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Rhyl West on Denbighshire (Lab defence) Result of council at last election (2012): Lab 18, Ind 12, Con 9, Plaid 7, Lib Dem 1 (No Overall Control, Lab short by 6) Result of ward at last election (2012) : Emboldened denotes elected Labour 378, 361 (43%) Conservatives 106, 99 (25%) Independent 142 (17%) Plaid Cymru 125 (15%) EU Referendum Result: REMAIN 23,955 (46%) LEAVE 28,117 (54%) on a turnout of 69% Candidates duly nominated: Les Harker (Con), Alan James (Lab), Keith Kirwan (Lib Dem), Norman Shone (Ind), Mark Webster (Ind)

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Ishmael_X · October 2016

eek · October 2016

foxinsoxuk · October 2016

Third like Labour in Richmond!

Barnesian · October 2016

LibDem swing in Darwell will be interesting. 59% Leave. Hmm

nunu · October 2016

28m
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn
Quinnipiac polls in the two way race:
Clinton+6 in NC
Clinton+13 in VA
Tie in GA
Trump+1 in Iowa
https://poll.qu.edu/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2397 …

57

79

rottenborough · October 2016

Looking forward to the new 600 seat map. Good stuff. Thx.

nunu · October 2016

nunu said:

28m
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn
Quinnipiac polls in the two way race:
Clinton+6 in NC
Clinton+13 in VA
Tie in GA
Trump+1 in Iowa
https://poll.qu.edu/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2397 …

57

79

In Georgia, Clinton only has 23% of white voters. Probably won't win it on those numbers.

JackW · October 2016

National = Pew - Sample 2,120 - 20-25 Oct

Clinton 46 .. Trump 40

http://www.people-press.org/2016/10/27/as-election-nears-voters-divided-over-democracy-and-respect/

ThomasNashe · October 2016

Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of her wheelchair?

RobD · October 2016

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

Big_G_NorthWales · October 2016

Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

ThomasNashe · October 2016

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

The point is that for any other politician the last people they'd want to get into an argument with is the bereaved family of a soldier who died in the service of the nation.

weejonnie · October 2016

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

It's the BBC - Britain Backs Clinton.

JackW · October 2016

North Carolina - Virginia - Iowa - Georgia - Quinnipiac - All 20-26 Oct

NC - Clinton 50 .. Trump 44 - Sample 702
VA - Clinton 53 .. Trump 40 - Sample 749
IA - Clinton 46 .. Trump 47 - Sample 791
GA - Clinton 46 .. Trump 46 - Sample 707

https://poll.qu.edu/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2397

RobD · October 2016

ThomasNashe said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The point is that for any other politician the last people they'd want to get into an argument with is the bereaved family of a soldier who died in the service of the nation.

Yes, and his response is far better than it was several months ago. It still doesn't change the unpleasant truth.

HYUFD · October 2016

weejonnie said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
It's the BBC - Britain Backs Clinton.

Or in the US, as Katie Hopkins has just told a CNN interviewer to her face, it is the 'Clinton News Network'
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/katie-hopkins-accuses-cnn-of-being-clinton-news-network_uk_58120043e4b0ccfc9561f3ee

MikeK · October 2016

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

Too true Big G, a dire time in US history and we will all be made to suffer.

619 · October 2016

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The point is that for any other politician the last people they'd want to get into an argument with is the bereaved family of a soldier who died in the service of the nation.
Yes, and his response is far better than it was several months ago. It still doesn't change the unpleasant truth.

Isnt that the republicans fault for invading Iraq though?

TheScreamingEagles · October 2016

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war

Charles · October 2016

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?

