The Clinton-Bot-2000 would be far better shutting up about that. I am sure it plays great with black voters, but she wins those 90% to 10% already, where as a lot of middle America folk will be thinking why shouldn't we have that.
Basically Trump wins if this becomes all about law and order. It is getting to look like she might fall in the massively obvious, fully signposted bear trap.
The 5 minute "the system is racialist" was just bloody stupid, firstly because it plays into Trump's narrative and secondly most people will ask but you have been part of the system for 20+ years...
The Clinton-Bot-2000 would be far better shutting up about that. I am sure it plays great with black voters, but she wins those 90% to 10% already, where as a lot of middle America folk will be thinking why shouldn't we have that.
I'm switching off TV now - the media are so biased one way it makes very dull viewing.
Seriously, get out of your bubble.
In the US they are.
Let me guess, all except Fox?
They are biased in the other way. It's not like the news back in the UK.
The Pew Foundation did a very good analysis of the bias of the news outlets in the US. In fact, there were quite a few media outlets more to the left than Fox is to the right.
Interesting how far to the left the Beeb and the Economist are.
You appear to have misunderstood the report. The diagram shows the political views of those who watch the broadcaster, not bias (whether real or perceived)
No. There is a high correlation between the bias of the source and the people who choose it as their source of news.
There's nothing in the disgram you posted that shows that. It just shows that right wing people are more likely to watch Fox News. Quelle surprise.
The Clinton-Bot-2000 would be far better shutting up about that. I am sure it plays great with black voters, but she wins those 90% to 10% already, where as a lot of middle America folk will be thinking why shouldn't we have that.
Hillary used the magic word "unconstitutional".
Would appreciate some US perspective on this, but not doing something commonly perceived as effective policy because of posssibe constitutional restrictions will not play will with law and order voters, surely?
The Clinton-Bot-2000 would be far better shutting up about that. I am sure it plays great with black voters, but she wins those 90% to 10% already, where as a lot of middle America folk will be thinking why shouldn't we have that.
Hillary used the magic word "unconstitutional".
Would appreciate some US perspective on this, but not doing something commonly perceived as effective policy because of posssibe constitutional restrictions will not play will with law and order voters, surely?
Trump was almost right on this. A known lefty judge ruled stop and frisk unconstitutional in that in practice it places an excessive burden on black and hispanics. The judgment was very appealable (see Terry vs Ohio before the Supreme Court in 1968 which ruled constitutional limited search if the police suspect a detainee of having a weapons - stop and frisk), but wasn't appealed because the mayor, De Blasio, wanted to end stop and frisk.
Finally the CNN poll is out, 62% Hillary 27% Trump. Hillary is the next president and all because Trump is worse than even her.
Goodnight.
Did no one tell you about events?
Even events can't prevent terrible debate performances from losing candidates.
Hillary was bad, but Trump was horrible, and nothing is going to change that. What did Trump do in preparing for this debate ?
What is done is done, Hillary will be President and Trump will kick himself for not preparing properly for that debate.
I'm pretty sure events can. She may be 90% likely, but it's not 100% until the fat lady (the electorate) sings.
I'm glad you also agree with my long held view that Hillary has always had a 90% chance of victory since the conventions.
Why would anyone think that Trump had a good chance of winning the debates?
Sure he won the GOP debates but because it was a typical republican voter who was the audience, to any average person he was always terrible at those GOP debates, he couldn't even complete a sentence, he makes George W.Bush look like a super genius.
The Clinton-Bot-2000 would be far better shutting up about that. I am sure it plays great with black voters, but she wins those 90% to 10% already, where as a lot of middle America folk will be thinking why shouldn't we have that.
Hillary used the magic word "unconstitutional".
Would appreciate some US perspective on this, but not doing something commonly perceived as effective policy because of posssibe constitutional restrictions will not play will with law and order voters, surely?
well May has said stop and search needs to be reformed so it's intelligence led, she must think it's not really a vote loser to say that( I think).
Finally the CNN poll is out, 62% Hillary 27% Trump. Hillary is the next president and all because Trump is worse than even her.
Goodnight.
Did no one tell you about events?
