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edited November 2016 in General

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As regulars will know I like spread betting where the more you are right the more you win. Unfortunately the same formula works if you are wrong.

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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    First, like me in May 2017?
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    Good luck Mike.

    I certainly wouldn't buy at 302 ECVs, but there's a case to be made if you're ballsy.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    Glorious third!
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    I hope you've scored some decent weed OGH for the night.....obviously only for medicinal purposes!
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    "I bought at 302."

    "A courageous decision minister"
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115
    FPT:

    PlatoSaid said:
    Fox News
    Virginia Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 44% to 41%. https://t.co/8fDJtjbObo

    Weirdest poll yet today. If that is right - meet President Trump.

    And OGH is a brave chap to be on the spreads on this election.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    JohnO said:

    First, like me in May 2017?

    Oh, good luck, sir! Given up on the dreams of a Dukedom (for now)?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I'll keep saying it for the punters here, not the tribal posters as they poo poo everything like some weirdly sad virility symbol

    The D+ polls are replicating 2008 Obama. Hillary is not this candidate using any metric. We all know this.

    DYOR

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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
    - Douglas Adams

    In Politics this happened in May 2015
    - Mark Hopkins

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    Interesting chat on Northern Ireland on the previous thread.

    In my (admittedly prejudiced mind, probably from TV news in the 1980s/1990s) the image it's dangerous, poor and backward.

    Clearly, that's wrong*.

    (*although I should say, I have been to EIRE a couple of times on business - in Cork/Waterford - and wasn't exactly bowled over)
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    weejonnie said:

    "I bought at 302."

    "A courageous decision minister"

    I think OGH will do alright to be honest. And I bet on Brexit, and Cameron winning 2015...so am not that blinkered by who I want to win......


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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    FPT

    The idea that the pubs in Northern Ireland run from good to excellent I find a bit odd. Back in the day I went into some right shitholes, granted they were not in what one might call tourist areas.

    That said it does have some beautiful countryside and the people, like people everywhere I have been, are mostly friendly, welcoming and helpful.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    Interesting chat on Northern Ireland on the previous thread.

    In my (admittedly prejudiced mind, probably from TV news in the 1980s/1990s) the image it's dangerous, poor and backward.

    Clearly, that's wrong*.

    (*although I should say, I have been to EIRE a couple of times on business - in Cork/Waterford - and wasn't exactly bowled over)

    As Sean says Antrim has some fantastic scenery. Ragged costal views ruined only by Scotland ;-)
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    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    FPT:

    PlatoSaid said:
    Fox News
    Virginia Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 44% to 41%. https://t.co/8fDJtjbObo

    Weirdest poll yet today. If that is right - meet President Trump.

    And OGH is a brave chap to be on the spreads on this election.

    What a shift, that poll last had Clinton ahead by 12%.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    FPT:

    PlatoSaid said:
    Fox News
    Virginia Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 44% to 41%. https://t.co/8fDJtjbObo

    Weirdest poll yet today. If that is right - meet President Trump.

    And OGH is a brave chap to be on the spreads on this election.

    I honestly feel like I'm talking to myself. The denial that this will happen is astonishing. As an embedded reporter - it's bloody obviously possible.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057

    FPT:

    PlatoSaid said:
    Fox News
    Virginia Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 44% to 41%. https://t.co/8fDJtjbObo

    Weirdest poll yet today. If that is right - meet President Trump.

    And OGH is a brave chap to be on the spreads on this election.

    The Hampton University polls in VA have been all over the place. They've had Hillary on +11 as well as Trump +1 before.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    FPT

    The idea that the pubs in Northern Ireland run from good to excellent I find a bit odd. Back in the day I went into some right shitholes, granted they were not in what one might call tourist areas.

    That said it does have some beautiful countryside and the people, like people everywhere I have been, are mostly friendly, welcoming and helpful.

    it's gone all touristy since your day Mr L

    when I was growing up pubs were spit and sawdust, and it was bring your own sawdust.
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    Fair value Mike (I just wish with hindsight I'd bought her at 302).
    As I suggested on the previous thread, I reckon your downside is her winning 279 ECVs by losing Florida, North Carolina and Nevada, all of which are very close, and your upside is 329 were she to win these three States .... you're about half way between these two outcomes.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050

    Interesting chat on Northern Ireland on the previous thread.

    In my (admittedly prejudiced mind, probably from TV news in the 1980s/1990s) the image it's dangerous, poor and backward.

    Clearly, that's wrong*.

    (*although I should say, I have been to EIRE a couple of times on business - in Cork/Waterford - and wasn't exactly bowled over)

    It's not just the weather in NI...I don't think it's ever got over 30 degrees, the grey light, the rain, the bleak, stark, windswept landscape..... Belfast which is like a depressing Liverpool, surrounded by horrible new build estates from the 60's and 70's...it's those miserable proddies...they are soooo miserable and gloomy. Pasty white complexions, surly and ground down..

    That is why I thought if Alistair and his partner went through that optimistically....then the future indeed looks good. All best wishes again to Alistair's partner....
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    There's so many, here's another

    Nevada Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 49% to 43%. https://t.co/Wt0DBBUmiL
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited November 2016
    From the previous thread: White Americans wanting America to be majority White isn't really that shocking. It is though, a hilarious demand from them given they can't pull the 'indigenous' card that at least those in Europe can.

    I am amused by some of the comments on here today with regard to Trump. Anyone would think he is riding a crest of a wave, when in reality he has slightly improved his polling. He seems to have a ceiling he cannot pass through. Clinton on the other hand has a higher floor and higher ceiling. This is probably as good as it gets for Trump and I suspect something else will come out of the woodwork with regards to Trump over the coming days.

    I am also puzzled by some British posters on this site wanting Trump to win. ODD!

    There are a lot of right-wing posters on here, much more right-wing I'd say than your average person in this country. Also, 619 is right - Trump is a racist, sexist idiot. I'm not surprised that posters like GeoffM and others don't think Trump's a racist. They probably think the KKK aren't a bunch of racists as well. It's not a coincidence that one of the biggest Trump fans on this site (who is now no longer on here) was a Holocaust denier FFS.

    It's pretty damn disappointing that Clinton is the Democratic candidate, but she isn't Trump.

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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Interesting chat on Northern Ireland on the previous thread.

    In my (admittedly prejudiced mind, probably from TV news in the 1980s/1990s) the image it's dangerous, poor and backward.

    Clearly, that's wrong*.

    (*although I should say, I have been to EIRE a couple of times on business - in Cork/Waterford - and wasn't exactly bowled over)

    Mr. Royale, bits of Northern Ireland were, and I expect still are, dangerous, poor and backward. But you can say that about any country or major city (save perhaps Singapore or Tokyo).
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    On topic, aren't SportingIndex taking the piss a little bit with those spreads?

    You could easily squeeze a couple of states into that Clinton price buy/sell spread.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057
    SeanT said:

    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.

    We DEFINITELY have a problem if Islam has not Enlightened by then. And I doubt it ever will in the foreseeable.

