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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Three CON defences and a GREEN one – tonight’s local council by-elections

Abbey (Green defence) on Bath and North East Somerset Result of council at last election (2015): Conservatives 37, Liberal Democrats 15, Labour 6, Independents 5, Green Party 2 (Conservative majority of 9) Result of ward at last election (2015): Emboldened denotes elected Conservatives 1,158, 985 (30%) Green Party 1,071 (28%) Liberal Democrats 798, 741 (21%) Labour 639 (17%) Independent 148 (4%) EU Referendum Result: REMAIN 60,878 (58%), LEAVE 44,352 (42%) on a turnout of 77% Candidates duly nominated: Gerry Curran (Lib Dem), Vicky Drew (Lab), Lizzie Gladwyn (Con), Marc Hooper (UKIP), Jenny Knight (Ind), Vipul Patel (Green)

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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited November 2016
    Who will be the voice of the Misterons?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    Another terrrriiiibbblllleeeee night for the Conservatives? :p
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    FPT:

    @RobD I know, that's the change in views I'm talking about. A couple of years ago he was really right wing, and back then may well have supported Trump.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    things that don't matter part 953, "the Clinton machine".
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    FPT:

    @RobD I know, that's the change in views I'm talking about. A couple of years ago he was really right wing, and back then may well have supported Trump.

    He probably is still really right wing.
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    RobD said:

    FPT:

    @RobD I know, that's the change in views I'm talking about. A couple of years ago he was really right wing, and back then may well have supported Trump.

    He probably is still really right wing.
    Hmmm okay. Just seems that he's become a bit more moderate.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    nunu said:

    things that don't matter part 953, "the Clinton machine".

    It definitely mattered for primary and the internal party turf war that it caused, it just didn't matter for the general.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    RobD said:

    FPT:

    @RobD I know, that's the change in views I'm talking about. A couple of years ago he was really right wing, and back then may well have supported Trump.

    He probably is still really right wing.
    Hmmm okay. Just seems that he's become a bit more moderate.
    Or maybe because of Trump he seems more reasonable.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    MaxPB said:

    nunu said:

    things that don't matter part 953, "the Clinton machine".

    It definitely mattered for primary and the internal party turf war that it caused, it just didn't matter for the general.
    Maybe it did matter. Maybe it could have been worse.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,280
    Apart from Harborough, all tonight's elections take place in places with knife edge results last time, which will be interesting.
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,203
    Who wouldn't want to be the member for Misteron! Libs to take the BNES one, Welwyn is the interesting one though.
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    IcarusIcarus Posts: 898
    And when I stood in Misterton I was a good second for the Lib Dems!!
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    IcarusIcarus Posts: 898
    It is Misterton By the way not Misterton. Next to Lutterworth.
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    IcarusIcarus Posts: 898
    Should say Misterton not Misteron - in Spain with dodgy iPhone!!
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Icarus said:

    Should say Misterton not Misteron - in Spain with dodgy iPhone!!

    Keep the error. In this Trumpian post-truth, fake-news world who cares?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,381
    MaxPB said:
    Given automation and productivity, the difference between building a factory onshore in the US vs offshore is not that vast..

    The American political system rewards building physical facilities - http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/8/10937076/tesla-gigafactory-battery-factory-nevada-tax-deal-elon-musk
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    Cheers for the thread Harry
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Thanks Harry and also to Pulpster for last thread which I really enjoyed.




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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    Cheers for the thread Harry

    Seconded!
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    nunu said:

    things that don't matter part 953, "the Clinton machine".

    bit like the Labour ground game.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    This is going to make Plato so sad. The whole paid anti-Trump protesters thing thing she pushed so hard was based on a parody news article

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11/17/facebook-fake-news-writer-i-think-donald-trump-is-in-the-white-house-because-of-me/?tid=sm_tw
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    New poll (first since Trump / this month), Juppé would beat Le Pen by 5 points or 4 points in the first round, unchanged.

    Fillon surges to 22% but still trails Sarkozy 29% and Juppé 36%. Overtaking Sarkozy is the bigger challenge. The last debate is tomorrow.

    Le Pen remains far too strong, I would say the LR primary too complicated to call.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    MaxPB said:
    Assembled in the US, of course, as the A9, the flash, the screen, and all the other components will be fabricated in Asia.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    On the subject of phones, I'm very excited to receive my Mi Mix in the coming days...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987

    New poll (first since Trump / this month), Juppé would beat Le Pen by 5 points or 4 points in the first round, unchanged.

    Fillon surges to 22% but still trails Sarkozy 29% and Juppé 36%. Overtaking Sarkozy is the bigger challenge. The last debate is tomorrow.

    Le Pen remains far too strong, I would say the LR primary too complicated to call.

    I think Sarkozy just edges Juppe in the first round, 35 to 33, but loses the second 60:40.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    Someone has been busy with photoshop....
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Icarus said:

    And when I stood in Misterton I was a good second for the Lib Dems!!

