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The new Select committee on Exiting the European Union, who will hold their first meeting on Wednesday, will have the opportunity to shape the debate on what Brexit actual means.

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TheScreamingEagles

Love that mug

TheScreamingEagles

On topic she'll have to reveal the deal.

Others will demand the same.

Unless we're staying in the customs union.

TheScreamingEagles

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

tlg86

Real first.

Pulpstar

If Atul can check the postal votes in Richmond, I for one would be grateful.

Scott_P

tlg86 said:

Real first.

Recount !

Pulpstar

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Writing off Hallam already ?

matt

Is there any subject on which Mr Brind's opinion has proved correct? Betting tips perhaps, just not in the way intended.

TOPPING

Late to the observations on the weather in London: glorious.

On Br*x*t, Nabavi has it right. She is trying to navigate through an unwholly, virtually unsquareable mess.

No one is yet asking the right people the right questions and those who are being asked, seem to be out of their depths or terrified of saying the wrong thing (e.g. Simon Kirby to the Lords).

TheScreamingEagles

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Writing off Hallam already ?

With boundary changes yes but the rest of South Yorkshire is lost because of this

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/31/government-rules-out-orgreave-inquiry?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Jonathan

Love the reuse of The Prisoner typeface. Seems apt.

Richard_Nabavi

“There is absolutely zero chance that Barnier would give Britain what it prizes the most – the automotive single market– “without extracting a concession on the issue that exercises Central and Eastern European states the most: migration. The firmness of Britain’s commitments to Nissan mean that the British government knows that it has to accept a compromise on this issue.”

Atul Hatwal is simply wrong on this. Firstly, it's not actually the thing with Britain prizes the most, although it's probably in the top three behind getting some restriction on freedom of movement and protecting the City. Secondly, and more importantly, coming to some deal on the automotive industry is as important to the rest of the EU (including notably Germany, France, Spain, the Czech Republic and Slovakia) as it is to the UK. So the trade-off won't be about this issue.

TheScreamingEagles

The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat is if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat

SimonStClare

TheScreamingEagles said:

The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat

Step forward TSE..?

Jonathan

TheScreamingEagles said:

The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat

Nick Clegg?

JackW

Steve Schale "grizzled veteran of Florida politics" gives a detailed assessment of the latest numbers from early voting - Conclusion - It's tight :

http://steveschale.squarespace.com/blog/2016/10/31/almost-4-million-votes-in-and-8-days-to-go.html

TheScreamingEagles

Jonathan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat

Nick Clegg?

Clegg didn't grow up in the seat.

david_herdson

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?

williamglenn

Would she have handled things better?

https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/747346925586784256

Jonathan

TheScreamingEagles said:

Jonathan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat

Nick Clegg?

Clegg didn't grow up in the seat.

Before Hallam he was but a boy. It made him the man he is today.

MikeSmithson

williamglenn said:

Would she have handled things better?

https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/747346925586784256

One of the most positive things you can say about TMay is that she's NOT Andrea Leadsom

MarkHopkins

Let's suppose we drop out of all deals and end up with tariffs on imports and exports.

We take the tariffs from the imports to pay to the exporters, and we are back on a level footing. Nissan can continue as before.

And that's a worse-case scenario.

JohnO

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?

Thunderous applause and prolonged standing ovation

(Oops that's more Arthur and the NUM)

TGOHF

SeanT said:

The death of the American University, part 934

https://twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856

This one is Canadian but same vein..

http://heatst.com/culture-wars/white-people-in-canoes-yes-canoes-reek-of-cultural-appropriation-says-canadian-professor/

"According to Misao Dean, Professor of English at the University of Victoria, the canoe can be a symbol of colonialism, imperialism and genocide due to history. She also accused the canoers of cultural appropriation because they are primarily white men and have a privileged place in society."

Paristonda

It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?

TheScreamingEagles

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?

Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.

TGOHF

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Writing off Hallam already ?

With boundary changes yes but the rest of South Yorkshire is lost because of this

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/31/government-rules-out-orgreave-inquiry?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Yes I imagine those of miner stock are long time Conservative voters.....

FrancisUrquhart

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

JackW

Nebraska CD 02 - NSOR - Sample 400 RV - 20-24 Oct

Clinton 40 .. Trump 44

Via 538

MarkHopkins

SeanT said:

The death of the American University, part 934

twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856

Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

TGOHF

TheScreamingEagles said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?

Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.

Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.

Pulpstar

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

Apple is more of a religion than a Tech Co now methinks.

TheScreamingEagles

JohnO said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?

Thunderous applause and prolonged standing ovation

(Oops that's more Arthur and the NUM)

I'm on team Thatcher and I reckon smashing the unions was one of her finest achievements up there with setting up the single market and closing/merging so many grammar schools as Education Secretary

SandyRentool

TGOHF said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?

Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.

Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.

The police were the ones law-breaking that day.

FF43

Richard_Nabavi said:

“There is absolutely zero chance that Barnier would give Britain what it prizes the most – the automotive single market– “without extracting a concession on the issue that exercises Central and Eastern European states the most: migration. The firmness of Britain’s commitments to Nissan mean that the British government knows that it has to accept a compromise on this issue.”

Atul Hatwal is simply wrong on this. Firstly, it's not actually the thing with Britain prizes the most, although it's probably in the top three behind getting some restriction on freedom of movement and protecting the City. Secondly, and more importantly, coming to some deal on the automotive industry is as important to the rest of the EU (including notably Germany, France, Spain, the Czech Republic and Slovakia) as it is to the UK. So the trade-off won't be about this issue.

What Theresa May prizes most, probably, is Nissan NOT saying her government is a double-dealing incompetent shower who promised there would be no tariffs or barriers to trade with the EU and didn't deliver at all. And so we leaving Sunderland and off to France.

I would say M Barnier has some leverage. It also puts to bed the "don't reveal our negotiating position" nonsense.

Pong

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

peter_from_putney

Interesting that Mr Brind should suggest a pronunciation for Brexit of [bregzit] whereas I would have said [breksit] ..... is this a regional thing - I originate from the Midlands?

williamglenn

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

Why do you think so? I think there's a lot of truth in it.

TheWhiteRabbit

Pong said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone USB-C. It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

Just got to wait for all my device to catch up with my USB-C mobile phone, then I won't need so many chargers.

FrancisUrquhart

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

Using Twitter & Apple to say the whole of silicon valley & and UK have f##k all new is bollocks. Twitter are going busto & Apple are playing it safe, but so many others are not.

JohnO

TheScreamingEagles said:

JohnO said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?

Thunderous applause and prolonged standing ovation

(Oops that's more Arthur and the NUM)

I'm on team Thatcher and I reckon smashing the unions was one of her finest achievements up there with setting up the single market and closing/merging so many grammar schools as Education Secretary

Certainly smashing the Scargillite NUM (but the UDM were ignobly betrayed by Heseltine and Major), but democratising the unions through compulsory secret ballots is how I view it. However, turnout in elections is still dismal, hence the likes of McCluskey, Serwotka et al, so moving from exclusively postal ballots should now be on the agenda.

peter_from_putney

Paristonda said:

It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?

Snap - I've just seen your earlier version of my post!

RobD

Pong said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.

FrancisUrquhart

Pulpstar said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

Apple is more of a religion than a Tech Co now methinks.

$3k for their new laptop which has inferior specs to laptops a third of the price & the cult followers will still buy it by the boat load.

williamglenn

Pong said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

Except the iPhone, and the new lightning headphones that you can't use on your MacBook...

I could forgive them if they were consistent.

JohnO

SeanT said:

MarkHopkins said:

SeanT said:

The death of the American University, part 934

twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856

Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Only half?

Casino_Royale

SeanT said:

MarkHopkins said:

SeanT said:

The death of the American University, part 934

twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856

Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Me and my friends virtually went out of our way to be offensive at university. And we had very free speech.

This was at Bristol.

I'm shocked to see what it is reported to have become since.

Tykejohnno

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?

I think it's the wrong decision but I give you this,May seems to take tough decisions like heathrow and now this rather than throw it in the long grass or suck up to pressure groups.

david_herdson

TheScreamingEagles said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?

Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.

No it's not. There were suggestions that some fans were drunk and disorderly but that's a bit different from mass intimidation with the aim of bringing down a government.

Unlike Liverpool fans at Hillsborough, the miners were not at Orgreave on a leisure trip. (Actually, in some ways they might have been but they still shouldn't have been there.)

justin124

Why did Labour fail to launch an

SandyRentool said:

TGOHF said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?

Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.

Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.

The police were the ones law-breaking that day.

Indeed so and that reveals the humbug and hypocrisy of those who claim to believe in defending Law & Order. It does ,however, raise the question as to why Labour failed to launch an Inquiry during its 13 years in office!

RobD

JohnO said:

SeanT said:

MarkHopkins said:

SeanT said:

The death of the American University, part 934

twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856

Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Only half?

That's when he's offensive and drunk. The other half he's just drunk. (sorry Sean!)

JackW

New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

edmundintokyo

SeanT said:

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Seconded.

RobD

peter_from_putney said:

Paristonda said:

It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?

Snap - I've just seen your earlier version of my post!

Surely the definition of Brexit should be:

"Brexit
[bregzit/breksit]

Brexit"

Pong

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Pong said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone USB-C. It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

Just got to wait for all my device to catch up with my USB-C mobile phone, then I won't need so many chargers.

USB-C can deliver 100w - I think it's likely it'll become the worlds first universal plug socket.

RobD

JackW said:

New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

An outlier, surely

justin124

edmundintokyo said:

SeanT said:

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Seconded.

What did he do that caused him to be banned?

Theuniondivvie

MarkHopkins said:

SeanT said:

The death of the American University, part 934

twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856

Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

It's certainly shocking that anyone on here would be described as an extreme right-winger.

TheWhiteRabbit

Pong said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Pong said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone USB-C. It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

Just got to wait for all my device to catch up with my USB-C mobile phone, then I won't need so many chargers.

USB-C can deliver 100w - I think it's likely it'll become the worlds first universal plug socket.

Only makes me think of this:

https://xkcd.com/927/

Notice the tooltip...

AllyPally_Rob

JohnO said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

JohnO said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?

Thunderous applause and prolonged standing ovation

(Oops that's more Arthur and the NUM)

I'm on team Thatcher and I reckon smashing the unions was one of her finest achievements up there with setting up the single market and closing/merging so many grammar schools as Education Secretary

Certainly smashing the Scargillite NUM (but the UDM were ignobly betrayed by Heseltine and Major), but democratising the unions through compulsory secret ballots is how I view it. However, turnout in elections is still dismal, hence the likes of McCluskey, Serwotka et al, so moving from exclusively postal ballots should now be on the agenda.

That's the great irony, Scargill was right all along about pit closures. It didn't help the Notts miners one iota in 1992 when Heseltine screwed the industry over.

williamglenn

RobD said:

peter_from_putney said:

Paristonda said:

It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?

Snap - I've just seen your earlier version of my post!

Surely the definition of Brexit should be:

"Brexit
[bregzit/breksit]

Brexit"

bregzit - the pronunciation in the areas that voted for it.
breksit - the pronunciation in the areas that are lumbered with it.

MarqueeMark

JackW said:

New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?

peter_from_putney

SeanT said:

MarkHopkins said:

SeanT said:

The death of the American University, part 934

twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856

Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Me too, although I rather doubt he'd choose to return. One of his areas of expertise was US Politics ..... we punters could have done with his usually very accurate forecasting, along with his spreadsheets, etc.

Essexit

RobD said:

peter_from_putney said:

Paristonda said:

It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?

Snap - I've just seen your earlier version of my post!

Surely the definition of Brexit should be:

"Brexit
[bregzit/breksit]

Brexit"

Brilliant.

Pulpstar

MarqueeMark said:

JackW said:

New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?

Oh if only people could just.... BEHAVE when they reply to the pollsters.

RobD

peter_from_putney said:

SeanT said:

MarkHopkins said:

SeanT said:

The death of the American University, part 934

twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856

Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Me too, although I rather doubt he'd choose to return. One of his areas of expertise was US Politics ..... we punters could have done with his usually very accurate forecasting, along with his spreadsheets, etc.

IIRC he has been banned before and did return?

JohnO

justin124 said:

edmundintokyo said:

SeanT said:

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Seconded.

What did he do that caused him to be banned?

He denied your arbeit macht frei line.

edmundintokyo

justin124 said:

edmundintokyo said:

SeanT said:

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Seconded.

What did he do that caused him to be banned?

Can't remember the details, I think it was holocaust-related.

Pulpstar

SeanT said:

RobD said:

Pong said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.

Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.

