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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,847
    First like May?
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    2nd like Clinton
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    Damn trumped, like Corbyn.
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    Does this tell us anything new?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    A terrrible result for the Tories??

    Seriously though, that is a very impressive 30+ amongst 18-24YO by Mrs M.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Paging OGH - what happened to 25-34YO?
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    Off Topic

    It's almost two weeks since the POTUS elections and STILL we wait for Ladbrokes to settle their Clinton's Winning Margin of the Popular Vote market.
    Should Shadsy visit PB.com anytime soon, perhaps he'd be so kind as to provide some indication as regards when Laddies expect to pay out on what are clearly winning bets.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    Labour - expoliting the young and gullible
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    Labour - expoliting the young and gullible

    Looks like a 7pt lead in the youngest age group.

    This is Bluewash territory, surely?
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    Mortimer said:

    Paging OGH - what happened to 25-34YO?

    Typo. It should read 18-34
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    Mortimer said:

    Paging OGH - what happened to 25-34YO?

    Typo. It should read 18-34
    I've just fixed that
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    Off Topic

    It's almost two weeks since the POTUS elections and STILL we wait for Ladbrokes to settle their Clinton's Winning Margin of the Popular Vote market.
    Should Shadsy visit PB.com anytime soon, perhaps he'd be so kind as to provide some indication as regards when Laddies expect to pay out on what are clearly winning bets.

    The official returns from the states don't need to be in until after the New Year so you might have to wait until then
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Taxi for Corbyn. Winning the youngest age group by such a small amount is a disaster. Even Ed did better.
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    BudGBudG Posts: 711
    Posted on previous thread:

    I had assumed Fillon would go through easily next weekend, but after reading in this article that "42% mostly voted for Sarkozy does not win", I began to get concerned about the large red figure I had against Juppe on Betfair.

    Presumably most of those voting to stop Sarkozy will have voted for Fillon yesterday as Juppe was regarded as favourite to go through anyway. Question is, how many of that 42% will bother to vote next weekend now they do not have the incentive of voting to stop Sarkozy and how many of those will give their votes to Juppe now that the "stop Sarkozy" job has been done.

    Think this is going to be closer than the first round might indicate.

    http://www.lesechos.fr/elections/primaire-a-droite/0211515174240-primaire-a-droite-les-ressorts-du-vote-fillon-2044422.php
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    Mortimer said:

    A terrrible result for the Tories??

    Seriously though, that is a very impressive 30+ amongst 18-34YO by Mrs M.

    I was about to say "that includes right wing fruit loops like me"

    But, alas, it no longer does.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    edited November 2016
    MaxPB said:

    Taxi for Corbyn. Winning the youngest age group by such a small amount is a disaster. Even Ed did better.

    Time to call on Russell Brand??

    :)
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Mortimer said:

    A terrrible result for the Tories??

    Seriously though, that is a very impressive 30+ amongst 18-34YO by Mrs M.

    I was about to say "that includes right wing fruit loops like me"

    But, alas, it no longer does.
    It's slightly depressing when you tick upwards into a higher standard bracket of age.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903

    Off Topic

    It's almost two weeks since the POTUS elections and STILL we wait for Ladbrokes to settle their Clinton's Winning Margin of the Popular Vote market.
    Should Shadsy visit PB.com anytime soon, perhaps he'd be so kind as to provide some indication as regards when Laddies expect to pay out on what are clearly winning bets.

    Michigan hasn't even been called yet, and CNN aren't updating their PV tally properly (On which Betfair says it will rely in its rules).

    Bottom line is noone really cares in the USA once the president has been announced.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    GeoffM said:

    Mortimer said:

    A terrrible result for the Tories??

    Seriously though, that is a very impressive 30+ amongst 18-34YO by Mrs M.

    I was about to say "that includes right wing fruit loops like me"

    But, alas, it no longer does.
    It's slightly depressing when you tick upwards into a higher standard bracket of age.
    It is when you enter the last one available!
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027
    Typical bias to cut off the ratings for 13-18, 6-12 and 0-5 which show increasingly strong levels of support for Corbyn.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2016
    Taps mic...sniff sniff...WRONG, 21st Century Socialism sweeping the nation.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,916

    Typical bias to cut off the ratings for 13-18, 6-12 and 0-5 which show increasingly strong levels of support for Corbyn.

    My little 'un would vote for anyone who gives him more time with the playdoh. What's Corbyn's policy on that, because it'd be a sure-fire winner amongst the pre-schoolers.
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    Typical bias to cut off the ratings for 13-18, 6-12 and 0-5 which show increasingly strong levels of support for Corbyn.

    Just wait until Trots Tots...100% approval rating with 0-5 year olds.
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    Oh dear. Lefty 'no platforming' tactics are alive and well in the UK:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-21/british-governments-counter-extremist-unit-shuts-down-milo-yiannopoulos-speech
    What a shameful shower of shite. The police should have just done their job and policed the event. What we learn from this is that you can overcome political or ideological opponents in the UK simply by offering threats of violence. We can do better.
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    philiph said:

    GeoffM said:

    Mortimer said:

    A terrrible result for the Tories??

    Seriously though, that is a very impressive 30+ amongst 18-34YO by Mrs M.