    I remember that and your comment at the time that your wife threatened you with divorce if you won .
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,932
    I have just spent 24 hours in Richmond Park. Some observations:
    in many parts of the constituency you would not know there was a by election taking place
    but there are exceptions - Petersham Rd has a fine array of posters
    in terms of stakeboards the Lib Dems are leading Zac by 10 to 1 but window posters are more even
    Labour has opened an office about 50 yards from the Lib Dem HQ - it has 4 desks visible with computers but only two people in attendance
    Zac is holding meetings in pubs - this morning in the Coach and Horses in Kew with about 30 mostly elderly people in attendance
    I drove past a blue plaque in honour of Richard Dimbleby
    Sarah Olney had a photo op at the London Wetlands Centre
    No idea who is going to win.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''This'll go down well. ''

    Its enough to make you go,
    Fully WTO....
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited November 2016

    New poll (first since Trump / this month), Juppé would beat Le Pen by 5 points or 4 points in the first round, unchanged.

    Fillon surges to 22% but still trails Sarkozy 29% and Juppé 36%. Overtaking Sarkozy is the bigger challenge. The last debate is tomorrow.

    Le Pen remains far too strong, I would say the LR primary too complicated to call.

    There's also two others, one I posted earlier;

    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/16112016_bfmtv_lopinion_les-intentions-de-vote-a-la-primaire-de-la-droite-et-du-centre.pdf

    and a new one from Ifop;

    http://www.ifop.fr/media/poll/3560-1-study_file.pdf

    It has Juppe 31, Sarko 30, Fillon 27...

    But the real big question is that this is an open primary, which is new, and the polling is predicated on Left and Centrist voters also turning out for this innovation. But looking at the breakdown by party affiliation Sarko could still win the runoff with either of the other candidates if mostly just Republicans and FN turn up to vote.
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    rcs1000 said:

    New poll (first since Trump / this month), Juppé would beat Le Pen by 5 points or 4 points in the first round, unchanged.

    Fillon surges to 22% but still trails Sarkozy 29% and Juppé 36%. Overtaking Sarkozy is the bigger challenge. The last debate is tomorrow.

    Le Pen remains far too strong, I would say the LR primary too complicated to call.

    I think Sarkozy just edges Juppe in the first round, 35 to 33, but loses the second 60:40.
    Would be consistent with more right / less left wing turnout on Sunday
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited November 2016
    The Swedes meanwhile:

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sweden-finmin-interview-idUKKBN13C276?il=0

    Britain is Sweden's fourth biggest trading partner and Andersson said that the Nordic country wanted to have "as soft a Brexit as possible".

    "From our point of view, the softer Brexit is, the better. But at the same time there cannot be any 'cherry picking'," she said.

    With negotiations yet to start Andersson said it was tough to say what Britain's eventual exit from the European Union would look like. It is still unknown whether Britain will be able to maintain anything like the free trading position it currently enjoys with the bloc.

    "A soft or hard Brexit sounds very black or white," she said. "But there is a big grey area in between and it is clear that's where we will end up."
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,060
    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of phones, I'm very excited to receive my Mi Mix in the coming days...

    Do you have a huge gadget museum at home or do you eventually give them away or sell them?
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    I think 'bitchy' is the preferred snowflake term..
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    New poll (first since Trump / this month), Juppé would beat Le Pen by 5 points or 4 points in the first round, unchanged.

    Fillon surges to 22% but still trails Sarkozy 29% and Juppé 36%. Overtaking Sarkozy is the bigger challenge. The last debate is tomorrow.

    Le Pen remains far too strong, I would say the LR primary too complicated to call.

    There's also two others, one I posted earlier;

    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/16112016_bfmtv_lopinion_les-intentions-de-vote-a-la-primaire-de-la-droite-et-du-centre.pdf

    and a new one from Ifop;

    http://www.ifop.fr/media/poll/3560-1-study_file.pdf

    It has Juppe 31, Sarko 30, Fillon 27...

    But the real big question is that this is an open primary, which is new, and the polling is predicated on Left and Centrist voters also turning out for this innovation. But looking at the breakdown by partu affiliation Sarko could still win the runoff with either of the other candidates if mostly just Republicans and FN turn up to vote.
    Having gone long on Juppé, very very out on Le Pen, and pretty poor on Fillon & Sarko I am nervous, I'll admit. Going to keep a close eye on Sunday, although I don't know the timetable.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    I think 'bitchy' is the preferred snowflake term..
    Used by one person, and I think we all agreed it was very wrong to describe that racist slur as 'bitchy'.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    "A soft or hard Brexit sounds very black or white," she said. "But there is a big grey area in between and it is clear that's where we will end up."

    After all these comments I am actually starting to feel sorry for Theresa May...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    slade said:

    I have just spent 24 hours in Richmond Park. Some observations:
    in many parts of the constituency you would not know there was a by election taking place
    but there are exceptions - Petersham Rd has a fine array of posters
    in terms of stakeboards the Lib Dems are leading Zac by 10 to 1 but window posters are more even
    Labour has opened an office about 50 yards from the Lib Dem HQ - it has 4 desks visible with computers but only two people in attendance
    Zac is holding meetings in pubs - this morning in the Coach and Horses in Kew with about 30 mostly elderly people in attendance
    I drove past a blue plaque in honour of Richard Dimbleby
    Sarah Olney had a photo op at the London Wetlands Centre
    No idea who is going to win.

