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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Smith backer, Don Brind is amused to find himself on the same page as arch Corbynista Paul Mason

“Don’t forget, It was Godfather Two that won the Oscar”. That was the cheering thought offered to a bunch of Saving Labour stalwarts who gathered to reflect on their failure to avert Jeremy Corbyn’s second leadership landslide. The unanimous view was that Labour still needs saving from electoral disaster through a change of leader. The Godfather analogy inspires the hope that the next time will be more successful.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,426
    edited October 2016
    Saving Labour should make Corbyn an offer he can't refuse
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Any odds on Paul Mason being the next Labour leader ? Is there an obvious north London seat for him to parachute into ?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    There are now 96 runners in the next Lab leader market on Betfair.

    I think 16.5 is too short for Starmer.
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    grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Glad Labour chose a millionaire public schoolboy Islington elite then eh?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    96 runners !

    You don't even get that in the Grand National :)
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115
    Labour is a party of Fredo's in need of a Sonny.

    Labour Party sleeps with the fishes....
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited October 2016
    SeanT said:

    TGOHF said:

    Any odds on Paul Mason being the next Labour leader ? Is there an obvious north London seat for him to parachute into ?

    He's possibly worse than Corbyn. An out-and-out Marxist "intellectual". Varoufakis with worse leather jackets. So, yeah, hopefully he'll take over from Corbyn in about 2022, to lead the 37 remaining Labour MPs in Westminster
    "Marxist intellectual" - a fine oxymoron. You must be a writer or summit.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    Labour is a party of Fredo's in need of a Sonny.

    Labour Party sleeps with the fishes....

    Labour's Sonny is currently coming last in a dancing show. The voters of Morely and Outwood saw to his end.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Pulpstar said:

    96 runners !

    You don't even get that in the Grand National :)

    You do ante post, I count over 100 on Oddschecker.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896
    edited October 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    There are now 96 runners in the next Lab leader market on Betfair.

    I think 16.5 is too short for Starmer.

    And what are the odds bar those 96? ;)
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I love the Labour next leader market.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    TGOHF said:

    Any odds on Paul Mason being the next Labour leader ? Is there an obvious north London seat for him to parachute into ?

    He's possibly worse than Corbyn. An out-and-out Marxist "intellectual". Varoufakis with worse leather jackets. So, yeah, hopefully he'll take over from Corbyn in about 2022, to lead the 37 remaining Labour MPs in Westminster
    "Marxist intellectual" - a fine oxymoron. You must be a writer or summit.
    To be fair to Marx, he was undoubtedly an intellectual. Like many another intellectual, he went to great lengths to prove on paper that the world in reality was the same as the one he imagined it to be, with mixed results.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    edited October 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    96 runners !

    You don't even get that in the Grand National :)

    I had a really distasteful joke lined up about 96 people, but probably not worth the ban.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    96 runners !

    You don't even get that in the Grand National :)

    I has a really distasteful joke lined up about 96 people, but probably not worth the ban.
    The scumbag Man United fans don't need any more encouragement.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    “the best bit of opposition we have done in the past five years.

    Is there anye vidence that labour is cutting through to the public at the moment?
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Dear oh dear Don. You called the Labour leadership wrong but you have now done much worse.

    I think you'll find The Godfather won the Oscar for Best Pic too (1972).. it makes your analogy suspect.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Godfather II might have won the Oscar but both the first two are rated in the top three films of all time by imdb rankings.

    Anyway, all the speculation about 'who' fails to answer the question 'how'.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Anyway, to work.

    Still LOLing at the dimmer Leavers attempting to claim on the earlier thread that £350 million for the NHS was not a Leave campaign pledge.

    That non-pledge again:

    http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/secondary/Boris-Johnson-574738.jpg

    LOL.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Scott_P said:
    Rout coming? Hillary could beat Obama's ECV total from 2012.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Can I just say......I did call Clive Lewis ages ago, long before anyone was speaking about him, and before he was even on the betfair market.

    So a big congratulations to Tyson accompanied by a slap on the back....(albeit many posters here would like to slap me in other places)
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896
    tyson said:

    Can I just say......I did call Clive Lewis ages ago, long before anyone was speaking about him, and before he was even on the betfair market.

    So a big congratulations to Tyson accompanied by a slap on the back....(albeit many posters here would like to slap me in other places)

    You did indeed, well done!
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited October 2016
    @MaxPB

    It seems ridiculous that Gatwick could only be successful by hamstringing the competition.

    As for money and investment, there is always money to invest in projects which can show decent a return. GR2 would be a decent investment (£7bn) but would be dipping into the same well as HR3 so would find it tough going initially. I think once the dust settles they would be able to raise enough money to get it done. Not because there is some specific UK money for UK projects, just because new money is always looking to be invested, especially at a time of ridiculously low yield.