Does 7 hours charge too in 15 minutes too apparently.

Morris_Dancer

Good afternoon, everyone.

justin124

JohnO said:

justin124 said:

edmundintokyo said:

SeanT said:

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Seconded.

What did he do that caused him to be banned?

He denied your arbeit macht frei line.

In that case he deserved to be banned.

Stark_Dawning

justin124 said:

edmundintokyo said:

SeanT said:

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Seconded.

What did he do that caused him to be banned?

He propagated the most obscene and dangerous conspiracy theory in human history: that the Stratford man didn't write the plays of Shakespeare.

RobD

SeanT said:

RobD said:

Pong said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.

Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.

Same as me - currently have both a Macbook and an iPhone and am seriously considering switching when I want to upgrade.

Pulpstar

Anecdotal: Saw two Trump adverts to zero Hillary whilst watching US TV on sunday.

peter_from_putney

MarqueeMark said:

JackW said:

New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?

Indeed although IIRC, it's the closest of the New England States.

PrinceofTaranto

LA Times rolling is Trump 46.6 ; Clinton 43.2 .Pulling away.

Pulpstar

PrinceofTaranto said:

LA Times rolling is Trump 46.6 ; Clinton 43.2 .Pulling away.

JackW said:

New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

Tears of stone, heart of laughter etc.

TheWhiteRabbit

Pulpstar said:

SeanT said:

RobD said:

Pong said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.

Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.

Does 7 hours charge too in 15 minutes too apparently.

USB-C charging really is great. You can put it on for 5 minutes between remembering it was low and leaving the house and that will be a meaningful improvement.

MarqueeMark

SandyRentool said:

TGOHF said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?

Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.

Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.

The police were the ones law-breaking that day.

One battle in a war with no angels on either side. The miners invited a kicking by taking on the state. Was anyone really surprised when they got one?

TheScreamingEagles

edmundintokyo said:

justin124 said:

edmundintokyo said:

SeanT said:

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Seconded.

What did he do that caused him to be banned?

Can't remember the details, I think it was holocaust-related.

He went from Holocaust denial to pure anti-Semite because Michael Foster, who brought the court case about Corbyn automatically being on the ballot, is Jewish.

Some real anti Semitic tropes were used and Mike's patience expired.

brokenwheel

peter_from_putney said:

MarqueeMark said:

JackW said:

New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?

Indeed although IIRC, it's the closest of the New England States.

Yes, that and Maine CD2. Bush won NH in 2000...

Essexit

SeanT said:

RobD said:

Pong said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.

Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.

Correction: and Gorilla Glass, so you don't have to treat it like it's made of fine bone china. I'm seriously tempted too but the price is astronomical.

TOPPING

edmundintokyo said:

justin124 said:

edmundintokyo said:

SeanT said:

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Seconded.

What did he do that caused him to be banned?

Can't remember the details, I think it was holocaust-related.

Why are @Indigo and @Ishmael_X banned?

edmundintokyo

TOPPING said:

edmundintokyo said:

justin124 said:

edmundintokyo said:

SeanT said:

Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

Seconded.

What did he do that caused him to be banned?

Can't remember the details, I think it was holocaust-related.

Why are @Indigo and @Ishmael_X banned?

Are they? No idea.

David_Evershed

Pulpstar said:

If Atul can check the postal votes in Richmond, I for one would be grateful.

Some years ago councils were instructed not to show the party voted for when postal votes are opened and checked.

So in theory nothing can be gained by observing postal votes until the night of the count.

Gardenwalker

RobD said:

SeanT said:

RobD said:

Pong said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.

Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.

Same as me - currently have both a Macbook and an iPhone and am seriously considering switching when I want to upgrade.

Putting aside missing USB connections, the post Brexit pricing for the MacBooks is so insane they can't be justified.

justin124

brokenwheel said:

peter_from_putney said:

MarqueeMark said:

JackW said:

New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?

Indeed although IIRC, it's the closest of the New England States.

Yes, that and Maine CD2. Bush won NH in 2000...

Vermont used to be solidly Republican too.

Theuniondivvie

MarqueeMark said:

SandyRentool said:

TGOHF said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?

Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.

Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.

The police were the ones law-breaking that day.

One battle in a war with no angels on either side. The miners invited a kicking by taking on the state. Was anyone really surprised when they got one?