    One of my colleagues is a labour member and has been helping the LibDems in Richmond. They reckon it'll be Zac by 2,000 votes
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    RobD said:
    Hard to enforce given that if we don't like the terms we just drop out after two years...
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024


    Vermont certifies its results: Clinton 178,573 (56.7%), Trump 95,369 (30.3%), Sanders (W/I) 18,183 (5.7%) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/edit#gid=19

    Retweets
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    Scott_P said:
    Ridiculing? Let's see what he actually said:

    Boris Johnson fired up a large crowd in Hyde Park, saying: "There's a guy called Mitt Romney who wants to know whether we're ready. Are we ready?"
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:
    Hard to enforce given that if we don't like the terms we just drop out after two years...
    They are probably just annoyed that they'll be contributing even more after we leave ;)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Scott_P said:
    So everyone is considered as Secretary of State, they just pass for an audition from Trump Tower like in a reality show.
    Trump has made his transition team look like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o11T8_eALKE
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    taffys said:

    "A soft or hard Brexit sounds very black or white," she said. "But there is a big grey area in between and it is clear that's where we will end up."

    After all these comments I am actually starting to feel sorry for Theresa May...

    We'll end up with some restriction on freedom of trade along with some restriction on freedom of movement. We will retain some free trade and some free movement.

    The bottom line expectation on trade has been lifted from WTO to Canada in my view, while Merkel's comments the other day about workers needing to independently fund their families hints at re-writing the meaning of FoM so that there is less movement.

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,060
    Scott_P said:

    Breaking: Mitt Romney in discussions to be US Secretary of State.

    The fact that Trump is even considering Mitt Romney tells you something about how much of his act is just theatrics.
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:
    Hard to enforce given that if we don't like the terms we just drop out after two years...
    Dropping out doesn't wipe out the reste a liquider.
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    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Ridiculing? Let's see what he actually said:

    Boris Johnson fired up a large crowd in Hyde Park, saying: "There's a guy called Mitt Romney who wants to know whether we're ready. Are we ready?"
    I think you have to be a bit thick skinned to be a losing presidential candidate then secretary of state!

    Like Clinton in reverse
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    edited November 2016

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/799351049932992512

    Ridiculing? Let's see what he actually said:

    Boris Johnson fired up a large crowd in Hyde Park, saying: "There's a guy called Mitt Romney who wants to know whether we're ready. Are we ready?"
    I think you have to be a bit thick skinned to be a losing presidential candidate then secretary of state!

    Like Clinton in reverse
    If he does become Secretary of State, I suspect they will mend their fences. Romney was clearly proven wrong on this matter anyway.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    Wow, Cathy Newman was awful on C4 news tonight. Breitbart journos are wiping the floor with the British traditional media today....
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    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of phones, I'm very excited to receive my Mi Mix in the coming days...

    I thought the OnePlus 3 was the best thing since sliced bread?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,060
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/799351049932992512

    Ridiculing? Let's see what he actually said:

    Boris Johnson fired up a large crowd in Hyde Park, saying: "There's a guy called Mitt Romney who wants to know whether we're ready. Are we ready?"
    I think you have to be a bit thick skinned to be a losing presidential candidate then secretary of state!

    Like Clinton in reverse
    If he does become Secretary of State, I suspect they will mend their fences. Romney was clearly proven wrong on this matter anyway.
    I can't imagine Romney as a diplomat to be honest. Trump needs to find a latter-day Kissinger from somewhere.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited November 2016
    The Donald draining the swamp by hiring erhhhh head of RNC, Mitt Romney...

    Anynody think we have been played like a reality TV show...
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:
    Hard to enforce given that if we don't like the terms we just drop out after two years...
    It will be intriguing to see how the EU27 react to the extra bills they will be facing in the absence of the UK's contribution to it's social fund, employee pensions etc etc.

    As a net contributor, our absence either means they get a bigger bill, or the EU does less.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:
    Hard to enforce given that if we don't like the terms we just drop out after two years...
    They are probably just annoyed that they'll be contributing even more after we leave ;)
    I suspect they won't; I expect we'll get almost exactly what we want (no ECJ in domestic law, passporting, limits on migration) except it will come with a stonking great bill. (Which will be partly paid for by a special Global Financial Institutions Levy.)
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/799351049932992512

    Ridiculing? Let's see what he actually said:

    Boris Johnson fired up a large crowd in Hyde Park, saying: "There's a guy called Mitt Romney who wants to know whether we're ready. Are we ready?"
    I think you have to be a bit thick skinned to be a losing presidential candidate then secretary of state!

    Like Clinton in reverse
    If he does become Secretary of State, I suspect they will mend their fences. Romney was clearly proven wrong on this matter anyway.
    I hate this constant insulation that everyone is politics must be completely offended because they are the butt of some joke. Even though they frequent laugh. Osborne wore a reflective jacket, Obama played the lion king, etc.

