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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,114
    A good month for the Pointing-at-Potholes Party.

    Until the LibDems have to try and convince people to rejoin the EU, take on the Euro, join the EU-Army, and generally show themselves to be connected to reality by a wisp of ectoplasm....
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    RestharrowRestharrow Posts: 233
    edited December 2016

    A good month for the Pointing-at-Potholes Party.

    Until the LibDems have to try and convince people to rejoin the EU, take on the Euro, join the EU-Army, and generally show themselves to be connected to reality by a wisp of ectoplasm....

    What's wrong with letting the Libems fix potholes, mow grass verges and empty dustbins? In the season of goodwill perhaps we can all agree these are their specialist subjects.

    And thanks to Harry for a bravura performance this year.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    The respective parties' vote share suggests the Conservatives will retain a big lead in County Councils next year.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Is there any evidence that Lib Dem run councils are better at fixing potholes, mowing the verges, emptying dustbins than similar authorities run by councils of different political colours?

    Years ago (maybe 20) I remember the Home Office trying to set up comparison schemes whereby, for example, police forces could be judged against a set of performance indicators against others in a family with similar demographic/social/deprivation indicators. Has anything similar been done for local authorities?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,114

    A good month for the Pointing-at-Potholes Party.

    Until the LibDems have to try and convince people to rejoin the EU, take on the Euro, join the EU-Army, and generally show themselves to be connected to reality by a wisp of ectoplasm....

    What's wrong with letting the Libems fix potholes, mow grass verges and empty dustbins? In the season of goodwill perhaps we can all agree these are their specialist subjects.

    And thanks to Harry for a bravura performance this year.
    It's much better for the environment if we leave grass verges unmown. Bloody tidying-up busy-bodies, killing off a whole bunch of wildlife habitat....
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    Cheers for this Mr. Hayfield.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Sean_F said:

    The respective parties' vote share suggests the Conservatives will retain a big lead in County Councils next year.

    No they do not . The majority of seats up in December were Conservative seats in strong Conservative areas and yet they lost 7 seats out of the 11 they were defending . Heading for a multitude of losses next May except in Scotland .
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,605
    With two tier local government are the same set of councillors responsible for both potholes and dog dirt?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    Care to wager that the Conservatives won't retain a big lead on County Counils?
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Sean_F said:

    Care to wager that the Conservatives won't retain a big lead on County Counils?

    Of course they will , the vast majority of County Councils are Conservative controlled , they will still suffer heavy seat losses despite some gains from the dying UKIP Party .
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    Many thanks Harry.

    On topic, the Tories losing council seats ever since Dave was replaced by Mrs May.

    Bring back Dave, if not Dave, then Osborne.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    @TOPPING FPT

    EUGMP = European GMP

    Nothing to do with the European Union.

    You weren't muddling up the EU with Europe were you? Rookie error.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    @TSE

    I liked the first comment in response to that tweet.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,990
    Off-topic:

    We often open our Christmas presents before the big day, as we have a full car to travel up to my parents' house. This year Mrs J had a big box for me.

    So I opened it, and inside ... oh no, she's only gone and done it:

    https://www.lego.com/en-gb/technic/products/bucket-wheel-excavator-42055

    Nearly 4,000 pieces of Technics joy. The manual is about two centimetres thick ...

    Woohoo! :)
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Off-topic:

    We often open our Christmas presents before the big day, as we have a full car to travel up to my parents' house. This year Mrs J had a big box for me.

    So I opened it, and inside ... oh no, she's only gone and done it:

    https://www.lego.com/en-gb/technic/products/bucket-wheel-excavator-42055

    Nearly 4,000 pieces of Technics joy. The manual is about two centimetres thick ...

    Woohoo! :)

    Aren't you a bit young to be married?

    It says "12-16" on the box...
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "French interior minister Bruno Le Roux visited a Paris train station Friday morning to inspect security measures ahead of Christmas holidays. He said more than 91,000 police and military forces are deployed across the country."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/dec/23/berlin-market-attack-suspect-anis-amri-killed-in-milan-reports-say-live-coverage
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057
    edited December 2016
    Charles said:

    @TOPPING FPT

    EUGMP = European GMP

    Nothing to do with the European Union.