    No liberal western democracy can accept a Muslim population over 10-15%, as by that point the aggressive nature of Islam changes the host society in ways fundamentally contrary to liberal democracy.

    Several European nations are already in the 5-10% bracket. So curbs on immigration by faith and culture are not far away. The voters will ensure they happen, by voting for far right parties, if necessary, who will terrify the mainstream parties into quick response.

    Look how the mere threat of UKIP has led to Brexit.
    It would be ironic if mainland Europe started implementing policies explicitly aimed at preventing Islamificiation while Britain swung back towards the Guardianista left after the economics of Brexit were discredited.
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    tyson said:

    Interesting chat on Northern Ireland on the previous thread.

    In my (admittedly prejudiced mind, probably from TV news in the 1980s/1990s) the image it's dangerous, poor and backward.

    Clearly, that's wrong*.

    (*although I should say, I have been to EIRE a couple of times on business - in Cork/Waterford - and wasn't exactly bowled over)

    It's not just the weather in NI...I don't think it's ever got over 30 degrees, the grey light, the rain, the bleak, stark, windswept landscape..... Belfast which is like a depressing Liverpool, surrounded by horrible new build estates from the 60's and 70's...it's those miserable proddies...they are soooo miserable and gloomy. Pasty white complexions, surly and ground down..

    That is why I thought if Alistair and his partner went through that optimistically....then the future indeed looks good. All best wishes again to Alistair's partner....
    I was with you until the religious bigotry.

    Wish the best to Alistair's partner as well.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    tyson said:

    Interesting chat on Northern Ireland on the previous thread.

    In my (admittedly prejudiced mind, probably from TV news in the 1980s/1990s) the image it's dangerous, poor and backward.

    Clearly, that's wrong*.

    (*although I should say, I have been to EIRE a couple of times on business - in Cork/Waterford - and wasn't exactly bowled over)

    It's not just the weather in NI...I don't think it's ever got over 30 degrees, the grey light, the rain, the bleak, stark, windswept landscape..... Belfast which is like a depressing Liverpool, surrounded by horrible new build estates from the 60's and 70's...it's those miserable proddies...they are soooo miserable and gloomy. Pasty white complexions, surly and ground down..

    That is why I thought if Alistair and his partner went through that optimistically....then the future indeed looks good. All best wishes again to Alistair's partner....
    I was with you until the religious bigotry.

    Wish the best to Alistair's partner as well.
    tyson was just getting in touch with his inner Ulsterman
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    FPT:

    PlatoSaid said:
    Fox News
    Virginia Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 44% to 41%. https://t.co/8fDJtjbObo

    Weirdest poll yet today. If that is right - meet President Trump.

    And OGH is a brave chap to be on the spreads on this election.

    The Hampton University polls in VA have been all over the place. They've had Hillary on +11 as well as Trump +1 before.
    It is out of line with three other polls in Virginia carried out over the same period.
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    Spurs will score versus Leverkusen and it'll end in a draw. Again.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    PlatoSaid said:

    FPT:

    PlatoSaid said:
    Fox News
    Virginia Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 44% to 41%. https://t.co/8fDJtjbObo

    Weirdest poll yet today. If that is right - meet President Trump.

    And OGH is a brave chap to be on the spreads on this election.

    I honestly feel like I'm talking to myself. The denial that this will happen is astonishing. As an embedded reporter - it's bloody obviously possible.
    Seven other up to date and even more recent polls in Virginia have Clinton leading by 4 to 12 points , your faith in the freak odd one out is weird .
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    SeanT said:

    tyson said:

    Interesting chat on Northern Ireland on the previous thread.

    In my (admittedly prejudiced mind, probably from TV news in the 1980s/1990s) the image it's dangerous, poor and backward.

    Clearly, that's wrong*.

    (*although I should say, I have been to EIRE a couple of times on business - in Cork/Waterford - and wasn't exactly bowled over)

    It's not just the weather in NI...I don't think it's ever got over 30 degrees, the grey light, the rain, the bleak, stark, windswept landscape..... Belfast which is like a depressing Liverpool, surrounded by horrible new build estates from the 60's and 70's...it's those miserable proddies...they are soooo miserable and gloomy. Pasty white complexions, surly and ground down..

    That is why I thought if Alistair and his partner went through that optimistically....then the future indeed looks good. All best wishes again to Alistair's partner....
    You're absolutely wrong. The scenery is striking - even Belfast has an amazing topography. And the people are very lovely and lovable. Wildly Fun & Friendly. Like Geordies, in my experience.

    Lots of sweet little pubs and country lanes. And some gorgeous countryside. Here, educate yourself!

    http://www.walkni.com/i//sections/08eba101-a418-4532-90f3-33f4a16a995f.jpg

    Excellent CGI. What film is that from?

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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    What is she thinking? Not much judging by this

    Harlan Hill
    .@HillaryClinton attacked Trump VOTERS (AGAIN).

    Everyone knows she loathes half the country, but don't take my word for it... Watch: https://t.co/M3cvQfk7yI
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.

    It isn't even multiculturalism.

    It's hosting one particularly hostile, uncompromising and wholly incompatible culture which often presents itself as having so little respect for every other one.

    There is no comparable problem with the other faiths that peacefully co-exist in the UK.

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057
    Various interviews with people queuing to see Trump in Florida, featuring Chinese Americans for Trump, Veterans for Trump, Soccer Moms for Trump, Gays for Trump and Jews for Trump.

    The best thing about the Trump phenomenon is turning the cynical identity politics playbook on its head.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhrVGfUbrVE
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    SeanT said:

    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.

    We DEFINITELY have a problem if Islam has not Enlightened by then. And I doubt it ever will in the foreseeable.

    No liberal western democracy can accept a Muslim population over 10-15%, as by that point the aggressive nature of Islam changes the host society in ways fundamentally contrary to liberal democracy.

    Several European nations are already in the 5-10% bracket. So curbs on immigration by faith and culture are not far away. The voters will ensure they happen, by voting for far right parties, if necessary, who will terrify the mainstream parties into quick response.

    Look how the mere threat of UKIP has led to Brexit.
    I'm not sure they will terrify the mainstream parties into a quick response.

    It's just as likely they retreat further into their shell aka Juncker, and Merkel.

    And, after that, what happens?

    Who knows?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    chestnut said:

    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.

    It isn't even multiculturalism.

    It's hosting one particularly hostile, uncompromising and wholly incompatible culture which often presents itself as having so little respect for every other one.

    There is no comparable problem with the other faiths that peacefully co-exist in the UK.

    Quite
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    On topic, aren't SportingIndex taking the piss a little bit with those spreads?

    You could easily squeeze a couple of states into that Clinton price buy/sell spread.

    Dead right ..... a margin of 15 ECVs is ridiculous ..... they increased it from 10 ECV's after the panic last Friday re the FBI email business. This was just understandable for a few hours until the market settled down which it did, but cynically they stayed with this rip-off margin. Ultimately they'll be the losers as punters will vote with their feet.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    FPT

    The idea that the pubs in Northern Ireland run from good to excellent I find a bit odd. Back in the day I went into some right shitholes, granted they were not in what one might call tourist areas.