    I was about to say "that includes right wing fruit loops like me"

    But, alas, it no longer does.
    It's slightly depressing when you tick upwards into a higher standard bracket of age.
    It is when you enter the last one available!
    No.. you can stay there far longer than the other sections. :-)

    So Labour is doomed until universal euthanasia is approved.
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    philiph said:

    GeoffM said:

    Mortimer said:

    A terrrible result for the Tories??

    Seriously though, that is a very impressive 30+ amongst 18-34YO by Mrs M.

    I was about to say "that includes right wing fruit loops like me"

    But, alas, it no longer does.
    It's slightly depressing when you tick upwards into a higher standard bracket of age.
    It is when you enter the last one available!
    If Labour could somehow drop the NHS religion and let people die earlier they'd see a direct electoral benefit! They should be offering cheaper fags, booze and pies.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Hmm, according to my calculations I think the UK just became fifth largest global economy again! By a whisker.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027
    Patrick said:

    philiph said:

    GeoffM said:

    Mortimer said:

    A terrrible result for the Tories??

    Seriously though, that is a very impressive 30+ amongst 18-34YO by Mrs M.

    I was about to say "that includes right wing fruit loops like me"

    But, alas, it no longer does.
    It's slightly depressing when you tick upwards into a higher standard bracket of age.
    It is when you enter the last one available!
    If Labour could somehow drop the NHS religion and let people die earlier they'd see a direct electoral benefit! They should be offering cheaper fags, booze and pies.
    I'm not so sure. If everyone lived to 120, the 55-64s might feel young and irresponsible.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited November 2016
    oh
    Patrick said:

    philiph said:

    GeoffM said:

    Mortimer said:

    A terrrible result for the Tories??

    Seriously though, that is a very impressive 30+ amongst 18-34YO by Mrs M.

    I was about to say "that includes right wing fruit loops like me"

    But, alas, it no longer does.
    It's slightly depressing when you tick upwards into a higher standard bracket of age.
    It is when you enter the last one available!
    If Labour could somehow drop the NHS religion and let people die earlier they'd see a direct electoral benefit! They should be offering cheaper fags, booze and pies.
    its already happening, my sister at 65 is deemed to old to be worth spending nhs money on.. has to wait in an indefinite queue...she might die before she ever gets the op......
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    MaxPB said:

    Hmm, according to my calculations I think the UK just became fifth largest global economy again! By a whisker.

    Scott_P will be along shortly to confirm....

    *chortle*
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    Patrick said:

    philiph said:

    GeoffM said:

    Mortimer said:

    A terrrible result for the Tories??

    Seriously though, that is a very impressive 30+ amongst 18-34YO by Mrs M.

    I was about to say "that includes right wing fruit loops like me"

    But, alas, it no longer does.
    It's slightly depressing when you tick upwards into a higher standard bracket of age.
    It is when you enter the last one available!
    If Labour could somehow drop the NHS religion and let people die earlier they'd see a direct electoral benefit! They should be offering cheaper fags, booze and pies.
    Time to stop the cull on unborn babies, perhaps?

    (Good afternoon, everyone)
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    MaxPB said:

    Hmm, according to my calculations I think the UK just became fifth largest global economy again! By a whisker.

    Scott_P will be along shortly to confirm....

    *chortle*
    I'm tempted to point it out on my fb feed - amazing how many non-politicos suddenly became bad news bearers in the few days after Brexit.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    On topic, those numbers are heading to CON Gain Bootle territory, aren't they?

    Cataclysmically bad for Labour.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Hmm, according to my calculations I think the UK just became fifth largest global economy again! By a whisker.

    Scott_P will be along shortly to confirm....

    *chortle*
    I'm tempted to point it out on my fb feed - amazing how many non-politicos suddenly became bad news bearers in the few days after Brexit.
    Nah, my calculations are based on the real time currency rates, could invalidated by the end of the day.
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    I'm not sure Mike's headline is quite right. It seems to me that Jeremy Corbyn has made a quite remarkable breakthrough with his own age group. Just not in a manner advantageous to his electoral prospects.
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    MaxPB said:

    Hmm, according to my calculations I think the UK just became fifth largest global economy again! By a whisker.

    Scott_P will be along shortly to confirm....

    *chortle*
    Scott's busy having another go at the Monty Hall problem.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,847
    Pulpstar said:

    Off Topic

    It's almost two weeks since the POTUS elections and STILL we wait for Ladbrokes to settle their Clinton's Winning Margin of the Popular Vote market.
    Should Shadsy visit PB.com anytime soon, perhaps he'd be so kind as to provide some indication as regards when Laddies expect to pay out on what are clearly winning bets.

    Michigan hasn't even been called yet, and CNN aren't updating their PV tally properly (On which Betfair says it will rely in its rules).

    Bottom line is noone really cares in the USA once the president has been announced.
    Which is one to remember for next time! Come on Shadsy, there's no way that Clinton's lead isn't going to be outside 0-5% now.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Hmm, according to my calculations I think the UK just became fifth largest global economy again! By a whisker.

    Scott_P will be along shortly to confirm....

    *chortle*
    I'm tempted to point it out on my fb feed - amazing how many non-politicos suddenly became bad news bearers in the few days after Brexit.
    Nah, my calculations are based on the real time currency rates, could invalidated by the end of the day.
    Darn - though it should be pointed out to a few e.g. FT journos....
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    May is only slightly behind Corbyn with the 18-34 age group. That's a pretty good finding for the Tories.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869

    I'm not sure Mike's headline is quite right. It seems to me that Jeremy Corbyn has made a quite remarkable breakthrough with his own age group. Just not in a manner advantageous to his electoral prospects.