And it's comments he made several weeks ago that Khan has only chosen to comment on now. It's like he's campaigning for Hillary or something

FrancisUrquhart · October 2016

Rio 2016: Wada publishes report highlighting 'serious failings' at Olympic Games
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/37794421

The omnishambles games fall out continues...

tyson · October 2016

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty

Scott_P · October 2016

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048

Charles · October 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war

Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter

Charles · October 2016

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048

Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something

TheScreamingEagles · October 2016

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter

He said more than 'yes, I guess'

Big_G_NorthWales · October 2016

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty

Hilary Clinton has a long list of questions to answer and I am not expressing any prejudice by saying I am past caring. Trump certainly is going to lose and rightly so.

RobD · October 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
He said more than 'yes, I guess'

Didn't he change his stance pretty early on though?

SquareRoot · October 2016

Are any of these candidates for local elections as filthy rich as Zac?

619 · October 2016

former miss finland accuses Trump of sexual assault. Number 12

He definitely knew her

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/former-miss-finland-becomes-12th-woman-to-accuse-trump-of-sexual/

RobD · October 2016

Charles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
And it's comments he made several weeks ago that Khan has only chosen to comment on now. It's like he's campaigning for Hillary or something

I think it's actually stated in the article he's campaigning for Hillary

RobD · October 2016

619 said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The point is that for any other politician the last people they'd want to get into an argument with is the bereaved family of a soldier who died in the service of the nation.
Yes, and his response is far better than it was several months ago. It still doesn't change the unpleasant truth.
Isnt that the republicans fault for invading Iraq though?

And the GOP hate trump. Your point?

Chris · October 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war

Wrong wrong wrong. Ask Sean Hannity.

TheScreamingEagles · October 2016

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
He said more than 'yes, I guess'
Didn't he change his stance pretty early on though?

It mirrored the US public, the other issue is he's portraying himself as someone who was out marching in 2003 against the Iraq War

619 · October 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war

so, you agree he has nothing to apologise for? Especially to Mrs 'i dont know of she can speak' Khan?

This and sexual assault victim number 12 are definitely good press in the last week of an election!

https://twitter.com/NYMag/status/791725767063470081

619 · October 2016

Trump seems confused about early voting

https://twitter.com/realDenaldTrump/status/791724755615420416

TheScreamingEagles · October 2016

619 said:
Trump seems confused about early voting

https://twitter.com/realDenaldTrump/status/791724755615420416

That's a spoof account

RobD · October 2016

619 said:
former miss finland accuses Trump of sexual assault. Number 12

He definitely knew her

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/former-miss-finland-becomes-12th-woman-to-accuse-trump-of-sexual/

"He definitely knew her"

then he must be guilty!

Pong · October 2016

619 said:
Trump seems confused about early voting

Twitter fake;

realDenaldTrump

Chris · October 2016

619 said:
Trump seems confused about early voting

https://twitter.com/realDenaldTrump/status/791724755615420416

You have to look quite closely at the name on that tweet.

TheScreamingEagles · October 2016

RobD said:

619 said:
former miss finland accuses Trump of sexual assault. Number 12

He definitely knew her

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/former-miss-finland-becomes-12th-woman-to-accuse-trump-of-sexual/
"He definitely knew her"

then he must be guilty!

Well if 'he knew her' in the biblical sense...

HYUFD · October 2016

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty

If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.

FrancisUrquhart · October 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

619 said:
Trump seems confused about early voting

https://twitter.com/realDenaldTrump/status/791724755615420416
That's a spoof account

What 619 or trump or both? ;-)

619 · October 2016

RobD said:

619 said:
former miss finland accuses Trump of sexual assault. Number 12

He definitely knew her

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/former-miss-finland-becomes-12th-woman-to-accuse-trump-of-sexual/
"He definitely knew her"

then he must be guilty!

his previous defences, other than they were too ugly for him to assault, has to say he never knew them.

TheScreamingEagles · October 2016

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

619 said:
Trump seems confused about early voting

https://twitter.com/realDenaldTrump/status/791724755615420416
That's a spoof account
What 619 or trump or both? ;-)

There's so much idiocy in the world when it comes to this election I'm hoping the spoofs are doing it for a laugh and not genuinely believing what they post.