    That said it does have some beautiful countryside and the people, like people everywhere I have been, are mostly friendly, welcoming and helpful.

    it's gone all touristy since your day Mr L

    when I was growing up pubs were spit and sawdust, and it was bring your own sawdust.
    It just about twenty years since I was last there, Mr. Brooke, well since insurance executive Llama was last there (and I had the paperwork to prove it in case of need). In those days NI had the highest number of BMWs per capita in the UK and the prosperous areas were jolly prosperous indeed.

    I am tempted to go and have a look at how it's all changed but the golden rule in life is never go back.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836

    Interesting chat on Northern Ireland on the previous thread.

    In my (admittedly prejudiced mind, probably from TV news in the 1980s/1990s) the image it's dangerous, poor and backward.

    Clearly, that's wrong*.

    (*although I should say, I have been to EIRE a couple of times on business - in Cork/Waterford - and wasn't exactly bowled over)

    I also spent a few days in Dublin. Which was not as attractive I thought it would be. I thought it would be like Edinburgh, but it's not so impressive.

    But, the Wicklow Mountains, about 20 miles South, are hauntingly beautiful. We visited Glendalough a vast ruined monastic town, which was like something from a Tom Knox novel. And Malahide and Dublin Bay are great, as well.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    @Casino.......

    The (my) religious bigotry though is important....you have to remember that the Northern Irish are mostly Lutherans. Really friggin dour...they do not allow singing, or colour in the churches which are just stark. They wear black, and the church services are full of hell, fire and brimstone and misery, homophobic too. Think Ian Paisley..... Bleak, miserable.......not even the slightest glimmer of happiness or joy..

    At least the Papes (left footers) like a few drinks, a song and dance, a bit of incense and a good laugh.

    The Lutheran god was really fucking miserable and he made Northern Ireland in his image.

    I won't go down Islam, because there are other posters like seanT who better articulate my views about that backward load of bollox....

    I quite like Hinduism without the caste nonsense., or Buddhism. I like Catholicism, Baptism, and a spot of happy clappy get your tambourine out Born againism....

    But Lutherism in Northern Ireland.....not for me.....
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    tyson said:

    Interesting chat on Northern Ireland on the previous thread.

    In my (admittedly prejudiced mind, probably from TV news in the 1980s/1990s) the image it's dangerous, poor and backward.

    Clearly, that's wrong*.

    (*although I should say, I have been to EIRE a couple of times on business - in Cork/Waterford - and wasn't exactly bowled over)

    It's not just the weather in NI...I don't think it's ever got over 30 degrees, the grey light, the rain, the bleak, stark, windswept landscape..... Belfast which is like a depressing Liverpool, surrounded by horrible new build estates from the 60's and 70's...it's those miserable proddies...they are soooo miserable and gloomy. Pasty white complexions, surly and ground down..

    That is why I thought if Alistair and his partner went through that optimistically....then the future indeed looks good. All best wishes again to Alistair's partner....

    Struggling to understand what there is not to like about bleak, stark, windswept landscape. That's the best kind, surely.

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    SeanT said:

    FPT

    The idea that the pubs in Northern Ireland run from good to excellent I find a bit odd. Back in the day I went into some right shitholes, granted they were not in what one might call tourist areas.

    That said it does have some beautiful countryside and the people, like people everywhere I have been, are mostly friendly, welcoming and helpful.

    it's gone all touristy since your day Mr L

    when I was growing up pubs were spit and sawdust, and it was bring your own sawdust.
    Same has happened in the far West of southern Ireland - e.g. Connemara - and also the Hebrides. Pubs have closed, or become gastropubs, or music pubs, or just great pubs. Seriously improving their offering.

    I did a five day Times travel piece on Dartmoor the other day. I had a truly brilliant meal (at Gidleigh Park) a rather fine meal (at Ilsington), some famous breakfasts (Bovey Castle's haddock and poached egg is better than ANY breakfast you'd get anywhere in continental Europe. Literally). The worst of my experiences was mediocre-to-decent.

    In between I was offered excellent pub food, fine ales, splendid hospitality. And the landscapes and history of Dartmoor, of course.

    British hotels, pubs and restaurants have really raised their game. Still more to do, naturally.

    If I wanted to go somewhere civilised I went to Hillsborough, which would remind you a bit of an english village.

    Several good pubs and I used to have an occasional drink with the man who invented the portable defibrilator. He probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Pantridge
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836

    FPT

    The idea that the pubs in Northern Ireland run from good to excellent I find a bit odd. Back in the day I went into some right shitholes, granted they were not in what one might call tourist areas.

    That said it does have some beautiful countryside and the people, like people everywhere I have been, are mostly friendly, welcoming and helpful.

    The tourist trade has boomed in Coastal areas. Presumably, that's driven up the quality of facilities.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,328
    edited November 2016
    tyson said:

    @Casino.......

    The (my) religious bigotry though is important....you have to remember that the Northern Irish are mostly Lutherans. Really friggin dour...they do not allow singing, or colour in the churches which are just stark. They wear black, and the church services are full of hell, fire and brimstone and misery, homophobic too. Think Ian Paisley..... Bleak, miserable.......not even the slightest glimmer of happiness or joy..

    At least the Papes (left footers) like a few drinks, a song and dance, a bit of incense and a good laugh.

    The Lutheran god was really fucking miserable and he made Northern Ireland in his image.

    I won't go down Islam, because there are other posters like seanT who better articulate my views about that backward load of bollox....

    I quite like Hinduism without the caste nonsense., or Buddhism. I like Catholicism, Baptism, and a spot of happy clappy get your tambourine out Born againism....

    But Lutherism in Northern Ireland.....not for me.....

    Embarrassing mate.

    You wouldn't dare make the same stereotypes the other way round.

    But let's move on.

    (edit: at least you're honest, credit for that)
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    edited November 2016
    tyson said:

    @Casino.......

    The (my) religious bigotry though is important....you have to remember that the Northern Irish are mostly Lutherans. Really friggin dour...they do not allow singing, or colour in the churches which are just stark. They wear black, and the church services are full of hell, fire and brimstone and misery, homophobic too. Think Ian Paisley..... Bleak, miserable.......not even the slightest glimmer of happiness or joy..

    At least the Papes (left footers) like a few drinks, a song and dance, a bit of incense and a good laugh.

    The Lutheran god was really fucking miserable and he made Northern Ireland in his image.

    I won't go down Islam, because there are other posters like seanT who better articulate my views about that backward load of bollox....

    I quite like Hinduism without the caste nonsense., or Buddhism. I like Catholicism, Baptism, and a spot of happy clappy get your tambourine out Born againism....

    But Lutherism in Northern Ireland.....not for me.....

    shows how little you know the place.