    It's a real pity that the first age group isn't broken down into 18-24 and 25-34. Perhaps voting at 16 would encourage pollsters to have 16-24 & 25-34 sets.

    But is it my imagination, or are the older age groups becoming increasingly set against Mr Corbyn? (Sorry, don't know where to look for previous tables of the same info.)
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,847

    Typical bias to cut off the ratings for 13-18, 6-12 and 0-5 which show increasingly strong levels of support for Corbyn.

    And, like most of Corbyn's slightly older supporters, they won't vote on Election Day either!
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    MaxPB said:

    Hmm, according to my calculations I think the UK just became fifth largest global economy again! By a whisker.

    Scott_P will be along shortly to confirm....

    *chortle*
    Only if Faisal posts that.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    Pulpstar said:

    Off Topic

    It's almost two weeks since the POTUS elections and STILL we wait for Ladbrokes to settle their Clinton's Winning Margin of the Popular Vote market.
    Should Shadsy visit PB.com anytime soon, perhaps he'd be so kind as to provide some indication as regards when Laddies expect to pay out on what are clearly winning bets.

    Michigan hasn't even been called yet, and CNN aren't updating their PV tally properly (On which Betfair says it will rely in its rules).

    Bottom line is noone really cares in the USA once the president has been announced.
    I'm glad I didn't have a post-election punt on Trump getting 47%+... he's now slid to 46.7
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true

    The counting process does seem like a bit of a rum do.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Why does May keep running these ideas that simply seem to fall over after a while. There's not even any particular ideological bias/kite flying direction (Grammar schools right, workers on boards, left) to them.

    Because she is a very poor PM who is completely out of her depth.
    bullshit. She has been only in office a month or two.. I'll bet you wouldn't have been saying that after (YOUR.. not my ) sainted Blair nearly had to go over the Ecclestone affair.
    Your mindset now seems that because there really is nothing left to bitch about Corbyn, the only thing you can bitch about is the Govt and especially Mrs May.Its very boring and you are in danger of being repetitive..

    She needs time as all new PM's do. They grow into the job.
    I tend to read PB from bottom to top, so quite often read most of a post before seeing the author. It's fascinating how often you can predict the author from tone and defensiveness, and who is the subject of their defensiveness.
    A 'month or two', or even four.
    It seems a lot longer than four months for we Cameroons.
    The Cameroon is an extinct pointless politico that was endemic to the island of UK east of Europe next to the Atlantic Ocean and North Sea. The Cameroon's closest genetic relative was the also extinct Harold Macmillanus and Rabid Butler.
    Surely the closest genetic relative was the Blairite ?
    FPT Not posh enough.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Hmm, according to my calculations I think the UK just became fifth largest global economy again! By a whisker.

    Scott_P will be along shortly to confirm....

    *chortle*
    I'm tempted to point it out on my fb feed - amazing how many non-politicos suddenly became bad news bearers in the few days after Brexit.
    Nah, my calculations are based on the real time currency rates, could invalidated by the end of the day.
    Darn - though it should be pointed out to a few e.g. FT journos....
    I think we'd need to sustain the current gains to €1.17 for a week or so before I'd be comfortable saying it. Really we should wait for A50 and final 2016 growth to become clear before calling it. As always, a cautious approach is warranted.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    edited November 2016
    France:

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-election-poll-idUKKBN13F11L?il=0

    France's Francois Fillon was seen winning next Sunday's second round of conservative primaries against Alain Juppe, in the first opinion poll published after the two men were seen this Sunday qualifying for the runoff.

    Fillon would win with 56 percent of the votes vs 44 percent for Juppe, according to the Opinionway poll carried out amid 3,095 voters who took part in the first round of the primaries this Sunday.

    (Reporting by Ingrid Melander and Michel Rose; Editing by Sandra Maler)

    Sample is of those who have bothered to vote
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    Patrick said:

    philiph said:

    GeoffM said:

    Mortimer said:

    A terrrible result for the Tories??

    Seriously though, that is a very impressive 30+ amongst 18-34YO by Mrs M.

    I was about to say "that includes right wing fruit loops like me"

    But, alas, it no longer does.
    It's slightly depressing when you tick upwards into a higher standard bracket of age.
    It is when you enter the last one available!
    If Labour could somehow drop the NHS religion and let people die earlier they'd see a direct electoral benefit! They should be offering cheaper fags, booze and pies.
    I'm not so sure. If everyone lived to 120, the 55-64s might feel young and irresponsible.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/derrick-y-mcdaniel/sex-and-seniors-stds-a-ne_b_9619778.html
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    I think we'd need to sustain the current gains to €1.17 for a week or so before I'd be comfortable saying it.

    I wonder where the value might go if the market really got the idea that le Pen might win. Farage reckons that would be 'game over' for the EU.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    edited November 2016
    Dadge said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Off Topic

    It's almost two weeks since the POTUS elections and STILL we wait for Ladbrokes to settle their Clinton's Winning Margin of the Popular Vote market.
    Should Shadsy visit PB.com anytime soon, perhaps he'd be so kind as to provide some indication as regards when Laddies expect to pay out on what are clearly winning bets.

    Michigan hasn't even been called yet, and CNN aren't updating their PV tally properly (On which Betfair says it will rely in its rules).