Even events can't prevent terrible debate performances from losing candidates.
Hillary was bad, but Trump was horrible, and nothing is going to change that. What did Trump do in preparing for this debate ?
What is done is done, Hillary will be President and Trump will kick himself for not preparing properly for that debate.
I'm pretty sure events can. She may be 90% likely, but it's not 100% until the fat lady (the electorate) sings.
I'm glad you also agree with my long held view that Hillary has always had a 90% chance of victory since the conventions.
Why would anyone think that Trump had a good chance of winning the debates?
Sure he won the GOP debates but because it was a typical republican voter who was the audience, to any average person he was always terrible at those GOP debates, he couldn't even complete a sentence, he makes George W.Bush look like a super genius.
I think it's more like 75%/25% at the moment, but my point about events stands.
Finally the CNN poll is out, 62% Hillary 27% Trump. Hillary is the next president and all because Trump is worse than even her.
Goodnight.
Did no one tell you about events?
Even events can't prevent terrible debate performances from losing candidates.
Hillary was bad, but Trump was horrible, and nothing is going to change that. What did Trump do in preparing for this debate ?
What is done is done, Hillary will be President and Trump will kick himself for not preparing properly for that debate.
I'm pretty sure events can. She may be 90% likely, but it's not 100% until the fat lady (the electorate) sings.
Indeed, I have not understood Trump's success throughout the primary campaigns. In my view, he should have lost after each primary debate. But he did not. To state that it is all over based on this debate is simply to ignore past evidence. I will take Einstein's advice on this one.
Finally the CNN poll is out, 62% Hillary 27% Trump. Hillary is the next president and all because Trump is worse than even her.
Goodnight.
Did no one tell you about events?
Even events can't prevent terrible debate performances from losing candidates.
Hillary was bad, but Trump was horrible, and nothing is going to change that. What did Trump do in preparing for this debate ?
What is done is done, Hillary will be President and Trump will kick himself for not preparing properly for that debate.
I'm pretty sure events can. She may be 90% likely, but it's not 100% until the fat lady (the electorate) sings.
Indeed, I have not understood Trump's success throughout the primary campaigns. In my view, he should have lost after each primary debate. But he did not. To state that it is all over based on this debate is simply to ignore past evidence. I will take Einstein's advice on this one.
This isn't over by any stretch, but isn't comparing a primary to the General election like comparing Labour party leadership selectorate to our next GE?
Finally the CNN poll is out, 62% Hillary 27% Trump. Hillary is the next president and all because Trump is worse than even her.
Goodnight.
Did no one tell you about events?
Even events can't prevent terrible debate performances from losing candidates.
Hillary was bad, but Trump was horrible, and nothing is going to change that. What did Trump do in preparing for this debate ?
What is done is done, Hillary will be President and Trump will kick himself for not preparing properly for that debate.
I'm pretty sure events can. She may be 90% likely, but it's not 100% until the fat lady (the electorate) sings.
Indeed, I have not understood Trump's success throughout the primary campaigns. In my view, he should have lost after each primary debate. But he did not. To state that it is all over based on this debate is simply to ignore past evidence. I will take Einstein's advice on this one.
This isn't over by any stretch, but isn't comparing a primary to the General election like comparing Labour party leadership selectorate to our next GE?
No. Labour are polling in the 20s and Tories in the 40s. This is a close election that Hillary should already have so in the bag it shouldn't even be debated. There are a lot of angry voters out there. Will they vote? We don't know the answer to that question.
The Clinton-Bot-2000 would be far better shutting up about that. I am sure it plays great with black voters, but she wins those 90% to 10% already, where as a lot of middle America folk will be thinking why shouldn't we have that.
Hillary used the magic word "unconstitutional".
Would appreciate some US perspective on this, but not doing something commonly perceived as effective policy because of posssibe constitutional restrictions will not play will with law and order voters, surely?
To most Americans, including and perhaps especially the law and order lobby, the constitution is holy writ.
The Hill and Time have both come out with Trump winning the debate
again, not sure how anyone could be viewed as winning that debate!