    The largest denomination is catholic, then calvinist, then anglican there are probably a couple of thousand Lutherans in the whole of Ireland


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    SeanT said:

    FPT

    The idea that the pubs in Northern Ireland run from good to excellent I find a bit odd. Back in the day I went into some right shitholes, granted they were not in what one might call tourist areas.

    That said it does have some beautiful countryside and the people, like people everywhere I have been, are mostly friendly, welcoming and helpful.

    it's gone all touristy since your day Mr L

    when I was growing up pubs were spit and sawdust, and it was bring your own sawdust.
    Same has happened in the far West of southern Ireland - e.g. Connemara - and also the Hebrides. Pubs have closed, or become gastropubs, or music pubs, or just great pubs. Seriously improving their offering.

    I did a five day Times travel piece on Dartmoor the other day. I had a truly brilliant meal (at Gidleigh Park) a rather fine meal (at Ilsington), some famous breakfasts (Bovey Castle's haddock and poached egg is better than ANY breakfast you'd get anywhere in continental Europe. Literally). The worst of my experiences was mediocre-to-decent.

    In between I was offered excellent pub food, fine ales, splendid hospitality. And the landscapes and history of Dartmoor, of course.

    British hotels, pubs and restaurants have really raised their game. Still more to do, naturally.

    If I wanted to go somewhere civilised I went to Hillsborough, which would remind you a bit of an english village.

    Several good pubs and I used to have an occasional drink with the man who invented the portable defibrilator. He probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Pantridge
    Amazing the genius and magic of Ulster.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    "British hotels, pubs and restaurants have really raised their game."

    They have certainly raised their prices. My local now charges just under eight quid for a cheese sandwich, eight feckin' quid for a feckin' sandwich. Going in the other direction the pub charges £6.95 for a slice of what is in fact, despite all the fancy labels, a slice of cheese on toast. Plus beer now starts at £4 a pint. However, despite these ridiculously high prices all publicans I know say they are struggling to make a living.

    Lord Young and his beer orders of the Thatcher years is ultimately responsible. Never has so well meaning change had such damaging unintended consequences.
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    Scott_P said:

    @alexbigham: After failing to get @SeumasMilne's job, @paulmasonnews has just failed to get elected as a branch delegate to @VauxhallLabour GC. #momentum

    @midlifemason: This is an MSM lie. I did not "fail to get elected". I was out clubbing. With chicks. twitter.com/alexbigham/sta…

    That's what you get for bad mouthing the great leader while drinking overpriced crappy hipster lager.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    tyson said:

    @Casino.......

    The (my) religious bigotry though is important....you have to remember that the Northern Irish are mostly Lutherans. Really friggin dour...they do not allow singing, or colour in the churches which are just stark. They wear black, and the church services are full of hell, fire and brimstone and misery, homophobic too. Think Ian Paisley..... Bleak, miserable.......not even the slightest glimmer of happiness or joy..

    At least the Papes (left footers) like a few drinks, a song and dance, a bit of incense and a good laugh.

    The Lutheran god was really fucking miserable and he made Northern Ireland in his image.

    I won't go down Islam, because there are other posters like seanT who better articulate my views about that backward load of bollox....

    I quite like Hinduism without the caste nonsense., or Buddhism. I like Catholicism, Baptism, and a spot of happy clappy get your tambourine out Born againism....

    But Lutherism in Northern Ireland.....not for me.....

    You're describing the Free Presbyterians, who are about 2% of the population.
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    Sean_F said:

    Interesting chat on Northern Ireland on the previous thread.

    In my (admittedly prejudiced mind, probably from TV news in the 1980s/1990s) the image it's dangerous, poor and backward.

    Clearly, that's wrong*.

    (*although I should say, I have been to EIRE a couple of times on business - in Cork/Waterford - and wasn't exactly bowled over)

    I also spent a few days in Dublin. Which was not as attractive I thought it would be. I thought it would be like Edinburgh, but it's not so impressive.

    But, the Wicklow Mountains, about 20 miles South, are hauntingly beautiful. We visited Glendalough a vast ruined monastic town, which was like something from a Tom Knox novel. And Malahide and Dublin Bay are great, as well.

    When I went to Dublin it reminded me of Holloway, but with green letterboxes and buses and fewer Celtic shirts. Best breakfast ever, though.

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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050

    tyson said:

    @Casino.......

    The (my) religious bigotry though is important....you have to remember that the Northern Irish are mostly Lutherans. Really friggin dour...they do not allow singing, or colour in the churches which are just stark. They wear black, and the church services are full of hell, fire and brimstone and misery, homophobic too. Think Ian Paisley..... Bleak, miserable.......not even the slightest glimmer of happiness or joy..

    At least the Papes (left footers) like a few drinks, a song and dance, a bit of incense and a good laugh.

    The Lutheran god was really fucking miserable and he made Northern Ireland in his image.

    I won't go down Islam, because there are other posters like seanT who better articulate my views about that backward load of bollox....

    I quite like Hinduism without the caste nonsense., or Buddhism. I like Catholicism, Baptism, and a spot of happy clappy get your tambourine out Born againism....

    But Lutherism in Northern Ireland.....not for me.....

    Embarrassing mate.

    You wouldn't dare make the same stereotypes the other way round.

    But let's move on.

    (edit: at least you're honest, credit for that)
    Which other way round? I'm curious....

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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    PlatoSaid said:

    I'll keep saying it for the punters here, not the tribal posters as they poo poo everything like some weirdly sad virility symbol

    The D+ polls are replicating 2008 Obama. Hillary is not this candidate using any metric. We all know this.

    DYOR

    You don't see the irony in describing other posters as tribal?

    Trump may win, indeed I am a Trump bettor, Trump may lose, but the difference between Dem identifiers and Dem voters has been explained to you several times and yet you keep bringing it up. It's just utterly tiresome.
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    chestnut said:

    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.

    It isn't even multiculturalism.

    It's hosting one particularly hostile, uncompromising and wholly incompatible culture which often presents itself as having so little respect for every other one.

    There is no comparable problem with the other faiths that peacefully co-exist in the UK.

    I think SeanT got it right when he said that black Britons had integrated rather well, and Enoch had got it wrong.

    Apart from some (not insignificant problems) like inner-city gang warfare, Jamaican/Jafaican culture, a bit of playing of the race card, and irritations like Black History month, I think that's right.
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    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.

    We DEFINITELY have a problem if Islam has not Enlightened by then. And I doubt it ever will in the foreseeable.

    No liberal western democracy can accept a Muslim population over 10-15%, as by that point the aggressive nature of Islam changes the host society in ways fundamentally contrary to liberal democracy.

    Several European nations are already in the 5-10% bracket. So curbs on immigration by faith and culture are not far away. The voters will ensure they happen, by voting for far right parties, if necessary, who will terrify the mainstream parties into quick response.

    Look how the mere threat of UKIP has led to Brexit.
    I'm not sure they will terrify the mainstream parties into a quick response.

    It's just as likely they retreat further into their shell aka Juncker, and Merkel.

    And, after that, what happens?