    In the end I think both will get the go ahead and both will get investment guarantees from the government. Stansted will be out of luck but get a commitment for the future.

    But to the original statement of nothing happening if they all got the go ahead, that's patently false. HR3 will happen as normal, just without being seen to be playing favourites. There is no way that Gatwick could build a court case on the back of stopping Heathrow from expanding because they can't raise the money."

    1) R3 would not happen as normal. The project is based on some pretty robust debt financing assumptions, and these assumptions are built on a risk profile (well a "no risk" profile, more like). If runways were awarded to multiple airports, the interest rates for LHR would, in all likelihood, rise. There would be knock-on consequences of that - not that I pretend to know what they would be.

    2) Or course LGW could be successful eventually, but any build would be deferred by a decade at least. Who knows what would happen in the intervening period (politically and/or economically).

    3) Government guarantee?! You're 'avin' a larf, mate.
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    Corbyn will be Corbyn and more people will come to see that. Lewis is a contender to replace him in 2018, but I'd make Lisa Nandy favourite with Keir Starmer the best outside bet.
    https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/787982688535937024
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    “the best bit of opposition we have done in the past five years.

    Is there anye vidence that labour is cutting through to the public at the moment?

    And that says a lot.

    FWIW, it's not true. The opposition to the 2012 budget was the best of Labour's last five years, and knocked the Conservatives back by about 6-10 points in the polls for at least a year. The Questions About Brexit haven't touched them because it's basically a Westminster story. What it has done is fire up the PLP's mojo a little.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    Good to see that the nutty councillor from Guildford has been suspended from the local party for his fascistic referendum.

    http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/guildford-councillor-suspended-over-petition-12036847

    What a berk.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Jobabob said:

    Scott_P said:
    Rout coming? Hillary could beat Obama's ECV total from 2012.
    That was hardly a rout. Obama won by less than 4%.

    A rout would be surpassing Obama's 2008 total.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Jobabob said:

    Scott_P said:
    Rout coming? Hillary could beat Obama's ECV total from 2012.
    That was hardly a rout. Obama won by less than 4%.

    A rout would be surpassing Obama's 2008 total.
    Both wins were blowouts in the electoral college.
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    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    96 runners !

    You don't even get that in the Grand National :)

    I has a really distasteful joke lined up about 96 people, but probably not worth the ban.
    The scumbag Man United fans don't need any more encouragement.
    I'm off to Anfield tonight, the banners on the bridges really are distasteful. I'm hoping for better tonight
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    On topic: Clive Lewis is not a serious contender for PM. Maybe he is the next Labour leader but he certainly would never be PM.

    He always looks like he's about to nut someone.

    And as for Nandy, she comes across as a thicker version of Emily Thornberry.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    On topic: Clive Lewis is not a serious contender for PM. Maybe he is the next Labour leader but he certainly would never be PM.

    He always looks like he's about to nut someone.

    And as for Nandy, she comes across as a thicker version of Emily Thornberry.

    I'm pretty sure UKIP have shown the world that's what Brexit Britain is all about.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    96 runners !

    You don't even get that in the Grand National :)

    I has a really distasteful joke lined up about 96 people, but probably not worth the ban.
    The scumbag Man United fans don't need any more encouragement.
    I'm off to Anfield tonight, the banners on the bridges really are distasteful. I'm hoping for better tonight
    Unlikely. Especially if Liverpool look like winning (they should).
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    Scott_P said:
    Rout coming? Hillary could beat Obama's ECV total from 2012.
    That was hardly a rout. Obama won by less than 4%.

    A rout would be surpassing Obama's 2008 total.
    Both wins were blowouts in the electoral college.
    1964, 1972 and 1984 were blowouts. I'd put Obama's wins - even his 365-173 victory over McCain - in the 'comfortable' category.
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    LibDem peer Jenny Tonge has worked out who is to blame for the rise in anti-Semitism: Israel, of course!

    http://order-order.com/2016/10/17/jenny-tonge-rise-anti-semitism-israels-fault/
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
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    On topic: Clive Lewis is not a serious contender for PM. Maybe he is the next Labour leader but he certainly would never be PM.

    He always looks like he's about to nut someone.

    And as for Nandy, she comes across as a thicker version of Emily Thornberry.

    With Davis, Fox, Leadsm, Patel, Johnson, Rudd etc in the cabinet the bar is very low these days. Corbyn doesn''t get over it, but most others would. Nandy and Lewis are not ideal, but they are a thousand times better than JC and if Brexit is not the success we've been promised could, at a minimum, ensure the Tories lose their overall majority in 2020.

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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    MaxPB said:

    On topic: Clive Lewis is not a serious contender for PM. Maybe he is the next Labour leader but he certainly would never be PM.

    He always looks like he's about to nut someone.

    And as for Nandy, she comes across as a thicker version of Emily Thornberry.