My view is it was a score draw. The polls were just as reported by Hannity, but wanted to (possibly) redress the opinion a casual reader might get from the below
The Hill and Time have both come out with Trump winning the debate
again, not sure how anyone could be viewed as winning that debate!
My view is it was a score draw. The polls were just as reported by Hannity, but wanted to (possibly) redress the opinion a casual reader might get from the below
I think there will now be a moderate tick back to Clinton. We'll see what the next few weeks bring, especially if Trump actually prepares for the next debate
The key moments were Trump's claim that not to pay taxes was "smart". This will hurt him in some of his base. Second the section on women. This will consolidate Clinton's base.
Neither is a great debater but Clinton is at least coherent and therefore a good night for Clinton and the rest of the planet.
The key moments were Trump's claim that not to pay taxes was "smart". This will hurt him in some of his base. Second the section on women. This will consolidate Clinton's base.
Neither is a great debater but Clinton is at least coherent and therefore a good night for Clinton and the rest of the planet.
Doesn't his base hate big government? Starving the beast and all that....
Trump definitely outperformed Clinton first 20 or so minutes. She looked nervous, spoke very hesitantly and didn't seem comfortable. But she turned it around and was definitely on top by the end.
His complaining about media coverage and some of his later rambling answers about people no one has ever heard of - all that makes him look like he is losing.
The line about it being smart not to pay taxes... may go over very badly. Clinton campaign adverts can say: "Do you pay taxes? Donald Trump thinks your stupid"
Betting odds seem to have shifted a little to make Clinton more of a favourite since the debate.
The key moments were Trump's claim that not to pay taxes was "smart". This will hurt him in some of his base. Second the section on women. This will consolidate Clinton's base.
Neither is a great debater but Clinton is at least coherent and therefore a good night for Clinton and the rest of the planet.
Doesn't his base hate big government? Starving the beast and all that....
Yes- they definitely hate big government.
But will they like being called stupid for paying taxes? Maybe not...
The key moments were Trump's claim that not to pay taxes was "smart". This will hurt him in some of his base. Second the section on women. This will consolidate Clinton's base.
Neither is a great debater but Clinton is at least coherent and therefore a good night for Clinton and the rest of the planet.
Doesn't his base hate big government? Starving the beast and all that....
Yes- they definitely hate big government.
But will they like being called stupid for paying taxes? Maybe not...
If there was a legal way I could avoid paying tax, I'd use it. Alas, there isn't
The case against Big Sam, as it currently stands although hugely damaging, is probably just short of getting him the sack, especially taking into account how such a move would reflect on his employers, the English F.A. and their senior officers so recently responsible for having appointed him. Whether he ultimately survives therefore probably depends on three aspects. First the amount and nature of any further evidence, which the Daily Telegraph can produce against him. Second, the extent to which the newspapers in general decide to hang him out to dry over the coming days. Third, based on expert legal opinion, how many highly embarrassing millions of pounds it would cost to be rid of him. Taking these aspects into account and expressed in betting terms, I'd currently give him a 4/6 chance of surviving and a 2/1 chance against being sacked with a £2m+ pay-off.... lucky boy. As for his would-be likely successor, the safe choice would surely have to "Mr Clean" Gareth Southgate wouldn't it?
The Hill and Time have both come out with Trump winning the debate
again, not sure how anyone could be viewed as winning that debate!
My view is it was a score draw. The polls were just as reported by Hannity, but wanted to (possibly) redress the opinion a casual reader might get from the below
I think there will now be a moderate tick back to Clinton. We'll see what the next few weeks bring, especially if Trump actually prepares for the next debate
I don't think debates are very important in the grand scheme of things but Hillary has been at the bottom of a media cycle, and with the health issue some Sanders people will have been telling themselves she might drop out and they'll get their guy, so telling pollsters they won't support her. These things were going to rebound eventually if she could continue standing up, but this should be enough to make them ping back now, so it could be quite a big move.
The Hill and Time have both come out with Trump winning the debate
again, not sure how anyone could be viewed as winning that debate!