    You weren't muddling up the EU with Europe were you? Rookie error.

    So those EU directives mandating GMP are just there for fun?

    Somewhat related: All things being equal, do you think the UK would need to employ more civil servants inside or outside the EU?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,990
    Charles said:

    Off-topic:

    We often open our Christmas presents before the big day, as we have a full car to travel up to my parents' house. This year Mrs J had a big box for me.

    So I opened it, and inside ... oh no, she's only gone and done it:

    https://www.lego.com/en-gb/technic/products/bucket-wheel-excavator-42055

    Nearly 4,000 pieces of Technics joy. The manual is about two centimetres thick ...

    Woohoo! :)

    Aren't you a bit young to be married?

    It says "12-16" on the box...
    That's the IQ required. I'm not sure I reach it. ;)
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Fantastic present, Mr. Jessup, Aren't you the luck boy this year. Your Lady has certainly got your measure.
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    Off-topic:

    We often open our Christmas presents before the big day, as we have a full car to travel up to my parents' house. This year Mrs J had a big box for me.

    So I opened it, and inside ... oh no, she's only gone and done it:

    https://www.lego.com/en-gb/technic/products/bucket-wheel-excavator-42055

    Nearly 4,000 pieces of Technics joy. The manual is about two centimetres thick ...

    Woohoo! :)

    She must really love you. No way would I let my husband clutter up the house with that!
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited December 2016

    Charles said:

    @TOPPING FPT

    EUGMP = European GMP

    Nothing to do with the European Union.

    You weren't muddling up the EU with Europe were you? Rookie error.

    So those EU directives mandating GMP are just there for fun?

    Somewhat related: All things being equal, do you think the UK would need to employ more civil servants inside or outside the EU?
    Fewer than we do now, fewer than the EU as present. More than an optimally structured EU...

    And EUGMP is set by the EMA - your argument (such as it is) is circular
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057
    Charles said:

    And EUGMP is set by the EMA - your argument (such as it is) is circular

    Which is an EU agency, so not 'nothing to do with the EU' as you claimed.

    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:32004R0726
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    isamisam Posts: 40,922
    Christmas Quiz for Football fans

    Which 6 "Davids" have a Premier League Winners Medal?
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    "She must really love you. No way would I let my husband clutter up the house with that!"

    On the other hand, Ma'am, in return for having your house cluttered up, and probably your dining room table lost for three months, you get a happy and contented husband, who will not be straying or even disappearing off to the pub but who will be giving your child a boost to his intellectual development. I'd say it was a bargain.

    I just hope Mr. Jessup keeps us up to date with his construction. Some sort of illustrated diary would be good, Mr. J. A dedicated blog/website perhaps.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,577

    Off-topic:

    We often open our Christmas presents before the big day, as we have a full car to travel up to my parents' house. This year Mrs J had a big box for me.

    So I opened it, and inside ... oh no, she's only gone and done it:

    https://www.lego.com/en-gb/technic/products/bucket-wheel-excavator-42055

    Nearly 4,000 pieces of Technics joy. The manual is about two centimetres thick ...

    Woohoo! :)

    Epic !
    Ignore the naysayers.
    :-)
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    LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    edited December 2016

    "She must really love you. No way would I let my husband clutter up the house with that!"

    On the other hand, Ma'am, in return for having your house cluttered up, and probably your dining room table lost for three months, you get a happy and contented husband, who will not be straying or even disappearing off to the pub but who will be giving your child a boost to his intellectual development. I'd say it was a bargain.

    I just hope Mr. Jessup keeps us up to date with his construction. Some sort of illustrated diary would be good, Mr. J. A dedicated blog/website perhaps.

    Some of us actually want our husbands to disappear off to the pub...

    I have bought my husband a cadence sensor and heartrate monitor to go with the cycling GPS thingy he got for his birthday. He goes off out in his middle-aged man lycra for hours at a time. Then he spends hours on the computer, micro-monitoring his performance over each section of the route. Lovely peace and quiet at home ensues... it's great.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    isam said:

    Christmas Quiz for Football fans

    Which 6 "Davids" have a Premier League Winners Medal?

