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politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The LD demand for a 2nd referendum could have the same potency as its 2003 stance of total opposition to the invasion of Iraq
We all remember how in late 2002 and 2003 that the IDS-led Tories gave their backing to Blair’s invasion of Iraq. The Charles Kennedy-led LDs were the only national party to oppose and this stance stance helped them to their best ever performance at GE2005.
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Umm..? [now corrected]
I am one of those who votes Lib Dems in local elections who would drop them in a heartbeat if they tried to stop our exit.
Seems Lib Dems only a fan of democracy when the votes go their way.
Whatever happened to respecting the will of the people? (oh, just another broken promise to add to the tally).
No wonder they are such fans of the EU project.
Our country is poorly served by it's political parties right now.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/18/brexit-row-keir-starmer-john-mcdonnell-threatens-labour-truce
Here's my article. Trump implosion!! Seems a long time ago.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/09/joff-wild-says-keep-an-eye-on-keir/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/18/pro-eu-peer-lord-kerr-says-uk-needs-migration-because-britons-ar/
http://news.sky.com/story/vw-cuts-30000-jobs-in-emission-scandal-cost-saving-plan-10661335
The other problem for this strategy is that it could end up like Dave's cast iron guarantee over Lisbon. The option to deliver a second referendum may not exist after 2020, even if the Lib Dems find themselves in a coalition government on the back of the pledge the whole process of leaving the EU is going to be done by then.
However, the main issue is that the Lib Dems are selling a false prospectus, a second referendum had the option of "yes to the government deal" or "WTO". I personally think we may need to have it anyway, but the Lib Dems are being very dishonest by pretending that any second referendum could have the government deal vs back into the EU. EU membership won't be on the ballot, which means any short term gain for the Lib Dems will be undone when people see how dishonest the policy is, and this just feeds into how little people trust the Lib Dems.
All comments this morning on the debate are mentioning the two polls showing Fillon as the most convincing.
All this love for Fillon from media could begin to get annonying for people that started to support him as an outside compared to the big two (Juppe and Sarkozy). Everybody expects à very tight result on Sunday.
Close to all.
But the other thing is what would be the result of such a stunt? The Lib Dems make a temporary improvement based on something that won't happen, the Tories win a landslide and Farron does the whole Canute thing. I don't really see the point. All you end up with is a wholly false recovery for the Lib Dems, ruin Labour and give the Tories ANOTHER ten years. How long does the opposition intend to give the Tories a free run for? Even as a Tory, I think we need opposition that means something at some point in the next decade.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/17/trump-just-took-credit-for-stopping-ford-from-moving-a-plant-to-mexico-but-it-was-planning-to/
If he was not serious. And considers himself unbound. He is dangerous.
Conclusion, batten down the hatches.
Incidentally, Amazon doesn't allow review prior to release, but Goodreads does. Might be of interest to those unsure of getting Kingdom Asunder:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32852394-kingdom-asunder
Donald Trump has held talks with Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe - the US President-elect's first face-to-face meeting with a foreign leader.
http://news.sky.com/story/japanese-pm-shinzo-abe-first-foreign-leader-to-meet-donald-trump-10660158
I do ..... it won't! Although I'd have to say that the Yellow Team are comfortably ahead in terms of the number of supportive signs and posters on display in their driveways/front gardens/porches, etc. which is always a sure sign of effective organisational support by the local party. Plus of course they will benefit from a majority of those who would otherwise vote Labour, so it could be reasonably close, reducing Zac's majority to perhaps < 5,000.
http://brilliantmaps.com/did-not-vote/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/17/trump-camp-denies-muslim-ban-registry
But then, so did Liberace.
'Blair football 'myth' cleared up
But the Sunday Sun, the region's Sunday newspaper, has now told the former PM in an interview with him that it had misreported a BBC interview in which Mr Blair had talked about his support for Newcastle.
The newspaper said that one of its sports reporters had been told by a friend about Mr Blair's interview on BBC radio, but that the reporter's friend had misheard what the former PM had actually said.
The story was included in a match report and Mr Blair was told, "the rumour grew from there".'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7749778.stm
+ 2.4%
- 1.3%
-24.7%
https://twitter.com/britainelects?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
Just because Farron went to Newcastle and has spent his life with 'ordinary' people is no reason to write him off. 'Experts' have been written off; how about the Oxbridge snobocracy?
"Cos, TBH, that's how it comes across sometimes!
Signed OKC (MA ARU) (AKA Almost a Real University!)
(1) Accept these terms to leave anyway
(2) Go back and try harder
I never knew that, but I assume you must know my mind and everybody elses better than us.
The Remain camp are trying to put legal or additional electoral hurdles in the way of actually leaving.
So...As long as we trigger Article 50 soon (legally, after supreme court or a GE landslide - I don't care which) and are therefore irrevocably committed to an exit on terms to be agreed or WTO rules as fallback - then I'm happy for any further votes or referendums to take place. I share the nagging fear of many that the establishment will indeed find a way to thwart the Leave decision.
And, as I said, "The Lib Dems will ignore what voters want" isn't necessarily a great slogan.
Mr. Patrick, indeed. If legalistic shenanigans prevent our departure, it'll be an interesting conundrum when the next election rolls around.
The Labour leadership want Brexit, no matter how many half hearted denials are issued.
Ironic if they become as split over Europe as the tories used to be.
A simple question: why haven't UKIP disbanded and why hasn't Farage not vanished into retirement?
Answer: they haven't remotely finished yet.
That promise has implications for the attitude to take towards A50. If you say unequivocally that you want Britain to stay in the EU, then you should vote against invoking A50 regardless of whatever negotiating aims the government manages to cobble together and publish.
After the referendum, I thought the Lib Dems had grown a pair.
King Cole, there's often a divergence between a general principle and individual circumstances. "Lock 'em up!" "It's a shame Joe got such a long sentence. He's a nice lad, fell in with the wrong crowd, etc."
You are just projecting your own inadequacies on to the aspirations and vision of those better than yourself.
I wouldn't be surprised if by the middle of next week there are three front-runners with similar prices: Juppé, Le Pen, Fillon. In the longer term, Fillon could well overtake the convicted crook Juppé.
I'm no fan of primaries generally, but you've got to wonder how well they go with the two-round system. Imagine voting four times for who you want to be president. Some people may end up varying their choices merely to break the monotony - which could be advantageous for the main "change" candidate, Marine Le Pen.
It's a deliberately complicated, opaque, unaccountable mess.
The country would love the economics of the EU without the politics. But that's not on offer.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/12/chinas-great-leap-backward/505817/
The Grand Tour review: Clarkson returns in 'filmic' show
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38024595