    I'm pretty sure UKIP have shown the world that's what Brexit Britain is all about.
    You've reminded me that UKIP are due to meet today to set a date for the leadership election.

    Their support doesn't seem to have been impacted by recent events, although the Brexit vote itself saw a 2 or 3% drop.

    I guess the none of the above crowd are pretty hard to repel.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    96 runners !

    You don't even get that in the Grand National :)

    I has a really distasteful joke lined up about 96 people, but probably not worth the ban.
    The scumbag Man United fans don't need any more encouragement.
    I'm off to Anfield tonight, the banners on the bridges really are distasteful. I'm hoping for better tonight
    Fingers crossed for a peaceful evening.
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956

    Good to see that the nutty councillor from Guildford has been suspended from the local party for his fascistic referendum.

    http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/guildford-councillor-suspended-over-petition-12036847

    What a berk.

    Quite right.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612
    SeanT said:

    FFS. Some of them are clearly in their 20s. Even early 30s.

    I inagine most Brits had an image of vulnerable 8 year olds. I know I did.
    At least they've all had a shave so they look a bit younger.

    BTW, Am I the only PBer who has never seen any of the Godfather films?
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    MaxPB said:
    You couldn't invent pictures more likely to prompt serious questions.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Michigan - Glengariff/Detroit News - Samples 600 - 10-11 Oct

    Clinton 47 .. Trump 33

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/12/presidential-poll-michigan/91964392/
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    tyson said:

    Can I just say......I did call Clive Lewis ages ago, long before anyone was speaking about him, and before he was even on the betfair market.

    So a big congratulations to Tyson accompanied by a slap on the back....(albeit many posters here would like to slap me in other places)

    Well done.

    I'd like to point out that I tipped Richard Burgon at 100/1, he's now 25/1

    Next Labour leader Richard Burgon, nailed on.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896
    FPT:
    PlatoSaid said:

    The Star Sheffield
    Eight men found guilty of sexually abusing teenage girls in Rotherham...
    https://t.co/I5H9q1jwxc https://t.co/IMzcDxKSqJ

    :o

    "The court heard details of how the central complainant in the case had reported her abuse to police on two occasions when she was just 13 years old in 2003 - but no action was ever taken.

    "Her family also wrote to then Home Secretary David Blunkett to highlight what they said was happening to her at the hands of a group of Asian males."

    "...her clothing seized at the time was lost and no scientific examination ever conducted.

    "...the girl made further disclosures to the police in October 2003 about other men involved her alleged abuse - but the case did not proceed after her family were subjected to threats."


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    SeanT said:

    FFS. Some of them are clearly in their 20s. Even early 30s.

    I inagine most Brits had an image of vulnerable 8 year olds. I know I did.
    At least they've all had a shave so they look a bit younger.

    BTW, Am I the only PBer who has never seen any of the Godfather films?
    You aren't allowed back on PB until you've watched the first two Godfather films.

    Don't watch the third Godfather film, it's like home made porn, you really regret making it and pretend it never happened, and the less it is seen the better.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    SeanT said:

    FFS. Some of them are clearly in their 20s. Even early 30s.

    I inagine most Brits had an image of vulnerable 8 year olds. I know I did.
    At least they've all had a shave so they look a bit younger.

    BTW, Am I the only PBer who has never seen any of the Godfather films?
    No, I've never seen them either. I bought the set about three years ago but still haven't got round to watching. Next time I'm ill, perhaps.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    SeanT said:

    FFS. Some of them are clearly in their 20s. Even early 30s.

    I inagine most Brits had an image of vulnerable 8 year olds. I know I did.
    At least they've all had a shave so they look a bit younger.

    BTW, Am I the only PBer who has never seen any of the Godfather films?
    I haven't - though I would like to.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Don't watch the third Godfather film, it's like home made porn, you really regret making it and pretend it never happened, and the less it is seen the better.

    I know people who worked on that film
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847

    On topic: Clive Lewis is not a serious contender for PM. Maybe he is the next Labour leader but he certainly would never be PM.

    He always looks like he's about to nut someone.

    And as for Nandy, she comes across as a thicker version of Emily Thornberry.

    With Davis, Fox, Leadsm, Patel, Johnson, Rudd etc in the cabinet the bar is very low these days. Corbyn doesn''t get over it, but most others would. Nandy and Lewis are not ideal, but they are a thousand times better than JC and if Brexit is not the success we've been promised could, at a minimum, ensure the Tories lose their overall majority in 2020.

    I think/hope Rudd will recover her dignity after the Conference. She doesn't appear downright stupid in the same way Fox, Leadsom and Patel do.

    The real bar is May. Not sure anyone currently in the Labour field is really up to it.

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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    tyson said:

    Can I just say......I did call Clive Lewis ages ago, long before anyone was speaking about him, and before he was even on the betfair market.