    Who knows?
    France is surprisingly close to a Le pen Presidency. Austria nearly elected a quasi-Fascist as president.

    They might choose to retreat into their shells but then that would choosing electoral suicide. Far more likely is that, in the end, democratic parties will adapt to the righty mood.
    Some don't (France, Hungary, Austria and now the UK)

    Some do (Sweden, Germany and the EU)

    It will be interesting to see what happens next.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    tyson said:

    tyson said:

    @Casino.......

    The (my) religious bigotry though is important....you have to remember that the Northern Irish are mostly Lutherans. Really friggin dour...they do not allow singing, or colour in the churches which are just stark. They wear black, and the church services are full of hell, fire and brimstone and misery, homophobic too. Think Ian Paisley..... Bleak, miserable.......not even the slightest glimmer of happiness or joy..

    At least the Papes (left footers) like a few drinks, a song and dance, a bit of incense and a good laugh.

    The Lutheran god was really fucking miserable and he made Northern Ireland in his image.

    I won't go down Islam, because there are other posters like seanT who better articulate my views about that backward load of bollox....

    I quite like Hinduism without the caste nonsense., or Buddhism. I like Catholicism, Baptism, and a spot of happy clappy get your tambourine out Born againism....

    But Lutherism in Northern Ireland.....not for me.....

    Embarrassing mate.

    You wouldn't dare make the same stereotypes the other way round.

    But let's move on.

    (edit: at least you're honest, credit for that)
    Which other way round? I'm curious....

    I think it means youre just a hypoctical racist

    unlike those lovely inclusive ulster proddies

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34088527
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Sean_F said:

    tyson said:

    @Casino.......

    The (my) religious bigotry though is important....you have to remember that the Northern Irish are mostly Lutherans. Really friggin dour...they do not allow singing, or colour in the churches which are just stark. They wear black, and the church services are full of hell, fire and brimstone and misery, homophobic too. Think Ian Paisley..... Bleak, miserable.......not even the slightest glimmer of happiness or joy..

    At least the Papes (left footers) like a few drinks, a song and dance, a bit of incense and a good laugh.

    The Lutheran god was really fucking miserable and he made Northern Ireland in his image.

    I won't go down Islam, because there are other posters like seanT who better articulate my views about that backward load of bollox....

    I quite like Hinduism without the caste nonsense., or Buddhism. I like Catholicism, Baptism, and a spot of happy clappy get your tambourine out Born againism....

    But Lutherism in Northern Ireland.....not for me.....

    You're describing the Free Presbyterians, who are about 2% of the population.
    Well I seem to have met quite a few of them in my time.....and up in the north of Scotland too...
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    weejonnie said:
    Obama's just a glib clothes horse. Such a disappointment.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Black Mirror is very good.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,979
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.

    We DEFINITELY have a problem if Islam has not Enlightened by then. And I doubt it ever will in the foreseeable.

    No liberal western democracy can accept a Muslim population over 10-15%, as by that point the aggressive nature of Islam changes the host society in ways fundamentally contrary to liberal democracy.

    Several European nations are already in the 5-10% bracket. So curbs on immigration by faith and culture are not far away. The voters will ensure they happen, by voting for far right parties, if necessary, who will terrify the mainstream parties into quick response.

    Look how the mere threat of UKIP has led to Brexit.
    I'm not sure they will terrify the mainstream parties into a quick response.

    It's just as likely they retreat further into their shell aka Juncker, and Merkel.

    And, after that, what happens?

    Who knows?
    France is surprisingly close to a Le pen Presidency. Austria nearly elected a quasi-Fascist as president.

    They might choose to retreat into their shells but then that would choosing electoral suicide. Far more likely is that, in the end, democratic parties will adapt to the righty mood.
    France really isn't, you know.

    In three weeks time, Alain Juppe will come first in the first round of the Les Republicains primary. He will go on to become the LR candidate, will beat Marine Le Pen 38% to 28% in the first round, and 70% to 30% in the second.

    That's not "surprisingly close".
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    Jonathan said:

    Black Mirror is very good.

    Out of the last batch only 'Playtest' strikes me as a proper dud.
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    edited November 2016
    ....Dupe....
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    edited November 2016

    tyson said:

    tyson said:

    @Casino.......

    The (my) religious bigotry though is important....you have to remember that the Northern Irish are mostly Lutherans. Really friggin dour...they do not allow singing, or colour in the churches which are just stark. They wear black, and the church services are full of hell, fire and brimstone and misery, homophobic too. Think Ian Paisley..... Bleak, miserable.......not even the slightest glimmer of happiness or joy..

    At least the Papes (left footers) like a few drinks, a song and dance, a bit of incense and a good laugh.

    The Lutheran god was really fucking miserable and he made Northern Ireland in his image.

    I won't go down Islam, because there are other posters like seanT who better articulate my views about that backward load of bollox....

    I quite like Hinduism without the caste nonsense., or Buddhism. I like Catholicism, Baptism, and a spot of happy clappy get your tambourine out Born againism....

    But Lutherism in Northern Ireland.....not for me.....

    Embarrassing mate.

    You wouldn't dare make the same stereotypes the other way round.

    But let's move on.

    (edit: at least you're honest, credit for that)
    Which other way round? I'm curious....

    I think it means youre just a hypoctical racist

    unlike those lovely inclusive ulster proddies

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34088527

    Can I just say...I have tried to temper my nihilistic atheism, bit sometimes it bubbles up...there is no God...It is shit....All of it..Bollox.....


    Between your 60 virgins or whatever you manage to get for blowing yourselves up, to thinking that Mary never got shagged and produced a child (how?), your homophobic nonsense, covering up women, hell...burning forever (where), and all the other supernatural crap....you may as well as believe in Scientology. At least Grease was a good film.

    We might laugh that 40% of Trump supporters think Hillary is a demon....but in light of what everyone else believes, it's not that stupid is it really?
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited November 2016

    chestnut said:

    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.

    It isn't even multiculturalism.

    It's hosting one particularly hostile, uncompromising and wholly incompatible culture which often presents itself as having so little respect for every other one.

    There is no comparable problem with the other faiths that peacefully co-exist in the UK.

    I think SeanT got it right when he said that black Britons had integrated rather well, and Enoch had got it wrong.

    Apart from some (not insignificant problems) like inner-city gang warfare, Jamaican/Jafaican culture, a bit of playing of the race card, and irritations like Black History month, I think that's right.
    Jesus Christ this site is weird.

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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    PlatoSaid said:

    What is she thinking? Not much judging by this

    Harlan Hill
    .@HillaryClinton attacked Trump VOTERS (AGAIN).

    Everyone knows she loathes half the country, but don't take my word for it... Watch: https://t.co/M3cvQfk7yI

    She's thinking, let's fire up the base because there are no undecided voters left
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Dublin's problem is lack of hills.

    It's what makes Edinburgh great, and such a fucking pain to navigate.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    PlatoSaid said:

    FPT:

    PlatoSaid said:
    Fox News
    Virginia Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 44% to 41%. https://t.co/8fDJtjbObo

    Weirdest poll yet today. If that is right - meet President Trump.