    De Gea, Platt, Beckham, May, Batty, Seaman
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    Miss Jones, must admit, I struggle with the exercise bike. Anything less than pretty fast and I get bored, but that also means it's easy to overdo it. And I'm surprisingly unfit for a skinny man.

    In the past when I'd gradually extended the distance cycled, I always ended up with Old Man Hip Syndrome and had to give it a rest, so I'm just doing six miles or so at a time now.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,922

    isam said:

    Christmas Quiz for Football fans

    Which 6 "Davids" have a Premier League Winners Medal?

    De Gea, Platt, Beckham, May, Batty, Seaman
    5/6
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    isam said:

    Christmas Quiz for Football fans

    Which 6 "Davids" have a Premier League Winners Medal?

    De Gea, Platt, Beckham, May, Batty, Seaman
    I've got someone wrong, there's no Silva..

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,893

    Off-topic:

    We often open our Christmas presents before the big day, as we have a full car to travel up to my parents' house. This year Mrs J had a big box for me.

    So I opened it, and inside ... oh no, she's only gone and done it:

    https://www.lego.com/en-gb/technic/products/bucket-wheel-excavator-42055

    Nearly 4,000 pieces of Technics joy. The manual is about two centimetres thick ...

    Woohoo! :)

    That's awesome! Someone is going to have a very enjoyable next few weeks ;)
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited December 2016
    David Luiz in place of de gea

    I don't remember May
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,893
    LucyJones said:

    "She must really love you. No way would I let my husband clutter up the house with that!"

    On the other hand, Ma'am, in return for having your house cluttered up, and probably your dining room table lost for three months, you get a happy and contented husband, who will not be straying or even disappearing off to the pub but who will be giving your child a boost to his intellectual development. I'd say it was a bargain.

    I just hope Mr. Jessup keeps us up to date with his construction. Some sort of illustrated diary would be good, Mr. J. A dedicated blog/website perhaps.

    Some of us actually want our husbands to disappear off to the pub...

    I have bought my husband a cadence sensor and heartrate monitor to go with the cycling GPS thingy he got for his birthday. He goes off out in his middle-aged man lycra for hours at a time. Then he spends hours on the computer, micro-monitoring his performance over each section of the route. Lovely peace and quiet at home ensues... it's great.
    Are you sure he's not cycling to the nearest pub, then cycling back home three hours later - or is it just me that would do that?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,922
    edited December 2016

    isam said:

    Christmas Quiz for Football fans

    Which 6 "Davids" have a Premier League Winners Medal?

    De Gea, Platt, Beckham, May, Batty, Seaman
    I've got someone wrong, there's no Silva..

    Yes you have got them all now. Batty didn't get a medal as he only played 5 games when Blackburn won it
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    @ Mr Jessop

    It only takes 25 minutes to put together ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Jg1ua-GvM
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    isam said:

    Christmas Quiz for Football fans

    Which 6 "Davids" have a Premier League Winners Medal?

    De Gea, Platt, Beckham, May, Batty, Seaman
    I've got someone wrong, there's no Silva..

    Oh.. Batty left Blackburn before they won, him out Silva in
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,990
    LucyJones said:

    Off-topic:

    We often open our Christmas presents before the big day, as we have a full car to travel up to my parents' house. This year Mrs J had a big box for me.

    So I opened it, and inside ... oh no, she's only gone and done it:

    https://www.lego.com/en-gb/technic/products/bucket-wheel-excavator-42055

    Nearly 4,000 pieces of Technics joy. The manual is about two centimetres thick ...

    Woohoo! :)

    She must really love you. No way would I let my husband clutter up the house with that!
    "Clutter up?" Ms Jones. "Clutter up?"

    It is a vital tool for my mental wellbeing in the year ahead. Besides, I think she's just glad that I haven't got into model railways ... :)
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,546

    A good month for the Pointing-at-Potholes Party.

    Until the LibDems have to try and convince people to rejoin the EU, take on the Euro, join the EU-Army, and generally show themselves to be connected to reality by a wisp of ectoplasm....