Strange* then that the government and police don't want to allow an enquiry to validate that view of events.

*not strange.

JackW

RobD said:

An outlier, surely

MarqueeMark said:

JackW said:

New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?

This is a landline only poll that previously was Trump +9. Most polls have Clinton outside the MoE and 538 average has her up about +5.

williamglenn

SeanT said:

RobD said:

Pong said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.

Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.

I was ready to buy one until I tried it. The UI has sliders that don't slide - you have to press them like buttons. Android just isn't as refined, sadly.

Scott_P

Oh dear.

You can absolutely connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro.

Without Wires! It's like Magic !

And you can listen you your Macbook Pro on your iPhone Airpods.

Without Wires! It's like Magic !

Kinda sorta seems like maybe the future. Like Apple has been inventing for decades...

It's depressing that some people like Brexiteers are still mourning the loss of the floppy disk...

MaxPB

SeanT said:

RobD said:

Pong said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.

Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.

Its better because it's Google.

FrancisUrquhart

Scott_P said:

Oh dear.

You can absolutely connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro.

Without Wires! It's like Magic !

And you can listen you your Macbook Pro on your iPhone Airpods.

Without Wires! It's like Magic !

Kinda sorta seems like maybe the future. Like Apple has been inventing for decades...

It's depressing that some people like Brexiteers are still mourning the loss of the floppy disk...

airpods = pile of shit.

Jobabob

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

BANG ON.

I am am/was an Apple fanboy but the headphone jack omission is beyond stupid. The 3.5mm jack was one of those rare things of beauty in hifi tech - a bone fide industry standard, that worked, was ubiquitous and backwards and forwards* compatible. Almost every household has a 3.5mm cable, meaning music can be played anywhere by anyone. It was seriously stupid to remove the jack. I love my iPhone 6+ and will not be upgrading.

PrinceofTaranto

JackW said:

RobD said:

An outlier, surely

MarqueeMark said:

JackW said:

New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?

This is a landline only poll that previously was Trump +9. Most polls have Clinton outside the MoE and 538 average has her up about +5.

Wasn't that in July that Trump was plus 9 ? Different times.

Jobabob

MarqueeMark said:

JackW said:

New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?

Yes – that is a terrible poll for Clinton.

Essexit

Scott_P said:

Oh dear.

You can absolutely connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro.

Without Wires! It's like Magic !

And you can listen you your Macbook Pro on your iPhone Airpods.

Without Wires! It's like Magic !

Kinda sorta seems like maybe the future. Like Apple has been inventing for decades...

It's depressing that some people like Brexiteers are still mourning the loss of the floppy disk...

It's depressing that some people like Remainers follow Apple like a cult and convince themselves that no headphone jack and shattertastic screens are just great.

RobD

Scott_P said:

Oh dear.

You can absolutely connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro.

Without Wires! It's like Magic !

And you can listen you your Macbook Pro on your iPhone Airpods.

Without Wires! It's like Magic !

Kinda sorta seems like maybe the future. Like Apple has been inventing for decades...

It's depressing that some people like Brexiteers are still mourning the loss of the floppy disk...

I often charge my phone from my laptop while traveling. That wouldn't be possible without said adaptor. Utterly stupid they didn't include a USB-C cable inside the iPhone box.

Scott_P

Jobabob said:

I am am/was an Apple fanboy but the headphone jack omission is beyond stupid. The 3.5mm jack was one of those rare things of beauty in hifi tech - a bone fide industry standard, that worked, was ubiquitous and backwards and forwards* compatible. Almost every household has a 3.5mm cable, meaning music can be played anywhere by anyone. It was seriously stupid to remove the jack. I love my iPhone 6+ and will not be upgrading.

Every household had a 3.5" floppy

My phone connects Bluetooth to the devices I use for playback and calls.

It's like MAGIC !

The only thing I plug into it is a charger.

RobD

Gardenwalker said:

RobD said:

SeanT said:

RobD said:

Pong said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.

I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

It's the way forward.

Finally, one wire for everything.

Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.

Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.

Same as me - currently have both a Macbook and an iPhone and am seriously considering switching when I want to upgrade.

Putting aside missing USB connections, the post Brexit pricing for the MacBooks is so insane they can't be justified.

I think the price has gone up here in the US too, but maybe not by as much.