    Bottom line is noone really cares in the USA once the president has been announced.
    I'm glad I didn't have a post-election punt on Trump getting 47%+... he's now slid to 46.7
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true

    The counting process does seem like a bit of a rum do.

    Note: This market will be settled upon popular vote percentage figures as published by CNN.

    http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/president

    Arizona not properly updated for one.

    Alaska about 40,000 votes out...

    The sub 47% band is probably a winner, but I'm afraid I lost faith in CNN to do their sums properly (And Betfair is going off their info) to back at very short prices.
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    Typical bias to cut off the ratings for 13-18, 6-12 and 0-5 which show increasingly strong levels of support for Corbyn.

    :smile:
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    taffys said:

    I think we'd need to sustain the current gains to €1.17 for a week or so before I'd be comfortable saying it.

    I wonder where the value might go if the market really got the idea that le Pen might win. Farage reckons that would be 'game over' for the EU.

    If Le Pen wins they should just dissolve the EU and hope for the best. I don't see how the EU could survive six years of a far right presidency in the second largest nation. Immediately there would be a referendum which would result in France leaving, they would be out of the Eurozone, meaning after a small bout of weakness the Euro would surge as it becomes a new Deutsche Mark zone destroying the economies in the south and leading to more political instability.

    If France turns it's back on the EU by voting in Le Pen it would be game over IMO as well.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    edited November 2016
    Dadge said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Off Topic

    It's almost two weeks since the POTUS elections and STILL we wait for Ladbrokes to settle their Clinton's Winning Margin of the Popular Vote market.
    Should Shadsy visit PB.com anytime soon, perhaps he'd be so kind as to provide some indication as regards when Laddies expect to pay out on what are clearly winning bets.

    Michigan hasn't even been called yet, and CNN aren't updating their PV tally properly (On which Betfair says it will rely in its rules).

    Bottom line is noone really cares in the USA once the president has been announced.
    I'm glad I didn't have a post-election punt on Trump getting 47%+... he's now slid to 46.7
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true

    The counting process does seem like a bit of a rum do.
    That spreadsheet shows just how good the Trump campaign was.

    They achieved a swing of just over 4%, in the six States they gained from Democrats, compared to a swing of 0.5% across the rest of the country. Excluding Florida, where they only needed a small swing, the swing was 5%.
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    Pulpstar said:

    France:

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-election-poll-idUKKBN13F11L?il=0

    France's Francois Fillon was seen winning next Sunday's second round of conservative primaries against Alain Juppe, in the first opinion poll published after the two men were seen this Sunday qualifying for the runoff.

    Fillon would win with 56 percent of the votes vs 44 percent for Juppe, according to the Opinionway poll carried out amid 3,095 voters who took part in the first round of the primaries this Sunday.

    (Reporting by Ingrid Melander and Michel Rose; Editing by Sandra Maler)

    Sample is of those who have bothered to vote

    I'd offer Juppé his Foreign Minister job back.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited November 2016
    Mr Max,

    V. interesting analysis and one I agree with. In that scenario peripheral Euro denominated governments are the sell of the century, to my mind.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027
    MaxPB said:

    Immediately there would be a referendum which would result in France leaving,

    I doubt that would appear anywhere in Marine Le Pen's list of top 5 priorities. She won't have worked this hard to become President only to waste her time fiddling around with Frexit. Unlike Farage she is a nationalist with a purpose, not simply a wrecker.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    MaxPB said:

    Immediately there would be a referendum which would result in France leaving,

    I doubt that would appear anywhere in Marine Le Pen's list of top 5 priorities. She won't have worked this hard to become President only to waste her time fiddling around with Frexit. Unlike Farage she is a nationalist with a purpose, not simply a wrecker.
    Except the fact that she's promised one on many occasions and poll after poll has shown upwards of 60% of French people are fed up with the EU.

    You're completely and utterly deluded by your love of Juncker and the rest of those idiots. If France votes for Le Pen they are leaving the EU.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,907
    Pulpstar said:

    Dadge said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Off Topic

    It's almost two weeks since the POTUS elections and STILL we wait for Ladbrokes to settle their Clinton's Winning Margin of the Popular Vote market.
    Should Shadsy visit PB.com anytime soon, perhaps he'd be so kind as to provide some indication as regards when Laddies expect to pay out on what are clearly winning bets.

    Michigan hasn't even been called yet, and CNN aren't updating their PV tally properly (On which Betfair says it will rely in its rules).

    Bottom line is noone really cares in the USA once the president has been announced.
    I'm glad I didn't have a post-election punt on Trump getting 47%+... he's now slid to 46.7
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true

    The counting process does seem like a bit of a rum do.

    Note: This market will be settled upon popular vote percentage figures as published by CNN.

    http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/president

    Arizona not properly updated for one.

    Alaska about 40,000 votes out...

    The sub 47% band is probably a winner, but I'm afraid I lost faith in CNN to do their sums properly (And Betfair is going off their info) to back at very short prices.
    I don't think their state totals and overall national level total are updated in unison...
    I couldn't make the state totals add up to the national total (they always seemed to be a few votes short)- which made me think they update the state totals slower than national.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    edited November 2016
    rkrkrk said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Dadge said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Off Topic

    It's almost two weeks since the POTUS elections and STILL we wait for Ladbrokes to settle their Clinton's Winning Margin of the Popular Vote market.
    Should Shadsy visit PB.com anytime soon, perhaps he'd be so kind as to provide some indication as regards when Laddies expect to pay out on what are clearly winning bets.