    Not gonna happen sorry Mark! A Christmas present too far methinks. However thanks for the grudging recognition it's been a good end of year for the LDs. The season of goodwill so I hope all is well at Marquee Towers.
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    Mr. Jessop, isn't the actual vehicle that Lego is based on the largest land vehicle ever made?

    I don't have the link any more, but NASA puts (or put) a wallpaper picture out every day, and one of them was of that digger. It was crossing the road, which entailed a prolonged wait for the miniscule cars trying to make a journey.
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,546
    isam said:

    Christmas Quiz for Football fans

    Which 6 "Davids" have a Premier League Winners Medal?

    Clearly not right but I was expecting a twist where one of the answers was "Edgar" too cryptic even for PB!

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    Mr. Jessop, isn't the actual vehicle that Lego is based on the largest land vehicle ever made?

    I don't have the link any more, but NASA puts (or put) a wallpaper picture out every day, and one of them was of that digger. It was crossing the road, which entailed a prolonged wait for the miniscule cars trying to make a journey.

    Yup. Bagger 288. I was lucky enough to witness it being driven from one open-cast mine to another in the Rhineland in 2001. An epic sight!

    image
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,990

    "She must really love you. No way would I let my husband clutter up the house with that!"

    On the other hand, Ma'am, in return for having your house cluttered up, and probably your dining room table lost for three months, you get a happy and contented husband, who will not be straying or even disappearing off to the pub but who will be giving your child a boost to his intellectual development. I'd say it was a bargain.

    I just hope Mr. Jessup keeps us up to date with his construction. Some sort of illustrated diary would be good, Mr. J. A dedicated blog/website perhaps.

    I've already finished the dumper truck that comes with it, and the rolling chassis for the main machine. Lots of photos taken. :)

    Some advantages from having finished wrapping presents a few days back, and having the little 'un in the nursery today. It's also the first time I've properly played with Lego for 25 years, so it's a bit of fun regression.

    It is a really good model. The instructions are exemplary, the organisation of the bits superb, and everything just works. It's also *massive*.
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    Mr. Enjineeya, looks Star Warstastic. :)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Mr. Jessop, isn't the actual vehicle that Lego is based on the largest land vehicle ever made?

    I don't have the link any more, but NASA puts (or put) a wallpaper picture out every day, and one of them was of that digger. It was crossing the road, which entailed a prolonged wait for the miniscule cars trying to make a journey.

    Yup. Bagger 288. I was lucky enough to witness it being driven from one open-cast mine to another in the Rhineland in 2001. An epic sight!

    image
    Does it run on petrol ?
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    Theresa May is increasingly isolated and alienating key colleagues, officials tell Bloomberg

    https://t.co/zSKSU5qnwI https://t.co/WgjKJbjQQ1
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2016
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    Speedy said:

    Mr. Jessop, isn't the actual vehicle that Lego is based on the largest land vehicle ever made?

    I don't have the link any more, but NASA puts (or put) a wallpaper picture out every day, and one of them was of that digger. It was crossing the road, which entailed a prolonged wait for the miniscule cars trying to make a journey.

    Yup. Bagger 288. I was lucky enough to witness it being driven from one open-cast mine to another in the Rhineland in 2001. An epic sight!

    image
    Does it run on petrol ?
    I wouldn't fancy the job of being the guy with the grease gun.
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    TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    edited December 2016
    Speedy said:
    At some point, Trump is going to have to realise that whilst he may be a novice at this being in charge stuff, a lot of world leadesr aren't.
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    Speedy said:

    Mr. Jessop, isn't the actual vehicle that Lego is based on the largest land vehicle ever made?

    I don't have the link any more, but NASA puts (or put) a wallpaper picture out every day, and one of them was of that digger. It was crossing the road, which entailed a prolonged wait for the miniscule cars trying to make a journey.

    Yup. Bagger 288. I was lucky enough to witness it being driven from one open-cast mine to another in the Rhineland in 2001. An epic sight!

    image
    Does it run on petrol ?
    I'm not sure, but I think it's driven by electric motors supplied with power from the mains. I think it was capable of about 1/2 a mile an hour or something like that.