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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/799351049932992512

    Ridiculing? Let's see what he actually said:

    Boris Johnson fired up a large crowd in Hyde Park, saying: "There's a guy called Mitt Romney who wants to know whether we're ready. Are we ready?"
    I think you have to be a bit thick skinned to be a losing presidential candidate then secretary of state!

    Like Clinton in reverse
    If he does become Secretary of State, I suspect they will mend their fences. Romney was clearly proven wrong on this matter anyway.
    And Romney got the Lewes Bonfire treatment:

    http://tinyurl.com/gsmjx7v
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    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:
    Hard to enforce given that if we don't like the terms we just drop out after two years...
    They are probably just annoyed that they'll be contributing even more after we leave ;)
    I suspect they won't; I expect we'll get almost exactly what we want (no ECJ in domestic law, passporting, limits on migration) except it will come with a stonking great bill. (Which will be partly paid for by a special Global Financial Institutions Levy.)
    As a deal, it would work for the UK.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    No risk of war, that was just a Remain Project Fear scam.

    Apparently.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:
    Hard to enforce given that if we don't like the terms we just drop out after two years...
    They are probably just annoyed that they'll be contributing even more after we leave ;)
    I suspect they won't; I expect we'll get almost exactly what we want (no ECJ in domestic law, passporting, limits on migration) except it will come with a stonking great bill. (Which will be partly paid for by a special Global Financial Institutions Levy.)
    If it's less than our current contributions, probably a net gain!
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of phones, I'm very excited to receive my Mi Mix in the coming days...

    Do you have a huge gadget museum at home or do you eventually give them away or sell them?
    Britain's national mobile phone charger collection. Set next to the ZX81 wobbly RAM pack display....
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    rcs1000 said:

    slade said:

    I have just spent 24 hours in Richmond Park. Some observations:
    in many parts of the constituency you would not know there was a by election taking place
    but there are exceptions - Petersham Rd has a fine array of posters
    in terms of stakeboards the Lib Dems are leading Zac by 10 to 1 but window posters are more even
    Labour has opened an office about 50 yards from the Lib Dem HQ - it has 4 desks visible with computers but only two people in attendance
    Zac is holding meetings in pubs - this morning in the Coach and Horses in Kew with about 30 mostly elderly people in attendance
    I drove past a blue plaque in honour of Richard Dimbleby
    Sarah Olney had a photo op at the London Wetlands Centre
    No idea who is going to win.

    One of my colleagues is a labour member and has been helping the LibDems in Richmond. They reckon it'll be Zac by 2,000 votes
    Given the usual state of LD expectation management, probably Zac by 5-6k then... :)
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    As boris insults go that has to be the least offensive....
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Ridiculing? Let's see what he actually said:

    Boris Johnson fired up a large crowd in Hyde Park, saying: "There's a guy called Mitt Romney who wants to know whether we're ready. Are we ready?"
    You don't think Scott read or considered it do you? No different to Plato and spam posting on speed.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    New poll (first since Trump / this month), Juppé would beat Le Pen by 5 points or 4 points in the first round, unchanged.

    Fillon surges to 22% but still trails Sarkozy 29% and Juppé 36%. Overtaking Sarkozy is the bigger challenge. The last debate is tomorrow.

    Le Pen remains far too strong, I would say the LR primary too complicated to call.

    There's also two others, one I posted earlier;

    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/16112016_bfmtv_lopinion_les-intentions-de-vote-a-la-primaire-de-la-droite-et-du-centre.pdf

    and a new one from Ifop;

    http://www.ifop.fr/media/poll/3560-1-study_file.pdf

    It has Juppe 31, Sarko 30, Fillon 27...

    But the real big question is that this is an open primary, which is new, and the polling is predicated on Left and Centrist voters also turning out for this innovation. But looking at the breakdown by partu affiliation Sarko could still win the runoff with either of the other candidates if mostly just Republicans and FN turn up to vote.
    Having gone long on Juppé, very very out on Le Pen, and pretty poor on Fillon & Sarko I am nervous, I'll admit. Going to keep a close eye on Sunday, although I don't know the timetable.
    Personally I see a it quite possible, even likely, Sarkozy will win on Sunday. The question for me is whether that motivates or disuades his opponents, especially as it will be a bit of a surpise after Juppe leading for so long.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    The Donald draining the swamp by hiring erhhhh head of RNC, Mitt Romney...

    Anynody think we have been played like a reality TV show...

    According to "source" Romney, Halley, Bolton, Giuliani, Corker, and a GOP congressman who's name begins with H are all considered to be Secretary of State.