Big_G_NorthWales · October 2016

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something

The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

Ishmael_X · October 2016

619 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
so, you agree he has nothing to apologise for? Especially to Mrs 'i dont know of she can speak' Khan?

This and sexual assault victim number 12 are definitely good press in the last week of an election!

htps://twitter.com/NYMag/status/791725767063470081

Morally bankrupt numptyism all round; I am pretty certain Captain Khan did not intend to give up his life so that ghastly Hillary could exploit his parents' naivety to get her into the White House.

*awaits incoming YEBBUT TRUMP whineathon*

nunu · October 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
He said more than 'yes, I guess'

Do you support the Nazis?

"Yeah I guess so".

I didn't support the Nazis. What?

nunu · October 2016

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

619 said:
Trump seems confused about early voting

https://twitter.com/realDenaldTrump/status/791724755615420416
That's a spoof account
What 619 or trump or both? ;-)

The weied thing is that fake trump account is believable.

619 · October 2016

Ishmael_X said:

619 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
so, you agree he has nothing to apologise for? Especially to Mrs 'i dont know of she can speak' Khan?

This and sexual assault victim number 12 are definitely good press in the last week of an election!

htps://twitter.com/NYMag/status/791725767063470081
Morally bankrupt numptyism all round; I am pretty certain Captain Khan did not intend to give up his life so that ghastly Hillary could exploit his parents' naivety to get her into the White House.

*awaits incoming YEBBUT TRUMP whineathon*

Oh, so the Khans are naive, rather than thinking Trump is a racist who shouldnt be elected?

nunu · October 2016

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.

If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.

IanB2 · October 2016

Chris said:

619 said:
Trump seems confused about early voting

https://twitter.com/realDenaldTrump/status/791724755615420416
You have to look quite closely at the name on that tweet.

I wonder why he didn't use a capital i for the L, which (assuming Twitter allows such) would disguise the spoof completely.

FrancisUrquhart · October 2016

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.

I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.

Theuniondivvie · October 2016

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter

But it definitely disqualifies you as an opponent.

Ishmael_X · October 2016

619 said:

Ishmael_X said:

619 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
so, you agree he has nothing to apologise for? Especially to Mrs 'i dont know of she can speak' Khan?

This and sexual assault victim number 12 are definitely good press in the last week of an election!

htps://twitter.com/NYMag/status/791725767063470081
Morally bankrupt numptyism all round; I am pretty certain Captain Khan did not intend to give up his life so that ghastly Hillary could exploit his parents' naivety to get her into the White House.

*awaits incoming YEBBUT TRUMP whineathon*

Oh, so the Khans are naive, rather than thinking Trump is a racist who shouldnt be elected?

Your mistaken belief that the two things are mutually exclusive strengthens my impression that posting on this site is a bit above your pay grade.

Chris · October 2016

IanB2 said:

Chris said:

619 said:
Trump seems confused about early voting

https://twitter.com/realDenaldTrump/status/791724755615420416
You have to look quite closely at the name on that tweet.
I wonder why he didn't use a capital i for the L, which (assuming Twitter allows such) would disguise the spoof completely.

I was thinking Trurnp (i.e. TRURNP) might be harder to spot.

MrsB · October 2016

correction for philliph FPT Goldsmith is not a Remainer. He is a Leaver. His constitutents voted 72% Remain

MP_SE · October 2016

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

MP_SE · October 2016

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

619 said:
Trump seems confused about early voting

https://twitter.com/realDenaldTrump/status/791724755615420416
That's a spoof account
What 619 or trump or both? ;-)

Haha

Pong · October 2016

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.

Agreements with trump wouldn't be worth the paper they're written on.

That's how scary this election is.