    Normally they'd be dismantled once their job is done at one site, but this time they decided to drive this one from one site to another nearby site. Even that required huge amounts of planning, such as taking down power lines and build earth ramps over roads. Loads of people turned out to watch it on its way. 13,500 tons of mobile machine isn't something you see every day!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2016

    Speedy said:
    At some point, Trump is going to have to realise that whilst he may be a noive ar this being in charge stuff, a lot of world leader aren't.
    I was thinking more like this absurdity, regarding Trump's nuclear arms race announcements on a cozy TV morning show with the hosts dressed in pajamas:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1QVthvDhPo
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    If May is under internal pressure from the PCP, I wonder if *that* might prove an electoral catalyst.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    Charles said:

    And EUGMP is set by the EMA - your argument (such as it is) is circular

    Which is an EU agency, so not 'nothing to do with the EU' as you claimed.

    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:32004R0726
    Interestingly current EU GMP is pretty much based on the framework laid down in the UK's 1968 Medicines Act. It's referred to in the business as the Orange Book because that was the original colour. A good example of how the UK was able to have a lot of international influence as a result of the EU.

    The idea that the UK is being held back by oppressive EU regulations imposed on us by dictatorial faceless bureaucrats is so removed from reality as I've experienced it that I find it hard to imagine that anyone who believes has any experience of the world at all.

    But I don't want to sound like a bitter remoaner. Can someone can point out a regulation that we can get rid of that will make us better off to compensate for what we are losing. That would make me feel better.

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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,990
    Speedy said:

    Mr. Jessop, isn't the actual vehicle that Lego is based on the largest land vehicle ever made?

    I don't have the link any more, but NASA puts (or put) a wallpaper picture out every day, and one of them was of that digger. It was crossing the road, which entailed a prolonged wait for the miniscule cars trying to make a journey.

    Yup. Bagger 288. I was lucky enough to witness it being driven from one open-cast mine to another in the Rhineland in 2001. An epic sight!

    image
    Does it run on petrol ?
    Vehicles that size run on environmentalists' tears ... :)
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,577
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,990

    Speedy said:

    Mr. Jessop, isn't the actual vehicle that Lego is based on the largest land vehicle ever made?

    I don't have the link any more, but NASA puts (or put) a wallpaper picture out every day, and one of them was of that digger. It was crossing the road, which entailed a prolonged wait for the miniscule cars trying to make a journey.

    Yup. Bagger 288. I was lucky enough to witness it being driven from one open-cast mine to another in the Rhineland in 2001. An epic sight!

    image
    Does it run on petrol ?
    I wouldn't fancy the job of being the guy with the grease gun.
    As I was taught when I were a nipper: you must always grease your nipples daily. :)
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,605
    Right, Christmas has started - I've just opened a bottle of malt.

    Season's Greetings to all of my fellow PBers, whether left or right, leave or remain.
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    Right, Christmas has started - I've just opened a bottle of malt.

    Season's Greetings to all of my fellow PBers, whether left or right, leave or remain.

    The same to you, Sandy.
    PB should have a Christmas amnesty.
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    Mr. Stopper, surely a football match?
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    "Are you sure he's not cycling to the nearest pub, then cycling back home three hours later - or is it just me that would do that?"

    Nah, it is not just you. It is quite a common attitude amongst men albeit in different circumstances. For example when I gave up salaried employment Herself insisted that I could use some of my new "free time" to work on the allotment and I did. I would go to the allotment work like mad for an hour and then go to the pub until it was time to go home for tea.

    The most outrageous of this sort of man behaviour that I ever came across was on old pal of mine whose wife decided that he should "get fit". So each evening after coming home from work he would change into running costume and, with cigarettes, lighter, cash and reading glasses carefully concealed, would jog to the pub. There he would read the evening paper, drink a couple of pints with accompanying smokes, before jogging back. The great thing about his system is that he was gradually able to extend it - as he got "fitter" he needed a longer run so he could stay out for a third pint. I never made up my mind as to whether his wife, who was no fool, actually believed him or was just glad to have him out of the house for a bit longer each day.
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    Mr. Stopper, surely a football match?

    I've gone off football over the past few years. Let's just go to the bar and have a drink. lots of drink.

