Well the debate is over, Hillary is the next president but just because Trump was even more terrible than Hillary.
What was Trump doing all these weeks about preparing for the debate ?
I really does not matter how this played to a British audience, but how it played with the non-voters that Trump might bring to the table. Trump is playing a different game, which us politicos find hard to understand or accept as even possibly being effective.
Trump needed to appear composed and smart. Hillary needed to appear real and human.
Well the debate is over, Hillary is the next president but just because Trump was even more terrible than Hillary.
What was Trump doing all these weeks about preparing for the debate ?
I really does not matter how this played to a British audience, but how it played with the non-voters that Trump might bring to the table. Trump is playing a different game, which us politicos find hard to understand or accept as even possibly being effective.
Trump needed to appear composed and smart. Hillary needed to appear real and human.
Neither did, but Trump needed a win most.
On that scale Trump is the clear loser.
All the early GOP debates resulted in politicos making exactly that analysis - each and every time they were wrong.
I'll wait until we see what post debate polling says (not the Luntz stuff which was just as wrong as the other pundits in the GOP primaries).
Well the debate is over, Hillary is the next president but just because Trump was even more terrible than Hillary.
What was Trump doing all these weeks about preparing for the debate ?
I really does not matter how this played to a British audience, but how it played with the non-voters that Trump might bring to the table. Trump is playing a different game, which us politicos find hard to understand or accept as even possibly being effective.
Trump needed to appear composed and smart. Hillary needed to appear real and human.
Neither did, but Trump needed a win most.
On that scale Trump is the clear loser.
I am still sticking to a Hillary win by less than 1%, she will scrape home but no killer blow from her tonight and the vast majority of Trump voters will not have changed their mind either albeit maybe a handful of undecideds
Moderator again bringing up a negative for Trump as a "question"..basically you are a sexist aren't you Donald. Not once has he done that for Clinton.
thats his own fault.
There is plenty to do the same for Clinton, that is my only point.
I guess he could of bought up the depolarable, but there is no comparison she hasn't said racist, sexist things during the campaign.
Clinton Foundation, Deplorables, Emails....plenty to go on. The liberal leaning, Clinton supporting, Last Week Tonight managed a good 10 mins without even trying.
Well the debate is over, Hillary is the next president but just because Trump was even more terrible than Hillary.
What was Trump doing all these weeks about preparing for the debate ?
I really does not matter how this played to a British audience, but how it played with the non-voters that Trump might bring to the table. Trump is playing a different game, which us politicos find hard to understand or accept as even possibly being effective.
Trump needed to appear composed and smart. Hillary needed to appear real and human.
Neither did, but Trump needed a win most.
On that scale Trump is the clear loser.
Also, crucially, Hillary needed to appear healthy. Which she dd. I'd say she was the probably the winner.
I'm switching off TV now - the media are so biased one way it makes very dull viewing.
Seriously, get out of your bubble.
In the US they are.
Let me guess, all except Fox?
They are biased in the other way. It's not like the news back in the UK.
The Pew Foundation did a very good analysis of the bias of the news outlets in the US. In fact, there were quite a few media outlets more to the left than Fox is to the right.
Clinton playing to her base now. System is racist.
Disastrous for her, I think
The Obama coalition is minorities and college educated whites (middle class liberals). She needs that. Remember she's not trying to win right wingers like us, America is 50/50 with a two party system, each sides needs to turnout their base.
I thought Hillary edged that by being the more Presidential. Neither of them will have put off anyone already supporting them, there were no knock out blows. It's just s much easier imagining her doing the ceremonial side of it than him. Very thin gruel by way of difference but I think Hillary edged it.
Trump said in the spin room he held back by not bringing up Bills infedelities and said might bring it up next debate...............I guess he doesn't want the vote of any women who has been cheated on.
Did anyone see the opening statements? How were they?
Can I recommend that no one tries to listen to the debate on World Service?
They kept cutting away from the interesting stuff to go to a continuity announcer.
From what I heard: probably a score draw, no disasters for Trump. Felt Clinton made a few nasty, more personal attacks
If anyone wants to watch again now, the Sky News live feed (with no interruptions) has a good rewind function, simply drag the time bar back a couple of hours. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg
I'm switching off TV now - the media are so biased one way it makes very dull viewing.
Seriously, get out of your bubble.
In the US they are.
Let me guess, all except Fox?
They are biased in the other way. It's not like the news back in the UK.
The Pew Foundation did a very good analysis of the bias of the news outlets in the US. In fact, there were quite a few media outlets more to the left than Fox is to the right.
Interesting how far to the left the Beeb and the Economist are.
You appear to have misunderstood the report. The diagram shows the political views of those who watch the broadcaster, not bias (whether real or perceived)
Trump said in the spin room he held back by not bringing upBills infedelities and said might bring it up next debate...............I guess he dosn't want the vote of any women who has been cheated on.
He'd be well advised not to bring it up. Nothing Hillary could do about it, after all.
Can I recommend that no one tries to listen to the debate on World Service?
They kept cutting away from the interesting stuff to go to a continuity announcer.
From what I heard: probably a score draw, no disasters for Trump. Felt Clinton made a few nasty, more personal attacks
If anyone wants to watch again now, the Sky News live feed (with no interruptions) has a good rewind function, simply drag the time bar back a couple of hours. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg
I wonder rather watch drive nails through my hands than watch that again.
Trump said in the spin room he held back by not bringing upBills infedelities and said might bring it up next debate...............I guess he dosn't want the vote of any women who has been cheated on.
He'd be well advised not to bring it up. Nothing Hillary could do about it, after all.
If he does, some people might feel sorry for the Clinton-Bot-2000....even though it is incredibly hard thing to do.
Can I recommend that no one tries to listen to the debate on World Service?