    My bet is the next rumour from "source" will be Jeb.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,060
    A nice image of Merkel and Obama.

    image
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    matt said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/799351049932992512

    Ridiculing? Let's see what he actually said:

    Boris Johnson fired up a large crowd in Hyde Park, saying: "There's a guy called Mitt Romney who wants to know whether we're ready. Are we ready?"
    You don't think Scott read or considered it do you? No different to Plato and spam posting on speed.
    I think that better describes 619. ;) To be fair to Scott, most of the tweets he links are actually interesting/relevant.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:
    Hard to enforce given that if we don't like the terms we just drop out after two years...
    They are probably just annoyed that they'll be contributing even more after we leave ;)
    I suspect they won't; I expect we'll get almost exactly what we want (no ECJ in domestic law, passporting, limits on migration) except it will come with a stonking great bill. (Which will be partly paid for by a special Global Financial Institutions Levy.)
    Sounds ideal.

    Forgive my ingnorance, but would the UK Govt be able to levy a global tax?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987

    New poll (first since Trump / this month), Juppé would beat Le Pen by 5 points or 4 points in the first round, unchanged.

    Fillon surges to 22% but still trails Sarkozy 29% and Juppé 36%. Overtaking Sarkozy is the bigger challenge. The last debate is tomorrow.

    Le Pen remains far too strong, I would say the LR primary too complicated to call.

    There's also two others, one I posted earlier;

    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/16112016_bfmtv_lopinion_les-intentions-de-vote-a-la-primaire-de-la-droite-et-du-centre.pdf

    and a new one from Ifop;

    http://www.ifop.fr/media/poll/3560-1-study_file.pdf

    It has Juppe 31, Sarko 30, Fillon 27...

    But the real big question is that this is an open primary, which is new, and the polling is predicated on Left and Centrist voters also turning out for this innovation. But looking at the breakdown by partu affiliation Sarko could still win the runoff with either of the other candidates if mostly just Republicans and FN turn up to vote.
    Having gone long on Juppé, very very out on Le Pen, and pretty poor on Fillon & Sarko I am nervous, I'll admit. Going to keep a close eye on Sunday, although I don't know the timetable.
    Personally I see a it quite possible, even likely, Sarkozy will win on Sunday. The question for me is whether that motivates or disuades his opponents, especially as it will be a bit of a surpise after Juppe leading for so long.
    The problem Sarkozy has is that this if a two round election (assuming he doesn't break 50%), and almost all Fillon's vote goes to Juppe in the second round, and vice versa.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    RobD said:

    matt said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/799351049932992512

    Ridiculing? Let's see what he actually said:

    Boris Johnson fired up a large crowd in Hyde Park, saying: "There's a guy called Mitt Romney who wants to know whether we're ready. Are we ready?"
    You don't think Scott read or considered it do you? No different to Plato and spam posting on speed.
    I think that better describes 619. ;) To be fair to Scott, most of the tweets he links are actually interesting/relevant.
    Yes, partially unfair. You're making me feel guilty.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    slade said:

    I have just spent 24 hours in Richmond Park. Some observations:
    in many parts of the constituency you would not know there was a by election taking place
    but there are exceptions - Petersham Rd has a fine array of posters
    in terms of stakeboards the Lib Dems are leading Zac by 10 to 1 but window posters are more even
    Labour has opened an office about 50 yards from the Lib Dem HQ - it has 4 desks visible with computers but only two people in attendance
    Zac is holding meetings in pubs - this morning in the Coach and Horses in Kew with about 30 mostly elderly people in attendance
    I drove past a blue plaque in honour of Richard Dimbleby
    Sarah Olney had a photo op at the London Wetlands Centre
    No idea who is going to win.

    One of my colleagues is a labour member and has been helping the LibDems in Richmond. They reckon it'll be Zac by 2,000 votes
    Given the usual state of LD expectation management, probably Zac by 5-6k then... :)
    Said person is a very pro-EU labour-ite. I have no idea if their call is accurate.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:
    Hard to enforce given that if we don't like the terms we just drop out after two years...
    They are probably just annoyed that they'll be contributing even more after we leave ;)
    I suspect they won't; I expect we'll get almost exactly what we want (no ECJ in domestic law, passporting, limits on migration) except it will come with a stonking great bill. (Which will be partly paid for by a special Global Financial Institutions Levy.)
    Sounds ideal.

    Forgive my ingnorance, but would the UK Govt be able to levy a global tax?
    Levy or enforce?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of phones, I'm very excited to receive my Mi Mix in the coming days...

    I thought the OnePlus 3 was the best thing since sliced bread?
    But only the best thing until the Mi Mix
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    rcs1000 said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    slade said:

    I have just spent 24 hours in Richmond Park. Some observations:
    in many parts of the constituency you would not know there was a by election taking place
    but there are exceptions - Petersham Rd has a fine array of posters
    in terms of stakeboards the Lib Dems are leading Zac by 10 to 1 but window posters are more even
    Labour has opened an office about 50 yards from the Lib Dem HQ - it has 4 desks visible with computers but only two people in attendance
    Zac is holding meetings in pubs - this morning in the Coach and Horses in Kew with about 30 mostly elderly people in attendance
    I drove past a blue plaque in honour of Richard Dimbleby
    Sarah Olney had a photo op at the London Wetlands Centre
    No idea who is going to win.