My view is it was a score draw. The polls were just as reported by Hannity, but wanted to (possibly) redress the opinion a casual reader might get from the below
I think there will now be a moderate tick back to Clinton. We'll see what the next few weeks bring, especially if Trump actually prepares for the next debate
I don't think debates are very important in the grand scheme of things but Hillary has been at the bottom of a media cycle, and with the health issue some Sanders people will have been telling themselves she might drop out and they'll get their guy, so telling pollsters they won't support her. These things were going to rebound eventually if she could continue standing up, but this should be enough to make them ping back now, so it could be quite a big move.
I'm hedging my bets and going for a moderate move. Agree that debates are less and less important these days.
Rob - It's only a brief guest appearance by me to comment on the "Big Sam" situation by way of some blessed relief away from the utter tedium that is La Hillary vs The Donald.
I'm not one for wasting my time so I'll be going back to bed very shortly, but don't let me discourage you from engaging in whatever you have in mind.
Rob - It's only a brief guest appearance by me to comment on the "Big Sam" situation by way of some blessed relief away from the utter tedium that is La Hillary vs The Donald.
I'm not one for wasting my time so I'll be going back to bed very shortly, but don't let me discourage you from engaging in whatever you have in mind.
I see what you are doing... trying to lull me into a false sense of security!
Apparently CNN's focus group poll has 18 out of 20 undecided voters in Orlando saying Hillary won the debate.
hahahaha
See mike ks report about time saying 58-42 Trump.
Its a repeat of the Clegg Farage Brexit debate and Obamas Sermon again. The great and the good solemnly opine that Clinton has won but the people think differently and the experts scratch their head bewildered.
The key moments were Trump's claim that not to pay taxes was "smart". This will hurt him in some of his base. Second the section on women. This will consolidate Clinton's base.
Neither is a great debater but Clinton is at least coherent and therefore a good night for Clinton and the rest of the planet.
Doesn't his base hate big government? Starving the beast and all that....
Yes- they definitely hate big government.
But will they like being called stupid for paying taxes? Maybe not...
If there was a legal way I could avoid paying tax, I'd use it. Alas, there isn't
Option 1 - earn no money Option 2 - move to dubai
There are other more complicated options
I have not paid any tax for over 15 years...totally legal
Good morning all. I didn't watch the debate, but TIME, no friend of Trump says he won it: twitter.com/TheDonaldNews/status/780614105228976128
Internet polls are easy to game, unfortunately.
May be, but if it had gone the other way, would you be pleased or sorry?
Mike - off topic - but many congratulations on having finally being confirmed as the winner of the June Referendum competition. Take care to invest your Wm. Hill £100 prize bet wisely. There must have been moments over the past THREE MONTHS when you wondered whether you ever even be confirmed as the winner. All rather odd that, I had naively imagined that this "nojam" thingy wondrously spewed out the winner of such competitions in a couple of nanoseconds, but seemingly I was wrong!
The key moments were Trump's claim that not to pay taxes was "smart". This will hurt him in some of his base. Second the section on women. This will consolidate Clinton's base.
Neither is a great debater but Clinton is at least coherent and therefore a good night for Clinton and the rest of the planet.
Doesn't his base hate big government? Starving the beast and all that....
Yes- they definitely hate big government.
But will they like being called stupid for paying taxes? Maybe not...
If there was a legal way I could avoid paying tax, I'd use it. Alas, there isn't
Option 1 - earn no money Option 2 - move to dubai
There are other more complicated options
I have not paid any tax for over 15 years...totally legal
There are certain avenues in my job to avoid income tax, you can also get a diplomatic passport which would be pretty convenient!
The key moments were Trump's claim that not to pay taxes was "smart". This will hurt him in some of his base. Second the section on women. This will consolidate Clinton's base.
Neither is a great debater but Clinton is at least coherent and therefore a good night for Clinton and the rest of the planet.
It's often the "off the cuff" witty repartee that comes back to bite you - and it brings the conversation back to his unpunished tax return...
guliani saying that trump may not do the other debates because of moderator bias
they should empty chair the twat
To be fair, Trump did get all the hostile questioning. Clinton was not asked one hostile question. I agree not doing the other debates would be a mistake.
guliani saying that trump may not do the other debates because of moderator bias
they should empty chair the twat
To be fair, Trump did get all the hostile questioning. Clinton was not asked one hostile question. I agree not doing the other debates would be a mistake.