They kept cutting away from the interesting stuff to go to a continuity announcer.
From what I heard: probably a score draw, no disasters for Trump. Felt Clinton made a few nasty, more personal attacks
If anyone wants to watch again now, the Sky News live feed (with no interruptions) has a good rewind function, simply drag the time bar back a couple of hours. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg
I wonder rather watch drive nails through my hands than watch that again.
Think some of you below might be missing a crucial point. Many undecideds went into the debate having been told Trump was a loon.
On that score Trump wins.
It'll be interesting to see the opinion polls over the next week. The race was already becoming too close to call.
Trump did come across as a loon. His answers were rambling and utterly incoherent. I loved the bit where he claimed the Iran deal should have somehow included North Korea as well!
Think some of you below might be missing a crucial point. Many undecideds went into the debate having been told Trump was a loon.
On that score Trump wins.
It'll be interesting to see the opinion polls over the next week. The race was already becoming too close to call.
Trump did come across as a loon. His answers were rambling and utterly incoherent. I loved the bit where he claimed the Iran deal should have somehow included North Korea as well!
No there's a difference between disagreeing with him in your bias and thinking he was a loon.
Neither candidate was unpresidential and that helps Trump.
CNN annoying a lot of people on Twitter by not announcing the result of their poll...
What was it? Why are they annoyed?
it's a voodoo twitter poll.
Oh god...I presumed they had done their whole, before you we tell you the full result, 2hrs of hearing about incredibly niche demographics like how right handed, left footed lumberjacks in Alaska voted....
Think some of you below might be missing a crucial point. Many undecideds went into the debate having been told Trump was a loon.
On that score Trump wins.
It'll be interesting to see the opinion polls over the next week. The race was already becoming too close to call.
Trump did come across as a loon. His answers were rambling and utterly incoherent. I loved the bit where he claimed the Iran deal should have somehow included North Korea as well!
No there's a difference between disagreeing with him in your bias and thinking he was a loon.
Neither candidate was unpresidential and that helps Trump.
The man isn't capable of stringing a sentence together. That makes him come across as a loon regardless of what he's saying.
CNN annoying a lot of people on Twitter by not announcing the result of their poll...
What was it? Why are they annoyed?
Because they keep saying it's imminent. They've been saying that ever since the debate finished.
Oh they always bloody do that.....BREAKING NEWS....our poll imminently....BREAKING NEWS...we are only a few minutes away from the result....BREAKING...I will f##king break you in a minute Wolf.
Think some of you below might be missing a crucial point. Many undecideds went into the debate having been told Trump was a loon.
On that score Trump wins.
It'll be interesting to see the opinion polls over the next week. The race was already becoming too close to call.
Trump did come across as a loon. His answers were rambling and utterly incoherent. I loved the bit where he claimed the Iran deal should have somehow included North Korea as well!
No there's a difference between disagreeing with him in your bias and thinking he was a loon.
Neither candidate was unpresidential and that helps Trump.
The man isn't capable of stringing a sentence together. That makes him come across as a loon regardless of what he's saying.
The Clinton-Bot-2000 would be far better shutting up about that. I am sure it plays great with black voters, but she wins those 90% to 10% already, where as a lot of middle America folk will be thinking why shouldn't we have that.
The Clinton-Bot-2000 would be far better shutting up about that. I am sure it plays great with black voters, but she wins those 90% to 10% already, where as a lot of middle America folk will be thinking why shouldn't we have that.
Basically Trump wins if this becomes all about law and order. It is getting to look like she might fall in the massively obvious, fully signposted bear trap.
I'm switching off TV now - the media are so biased one way it makes very dull viewing.
Seriously, get out of your bubble.
In the US they are.
Let me guess, all except Fox?
They are biased in the other way. It's not like the news back in the UK.
The Pew Foundation did a very good analysis of the bias of the news outlets in the US. In fact, there were quite a few media outlets more to the left than Fox is to the right.
Interesting how far to the left the Beeb and the Economist are.
You appear to have misunderstood the report. The diagram shows the political views of those who watch the broadcaster, not bias (whether real or perceived)
No. There is a high correlation between the bias of the source and the people who choose it as their source of news.
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Hillary needed to appear real and human.
Neither did, but Trump needed a win most.
On that scale Trump is the clear loser.
I'll wait until we see what post debate polling says (not the Luntz stuff which was just as wrong as the other pundits in the GOP primaries).
Time to postpone the whole thing and come us with two sane candidates?
http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits/pj_14-10-21_mediapolarization-08/
Interesting how far to the left the Beeb and the Economist are.
https://suchanaughtymonkey.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/monkey_poo_for_you.jpg
The concept of unbiased news is frankly ridiculous.
I'd imagine that the BBC would lean a little left and Sky a little right, if they were allowed to.
They kept cutting away from the interesting stuff to go to a continuity announcer.
From what I heard: probably a score draw, no disasters for Trump. Felt Clinton made a few nasty, more personal attacks
Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, serenades the #Labour Conference according to @thetimes https://t.co/SnEKLLxtO1
betting markets def agree with that consensus
Did anyone see the opening statements? How were they?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg
On that score Trump wins.
It'll be interesting to see the opinion polls over the next week. The race was already becoming too close to call.
And what did Trump do?
He behaved like a loon.
And that's why he lost.
Neither candidate was unpresidential and that helps Trump.
Has Trump found his election winning domestic policy?
Didn't Gore also win the immediate debate poll? The actual polls then shifted against him.
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/780585423764647936
But kudos to the World Service for finding a homosexual, Hispanic, East Village living entertainer who supports Trump!
The partisans would tend to break for their own side.
It's telling that almost all undecided voters sided with Hillary after the debate.
So long to HYUFD's theory that Trump would win the debates, I told you so that Trump would probably lose them.