    Michigan hasn't even been called yet, and CNN aren't updating their PV tally properly (On which Betfair says it will rely in its rules).

    Bottom line is noone really cares in the USA once the president has been announced.
    I'm glad I didn't have a post-election punt on Trump getting 47%+... he's now slid to 46.7
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true

    The counting process does seem like a bit of a rum do.

    Note: This market will be settled upon popular vote percentage figures as published by CNN.

    http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/president

    Arizona not properly updated for one.

    Alaska about 40,000 votes out...

    The sub 47% band is probably a winner, but I'm afraid I lost faith in CNN to do their sums properly (And Betfair is going off their info) to back at very short prices.
    I don't think their state totals and overall national level total are updated in unison...
    I couldn't make the state totals add up to the national total (they always seemed to be a few votes short)- which made me think they update the state totals slower than national.
    No, they do.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xhNsDknxws1RDjHN-U3MkkLAr5uMi6W82_S82GWmNXQ/edit?usp=sharing
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    Good afternoon, everyone.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Immediately there would be a referendum which would result in France leaving,

    I doubt that would appear anywhere in Marine Le Pen's list of top 5 priorities. She won't have worked this hard to become President only to waste her time fiddling around with Frexit. Unlike Farage she is a nationalist with a purpose, not simply a wrecker.
    Except the fact that she's promised one on many occasions and poll after poll has shown upwards of 60% of French people are fed up with the EU.

    You're completely and utterly deluded by your love of Juncker and the rest of those idiots. If France votes for Le Pen they are leaving the EU.
    That's not my point. If she's serious about getting France out of the EU, having a referendum will not be her starting point. It's also far from the case that the election of Le Pen necessarily means that France is leaving the EU, anymore than the election of Trump necessarily mean the US leaving the WTO.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    If I had the time, I'd like to attach absolute numbers of voters in each age group to probability to vote and see where that would take the two parties if turned into VI. I suspect it would look far worse for Labour than the current VIs reported in polling.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    rk, I assume you're ray @ googlemail.com - feel free to update it.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    edited November 2016
    Sterling is absolutely surging today, I just can't figure out why. If anyone has an explanation beyond short covering I'd be very interested to know.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited November 2016
    MaxPB said:

    Sterling is absolutely surging today, I just can't figure out why. If anyone has an explanation beyond short covering I'd be very interested to know.

    May's 'interim' Brexit? a 'temporary' soft deal that turns out to be permanent?
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,907
    Pulpstar said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Dadge said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Off Topic

    It's almost two weeks since the POTUS elections and STILL we wait for Ladbrokes to settle their Clinton's Winning Margin of the Popular Vote market.
    Should Shadsy visit PB.com anytime soon, perhaps he'd be so kind as to provide some indication as regards when Laddies expect to pay out on what are clearly winning bets.

    Michigan hasn't even been called yet, and CNN aren't updating their PV tally properly (On which Betfair says it will rely in its rules).

    Bottom line is noone really cares in the USA once the president has been announced.
    I'm glad I didn't have a post-election punt on Trump getting 47%+... he's now slid to 46.7
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true

    The counting process does seem like a bit of a rum do.

    Note: This market will be settled upon popular vote percentage figures as published by CNN.

    http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/president

    Arizona not properly updated for one.

    Alaska about 40,000 votes out...

    The sub 47% band is probably a winner, but I'm afraid I lost faith in CNN to do their sums properly (And Betfair is going off their info) to back at very short prices.
    I don't think their state totals and overall national level total are updated in unison...
    I couldn't make the state totals add up to the national total (they always seemed to be a few votes short)- which made me think they update the state totals slower than national.
    No, they do.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xhNsDknxws1RDjHN-U3MkkLAr5uMi6W82_S82GWmNXQ/edit#gid=0
    Thanks for the spreadsheet. Are you getting the CNN numbers from here?
    http://edition.cnn.com/election

    Your spreadsheet seems on first glance to have higher numbers than CNN are reporting?
    Unless I am misreading it? CNN have Hilary on 62,523,126 votes at present?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027
    This the Front National's position on the Euro. They propose two ways the Euro could end - the first which they see as undesirable is an uncontrolled chain reaction caused by France or Italy unilaterally deciding to print their own currency. The second is a negotiated and planned dissolution which they see as preferable. This is not something that would or could happen quickly.

    http://www.frontnational.com/pdf/fin-euro.pdf
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924
    edited November 2016
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Immediately there would be a referendum which would result in France leaving,

    I doubt that would appear anywhere in Marine Le Pen's list of top 5 priorities. She won't have worked this hard to become President only to waste her time fiddling around with Frexit. Unlike Farage she is a nationalist with a purpose, not simply a wrecker.
    Except the fact that she's promised one on many occasions and poll after poll has shown upwards of 60% of French people are fed up with the EU.

    You're completely and utterly deluded by your love of Juncker and the rest of those idiots. If France votes for Le Pen they are leaving the EU.
    I believe the official FN policy is a referendum on the Euro, and restrictions on immigration within the EU.