    One of my colleagues is a labour member and has been helping the LibDems in Richmond. They reckon it'll be Zac by 2,000 votes
    Given the usual state of LD expectation management, probably Zac by 5-6k then... :)
    Said person is a very pro-EU labour-ite. I have no idea if their call is accurate.
    It's important though that he has conceded.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    matt said:

    RobD said:

    matt said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/799351049932992512

    Ridiculing? Let's see what he actually said:

    Boris Johnson fired up a large crowd in Hyde Park, saying: "There's a guy called Mitt Romney who wants to know whether we're ready. Are we ready?"
    You don't think Scott read or considered it do you? No different to Plato and spam posting on speed.
    I think that better describes 619. ;) To be fair to Scott, most of the tweets he links are actually interesting/relevant.
    Yes, partially unfair. You're making me feel guilty.
    Your ire should be focussed on Sam Coates, who clearly exaggerated in his tweet!
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:
    Hard to enforce given that if we don't like the terms we just drop out after two years...
    They are probably just annoyed that they'll be contributing even more after we leave ;)
    I suspect they won't; I expect we'll get almost exactly what we want (no ECJ in domestic law, passporting, limits on migration) except it will come with a stonking great bill. (Which will be partly paid for by a special Global Financial Institutions Levy.)
    If it's less than our current contributions, probably a net gain!
    I'd bet on it being less than our gross, but more than our net, which means everyone gets to claim a victory.
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    A nice image of Merkel and Obama.

    image

    I wonder what they will tell Paddy McGuiness about their experience?
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    A nice image of Merkel and Obama.

    image


    Obama: So my job's being taken over by a man with the brains of a sausage.

    Merkel: I know, it's just the wurst.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    A nice image of Merkel and Obama.

    image


    Obama: So my job's being taken over by a man with the brains of a sausage.

    Merkel: I know, it's just the wurst.

    OK, I did laugh out loud a little when I read this.

    I should be ashamed.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:
    Hard to enforce given that if we don't like the terms we just drop out after two years...
    They are probably just annoyed that they'll be contributing even more after we leave ;)
    I suspect they won't; I expect we'll get almost exactly what we want (no ECJ in domestic law, passporting, limits on migration) except it will come with a stonking great bill. (Which will be partly paid for by a special Global Financial Institutions Levy.)
    Sounds ideal.

    Forgive my ingnorance, but would the UK Govt be able to levy a global tax?
    It would be levied on firms in London. The name was my own invention.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    rcs1000 said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    slade said:

    I have just spent 24 hours in Richmond Park. Some observations:
    in many parts of the constituency you would not know there was a by election taking place
    but there are exceptions - Petersham Rd has a fine array of posters
    in terms of stakeboards the Lib Dems are leading Zac by 10 to 1 but window posters are more even
    Labour has opened an office about 50 yards from the Lib Dem HQ - it has 4 desks visible with computers but only two people in attendance
    Zac is holding meetings in pubs - this morning in the Coach and Horses in Kew with about 30 mostly elderly people in attendance
    I drove past a blue plaque in honour of Richard Dimbleby
    Sarah Olney had a photo op at the London Wetlands Centre
    No idea who is going to win.

    One of my colleagues is a labour member and has been helping the LibDems in Richmond. They reckon it'll be Zac by 2,000 votes
    Given the usual state of LD expectation management, probably Zac by 5-6k then... :)
    Said person is a very pro-EU labour-ite. I have no idea if their call is accurate.
    Sounds like a good fit to judge likely results in RP. Thanks for sharing.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    edited November 2016
    Speedy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    slade said:

    I have just spent 24 hours in Richmond Park. Some observations:
    in many parts of the constituency you would not know there was a by election taking place
    but there are exceptions - Petersham Rd has a fine array of posters
    in terms of stakeboards the Lib Dems are leading Zac by 10 to 1 but window posters are more even
    Labour has opened an office about 50 yards from the Lib Dem HQ - it has 4 desks visible with computers but only two people in attendance
    Zac is holding meetings in pubs - this morning in the Coach and Horses in Kew with about 30 mostly elderly people in attendance
    I drove past a blue plaque in honour of Richard Dimbleby
    Sarah Olney had a photo op at the London Wetlands Centre
    No idea who is going to win.

    One of my colleagues is a labour member and has been helping the LibDems in Richmond. They reckon it'll be Zac by 2,000 votes
    Given the usual state of LD expectation management, probably Zac by 5-6k then... :)
    Said person is a very pro-EU labour-ite. I have no idea if their call is accurate.
    It's important though that he has conceded.
    Like Trump and Farage :)

    Seriously, said person is nowhere near any position of power in the campaign. Delivering leaflets and knocking on a few doors is about as close as they get.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    rcs1000 said:

    New poll (first since Trump / this month), Juppé would beat Le Pen by 5 points or 4 points in the first round, unchanged.

    Fillon surges to 22% but still trails Sarkozy 29% and Juppé 36%. Overtaking Sarkozy is the bigger challenge. The last debate is tomorrow.