    So a big congratulations to Tyson accompanied by a slap on the back....(albeit many posters here would like to slap me in other places)

    Well done.

    I'd like to point out that I tipped Richard Burgon at 100/1, he's now 25/1

    Next Labour leader Richard Burgon, nailed on.
    I think we need a PB rule, from now Richard Burgon will be known as "The Farting Commie" or TFC for short.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    I love the Labour next leader market.

    I have managed to lose money on it. I'm am sad.

    Every since I didn't place that fiver on Corbyn @ 900 on Betfair I am sad.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612
    Scott_P said:

    Don't watch the third Godfather film, it's like home made porn, you really regret making it and pretend it never happened, and the less it is seen the better.

    I know people who worked on that film
    Are you referring to Godfather 3 or the home-porno?
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    On topic: Clive Lewis is not a serious contender for PM. Maybe he is the next Labour leader but he certainly would never be PM.

    He always looks like he's about to nut someone.

    And as for Nandy, she comes across as a thicker version of Emily Thornberry.

    With Davis, Fox, Leadsm, Patel, Johnson, Rudd etc in the cabinet the bar is very low these days. Corbyn doesn''t get over it, but most others would. Nandy and Lewis are not ideal, but they are a thousand times better than JC and if Brexit is not the success we've been promised could, at a minimum, ensure the Tories lose their overall majority in 2020.

    I think/hope Rudd will recover her dignity after the Conference. She doesn't appear downright stupid in the same way Fox, Leadsom and Patel do.

    The real bar is May. Not sure anyone currently in the Labour field is really up to it.

    Today, perhaps not. But Corbyn's not going for a couple of years.

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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847

    On topic: Clive Lewis is not a serious contender for PM. Maybe he is the next Labour leader but he certainly would never be PM.

    He always looks like he's about to nut someone.

    And as for Nandy, she comes across as a thicker version of Emily Thornberry.

    With Davis, Fox, Leadsm, Patel, Johnson, Rudd etc in the cabinet the bar is very low these days. Corbyn doesn''t get over it, but most others would. Nandy and Lewis are not ideal, but they are a thousand times better than JC and if Brexit is not the success we've been promised could, at a minimum, ensure the Tories lose their overall majority in 2020.

    I think/hope Rudd will recover her dignity after the Conference. She doesn't appear downright stupid in the same way Fox, Leadsom and Patel do.

    The real bar is May. Not sure anyone currently in the Labour field is really up to it.

    Today, perhaps not. But Corbyn's not going for a couple of years.

    Unless there is an election next year. Which I currently reckon at 50% odds. In which case Corbyn will be immolated.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Rentool, sounds like the Grip and Best Boy roles were not plum jobs.
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    SeanT said:

    FFS. Some of them are clearly in their 20s. Even early 30s.

    I inagine most Brits had an image of vulnerable 8 year olds. I know I did.
    At least they've all had a shave so they look a bit younger.

    BTW, Am I the only PBer who has never seen any of the Godfather films?
    You aren't allowed back on PB until you've watched the first two Godfather films.

    Don't watch the third Godfather film, it's like home made porn, you really regret making it and pretend it never happened, and the less it is seen the better.
    Without homemade porn, how do you explain the fluffers to your other half?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Alistair said:

    I love the Labour next leader market.

    I have managed to lose money on it. I'm am sad.

    Every since I didn't place that fiver on Corbyn @ 900 on Betfair I am sad.
    Well at least you weren't the chap or lady who laid him out at 900 !
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    On topic: Clive Lewis is not a serious contender for PM. Maybe he is the next Labour leader but he certainly would never be PM.

    He always looks like he's about to nut someone.

    And as for Nandy, she comes across as a thicker version of Emily Thornberry.

    With Davis, Fox, Leadsm, Patel, Johnson, Rudd etc in the cabinet the bar is very low these days. Corbyn doesn''t get over it, but most others would. Nandy and Lewis are not ideal, but they are a thousand times better than JC and if Brexit is not the success we've been promised could, at a minimum, ensure the Tories lose their overall majority in 2020.

    I think/hope Rudd will recover her dignity after the Conference. She doesn't appear downright stupid in the same way Fox, Leadsom and Patel do.

    The real bar is May. Not sure anyone currently in the Labour field is really up to it.

    Today, perhaps not. But Corbyn's not going for a couple of years.

    Unless there is an election next year. Which I currently reckon at 50% odds. In which case Corbyn will be immolated.

    Yep, that's true.

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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942

    MaxPB said:

    On topic: Clive Lewis is not a serious contender for PM. Maybe he is the next Labour leader but he certainly would never be PM.

    He always looks like he's about to nut someone.

    And as for Nandy, she comes across as a thicker version of Emily Thornberry.