    And OGH is a brave chap to be on the spreads on this election.

    I honestly feel like I'm talking to myself. The denial that this will happen is astonishing. As an embedded reporter - it's bloody obviously possible.
    Seven other up to date and even more recent polls in Virginia have Clinton leading by 4 to 12 points , your faith in the freak odd one out is weird .
    It is often said by the hard right on here "it will be hilarious if Trump wins because the Guardianistas etc".

    The reverse is of course true. Plato, Moniker and the rest of the white nationalist rampers will never be able to show their face again if Trump loses.

    The way a betting site has been turned into hard right ramping and poll cherry picking ground is sad. I can only assume that none of these people ever bet.
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    On topic - I think OGH is very brave. I'm living in the US until Christmas at the moment and there's plenty of polls that show a tightening. The Republicans have not lost this (and there's still a huge contest across so many down ballot candidates). I think Trump has shy supporters too (watch out on Michigan).
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962

    chestnut said:

    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.

    It isn't even multiculturalism.

    It's hosting one particularly hostile, uncompromising and wholly incompatible culture which often presents itself as having so little respect for every other one.

    There is no comparable problem with the other faiths that peacefully co-exist in the UK.

    I think SeanT got it right when he said that black Britons had integrated rather well, and Enoch had got it wrong.

    Apart from some (not insignificant problems) like inner-city gang warfare, Jamaican/Jafaican culture, a bit of playing of the race card, and irritations like Black History month, I think that's right.
    Jesus Christ this site is wierd
    You must be new here!
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    I'm not playing these spreads.

    Yet.
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    Jobabob said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    FPT:

    PlatoSaid said:
    Fox News
    Virginia Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 44% to 41%. https://t.co/8fDJtjbObo

    Weirdest poll yet today. If that is right - meet President Trump.

    And OGH is a brave chap to be on the spreads on this election.

    I honestly feel like I'm talking to myself. The denial that this will happen is astonishing. As an embedded reporter - it's bloody obviously possible.
    Seven other up to date and even more recent polls in Virginia have Clinton leading by 4 to 12 points , your faith in the freak odd one out is weird .
    It is often said by the hard right on here "it will be hilarious if Trump wins because the Guardianistas etc".

    The reverse is of course true. Plato, Moniker and the rest of the white nationalist rampers will never be able to show their face again if Trump loses.

    The way a betting site has been turned into hard right ramping and poll cherry picking ground is sad. I can only assume that none of these people ever bet.
    1000% right. The way people see, and comment on those who aren't white and male at times as this weirdly different 'other', is pretty sad as well.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jonathan said:

    Black Mirror is very good.

    Community did Ep 1 better. And many years earlier.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.

    We DEFINITELY have a problem if Islam has not Enlightened by then. And I doubt it ever will in the foreseeable.

    No liberal western democracy can accept a Muslim population over 10-15%, as by that point the aggressive nature of Islam changes the host society in ways fundamentally contrary to liberal democracy.

    Several European nations are already in the 5-10% bracket. So curbs on immigration by faith and culture are not far away. The voters will ensure they happen, by voting for far right parties, if necessary, who will terrify the mainstream parties into quick response.

    Look how the mere threat of UKIP has led to Brexit.
    I'm not sure they will terrify the mainstream parties into a quick response.

    It's just as likely they retreat further into their shell aka Juncker, and Merkel.

    And, after that, what happens?

    Who knows?
    France is surprisingly close to a Le pen Presidency. Austria nearly elected a quasi-Fascist as president.

    They might choose to retreat into their shells but then that would choosing electoral suicide. Far more likely is that, in the end, democratic parties will adapt to the righty mood.
    France really isn't, you know.

    In three weeks time, Alain Juppe will come first in the first round of the Les Republicains primary. He will go on to become the LR candidate, will beat Marine Le Pen 38% to 28% in the first round, and 70% to 30% in the second.

    That's not "surprisingly close".
    Juppe is as nailed on as DSK 5 years ago...until he had his hotel thing....


    I like Juppe too which helps (but I did like...and was subsequently very disappointed with DSK). Hollande...please?
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    How do you like them apples Twitter...

    Facebook quarterly profits surge 166% to $2.4bn
    http://news.sky.com/story/facebook-quarterly-profits-surge-166-to-24bn-10642325
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    Jobabob said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    FPT:

    PlatoSaid said:
    Fox News
    Virginia Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 44% to 41%. https://t.co/8fDJtjbObo

    Weirdest poll yet today. If that is right - meet President Trump.

    And OGH is a brave chap to be on the spreads on this election.

    I honestly feel like I'm talking to myself. The denial that this will happen is astonishing. As an embedded reporter - it's bloody obviously possible.
    Seven other up to date and even more recent polls in Virginia have Clinton leading by 4 to 12 points , your faith in the freak odd one out is weird .
    It is often said by the hard right on here "it will be hilarious if Trump wins because the Guardianistas etc".

    The reverse is of course true. Plato, Moniker and the rest of the white nationalist rampers will never be able to show their face again if Trump loses.

    The way a betting site has been turned into hard right ramping and poll cherry picking ground is sad. I can only assume that none of these people ever bet.
    Pedant mode (again).. not sure you can be a ramper if you do not bet ;)
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    tyson said:

    tyson said:

    tyson said:

    @Casino.......

    The (my) religious bigotry though is important....you have to remember that the Northern Irish are mostly Lutherans. Really friggin dour...they do not allow singing, or colour in the churches which are just stark. They wear black, and the church services are full of hell, fire and brimstone and misery, homophobic too. Think Ian Paisley..... Bleak, miserable.......not even the slightest glimmer of happiness or joy..

    At least the Papes (left footers) like a few drinks, a song and dance, a bit of incense and a good laugh.

    The Lutheran god was really fucking miserable and he made Northern Ireland in his image.

    I won't go down Islam, because there are other posters like seanT who better articulate my views about that backward load of bollox....

    I quite like Hinduism without the caste nonsense., or Buddhism. I like Catholicism, Baptism, and a spot of happy clappy get your tambourine out Born againism....

    But Lutherism in Northern Ireland.....not for me.....

    Embarrassing mate.

    You wouldn't dare make the same stereotypes the other way round.

    But let's move on.

    (edit: at least you're honest, credit for that)
    Which other way round? I'm curious....

    I think it means youre just a hypoctical racist

    unlike those lovely inclusive ulster proddies

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34088527

    Can I just say...I have tried to temper my nihilistic atheism, bit sometimes it bubbles up...there is no God...It is shit....All of it..Bollox.....


    Between your 60 virgins or whatever you manage to get for blowing yourselves up, to thinking that Mary never got shagged and produced a child (how?), your homophobic nonsense, covering up women, hell...burning forever (where), and all the other supernatural crap....you may as well as believe in Scientology. At least Grease was a good film.