    Le Pen remains far too strong, I would say the LR primary too complicated to call.

    There's also two others, one I posted earlier;

    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/16112016_bfmtv_lopinion_les-intentions-de-vote-a-la-primaire-de-la-droite-et-du-centre.pdf

    and a new one from Ifop;

    http://www.ifop.fr/media/poll/3560-1-study_file.pdf

    It has Juppe 31, Sarko 30, Fillon 27...

    But the real big question is that this is an open primary, which is new, and the polling is predicated on Left and Centrist voters also turning out for this innovation. But looking at the breakdown by partu affiliation Sarko could still win the runoff with either of the other candidates if mostly just Republicans and FN turn up to vote.
    Having gone long on Juppé, very very out on Le Pen, and pretty poor on Fillon & Sarko I am nervous, I'll admit. Going to keep a close eye on Sunday, although I don't know the timetable.
    Personally I see a it quite possible, even likely, Sarkozy will win on Sunday. The question for me is whether that motivates or disuades his opponents, especially as it will be a bit of a surpise after Juppe leading for so long.
    The problem Sarkozy has is that this if a two round election (assuming he doesn't break 50%), and almost all Fillon's vote goes to Juppe in the second round, and vice versa.
    Will they? Look at the partisan breakdown in those polls. Yes Centrist Fillon voters may break heavily for Juppe, but I doubt Juppe will get all the Republican and FN Fillon vote.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited November 2016
    I think the Harborough Lib Dems may need some help from Captain Scarlett to deal with the Misterons. Should get a positive swing thoug, looking at last times result.

    The local issue is windfarms, but Harborough Council is pretty unremarkeable otherwise. The villages here are well situated for commuting to either Leicester or further afield.

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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,711
    MaxPB said:
    Motorola made a big play of producing phones in the US only for the whole company to be sold to the Chinese a couple of years later.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    rcs1000 said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:
    Hard to enforce given that if we don't like the terms we just drop out after two years...
    They are probably just annoyed that they'll be contributing even more after we leave ;)
    I suspect they won't; I expect we'll get almost exactly what we want (no ECJ in domestic law, passporting, limits on migration) except it will come with a stonking great bill. (Which will be partly paid for by a special Global Financial Institutions Levy.)
    Sounds ideal.

    Forgive my ingnorance, but would the UK Govt be able to levy a global tax?
    It would be levied on firms in London. The name was my own invention.
    Makes more sense. European Banking Levy might be a bit more politically appealling...
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    PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    I can understand the EU trying to charge a bank for access to their market - but why do you think the tax payer will pay it for them?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987

    rcs1000 said:

    New poll (first since Trump / this month), Juppé would beat Le Pen by 5 points or 4 points in the first round, unchanged.

    Fillon surges to 22% but still trails Sarkozy 29% and Juppé 36%. Overtaking Sarkozy is the bigger challenge. The last debate is tomorrow.

    Le Pen remains far too strong, I would say the LR primary too complicated to call.

    There's also two others, one I posted earlier;

    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/16112016_bfmtv_lopinion_les-intentions-de-vote-a-la-primaire-de-la-droite-et-du-centre.pdf

    and a new one from Ifop;

    http://www.ifop.fr/media/poll/3560-1-study_file.pdf

    It has Juppe 31, Sarko 30, Fillon 27...

    But the real big question is that this is an open primary, which is new, and the polling is predicated on Left and Centrist voters also turning out for this innovation. But looking at the breakdown by partu affiliation Sarko could still win the runoff with either of the other candidates if mostly just Republicans and FN turn up to vote.
    Having gone long on Juppé, very very out on Le Pen, and pretty poor on Fillon & Sarko I am nervous, I'll admit. Going to keep a close eye on Sunday, although I don't know the timetable.
    Personally I see a it quite possible, even likely, Sarkozy will win on Sunday. The question for me is whether that motivates or disuades his opponents, especially as it will be a bit of a surpise after Juppe leading for so long.
    The problem Sarkozy has is that this if a two round election (assuming he doesn't break 50%), and almost all Fillon's vote goes to Juppe in the second round, and vice versa.
    Will they? Look at the partisan breakdown in those polls. Yes Centrist Fillon voters may break heavily for Juppe, but I doubt Juppe will get all the Republican and FN Fillon vote.
    There has been no shortage of polling on the second round. See the Wikipedia page on the primaries. They show Juppe jumping 20-25% between round one and two, and Sarkozy adding about 10%.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited November 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    New poll (first since Trump / this month), Juppé would beat Le Pen by 5 points or 4 points in the first round, unchanged.

    Fillon surges to 22% but still trails Sarkozy 29% and Juppé 36%. Overtaking Sarkozy is the bigger challenge. The last debate is tomorrow.

    Le Pen remains far too strong, I would say the LR primary too complicated to call.

    There's also two others, one I posted earlier;

    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/16112016_bfmtv_lopinion_les-intentions-de-vote-a-la-primaire-de-la-droite-et-du-centre.pdf

    and a new one from Ifop;

    http://www.ifop.fr/media/poll/3560-1-study_file.pdf

    It has Juppe 31, Sarko 30, Fillon 27...