    There is a 12 point plan on her website for how to leave the Euro. Unfortunately, it's not a very well thought out plan, and would involved massive capital flight. Indeed, I think France would effectively leave the Euro through capital flight on the day of a Le Pen victory. There's no (political) way Target-2 could be used to fund bets on Frexit.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Rip up your Tulsi Gabbard slips for the 2020 Dem nomination, she's talking to Trump about becoming Defence Sec. Very hard line against Islamic Extremism, she grilled Obama about his continual refusal to identify ISIS as Islamic Extremism. She also distrusts Pakistan (unsurprising given her Indian heritage) and Saudi Arabia. It would be a massive departure of US policy towards the Islamic world if she gets the job.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    MaxPB said:

    Sterling is absolutely surging today, I just can't figure out why. If anyone has an explanation beyond short covering I'd be very interested to know.

    TM said she's going to negotiate a "transitional" Brexit which the markets are probably interpreting as we're going to REMAIN?
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    LennonLennon Posts: 1,729
    MaxPB said:

    Sterling is absolutely surging today, I just can't figure out why. If anyone has an explanation beyond short covering I'd be very interested to know.

    I'm hearing 'Due to comments about lower Corporation Tax'...

    Personally suspect an element of 'this is happening - what can we find to explain it, rather than it actually being the cause but you asked...'
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924
    MaxPB said:

    Rip up your Tulsi Gabbard slips for the 2020 Dem nomination, she's talking to Trump about becoming Defence Sec. Very hard line against Islamic Extremism, she grilled Obama about his continual refusal to identify ISIS as Islamic Extremism. She also distrusts Pakistan (unsurprising given her Indian heritage) and Saudi Arabia. It would be a massive departure of US policy towards the Islamic world if she gets the job.

    Isn't she about 25?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924
    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sterling is absolutely surging today, I just can't figure out why. If anyone has an explanation beyond short covering I'd be very interested to know.

    TM said she's going to negotiate a "transitional" Brexit which the markets are probably interpreting as we're going to REMAIN?
    That was the call from a couple of the big IBs this morning.
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    MaxPB said:

    Rip up your Tulsi Gabbard slips for the 2020 Dem nomination, she's talking to Trump about becoming Defence Sec. Very hard line against Islamic Extremism, she grilled Obama about his continual refusal to identify ISIS as Islamic Extremism. She also distrusts Pakistan (unsurprising given her Indian heritage) and Saudi Arabia. It would be a massive departure of US policy towards the Islamic world if she gets the job.

    Don't see why you'd need to rip up your slips. This is a very intriguing development.
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    Mr. Gin two sorts of transitional arrangement, though.

    1) There's a halfway house deal negotiated and agreed. Secondary negotiations for proper departure will follow.

    2) There's a defined period of gradual withdrawal, a transition period during which we re-acclimatise to being outside the EU, after which we move to a full departure deal which is set in stone.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Rip up your Tulsi Gabbard slips for the 2020 Dem nomination, she's talking to Trump about becoming Defence Sec. Very hard line against Islamic Extremism, she grilled Obama about his continual refusal to identify ISIS as Islamic Extremism. She also distrusts Pakistan (unsurprising given her Indian heritage) and Saudi Arabia. It would be a massive departure of US policy towards the Islamic world if she gets the job.

    Isn't she about 25?
    35. Only 3 years younger than Macron.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Rip up your Tulsi Gabbard slips for the 2020 Dem nomination, she's talking to Trump about becoming Defence Sec. Very hard line against Islamic Extremism, she grilled Obama about his continual refusal to identify ISIS as Islamic Extremism. She also distrusts Pakistan (unsurprising given her Indian heritage) and Saudi Arabia. It would be a massive departure of US policy towards the Islamic world if she gets the job.

    Isn't she about 25?
    35, ex-military.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    MaxPB said:

    Rip up your Tulsi Gabbard slips for the 2020 Dem nomination, she's talking to Trump about becoming Defence Sec. Very hard line against Islamic Extremism, she grilled Obama about his continual refusal to identify ISIS as Islamic Extremism. She also distrusts Pakistan (unsurprising given her Indian heritage) and Saudi Arabia. It would be a massive departure of US policy towards the Islamic world if she gets the job.

    Don't see why you'd need to rip up your slips. This is a very intriguing development.
    If she becomes Trump's defence secretary she will never, ever be able to win the Dem nomination.
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    Mr. Glenn, older than Alexander. Or Jesus, for that matter.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited November 2016
    ''TM said she's going to negotiate a "transitional" Brexit which the markets are probably interpreting as we're going to REMAIN? ''

    Looks like Hammond is winning the battle against the Brexiteers. Maybe that's what is cheering up sterling.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    rkrkrk said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Dadge said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Off Topic

    It's almost two weeks since the POTUS elections and STILL we wait for Ladbrokes to settle their Clinton's Winning Margin of the Popular Vote market.
    Should Shadsy visit PB.com anytime soon, perhaps he'd be so kind as to provide some indication as regards when Laddies expect to pay out on what are clearly winning bets.

    Michigan hasn't even been called yet, and CNN aren't updating their PV tally properly (On which Betfair says it will rely in its rules).

    Bottom line is noone really cares in the USA once the president has been announced.
    I'm glad I didn't have a post-election punt on Trump getting 47%+... he's now slid to 46.7
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true

    The counting process does seem like a bit of a rum do.

    Note: This market will be settled upon popular vote percentage figures as published by CNN.

    http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/president

    Arizona not properly updated for one.

    Alaska about 40,000 votes out...