    I'm pretty sure UKIP have shown the world that's what Brexit Britain is all about.
    You've reminded me that UKIP are due to meet today to set a date for the leadership election.

    Their support doesn't seem to have been impacted by recent events, although the Brexit vote itself saw a 2 or 3% drop.

    I guess the none of the above crowd are pretty hard to repel.
    Could be, or could be churn.

    Since the referendum. I suspect they've taken a 3-4% chunk from Labour oop North and lost 3-4% to the Tories in Midlands and South.

    I.E. Making the Tory vote far more efficient.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    Anorak said:

    DeClare said:

    Dunno what was wrong with the Boris Island idea.
    Build a massive 6 runway, 12 terminal airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary, no one to complain about noise or pollution because the planes fly over the water.
    Close Heathrow, Gatwick, Luton and Stanstead for redevelopment to pay for it.
    Call it not 'Boris Island' but say the Queen Elizabeth the Second international airport or 'London QEII'
    It would be the largest and busiest airport in the world, served by superfast trains from the centre of London.
    I don't think this idea has been properly explored.

    No it's been explored to death, even after every competent study agreed it was a dumb non-starter.
    That depends on the constraints set on the study. In the long term (50+ years, passenger / freight growth continuing as it has), it is the most sensible, and possibly cheapest, option. Sadly, greater constraints were put on the commission.

    I believe that the extra capacity enabled by HR3 will be filled pretty much as soon as it is opened, perhaps moving the bubble of capacity constraints elsewhere (e.g. terminal space, transport). Then we'll be going through this ordeal all over again.

    Or, if the point-to-point proponents are to be believed, not.
    A third runway will indeed be pretty much full as soon as it opens, which is why the decision has to be for two new runways.
    I think three, one at each of Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted. Leave the door open for a fourth at Heathrow. Close down Luton.
    All of Luton, or just the airport?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Are you referring to Godfather 3 or the home-porno?

    Yes
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    SeanT said:

    Those images of the 35 year old "children" arriving in the UK are maybe the biggest possible own goal for anyone who wants to actually help refugees. It's just insultingly stupid, and now going viral on Twitter.

    Why does the "caring" liberal left do this shit? What's wrong with them?

    They don't for one minute think migrants could be telling porkies?
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    SeanT said:

    Those images of the 35 year old "children" arriving in the UK are possibly the biggest possible own goal for anyone who wants to actually help refugees. It's just insultingly stupid, and now going viral on Twitter.

    Why does the "caring" liberal left do this shit? What's wrong with them?

    It's a moral laziness.

    It is cosy and costs nothing to handwring about Syrial children.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    On topic: Clive Lewis is not a serious contender for PM. Maybe he is the next Labour leader but he certainly would never be PM.

    He always looks like he's about to nut someone.

    And as for Nandy, she comes across as a thicker version of Emily Thornberry.

    I'm pretty sure UKIP have shown the world that's what Brexit Britain is all about.
    You've reminded me that UKIP are due to meet today to set a date for the leadership election.

    Their support doesn't seem to have been impacted by recent events, although the Brexit vote itself saw a 2 or 3% drop.

    I guess the none of the above crowd are pretty hard to repel.
    Could be, or could be churn.

    Since the referendum. I suspect they've taken a 3-4% chunk from Labour oop North and lost 3-4% to the Tories in Midlands and South.

    I.E. Making the Tory vote far more efficient.
    I think if UKIP ever get their act together Hartlepool would be the first northern Labour domino to drop.
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    MaxPB said:

    tyson said:

    Can I just say......I did call Clive Lewis ages ago, long before anyone was speaking about him, and before he was even on the betfair market.

    So a big congratulations to Tyson accompanied by a slap on the back....(albeit many posters here would like to slap me in other places)

    Well done.

    I'd like to point out that I tipped Richard Burgon at 100/1, he's now 25/1

    Next Labour leader Richard Burgon, nailed on.
    I think we need a PB rule, from now Richard Burgon will be known as "The Farting Commie" or TFC for short.
    :smile: Agreed.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    SeanT said:

    Those images of the 35 year old "children" arriving in the UK are maybe the biggest possible own goal for anyone who wants to actually help refugees. It's just insultingly stupid, and now going viral on Twitter.

    Why does the "caring" liberal left do this shit? What's wrong with them?


    Well they are somebody's child...

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Pulpstar, that 'if' is so monumental it could've been carved into the EdStone.

    Hard to believe that was less than a year and a half ago.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    SeanT said:

    Those images of the 35 year old "children" arriving in the UK are possibly the biggest possible own goal for anyone who wants to actually help refugees. It's just insultingly stupid, and now going viral on Twitter.

    Why does the "caring" liberal left do this shit? What's wrong with them?

    It's a moral laziness.

    It is cosy and costs nothing to handwring about Syrial children.

    It's more than that. It's a boost to their ego that they're better than the rest of us.