Charles · October 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
He said more than 'yes, I guess'

I've only half listened to extracts because I don't really care what a random businessman said 12 years before he decided to run for office

nunu · October 2016

FrancisUrquhart said:

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.

Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....

But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.

Charles · October 2016

RobD said:

Charles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
And it's comments he made several weeks ago that Khan has only chosen to comment on now. It's like he's campaigning for Hillary or something
I think it's actually stated in the article he's campaigning for Hillary

I know. It's called irony...

RobD · October 2016

Charles said:

RobD said:

Charles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
And it's comments he made several weeks ago that Khan has only chosen to comment on now. It's like he's campaigning for Hillary or something
I think it's actually stated in the article he's campaigning for Hillary
I know. It's called irony...

Ah, sorry!

RobD · October 2016

nunu said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.
Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....

But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.

I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.

Charles · October 2016

Theuniondivvie said:

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
But it definitely disqualifies you as an opponent.

The version I had was the interviewer asking him several times and him deflecting before finally saying "yeah I guess" And moving in to more interesting stuff. Came across to me as "don't know don't care" rather than anything stronger

HYUFD · October 2016

I

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.

If I was Russian I would be very optimistic of a Trump presidency but I am neither

IanB2 · October 2016

UKIP backing Zak (which I suspect also has something to do with avoiding another poor result) may well help the LibDems, in an area like Richmond. Indeed I wouldnt be surprised to see the LibDems start referring to him as "..backed by UKIP".

619 · October 2016

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

ThomasNashe said:
Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?
Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
He said more than 'yes, I guess'
I've only half listened to extracts because I don't really care what a random businessman said 12 years before he decided to run for office

he is bringing Iraq up.

TOPPING · October 2016

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.

Sunil_Prasannan · October 2016

Pong said:

619 said:
Trump seems confused about early voting
Twitter fake;

realDenaldTrump

November 28th

nunu · October 2016

RobD said:

nunu said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.
Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....

But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.
I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.

Because GOP hasn't given the Dems any competition. And neither is Trump.

RobD · October 2016

nunu said:

RobD said:

nunu said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.
Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....

But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.
I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.
Because GOP hasn't given the Dems any competition. And neither is Trump.

Yep, but that doesn't make it right.

HYUFD · October 2016

Pong said:

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
Agreements with trump wouldn't be worth the paper they're written on.

That's how scary this election is.

On the whole I think they would, he was a strong supporter of Brexit. The countries which have most to gain from a Trump Presidency are Putin's Russia, Brexit UK and Netanyahu's Israel. Most other major nations, especially Mexico, Canada, the nations of the EU and Eastern Europe and China would do much better under Hillary given Trump's opposition to NAFTA and trade organisations, his supportive statements towards Putin, his promise to build a wall with and stop outsourcing to Mexico and his promise of a trade war with China

ReggieCide · October 2016

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.

nunu · October 2016

Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.

TOPPING · October 2016

ReggieCide said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.

That's probably because you have difficulty understanding the nuances of the discussions.

HYUFD · October 2016

nunu said:
Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.

Plus higher enthusiasm amongst white working class, less amongst millenials

Sunil_Prasannan · October 2016

nunu said:

RobD said:

nunu said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.
Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....

But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.
I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.
Because GOP hasn't given the Dems any competition. And neither is Trump.

Trump = Democrat sleeper agent?

TheWhiteRabbit · October 2016

nunu said:
Clinton building a different coalition then Obama

Got any news on the religious views of the papacy?

Big_G_NorthWales · October 2016

IanB2 said:
UKIP backing Zak (which I suspect also has something to do with avoiding another poor result) may well help the LibDems, in an area like Richmond. Indeed I wouldnt be surprised to see the LibDems start referring to him as "..backed by UKIP".

And the lib dem candidate being associated with Jenny Tonge may attract some interesting comments from their opponents

ReggieCide · October 2016

TOPPING said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.

Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?