In common with other senior business men he's not used to a hostile audience or being publicly challenged - subservient employees and adoring crowds have been his experience to date.
guliani saying that trump may not do the other debates because of moderator bias
they should empty chair the twat
To be fair, Trump did get all the hostile questioning. Clinton was not asked one hostile question. I agree not doing the other debates would be a mistake.
In common with other senior business men he's not used to a hostile audience or being publicly challenged - subservient employees and adoring crowds have been his experience to date.
guliani saying that trump may not do the other debates because of moderator bias
they should empty chair the twat
To be fair, Trump did get all the hostile questioning. Clinton was not asked one hostile question. I agree not doing the other debates would be a mistake.
In common with other senior business men he's not used to a hostile audience or being publicly challenged - subservient employees and adoring crowds have been his experience to date.
Not sure that was the case in the GOP debates!
Maybe they lulled him into a false sense of superiority security?
Good morning all. I didn't watch the debate, but TIME, no friend of Trump says he won it: twitter.com/TheDonaldNews/status/780614105228976128
Internet polls are easy to game, unfortunately.
May be, but if it had gone the other way, would you be pleased or sorry?
Mike - off topic - but many congratulations on having finally being confirmed as the winner of the June Referendum competition. Take care to invest your Wm. Hill £100 prize bet wisely. There must have been moments over the past THREE MONTHS when you wondered whether you ever even be confirmed as the winner. All rather odd that, I had naively imagined that this "nojam" thingy wondrously spewed out the winner of such competitions in a couple of nanoseconds, but seemingly I was wrong!
I must be totally naive as I did't know, or forgot, about the Wm. Hill £100 prize for first place. How do I collect it?
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Hillary is the next president and all because Trump is worse than even her.
Goodnight.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-37475381
Hillary was bad, but Trump was horrible, and nothing is going to change that.
What did Trump do in preparing for this debate ?
What is done is done, Hillary will be President and Trump will kick himself for not preparing properly for that debate.
Why would anyone think that Trump had a good chance of winning the debates?
Sure he won the GOP debates but because it was a typical republican voter who was the audience, to any average person he was always terrible at those GOP debates, he couldn't even complete a sentence, he makes George W.Bush look like a super genius.
Neither is a great debater but Clinton is at least coherent and therefore a good night for Clinton and the rest of the planet.
His complaining about media coverage and some of his later rambling answers about people no one has ever heard of - all that makes him look like he is losing.
The line about it being smart not to pay taxes... may go over very badly. Clinton campaign adverts can say: "Do you pay taxes? Donald Trump thinks your stupid"
Betting odds seem to have shifted a little to make Clinton more of a favourite since the debate.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/who-won-and-lost-the-first-presidential-tv-debate-donald-trump-o/
But will they like being called stupid for paying taxes? Maybe not...
Whether he ultimately survives therefore probably depends on three aspects. First the amount and nature of any further evidence, which the Daily Telegraph can produce against him. Second, the extent to which the newspapers in general decide to hang him out to dry over the coming days. Third, based on expert legal opinion, how many highly embarrassing millions of pounds it would cost to be rid of him.
Taking these aspects into account and expressed in betting terms, I'd currently give him a 4/6 chance of surviving and a 2/1 chance against being sacked with a £2m+ pay-off.... lucky boy.
As for his would-be likely successor, the safe choice would surely have to "Mr Clean" Gareth Southgate wouldn't it?
I'm not one for wasting my time so I'll be going back to bed very shortly, but don't let me discourage you from engaging in whatever you have in mind.
https://twitter.com/TheDonaldNews/status/780614105228976128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8zf027VlA8
See mike ks report about time saying 58-42 Trump.
Its a repeat of the Clegg Farage Brexit debate and Obamas Sermon again. The great and the good solemnly opine that Clinton has won but the people think differently and the experts scratch their head bewildered.
Option 2 - move to dubai
There are other more complicated options
I have not paid any tax for over 15 years...totally legal
they should empty chair the twat
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/780640667412402176