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    Nothing new here on Trump's appeal but a good contemporaneous account of why his loyalists are staying loyal. < http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3839180/He-ogre-s-ogre-s-view-Trump-s-fanatical-supporters-hatred-Hillary-means-ll-forgive-writes-ROBERT-HARDMAN.html
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    Sandpit said:

    FPT:

    PlatoSaid said:

    The Star Sheffield
    Eight men found guilty of sexually abusing teenage girls in Rotherham...
    https://t.co/I5H9q1jwxc https://t.co/IMzcDxKSqJ

    ....."Her family also wrote to then Home Secretary David Blunkett to highlight what they said was happening to her at the hands of a group of Asian males."
    "...her clothing seized at the time was lost and no scientific examination ever conducted.
    Has Blunkett been asked if he saw the letter?
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Johnson collapse to Mcmullin.

    Politics1.com – ‏@Politics1com

    P2016 UT (Rasmussen): Trump 30%, McMullin 29%, Clinton: 28%, Johnson 5%, Stein 1%
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,059

    LibDem peer Jenny Tonge has worked out who is to blame for the rise in anti-Semitism: Israel, of course!

    http://order-order.com/2016/10/17/jenny-tonge-rise-anti-semitism-israels-fault/

    "It is difficult to believe that a 75% increase in anti Semitism it reports, have been committed by people who simply hate Jewish people for no reason.... Be tough on the causes of anti Semitism as well...."

    Perhaps Hitler was just 'tough on anti-Semitism, tough on the causes of anti-Semitism'? Can the historian Ken Livingstone advise?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    Anorak said:

    DeClare said:

    Dunno what was wrong with the Boris Island idea.
    Build a massive 6 runway, 12 terminal airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary, no one to complain about noise or pollution because the planes fly over the water.
    Close Heathrow, Gatwick, Luton and Stanstead for redevelopment to pay for it.
    Call it not 'Boris Island' but say the Queen Elizabeth the Second international airport or 'London QEII'
    It would be the largest and busiest airport in the world, served by superfast trains from the centre of London.
    I don't think this idea has been properly explored.

    No it's been explored to death, even after every competent study agreed it was a dumb non-starter.
    That depends on the constraints set on the study. In the long term (50+ years, passenger / freight growth continuing as it has), it is the most sensible, and possibly cheapest, option. Sadly, greater constraints were put on the commission.

    I believe that the extra capacity enabled by HR3 will be filled pretty much as soon as it is opened, perhaps moving the bubble of capacity constraints elsewhere (e.g. terminal space, transport). Then we'll be going through this ordeal all over again.

    Or, if the point-to-point proponents are to be believed, not.
    A third runway will indeed be pretty much full as soon as it opens, which is why the decision has to be for two new runways.
    I think three, one at each of Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted. Leave the door open for a fourth at Heathrow. Close down Luton.
    All of Luton, or just the airport?
    I'm open to either option.

    We drove through services near Luton on the M1 yesterday on the way back from Birmingham, there were a group of, err rowdy Asians stopping all the cars for some reason. Such a shithole.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,121
    JackW said:

    Michigan - Glengariff/Detroit News - Samples 600 - 10-11 Oct

    Clinton 47 .. Trump 33

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/12/presidential-poll-michigan/91964392/

    Michigan is usually classed as a "swing state". But with a 14 point lead for Clinton ... ?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280
    MaxPB said:

    tyson said:

    Can I just say......I did call Clive Lewis ages ago, long before anyone was speaking about him, and before he was even on the betfair market.

    So a big congratulations to Tyson accompanied by a slap on the back....(albeit many posters here would like to slap me in other places)

    Well done.

    I'd like to point out that I tipped Richard Burgon at 100/1, he's now 25/1

    Next Labour leader Richard Burgon, nailed on.
    I think we need a PB rule, from now Richard Burgon will be known as "The Farting Commie" or TFC for short.
    As the director of Terra Firma Chambers (or TFC for short) I really couldn't approve of that.
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    SeanT said:

    Those images of the 35 year old "children" arriving in the UK are possibly the biggest possible own goal for anyone who wants to actually help refugees. It's just insultingly stupid, and now going viral on Twitter.

    Why does the "caring" liberal left do this shit? What's wrong with them?

    It's a moral laziness.

    It is cosy and costs nothing to handwring about Syrial children.

    It's more than that. It's a boost to their ego that they're better than the rest of us.

    I don't believe that Amber Rudd is better than me.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Why does the "caring" liberal left do this shit? What's wrong with them?

    Left Liberal caring has to be visible.

    Millions of carers look after relatives behind closed doors. They never get helped because nobody is there to see it.
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    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    tyson said:

    Can I just say......I did call Clive Lewis ages ago, long before anyone was speaking about him, and before he was even on the betfair market.

