireland*.
* "Made" is a relative term.
But, more seriously, there is a surprising amount of "stuff" that's made in Europe.
I don't touch Apple products, Mr. Robert. I can get good enough functionality from elsewhere a lot cheaper. I am of course aware that a lot of stuff is made in the EU and indeed in the UK. That wasn't the point of my post though as I am sure you are aware.
Membership of the single market is not needed to sell into it. Lots of countries manage to do that quite successfully and don't have to belong to the EEA or pay subscriptions or accept any sort of free movement of people arrangement to do so.
"Membership of the single market is not needed to sell into it. "
Why do you use the word "single" ? You really mean to say " Membership of the EU is not needed to sell into it. "
The single market is not just about zero tariffs. It is also about virtually zero paperwork apart from monthly Intrastat returns. Countries exporting to the EU or EU countries exporting abroad cannot avoid the paperwork zero tariff or not.
"she bored them rigid with whining, lefty, PC crap"
Funny how Harry Potter, a film about comradeship and mutual support has turned its main stars into compassionate, thoughtful people. Good for them I say. Go Em Rupe and Dan
Hermione was the most gifted witch of her generation. She should have been written to end up like Bayaz in The First Law, a lying, ruthless, hypocrite, destroying Harry, Ron, and Voldemort to attain power.
Ah, the Michael Gove of Hogwarts!
" You're no different to Michael Gove, are you?"
"I should have thought the difference was obvious. Michael Gove lost."
I would have voted UKIP in your constituency, even if that had let you in.
Anna is ruder about UKIP than I'd ever be
It is a fact in that new book which states that the more leftie you are the ruder you are about people in other parties. Since Sourby is further left than you, your comment fits.
How do you work out that Anna Soubry is further left than Nick?
The fragrant Miss Soubry is incumbent in Broxtowe, keeping out a hard left ex MP.. Not sure how you would describe Ms Soubry, but I like her style.
Nick is hardly hard left.
No of course not, I mean being a strong supporter of Corbyn, means....
Sir Bradley Wiggins: Former team doctor 'surprised' at drug prescription
"The stolen data revealed Wiggins, an asthma and allergy sufferer, was given permission to inject the banned drug triamcinolone, a powerful corticosteroid, just days before three major races, including the 2012 Tour de France, which he won, becoming the first Briton to do so. He also received similar permission to use 40mg of the drug before the 2011 Tour and the 2013 Tour of Italy. But questions have been raised over why Wiggins apparently did not need the drug before 2011, or after 2013."
I did not know we had so many asthmatic athletes and cyclists. It seems it is almost mandatory that you have to asthmatic before you are eligible for training.
New from the LSE: internet pollsters' performance during the EU ref substantially superior to that of phone pollsters, and - adjusting for mode and house effects - the Leave campaign was probably ahead of Remain for the whole of 2016.
As a corollary to this, all national voter intention polls conducted since the start of August (save for one Ashcroft survey) have been by YouGov, TNS, ICM and Ipsos. The first three were closest to calling the EU vote right, the last was one of the furthest away - and Ipsos has also been responsible for recording unusually high Labour and low Ukip vote shares in its surveys, relative to those conducted by the other three. Make of that what you will.
Did Schultz really say no single mrket access without free movement? Surely almost everyone has 'access' to the single market? Membership without free movement would obviously be a non-starter but what are they up to?
At most I suspect they are deliberately trying to confuse. You see it on this site everyday where people say access when what they are talking about is membership. Sometimes it is just sloppy thinking, sometimes, perhaps, it is just a subtle extension of project fear.
Looking around my study very little of the goodies have been made in the EU, save probably most of the books. The keyboard on which I type, the computers, the monitors, the Kindle, the phone, the printer have all been made in countries that are not members of the single market and which do not have a free trade agreement with the EU. Yet they were all bought here in the UK.
If you have any Apple products, then there is a fair chance they were "made" in the Hollyhill factory in Ireland*.
* "Made" is a relative term.
But, more seriously, there is a surprising amount of "stuff" that's made in Europe.
I don't touch Apple products, Mr. Robert. I can get good enough functionality from elsewhere a lot cheaper. I am of course aware that a lot of stuff is made in the EU and indeed in the UK. That wasn't the point of my post though as I am sure you are aware.
Membership of the single market is not needed to sell into it. Lots of countries manage to do that quite successfully and don't have to belong to the EEA or pay subscriptions or accept any sort of free movement of people arrangement to do so.
"Membership of the single market is not needed to sell into it. "
Why do you use the word "single" ? You really mean to say " Membership of the EU is not needed to sell into it. "
The single market is not just about zero tariffs. It is also about virtually zero paperwork apart from monthly Intrastat returns. Countries exporting to the EU or EU countries exporting abroad cannot avoid the paperwork zero tariff or not.
Lol.
Less paperwork on intra EU sales in return for a steamingly expensive pile of bureacracy and paperwork to get a CE mark so you can put it on the market at all, even if you only sell it in the UK.
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"In March 1886, "new" Kansas City, Kansas, was formed through the consolidation of five municipalities: "old" Kansas City, Armstrong, Armourdale, Riverview, Wyandotte."
Lenaxa, Olathe and Overland are separate cities, but part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area, which includes both Kansas City MO and Kansas City KS
As for Apple, it seems that even the Guardian has turned against them - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/23/iphone-7-review-poor-battery-life
@Maomentum_: @Maomentum_ Important announcement: Due to unforeseen circumstances there will now be NO Labour Party stall. Many apologies.