    We might laugh that 40% of Trump supporters think Hillary is a demon....but in light of what everyone else believes, it's not that stupid is it really?
    you;ll never make a gospel choir with that attitude.

    But look on the bright side atheists have fewer kids and die sooner so it wont be your problem
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited November 2016
    I tell you what I hate more than non bettors "ramping" is minor bettors banging on about non bettors as if they are billy big bollock gamblers.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    On topic - I can get Trump to 259. Don't see any way he can get above that (maybe 260 with Maine's district)
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I think Pennsylvania should concern the Clinton camp. Last 5 polls have Clinton leading by 2, 4, 4, 5 and 2 points.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5964.html
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    RobD said:

    On topic - I can get Trump to 259. Don't see any way he can get above that (maybe 260 with Maine's district)

    I think the Maine district is very much in play
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.

    We DEFINITELY have a problem if Islam has not Enlightened by then. And I doubt it ever will in the foreseeable.

    No liberal western democracy can accept a Muslim population over 10-15%, as by that point the aggressive nature of Islam changes the host society in ways fundamentally contrary to liberal democracy.

    Several European nations are already in the 5-10% bracket. So curbs on immigration by faith and culture are not far away. The voters will ensure they happen, by voting for far right parties, if necessary, who will terrify the mainstream parties into quick response.

    Look how the mere threat of UKIP has led to Brexit.
    I'm not sure they will terrify the mainstream parties into a quick response.

    It's just as likely they retreat further into their shell aka Juncker, and Merkel.

    And, after that, what happens?

    Who knows?
    France is surprisingly close to a Le pen Presidency. Austria nearly elected a quasi-Fascist as president.

    They might choose to retreat into their shells but then that would choosing electoral suicide. Far more likely is that, in the end, democratic parties will adapt to the righty mood.
    France really isn't, you know.

    In three weeks time, Alain Juppe will come first in the first round of the Les Republicains primary. He will go on to become the LR candidate, will beat Marine Le Pen 38% to 28% in the first round, and 70% to 30% in the second.

    That's not "surprisingly close".
    Quite. Another PB meme that has been debunked several times. Le Pen has zero chance against LR (UMP as was) candidate in the final round. None.
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    Greens look likely to stand aside for the LDs in Richmond - could be worth about 2% to Sarah Olney:

    https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/793914600857165824
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    I tell you what I hate more than non bettors "ramping" is minor bettors banging on about non bettors as if they are billy big bollock gamblers.

    I hope for Bobajob's sake that's he's a minor bettor. His tips are ruinously inept.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    Jobabob said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    FPT:

    PlatoSaid said:
    Fox News
    Virginia Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 44% to 41%. https://t.co/8fDJtjbObo

    Weirdest poll yet today. If that is right - meet President Trump.

    And OGH is a brave chap to be on the spreads on this election.

    I honestly feel like I'm talking to myself. The denial that this will happen is astonishing. As an embedded reporter - it's bloody obviously possible.
    Seven other up to date and even more recent polls in Virginia have Clinton leading by 4 to 12 points , your faith in the freak odd one out is weird .
    It is often said by the hard right on here "it will be hilarious if Trump wins because the Guardianistas etc".

    The reverse is of course true. Plato, Moniker and the rest of the white nationalist rampers will never be able to show their face again if Trump loses.

    The way a betting site has been turned into hard right ramping and poll cherry picking ground is sad. I can only assume that none of these people ever bet.
    The 'hard right' being anyone who has the temerity to disagree with you?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    Jobabob said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.

    We DEFINITELY have a problem if Islam has not Enlightened by then. And I doubt it ever will in the foreseeable.

    No liberal western democracy can accept a Muslim population over 10-15%, as by that point the aggressive nature of Islam changes the host society in ways fundamentally contrary to liberal democracy.

    Several European nations are already in the 5-10% bracket. So curbs on immigration by faith and culture are not far away. The voters will ensure they happen, by voting for far right parties, if necessary, who will terrify the mainstream parties into quick response.

    Look how the mere threat of UKIP has led to Brexit.
    I'm not sure they will terrify the mainstream parties into a quick response.

    It's just as likely they retreat further into their shell aka Juncker, and Merkel.

    And, after that, what happens?

    Who knows?
    France is surprisingly close to a Le pen Presidency. Austria nearly elected a quasi-Fascist as president.

    They might choose to retreat into their shells but then that would choosing electoral suicide. Far more likely is that, in the end, democratic parties will adapt to the righty mood.
    France really isn't, you know.

    In three weeks time, Alain Juppe will come first in the first round of the Les Republicains primary. He will go on to become the LR candidate, will beat Marine Le Pen 38% to 28% in the first round, and 70% to 30% in the second.

    That's not "surprisingly close".
    Quite. Another PB meme that has been debunked several times. Le Pen has zero chance against LR (UMP as was) candidate in the final round. None.
    I'd say she has an outside chance if it's Sarkozy.

    Everybody hates Sarkozy, even Mrs Sarkozy
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,274
    Looks like a typically smart bet by Mike. The upside is much greater than the downside. Trump might squeeze this but a Clinton 350+ is just as possible.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    I don't want Trump to win.

    However, if he does it will cause the dollar to fall in value. This might cancel out some of Sterling's fall since the Brexit vote. The shock of a Trump win may also mean that the oil price falls due to the perceived damage Trumps economic and trade policies would do to the global economy. It could be argued that for the UK it could be a good thing for Trump to become POTUS economically whilst Brexit goes on.

    I saw the comments mocking Obama's comments on the threat of a Trump presidency and was amused. But the truth is the only winners to Trump being elected are China and Russia. I know David Cameron's WW3 threat was mocked in relation to the EU but even that you could argue could be true if the EU fell apart and Russia decided to get into the old soviet habit of invading countries that it perceived to be weak. I am no defender of David Cameron, he got a real good kick up the arse and his reputation is much worse than many of the preceeding holders of that high office.

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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    Jobabob said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    FPT:

    PlatoSaid said:
    Fox News
    Virginia Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 44% to 41%. https://t.co/8fDJtjbObo

    Weirdest poll yet today. If that is right - meet President Trump.

    And OGH is a brave chap to be on the spreads on this election.

    I honestly feel like I'm talking to myself. The denial that this will happen is astonishing. As an embedded reporter - it's bloody obviously possible.
    Seven other up to date and even more recent polls in Virginia have Clinton leading by 4 to 12 points , your faith in the freak odd one out is weird .
    It is often said by the hard right on here "it will be hilarious if Trump wins because the Guardianistas etc".

    The reverse is of course true. Plato, Moniker and the rest of the white nationalist rampers will never be able to show their face again if Trump loses.

    The way a betting site has been turned into hard right ramping and poll cherry picking ground is sad. I can only assume that none of these people ever bet.
    Winding up guardianistas is always fun, unless one agrees with them.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited November 2016

    I tell you what I hate more than non bettors "ramping" is minor bettors banging on about non bettors as if they are billy big bollock gamblers.