    So a big congratulations to Tyson accompanied by a slap on the back....(albeit many posters here would like to slap me in other places)

    Well done.

    I'd like to point out that I tipped Richard Burgon at 100/1, he's now 25/1

    Next Labour leader Richard Burgon, nailed on.
    I think we need a PB rule, from now Richard Burgon will be known as "The Farting Commie" or TFC for short.
    As the director of Terra Firma Chambers (or TFC for short) I really couldn't approve of that.
    You're not on solid ground with that idea.

    Boom tish

    Some days I shouldn't even bother to take off my coat
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    taffys said:

    Why does the "caring" liberal left do this shit? What's wrong with them?

    Left Liberal caring has to be visible.

    Millions of carers look after relatives behind closed doors. They never get helped because nobody is there to see it.

    I am intrigued that it is the liberal left's fault the Conservative government has allowed some refugees who appear not to be children into the country.

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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    SeanT said:

    Those images of the 35 year old "children" arriving in the UK are maybe the biggest possible own goal for anyone who wants to actually help refugees. It's just insultingly stupid, and now going viral on Twitter.

    Why does the "caring" liberal left do this shit? What's wrong with them?

    They're at least mid 20s
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    Anorak said:

    DeClare said:

    Dunno what was wrong with the Boris Island idea.
    Build a massive 6 runway, 12 terminal airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary, no one to complain about noise or pollution because the planes fly over the water.
    Close Heathrow, Gatwick, Luton and Stanstead for redevelopment to pay for it.
    Call it not 'Boris Island' but say the Queen Elizabeth the Second international airport or 'London QEII'
    It would be the largest and busiest airport in the world, served by superfast trains from the centre of London.
    I don't think this idea has been properly explored.

    No it's been explored to death, even after every competent study agreed it was a dumb non-starter.
    That depends on the constraints set on the study. In the long term (50+ years, passenger / freight growth continuing as it has), it is the most sensible, and possibly cheapest, option. Sadly, greater constraints were put on the commission.

    I believe that the extra capacity enabled by HR3 will be filled pretty much as soon as it is opened, perhaps moving the bubble of capacity constraints elsewhere (e.g. terminal space, transport). Then we'll be going through this ordeal all over again.

    Or, if the point-to-point proponents are to be believed, not.
    A third runway will indeed be pretty much full as soon as it opens, which is why the decision has to be for two new runways.
    I think three, one at each of Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted. Leave the door open for a fourth at Heathrow. Close down Luton.
    All of Luton, or just the airport?
    I'm open to either option.

    We drove through services near Luton on the M1 yesterday on the way back from Birmingham, there were a group of, err rowdy Asians stopping all the cars for some reason. Such a shithole.
    Why were they stopping the cars?!
    We never found out as we drove the long way round out of the car park.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    tyson said:

    Can I just say......I did call Clive Lewis ages ago, long before anyone was speaking about him, and before he was even on the betfair market.

    So a big congratulations to Tyson accompanied by a slap on the back....(albeit many posters here would like to slap me in other places)

    Well done.

    I'd like to point out that I tipped Richard Burgon at 100/1, he's now 25/1

    Next Labour leader Richard Burgon, nailed on.
    I think we need a PB rule, from now Richard Burgon will be known as "The Farting Commie" or TFC for short.
    As the director of Terra Firma Chambers (or TFC for short) I really couldn't approve of that.
    You're not on solid ground with that idea.

    Boom tish

    Some days I shouldn't even bother to take off my coat
    That's where the name comes from. The set does a lot of land law and planning related matters.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896
    nunu said:

    Johnson collapse to Mcmullin.

    Politics1.com – ‏@Politics1com

    P2016 UT (Rasmussen): Trump 30%, McMullin 29%, Clinton: 28%, Johnson 5%, Stein 1%

    Wow, a proper 3-way marginal. Anyone know when was the last time a third party actually won a State?
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,121
    Sandpit said:

    nunu said:

    Johnson collapse to Mcmullin.

    Politics1.com – ‏@Politics1com

    P2016 UT (Rasmussen): Trump 30%, McMullin 29%, Clinton: 28%, Johnson 5%, Stein 1%

    Wow, a proper 3-way marginal. Anyone know when was the last time a third party actually won a State?
    If the Wikpedia article on Ross Perot can be believed:
    Robert La Follette had 13 in 1924, Strom Thurmond had 39 in 1948, George Wallace had 46 in 1968 and John Hospers won one in 1972, albeit from a faithless elector.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,121
    Chris said:

    Sandpit said:

    nunu said:

    Johnson collapse to Mcmullin.