    This is the first year in a very long time that my shifts fall right, and I'm actually not back to work until the 27th. It feels really strange actually planning a proper Christmas (not withstanding taking into account of a few close relatives about to fall off the perch due to cancer!)
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869

    Right, Christmas has started - I've just opened a bottle of malt.

    Season's Greetings to all of my fellow PBers, whether left or right, leave or remain.

    The same to you, Sandy.
    PB should have a Christmas amnesty.
    At what time on Christmas Day will the Official Annual Joke be posted, do we know, or is it a surprise?

    Good evening, everyone.
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    Good evening, Miss JGP.

    Mr. Stopper, a few of my relatives are in precarious shape too.

    Personally not a footballist. Two hundred miles per hour too slow.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Good evening, Miss JGP.

    The absolute timing of the Kipper Tie Joke is, I think, variable depending on how Mr. Putney is doing in the present/family stakes. It usually occurs mid morning, but we hopefully will have the crossword to sustain us until then.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    @Morris_Dancer for the NASA wallpaper every day, were you thinking of Astronomy Picture of the Day

    https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,546
    edited December 2016

    Charles said:

    And EUGMP is set by the EMA - your argument (such as it is) is circular

    Which is an EU agency, so not 'nothing to do with the EU' as you claimed.

    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:32004R0726
    Interestingly current EU GMP is pretty much based on the framework laid down in the UK's 1968 Medicines Act. It's referred to in the business as the Orange Book because that was the original colour. A good example of how the UK was able to have a lot of international influence as a result of the EU.

    The idea that the UK is being held back by oppressive EU regulations imposed on us by dictatorial faceless bureaucrats is so removed from reality as I've experienced it that I find it hard to imagine that anyone who believes has any experience of the world at all.

    But I don't want to sound like a bitter remoaner. Can someone can point out a regulation that we can get rid of that will make us better off to compensate for what we are losing. That would make me feel better.


    I'd start with the daft rules about cookie notifications on websites.
    Then move onto co-ordinated internal VAT regulations.

    Even as someone generally supportive of the EU (and certainly more international co-operation) it's not hard to find places the EU has over-stretched and lost sight of subsidiarity. Not sure that saying there are no daft EU rules will persuade any non-believers.
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    Mr. D, thanks, that's the fellow.

    Anyway, must be off before my eyes go even fuzzier.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    Nigelb said:
    Walks like fascism, talks like fascism...
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Theresa May is increasingly isolated and alienating key colleagues, officials tell Bloomberg

    https://t.co/zSKSU5qnwI https://t.co/WgjKJbjQQ1

    Meanwhile she continues to be 10-15% ahead in most opinion polls.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962

    Mr. D, thanks, that's the fellow.

    Anyway, must be off before my eyes go even fuzzier.

    Consider it my Christmas gift to you. ;)
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    "Are you sure he's not cycling to the nearest pub, then cycling back home three hours later - or is it just me that would do that?"

    Nah, it is not just you. It is quite a common attitude amongst men albeit in different circumstances. For example when I gave up salaried employment Herself insisted that I could use some of my new "free time" to work on the allotment and I did. I would go to the allotment work like mad for an hour and then go to the pub until it was time to go home for tea.

    The most outrageous of this sort of man behaviour that I ever came across was on old pal of mine whose wife decided that he should "get fit". So each evening after coming home from work he would change into running costume and, with cigarettes, lighter, cash and reading glasses carefully concealed, would jog to the pub. There he would read the evening paper, drink a couple of pints with accompanying smokes, before jogging back. The great thing about his system is that he was gradually able to extend it - as he got "fitter" he needed a longer run so he could stay out for a third pint. I never made up my mind as to whether his wife, who was no fool, actually believed him or was just glad to have him out of the house for a bit longer each day.

    A Catholic guy I used to work with "went to Mass" religiously, as it were, every Sunday. Strangely, the times of "Mass" differed from those posted on the church notice board outside, but exactly matched those of the local pub opening hours. He was never entirely sure whether his mum knew or not (he was only in his early twenties, so still living at home).

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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,376

    What is a politician doing interfering with police business?