TOPPING · October 2016

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?

Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.

Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?

ReggieCide · October 2016

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.
That's probably because you have difficulty understanding the nuances of the discussions.

Since when was a moan a discussion?

nunu · October 2016

HYUFD said:

nunu said:
Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.
Plus higher enthusiasm amongst white working class, less amongst millenials

Doesn't matter he is getting less support from white voters overall compared to Romney. A killer.

nunu · October 2016

TheWhiteRabbit said:

nunu said:
Clinton building a different coalition then Obama
Got any news on the religious views of the papacy?

Yes, they accept Muhammed now.

TOPPING · October 2016

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.
That's probably because you have difficulty understanding the nuances of the discussions.
Since when was a moan a discussion?

C-

ReggieCide · October 2016

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.

Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?

I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.

nunu · October 2016

RobD said:

nunu said:

RobD said:

nunu said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.
Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....

But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.
I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.
Because GOP hasn't given the Dems any competition. And neither is Trump.
Yep, but that doesn't make it right.

AA unemployment is half of what it was when he came to power, things could and have been worse.

ReggieCide · October 2016

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.
That's probably because you have difficulty understanding the nuances of the discussions.
Since when was a moan a discussion?
C-

loser

MP_SE · October 2016

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:
UKIP backing Zak (which I suspect also has something to do with avoiding another poor result) may well help the LibDems, in an area like Richmond. Indeed I wouldnt be surprised to see the LibDems start referring to him as "..backed by UKIP".
And the lib dem candidate being associated with Jenny Tonge may attract some interesting comments from their opponents

Amusing to see Tim Farron claim that a vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for a Britain that is open, tolerant & united. Not quite sure the party of Jenny Tonge and David Ward can be described as being open, tolerant & united.

HYUFD · October 2016

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

nunu said:
Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.
Plus higher enthusiasm amongst white working class, less amongst millenials
Doesn't matter he is getting less support from white voters overall compared to Romney. A killer.

Depends which poll you look at, overall he still leads the white vote comfortably and if white working class voters turn out for Trump who could not be bothered to vote for Romney he could even surpass his performance. Some pollsters also have him taking over 10% of the African American vote ie above what Romney got

TOPPING · October 2016

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The

Swedenand his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.

Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.

Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.

HYUFD · October 2016

TOPPING said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.

If anywhere needs some support it is the North East and it is excellent news for them and avoids yet further increases in inequality between London and the South East and the Midlands and the North

No_Offence_Alan · October 2016

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.

Every pound spent protecting Nissan from future tariffs could have been spent on the NHS.

619 · October 2016

HYUFD said:

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

nunu said:
Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.
Plus higher enthusiasm amongst white working class, less amongst millenials
Doesn't matter he is getting less support from white voters overall compared to Romney. A killer.
Depends which poll you look at, overall he still leads the white vote comfortably and if white working class voters turn out for Trump who could not be bothered to vote for Romney he could even surpass his performance. Some pollsters also have him taking over 10% of the African American vote ie above what Romney got

what, 3 pollsters out of 20? (the worse ones as well(

foxinsoxuk · October 2016

TOPPING said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.

I see it as a sign that there will be tariff free deal for manufactured goods to and from the EU. Good for Nissan and also BMW.

Nissans will have a price advantage from the depreciation too.

Big_G_NorthWales · October 2016

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The

Swedenand his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.

Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.

Are you seriously suggesting the PM should not actively promote the UK and persuade business to invest in the future post Brexit.

TOPPING · October 2016

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.
That's probably because you have difficulty understanding the nuances of the discussions.
Since when was a moan a discussion?
C-
loser

C-

Was that a whinge or a moan or an insult?

ReggieCide · October 2016

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

ReggieCide said:

TOPPING said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/791739350816002048
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The

Swedenand his elite

Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

All in all a good day for Independent UK

The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.

Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.

Which is the offensive bit that you would rather hadn't happened?

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