    Politics1.com – ‏@Politics1com

    P2016 UT (Rasmussen): Trump 30%, McMullin 29%, Clinton: 28%, Johnson 5%, Stein 1%

    Wow, a proper 3-way marginal. Anyone know when was the last time a third party actually won a State?
    If the Wikpedia article on Ross Perot can be believed:
    Robert La Follette had 13 in 1924, Strom Thurmond had 39 in 1948, George Wallace had 46 in 1968 and John Hospers won one in 1972, albeit from a faithless elector.
    Obviously that is electoral college votes, not states!
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Sandpit said:

    tyson said:

    Can I just say......I did call Clive Lewis ages ago, long before anyone was speaking about him, and before he was even on the betfair market.

    So a big congratulations to Tyson accompanied by a slap on the back....(albeit many posters here would like to slap me in other places)

    You did indeed, well done!
    Thanks very much, nice to be appreciated occasionally

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sandpit said:

    nunu said:

    Johnson collapse to Mcmullin.

    Politics1.com – ‏@Politics1com

    P2016 UT (Rasmussen): Trump 30%, McMullin 29%, Clinton: 28%, Johnson 5%, Stein 1%

    Wow, a proper 3-way marginal. Anyone know when was the last time a third party actually won a State?
    1968 George Wallace (5 states I think)
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Washington Examiner
    JUST IN: FBI says witnesses found "sensitive file from Hillary Clinton's private server on a Romanian server https://t.co/sRCH2i5HQF https://t.co/3FgY7K4Zqk
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    Pulpstar said:

    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    On topic: Clive Lewis is not a serious contender for PM. Maybe he is the next Labour leader but he certainly would never be PM.

    He always looks like he's about to nut someone.

    And as for Nandy, she comes across as a thicker version of Emily Thornberry.

    I'm pretty sure UKIP have shown the world that's what Brexit Britain is all about.
    You've reminded me that UKIP are due to meet today to set a date for the leadership election.

    Their support doesn't seem to have been impacted by recent events, although the Brexit vote itself saw a 2 or 3% drop.

    I guess the none of the above crowd are pretty hard to repel.
    Could be, or could be churn.

    Since the referendum. I suspect they've taken a 3-4% chunk from Labour oop North and lost 3-4% to the Tories in Midlands and South.

    I.E. Making the Tory vote far more efficient.
    I think if UKIP ever get their act together Hartlepool would be the first northern Labour domino to drop.
    I think QT is in Hartlepool this week. Should be interesting.
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    Sandpit said:

    nunu said:

    Johnson collapse to Mcmullin.

    Politics1.com – ‏@Politics1com

    P2016 UT (Rasmussen): Trump 30%, McMullin 29%, Clinton: 28%, Johnson 5%, Stein 1%

    Wow, a proper 3-way marginal. Anyone know when was the last time a third party actually won a State?
    1968. George Wallace won five states.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Tyson, indeed, a sound call (whether as a trading bet now or eventual winner).
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896
    tyson said:

    Sandpit said:

    tyson said:

    Can I just say......I did call Clive Lewis ages ago, long before anyone was speaking about him, and before he was even on the betfair market.

    So a big congratulations to Tyson accompanied by a slap on the back....(albeit many posters here would like to slap me in other places)

    You did indeed, well done!
    Thanks very much, nice to be appreciated occasionally
    Good tips are always appreciated :+1:
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    taffys said:

    Why does the "caring" liberal left do this shit? What's wrong with them?

    Left Liberal caring has to be visible.

    Millions of carers look after relatives behind closed doors. They never get helped because nobody is there to see it.

    I am intrigued that it is the liberal left's fault the Conservative government has allowed some refugees who appear not to be children into the country.

    I imagine that this action is the product of the Dubs Amendment, and wishing to give a diplomatic sop to the French. Though FWIW, I don't think it's the Tunbridge Wells Conservative Association that's been bellowing at HM Government to let the entire lot in for years and years and years...
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050

    Godfather II might have won the Oscar but both the first two are rated in the top three films of all time by imdb rankings.

    Anyway, all the speculation about 'who' fails to answer the question 'how'.


    I know all the post war oscar winners by year...I sometimes go through them all to ward off dementia. 1963....Tom Jones; 1985....Out of Africa; 1958....Marty; just testing myself.

    That and I can down a pint in 2 seconds, not to ward off dementia, just as a party piece.

    So, Don Brind's film analysis is as wrong as his Labour leader neck and neck predictions
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    F1: Ladbrokes has the markets up for the US race this coming weekend. When I've finished furkling with my current bit of work, I'll give it a look.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Sandpit said:

    nunu said:

    Johnson collapse to Mcmullin.

    Politics1.com – ‏@Politics1com

    P2016 UT (Rasmussen): Trump 30%, McMullin 29%, Clinton: 28%, Johnson 5%, Stein 1%

    Wow, a proper 3-way marginal. Anyone know when was the last time a third party actually won a State?
    1968. George Wallace won five states.
    I wonder how long it will be before Trump starts attacking McMullin?
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