    Faking the news.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    edited December 2016


    RobD said:
    Faking the news.
    Something is seriously screwed up if they were more concerned with the privacy of the prime suspect of a major terrorist incident, than of getting his image out as fast as possible in order to find him before he does anything else.

    Something else that is seriously screwed up is your quotes :o .. that's better.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,961

    Charles said:

    And EUGMP is set by the EMA - your argument (such as it is) is circular

    Which is an EU agency, so not 'nothing to do with the EU' as you claimed.

    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:32004R0726
    Interestingly current EU GMP is pretty much based on the framework laid down in the UK's 1968 Medicines Act. It's referred to in the business as the Orange Book because that was the original colour. A good example of how the UK was able to have a lot of international influence as a result of the EU.

    The idea that the UK is being held back by oppressive EU regulations imposed on us by dictatorial faceless bureaucrats is so removed from reality as I've experienced it that I find it hard to imagine that anyone who believes has any experience of the world at all.

    But I don't want to sound like a bitter remoaner. Can someone can point out a regulation that we can get rid of that will make us better off to compensate for what we are losing. That would make me feel better.

    I would point to the VAT rules, which were designed to stop Amazon billing digital stuff from Luxembourg (5% VAT) and shipping DVDs from Guernsey and to avoid VAT, ended up causing small businesses a huge amount of hassle.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    LucyJones said:

    "Are you sure he's not cycling to the nearest pub, then cycling back home three hours later - or is it just me that would do that?"

    Nah, it is not just you. It is quite a common attitude amongst men albeit in different circumstances. For example when I gave up salaried employment Herself insisted that I could use some of my new "free time" to work on the allotment and I did. I would go to the allotment work like mad for an hour and then go to the pub until it was time to go home for tea.

    The most outrageous of this sort of man behaviour that I ever came across was on old pal of mine whose wife decided that he should "get fit". So each evening after coming home from work he would change into running costume and, with cigarettes, lighter, cash and reading glasses carefully concealed, would jog to the pub. There he would read the evening paper, drink a couple of pints with accompanying smokes, before jogging back. The great thing about his system is that he was gradually able to extend it - as he got "fitter" he needed a longer run so he could stay out for a third pint. I never made up my mind as to whether his wife, who was no fool, actually believed him or was just glad to have him out of the house for a bit longer each day.

    A Catholic guy I used to work with "went to Mass" religiously, as it were, every Sunday. Strangely, the times of "Mass" differed from those posted on the church notice board outside, but exactly matched those of the local pub opening hours. He was never entirely sure whether his mum knew or not (he was only in his early twenties, so still living at home).

    A rather portly colleague of mine was put on a diet by his wife. He meekly ate his breKfast grapefruit, but would arrive at the hospital in time for "an early ward round" each day. He would have the full english fry up in the canteen, then go to his usual duties.

    So much is fairly common, but I did like his justification. "When on a diet it is very bad manners to lose more weight than your wife!".

    I have of course copied his excellent manners ever since ;-)
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,990
    edited December 2016
    RobD said:

    Something is seriously screwed up if they were more concerned with the privacy of the prime suspect of a major terrorist incident, than of getting his image out as fast as possible in order to find him before he does anything else.

    The Germans generally seem to take privacy rather seriously: I don't think Google Streetview coverage in Germany is high as the government sued Google over images of peoples' houses. Google offered opt-outs and got inundated with hundreds of thousands of requests.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    @JosiasJessop if it was found his privacy was breached, he could have enjoyed his compensation from within the prison cell he would have undoubtedly spent the rest of his life in. Moot now because he is dead.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,990
    RobD said:

    @JosiasJessop if it was found his privacy was breached, he could have enjoyed his compensation from within the prison cell he would have undoubtedly spent the rest of his life in. Moot now because he is dead.

    I don't disagree.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,376
    edited December 2016
    "Something is seriously screwed up if they were more concerned with the privacy of the prime suspect of a major terrorist incident, than of getting his image out as fast as possible in order to find him before he does anything else."

    It is much more important that the rabble are given GoodFacts, not WrongFacts. Otherwise they might act Wrongly.