    I hope for Bobajob's sake that's he's a minor bettor. His tips are ruinously inept.
    He's backed Trump. Who you think will win. And you call him inept? Interesting...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    Alistair said:

    RobD said:

    On topic - I can get Trump to 259. Don't see any way he can get above that (maybe 260 with Maine's district)

    I think the Maine district is very much in play
    Yep, but he needs 10 more and I can't find them!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991

    I don't want Trump to win.

    However, if he does it will cause the dollar to fall in value. This might cancel out some of Sterling's fall since the Brexit vote. The shock of a Trump win may also mean that the oil price falls due to the perceived damage Trumps economic and trade policies would do to the global economy. It could be argued that for the UK it could be a good thing for Trump to become POTUS economically whilst Brexit goes on.

    I saw the comments mocking Obama's comments on the threat of a Trump presidency and was amused. But the truth is the only winners to Trump being elected are China and Russia. I know David Cameron's WW3 threat was mocked in relation to the EU but even that you could argue could be true if the EU fell apart and Russia decided to get into the old soviet habit of invading countries that it perceived to be weak. I am no defender of David Cameron, he got a real good kick up the arse and his reputation is much worse than many of the preceeding holders of that high office.

    Given Trump wants a trade war with China I don't think they are exactly winners from a Trump presidency, Russia and Brexit UK maybe
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    weejonnie said:
    Obama's just a glib clothes horse. Such a disappointment.
    Yes, we all recall your high hopes for him when he was elected.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    @Alanbrooke
    That's just dandy....those who believe in supernatural claptrap are going to populate the future...It's like a throwback to the dinosaurs...

    There are many people on this site who believe that Trump is a good thing....But on the great scheme of things that view has a damn site more credibility than people who believe in virgin births, people coming back from the dead , and those ridiculous Christian ceremonies that were inflicted me on as a child when we seemed to speak about shepherds, flocks and sheep.

    At least I can see Donald Trump....
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    https://youtu.be/BFZy2AVM7ls Interesting clip reminds of shy leavers before June's referendum people embarrassed to admit voting Leave/Trump
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991
    SeanT said:

    Jobabob said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    FPT - interesting discussion. The UK will likely hit majority minority status too, on current trends, by around about 2065-2085 as well.

    Personally, I don't think multiracialism is a problem, and people will accept it.

    But they won't accept multiculturalism and, if the two are linked, we have a problem.

    We DEFINITELY have a problem if Islam has not Enlightened by then. And I doubt it ever will in the foreseeable.

    No liberal western democracy can accept a Muslim population over 10-15%, as by that point the aggressive nature of Islam changes the host society in ways fundamentally contrary to liberal democracy.

    Several European nations are already in the 5-10% bracket. So curbs on immigration by faith and culture are not far away. The voters will ensure they happen, by voting for far right parties, if necessary, who will terrify the mainstream parties into quick response.

    Look how the mere threat of UKIP has led to Brexit.
    I'm not sure they will terrify the mainstream parties into a quick response.

    It's just as likely they retreat further into their shell aka Juncker, and Merkel.

    And, after that, what happens?

    Who knows?
    France is surprisingly close to a Le pen Presidency. Austria nearly elected a quasi-Fascist as president.

    They might choose to retreat into their shells but then that would choosing electoral suicide. Far more likely is that, in the end, democratic parties will adapt to the righty mood.
    France really isn't, you know.

    In three weeks time, Alain Juppe will come first in the first round of the Les Republicains primary. He will go on to become the LR candidate, will beat Marine Le Pen 38% to 28% in the first round, and 70% to 30% in the second.

    That's not "surprisingly close".
    Quite. Another PB meme that has been debunked several times. Le Pen has zero chance against LR (UMP as was) candidate in the final round. None.
    No one sane has ever suggested Le Pen could win. In the French system, it is impossible.

    The point is what effect she will have on French politics overall. Judging by the remarks of Sarko on Islam, she will tilt French politics very firmly to the "right".
    If Trump were to win and post Brexit who knows, especially given a few more terror attacks in France. Le Pen has nothing to lose given most commentators have written her off, the French establishment everything to lose. It is the French working and lower middle-class she needs for a small majority, like Brexit and Trump she can win without most if the elite
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    Anorak said:

    I tell you what I hate more than non bettors "ramping" is minor bettors banging on about non bettors as if they are billy big bollock gamblers.

    I hope for Bobajob's sake that's he's a minor bettor. His tips are ruinously inept.
    He's backed Trump. Who you think will win. And you call him inept? Interesting...
    Bobajob's sprayed his diarrhea far and wide but most of it's on Hillary.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited November 2016
    SeanT said:

    Jobabob said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    FPT:

    PlatoSaid said:
    Fox News
    Virginia Poll: @realDonaldTrump leads @HillaryClinton 44% to 41%. https://t.co/8fDJtjbObo

    Weirdest poll yet today. If that is right - meet President Trump.

    And OGH is a brave chap to be on the spreads on this election.

    I honestly feel like I'm talking to myself. The denial that this will happen is astonishing. As an embedded reporter - it's bloody obviously possible.
    Seven other up to date and even more recent polls in Virginia have Clinton leading by 4 to 12 points , your faith in the freak odd one out is weird .
    It is often said by the hard right on here "it will be hilarious if Trump wins because the Guardianistas etc".

    The reverse is of course true. Plato, Moniker and the rest of the white nationalist rampers will never be able to show their face again if Trump loses.

    The way a betting site has been turned into hard right ramping and poll cherry picking ground is sad. I can only assume that none of these people ever bet.
    1000% right. The way people see, and comment on those who aren't white and male at times as this weirdly different 'other', is pretty sad as well.
    What ARE you talking about. This is just about the only site where you can come, and announce yourself as Corbynite, BNP voter, feminazi, Thatcherite, Holocaust denier (within reason) Scot Nat, Cornish nationalist, terrible drunk, millionaire gay lawyer, quasi-Marxist, Nick Palmer ex MP, mad cat owner, Tory, shady businessman, insane train geek, and even ageing bald europhile Lib Dem, and you will be given a hearing, and a good discussion, until and unless you say something TRULY outrageous. Or you go on about Scottish subsamples.

    This is the most tolerant and generous of blogs. All can come and all can rant. And they really really do. I defy you to find a saner blog with a wider ranger of commenters.

    All of that is why I keep coming back. It's the polar opposite of the monochromatic echo chambers that proliferate elsewhere, populated by snowflakes (of all persuasions) afraid to engage with people with views that differ substantially from theirs..
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    tyson said:

    @Alanbrooke
    That's just dandy....those who believe in supernatural claptrap are going to populate the future...It's like a throwback to the dinosaurs...

    There are many people on this site who believe that Trump is a good thing....But on the great scheme of things that view has a damn site more credibility than people who believe in virgin births, people coming back from the dead , and those ridiculous Christian ceremonies that were inflicted me on as a child when we seemed to speak about shepherds, flocks and sheep.

    At least I can see Donald Trump....

    well if you reject your own community it;s hardly likely you'll understand someone elses

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