@Maomentum_: Many thanks to Dignitas who have agreed to step in.
A boundary comission to redraw state boundaries so cities come under one local government area seems to be verboten.
* might be called vegemite by then under Canzuk rules.
"We could be killed, or worse, expelled."
So there won't be many others left.
When did you stop being a communist, Dr Palmer?
And if anyone gets the reference and to what, I will be impressed......
Et Tu Brute,,,,,,,
I'm not a huge fan of the Single Market not because I don't think it's a wonderful idea in theory but the fact of the free movement of capital and labour has been to concentrate wealth in some areas (London and the SE of England, western Germany) at the expense of other areas.
Freedom of movement has triggered massive depopulation of the Baltic States and parts of Eastern Europe (just as the reunification of Germany did to the former GDR) as people have gone to where the jobs are which is where the money is. People have always gone to the money and what we see now is no different from the Industrial Revolution in England.
I may be naive but for me the EU was never about the systematic enrichment of the north and west of Europe at the expense of the south and the east. Indeed, the concept of the EU in the beginning was to extend wealth and prosperity across Europe as a whole and to develop the weaker economies.
Cuckoo. Cuckoo....
And great to see the Yellow Sub back.
Since the Remain campaign was run by Top Tories who were busy putting out Tory messages, I refused to have anything to do with it. The Leave campaign was too, of course. Only now are our leaders starting to think about what their campaigns really meant. They should have done that earlier, and fought properly on those lines.
If you get that reference I'll be flabbergasted.
PS: why not get yourself over to the Black Forest and buy the real thing.
A closer result would help keep the party together. A trouncing on the other hand would produce a "sod it" outcome.....
"Jacques Delors warns of a political crisis if John Major tries to derail plans for a single European currency":
www.youtube.com/watch?v=S14ksjBvvP4
One of my things, aside from having a resting heart rate in the low 30's, being able to down a pint in less than 2 seconds, is to know all the Oscar winners by year....and you refer to 1972....
Indeed in all three parties there is and has been a sense of "going back" to a form of ideological purity. I'm not wholly convinced the complexities of a globalised world allow such introspection but Party members seem to prefer it for now.
http://www.bavarianclockworks.com/
As far as the EU Referendum went, the Conservative Party was officially neutral but as we've seen, it's still divided from stem to stern so that hasn't changed anything and the Referendum has solved nothing.
The LDs, as you say, ran a pro-REMAIN campaign with market stalls rather than leaflets which were left to the official REMAIN campaign to distribute.
And the same with the Baltics. They are the most successful economies in Eastern Europe, and when you compare their economies with mother Russia (or indeed any of the other ex-Soviet Republics), you'd be living in cloud cuckoo land not to say they've done really well.
That's not to say that there aren't significant problems with the EU and the single market. But if you'd gone to the Baltic states in 1996 and said, "Hey, in 20 years time, you can look like this", you'd have got 96% in any referendum.
Two things I've never been beaten on...downing a pint, and heart stuff....resting heart rate and recovery heart rate- I can bring my heart rate from 160-70 in a minute, and from 160- below 50 in 2 minutes
Back in the clubhouse after the game has finished you've gotta finish your first six pints by 6pm and the next four by 7pm. It does slur the speech a bit.
I suspect Malcolm, being a Scot, could do it drinking Tenents Super and still drive the car home.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37456623
Sir Bradley Wiggins: Former team doctor 'surprised' at drug prescription
"The stolen data revealed Wiggins, an asthma and allergy sufferer, was given permission to inject the banned drug triamcinolone, a powerful corticosteroid, just days before three major races, including the 2012 Tour de France, which he won, becoming the first Briton to do so.
He also received similar permission to use 40mg of the drug before the 2011 Tour and the 2013 Tour of Italy.
But questions have been raised over why Wiggins apparently did not need the drug before 2011, or after 2013."
My sister has the same ability to down a pint as me....we used to knock back pints of water as kids to entertain others....then I learnt as a student it was a very handy way to get people buying me beers.
I remain unbeaten for downing a pint....and god knows how many people I've raced in my time.
Admittedly, it is some times since I last did it....
At least his music taste comes out of all of this undiminished..
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/eu-referendum-polls/?utm_content=buffer9221d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
They will both be watched with great interest and great fear by labour as she places her tanks on the centre ground
A high cuckoo standard tonight I see.
"You sure its not a starling" Actually it is white with a red beak so its probably an albino robin
https://twitter.com/owensmith4leadr/status/779407254894370816
Can't wait to see Corbyn returned with 65% of the vote tomorrow. The slow death of Labour is really enjoyable.
"Membership of the single market is not needed to sell into it. "
Why do you use the word "single" ? You really mean to say " Membership of the EU is not needed to sell into it. "
The single market is not just about zero tariffs. It is also about virtually zero paperwork apart from monthly Intrastat returns. Countries exporting to the EU or EU countries exporting abroad cannot avoid the paperwork zero tariff or not.
"I should have thought the difference was obvious. Michael Gove lost."
This is Labour we are talking about.
Less paperwork on intra EU sales in return for a steamingly expensive pile of bureacracy and paperwork to get a CE mark so you can put it on the market at all, even if you only sell it in the UK.