    The sub 47% band is probably a winner, but I'm afraid I lost faith in CNN to do their sums properly (And Betfair is going off their info) to back at very short prices.
    I don't think their state totals and overall national level total are updated in unison...
    I couldn't make the state totals add up to the national total (they always seemed to be a few votes short)- which made me think they update the state totals slower than national.
    No, they do.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xhNsDknxws1RDjHN-U3MkkLAr5uMi6W82_S82GWmNXQ/edit#gid=0
    Thanks for the spreadsheet. Are you getting the CNN numbers from here?
    http://edition.cnn.com/election

    Your spreadsheet seems on first glance to have higher numbers than CNN are reporting?
    Unless I am misreading it? CNN have Hilary on 62,523,126 votes at present?
    Well the totals DID add through, now it is 130k extra votes for Hillary compared to 75k extra for Trump.

    Consistent with only Cali being added. (Check the last state update dates)
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    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Rip up your Tulsi Gabbard slips for the 2020 Dem nomination, she's talking to Trump about becoming Defence Sec. Very hard line against Islamic Extremism, she grilled Obama about his continual refusal to identify ISIS as Islamic Extremism. She also distrusts Pakistan (unsurprising given her Indian heritage) and Saudi Arabia. It would be a massive departure of US policy towards the Islamic world if she gets the job.

    Don't see why you'd need to rip up your slips. This is a very intriguing development.
    If she becomes Trump's defence secretary she will never, ever be able to win the Dem nomination.
    With Sanders backing her?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sterling is absolutely surging today, I just can't figure out why. If anyone has an explanation beyond short covering I'd be very interested to know.

    TM said she's going to negotiate a "transitional" Brexit which the markets are probably interpreting as we're going to REMAIN?
    That was the call from a couple of the big IBs this morning.
    I think it means it looks a lot like the solution you and I are looking for, EEA/EFTA plus benefits restrictions at home to deter unskilled migrants and get the raw numbers down.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924

    This the Front National's position on the Euro. They propose two ways the Euro could end - the first which they see as undesirable is an uncontrolled chain reaction caused by France or Italy unilaterally deciding to print their own currency. The second is a negotiated and planned dissolution which they see as preferable. This is not something that would or could happen quickly.

    http://www.frontnational.com/pdf/fin-euro.pdf

    The problem is that there is no 'slow path' to exit, because the decision to exit would be driven by a desire for a weaker currency. Therefore no one would like to have even a single Euro in a French back on exit day. Indeed, every person and firm would seek to maximise borrowings and move into cash or into holding at "safer" (from a currency perspective ) institutions in Germany or the Netherlands.

    Traditionally, such capital flows are handled by Target-2. But the amounts would not be absorbable by Target-2, and it would be politically unacceptable for the Germans, through Target-2, to effectively pay hedge funds to bet against the Euro,

    Furthermore, all French banks would be shut out of the funding markets, or would need to use their subsidiaries in stronger countries, as no-one would like to be owed a French Euro.

    Ultimately, the way to the Leave the Euro, for someone who wished to devalue, is to declare a four day bank holiday, implement capital controls, and deal with a period (weeks to months) of chaos.

    For Greece, it would have been indisputably the right call. For France, it's a more balanced question, not least because Frexit would come along with the Front National. And the Front National's economic policy is based on the premise that France suffers from too little government control rather than too much.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Rip up your Tulsi Gabbard slips for the 2020 Dem nomination, she's talking to Trump about becoming Defence Sec. Very hard line against Islamic Extremism, she grilled Obama about his continual refusal to identify ISIS as Islamic Extremism. She also distrusts Pakistan (unsurprising given her Indian heritage) and Saudi Arabia. It would be a massive departure of US policy towards the Islamic world if she gets the job.

    Don't see why you'd need to rip up your slips. This is a very intriguing development.
    If she becomes Trump's defence secretary she will never, ever be able to win the Dem nomination.
    With Sanders backing her?
    Sanders might be dead by 2024, and working with Trump would be seen a huge betrayal of the liberal left. She would be giving up all of delegates from the coastal states and supers.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027
    edited November 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sterling is absolutely surging today, I just can't figure out why. If anyone has an explanation beyond short covering I'd be very interested to know.

    TM said she's going to negotiate a "transitional" Brexit which the markets are probably interpreting as we're going to REMAIN?
    That was the call from a couple of the big IBs this morning.
    I think with May's comment about avoiding a 'cliff edge' her Brexit strategy has become clear. She's playing a game of Lemmings where her job is to create obstacles for the herd of Brexiteers to prevent them committing suicide as she surreptitiously guides them towards a safe place.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Some voted to stay in, some voted to leave. Nobody voted for a ''transitional brexit. ''

    The winner is UKIP.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793

    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sterling is absolutely surging today, I just can't figure out why. If anyone has an explanation beyond short covering I'd be very interested to know.

    TM said she's going to negotiate a "transitional" Brexit which the markets are probably interpreting as we're going to REMAIN?
    That was the call from a couple of the big IBs this morning.
    I think with May's comment about avoiding a 'cliff edge' her Brexit strategy has become clear. She's playing a game of Lemmings where her job is to create obstacles for the herd of Brexiteers to prevent them committing suicide as she surreptitiously guides them towards a safe place.
    We shall see whether the "Lemmings" switch en mass to UKIP at the next election. In the current mood the establishment is playing a very dangerous game with the voters.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027
    rcs1000 said:

    For Greece, it would have been indisputably the right call.