    But the real big question is that this is an open primary, which is new, and the polling is predicated on Left and Centrist voters also turning out for this innovation. But looking at the breakdown by partu affiliation Sarko could still win the runoff with either of the other candidates if mostly just Republicans and FN turn up to vote.
    Having gone long on Juppé, very very out on Le Pen, and pretty poor on Fillon & Sarko I am nervous, I'll admit. Going to keep a close eye on Sunday, although I don't know the timetable.
    Personally I see a it quite possible, even likely, Sarkozy will win on Sunday. The question for me is whether that motivates or disuades his opponents, especially as it will be a bit of a surpise after Juppe leading for so long.
    The problem Sarkozy has is that this if a two round election (assuming he doesn't break 50%), and almost all Fillon's vote goes to Juppe in the second round, and vice versa.
    Will they? Look at the partisan breakdown in those polls. Yes Centrist Fillon voters may break heavily for Juppe, but I doubt Juppe will get all the Republican and FN Fillon vote.
    There has been no shortage of polling on the second round. See the Wikipedia page on the primaries. They show Juppe jumping 20-25% between round one and two, and Sarkozy adding about 10%.
    But that's because most of these polls assume a fair chunk of the vote will come from Centrists, this is why Juppe needs a good turnout. Not sure he'll get it based on the numbers saying they are likely to vote.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    PAW said:

    I can understand the EU trying to charge a bank for access to their market - but why do you think the tax payer will pay it for them?

    The point is that if we (the Uk) have to pay to stay in the single market for financial services, then it makes most sense for the beneficiaries of that to pick up at least some of the bill.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    PAW said:

    I can understand the EU trying to charge a bank for access to their market - but why do you think the tax payer will pay it for them?

    In effect that is what RCS1000 means, a fee paid by banks collected by the government.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    New poll (first since Trump / this month), Juppé would beat Le Pen by 5 points or 4 points in the first round, unchanged.

    Fillon surges to 22% but still trails Sarkozy 29% and Juppé 36%. Overtaking Sarkozy is the bigger challenge. The last debate is tomorrow.

    Le Pen remains far too strong, I would say the LR primary too complicated to call.

    There's also two others, one I posted earlier;

    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/16112016_bfmtv_lopinion_les-intentions-de-vote-a-la-primaire-de-la-droite-et-du-centre.pdf

    and a new one from Ifop;

    http://www.ifop.fr/media/poll/3560-1-study_file.pdf

    It has Juppe 31, Sarko 30, Fillon 27...

    But the real big question is that this is an open primary, which is new, and the polling is predicated on Left and Centrist voters also turning out for this innovation. But looking at the breakdown by partu affiliation Sarko could still win the runoff with either of the other candidates if mostly just Republicans and FN turn up to vote.
    Having gone long on Juppé, very very out on Le Pen, and pretty poor on Fillon & Sarko I am nervous, I'll admit. Going to keep a close eye on Sunday, although I don't know the timetable.
    Personally I see a it quite possible, even likely, Sarkozy will win on Sunday. The question for me is whether that motivates or disuades his opponents, especially as it will be a bit of a surpise after Juppe leading for so long.
    The problem Sarkozy has is that this if a two round election (assuming he doesn't break 50%), and almost all Fillon's vote goes to Juppe in the second round, and vice versa.
    Will they? Look at the partisan breakdown in those polls. Yes Centrist Fillon voters may break heavily for Juppe, but I doubt Juppe will get all the Republican and FN Fillon vote.
    There has been no shortage of polling on the second round. See the Wikipedia page on the primaries. They show Juppe jumping 20-25% between round one and two, and Sarkozy adding about 10%.
    But that's because most of these polls assume a fair chunk of the vote will come from Centrists, this is why Juppe needs a good turnout. Not sure he'll get it.
    I agree, and that's why I assume that Sarkozy will outperform and Juppe underperform in the first round. But unless Fillon's supporters stay at home in the second round, then Juppe (unless the polls are completely wrong, which is always possible) should pick up more than Sarkozy.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    rcs1000 said:

    PAW said:

    I can understand the EU trying to charge a bank for access to their market - but why do you think the tax payer will pay it for them?

    The point is that if we (the Uk) have to pay to stay in the single market for financial services, then it makes most sense for the beneficiaries of that to pick up at least some of the bill.
    When I read sensible posts like this I first check I am on PB, then look forward to the RCS govt...
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:
    Hard to enforce given that if we don't like the terms we just drop out after two years...
    They are probably just annoyed that they'll be contributing even more after we leave ;)
    I suspect they won't; I expect we'll get almost exactly what we want (no ECJ in domestic law, passporting, limits on migration) except it will come with a stonking great bill. (Which will be partly paid for by a special Global Financial Institutions Levy.)
    Sounds ideal.

    Forgive my ingnorance, but would the UK Govt be able to levy a global tax?
    It could be tried, but I don't know how many would pay it. I think Robert is probably referring to an extension of the existing bank levy.
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