    Indisputably? That's a strong call given that we do not know how the political situation would have developed in Greece afterwards, but we do know that Tsipras has held together a relatively stable administration.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924
    taffys said:

    Some voted to stay in, some voted to leave. Nobody voted for a ''transitional brexit. ''

    The winner is UKIP.

    Nobody ever votes for fudge. But it's the government's job to find the form of Brexit acceptable to the largest number of people.
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    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sterling is absolutely surging today, I just can't figure out why. If anyone has an explanation beyond short covering I'd be very interested to know.

    TM said she's going to negotiate a "transitional" Brexit which the markets are probably interpreting as we're going to REMAIN?
    That was the call from a couple of the big IBs this morning.
    I think with May's comment about avoiding a 'cliff edge' her Brexit strategy has become clear. She's playing a game of Lemmings where her job is to create obstacles for the herd of Brexiteers to prevent them committing suicide as she surreptitiously guides them towards a safe place.
    We shall see whether the "Lemmings" switch en mass to UKIP at the next election. In the current mood the establishment is playing a very dangerous game with the voters.
    UKIP is KAPUT
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sterling is absolutely surging today, I just can't figure out why. If anyone has an explanation beyond short covering I'd be very interested to know.

    TM said she's going to negotiate a "transitional" Brexit which the markets are probably interpreting as we're going to REMAIN?
    That was the call from a couple of the big IBs this morning.
    I think it means it looks a lot like the solution you and I are looking for, EEA/EFTA plus benefits restrictions at home to deter unskilled migrants and get the raw numbers down.
    Question out of my own ignorance - what would that mean for our ability to negotiate our own trade deals?
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    We shall see whether the "Lemmings" switch en mass to UKIP at the next election. In the current mood the establishment is playing a very dangerous game with the voters.

    Indeed. The US president's favourite brit is their leader.

    Hammond has clearly won May over. She spoke like his glove puppet today.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924

    rcs1000 said:

    For Greece, it would have been indisputably the right call.

    Indisputably? That's a strong call given that we do not know how the political situation would have developed in Greece afterwards, but we do know that Tsipras has held together a relatively stable administration.
    OK. My view is that they would have been better off jumping; but you're right that Tsipras thought he could not (politically) survive Grexit.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The news networks like CNN aren't bothering to update the latest figures.

    Dave Wasserman's spreadsheet is the best reference:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19
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    rcs1000 said:

    taffys said:

    Some voted to stay in, some voted to leave. Nobody voted for a ''transitional brexit. ''

    The winner is UKIP.

    Nobody ever votes for fudge. But it's the government's job to find the form of Brexit acceptable to the largest number of people.
    It's a test match, not a T20.
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    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Rip up your Tulsi Gabbard slips for the 2020 Dem nomination, she's talking to Trump about becoming Defence Sec. Very hard line against Islamic Extremism, she grilled Obama about his continual refusal to identify ISIS as Islamic Extremism. She also distrusts Pakistan (unsurprising given her Indian heritage) and Saudi Arabia. It would be a massive departure of US policy towards the Islamic world if she gets the job.

    Don't see why you'd need to rip up your slips. This is a very intriguing development.
    If she becomes Trump's defence secretary she will never, ever be able to win the Dem nomination.
    With Sanders backing her?
    Sanders might be dead by 2024, and working with Trump would be seen a huge betrayal of the liberal left. She would be giving up all of delegates from the coastal states and supers.
    Working with = moderating, perhaps. Right now things "collaborating" with Trump looks an unusual career move, but if we are talking 2024 [and thus some degree of Trump being a success] then the Democrats will have to have moved on a bit by then.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924
    MTimT said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sterling is absolutely surging today, I just can't figure out why. If anyone has an explanation beyond short covering I'd be very interested to know.

    TM said she's going to negotiate a "transitional" Brexit which the markets are probably interpreting as we're going to REMAIN?
    That was the call from a couple of the big IBs this morning.
    I think it means it looks a lot like the solution you and I are looking for, EEA/EFTA plus benefits restrictions at home to deter unskilled migrants and get the raw numbers down.
    Question out of my own ignorance - what would that mean for our ability to negotiate our own trade deals?
    It would have no impact whatsoever: EEA countries (and Switzerland) have plenty of other deals in place. (And there are countries, like Chile, where the EU has free trade agreement where EFTA/EEA do not, although the overlap is about 90%.)
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,692

    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sterling is absolutely surging today, I just can't figure out why. If anyone has an explanation beyond short covering I'd be very interested to know.

    TM said she's going to negotiate a "transitional" Brexit which the markets are probably interpreting as we're going to REMAIN?
    That was the call from a couple of the big IBs this morning.
    I think with May's comment about avoiding a 'cliff edge' her Brexit strategy has become clear. She's playing a game of Lemmings where her job is to create obstacles for the herd of Brexiteers to prevent them committing suicide as she surreptitiously guides them towards a safe place.
    It was actually the man from the CBI who talked about cliff edges and Theresa May said something in response along the lines of "Of course we don't want cliff edges". From that people deduce a policy where we effectively remain in the EU for the time being.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    AndyJS said:

    The news networks like CNN aren't bothering to update the latest figures.

    Dave Wasserman's spreadsheet is the best reference:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19

    Betfair are settling using CNN in their blimmin rules though.

    I'm going to propose they move to Wasserman/Cook for future elections.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027
    taffys said:

    Indeed. The US president's favourite brit is their leader.

    There would be a certain symmetry in Farage getting the US president to tell the British people what to do and them telling him where to go.
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