    For example, the ethnicity of the scumbag who stabbed a Muslim for being a muslim was a WrongFact.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,893
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    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    And EUGMP is set by the EMA - your argument (such as it is) is circular

    Which is an EU agency, so not 'nothing to do with the EU' as you claimed.

    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:32004R0726
    Interestingly current EU GMP is pretty much based on the framework laid down in the UK's 1968 Medicines Act. It's referred to in the business as the Orange Book because that was the original colour. A good example of how the UK was able to have a lot of international influence as a result of the EU.

    The idea that the UK is being held back by oppressive EU regulations imposed on us by dictatorial faceless bureaucrats is so removed from reality as I've experienced it that I find it hard to imagine that anyone who believes has any experience of the world at all.

    But I don't want to sound like a bitter remoaner. Can someone can point out a regulation that we can get rid of that will make us better off to compensate for what we are losing. That would make me feel better.

    I would point to the VAT rules, which were designed to stop Amazon billing digital stuff from Luxembourg (5% VAT) and shipping DVDs from Guernsey and to avoid VAT, ended up causing small businesses a huge amount of hassle.
    As a sole trader selling services to a regular clientele mostly based in EU countries, I can't say I find the VAT rules particularly onerous. The ECSL takes me just a few minutes each quarter to complete. Somehow, I doubt that whatever system replaces it will be less hassle.
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    Sean_F said:

    The respective parties' vote share suggests the Conservatives will retain a big lead in County Councils next year.

    Buckinghamshire County Council has been under continuous Conservative control for over 130 years, longer than any government in the world has been continuously controlled by the same party.
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    Mr. Stopper, surely a football match?


    Could Corbyn kick the ball into an empty net?

    Just asking.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,893
    Copeland market seems to have settled down for now, with £17k matched in three days. Con a shade under evens and Lab 6/4.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/#/politics/event/28056513/market?marketId=1.128848952
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    LucyJones said:

    "Are you sure he's not cycling to the nearest pub, then cycling back home three hours later - or is it just me that would do that?"

    Nah, it is not just you. It is quite a common attitude amongst men albeit in different circumstances. For example when I gave up salaried employment Herself insisted that I could use some of my new "free time" to work on the allotment and I did. I would go to the allotment work like mad for an hour and then go to the pub until it was time to go home for tea.

    The most outrageous of this sort of man behaviour that I ever came across was on old pal of mine whose wife decided that he should "get fit". So each evening after coming home from work he would change into running costume and, with cigarettes, lighter, cash and reading glasses carefully concealed, would jog to the pub. There he would read the evening paper, drink a couple of pints with accompanying smokes, before jogging back. The great thing about his system is that he was gradually able to extend it - as he got "fitter" he needed a longer run so he could stay out for a third pint. I never made up my mind as to whether his wife, who was no fool, actually believed him or was just glad to have him out of the house for a bit longer each day.

    A Catholic guy I used to work with "went to Mass" religiously, as it were, every Sunday. Strangely, the times of "Mass" differed from those posted on the church notice board outside, but exactly matched those of the local pub opening hours. He was never entirely sure whether his mum knew or not (he was only in his early twenties, so still living at home).

    There was a movie - possibly directed by Woody Allen - in which a guy went out jogging after dining with his wife, but only as far as his girlfriend's apartment, where he was obliged to eat dinner all over again. The more he jogged the fatter he got.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    Speedy said:
    At some point, Trump is going to have to realise that whilst he may be a novice at this being in charge stuff, a lot of world leadesr aren't.
    The cretins on here tell me that everybody knows he's joking. I'd suggest there's a matching of intellects.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    Right, Christmas has started - I've just opened a bottle of malt.

    Season's Greetings to all of my fellow PBers, whether left or right, leave or remain.

    You mean you don't keep them open at all times. Checks Highland Park supplies....
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    matt said:

    Right, Christmas has started - I've just opened a bottle of malt.

    Season's Greetings to all of my fellow PBers, whether left or right, leave or remain.

    You mean you don't keep them open at all times. Checks Highland Park supplies....
    Dodged Christmas shifts again, let the Gluttony and Bachannalia commence!
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Mr. Stopper, surely a football match?


    Could Corbyn kick the ball into an empty net?

    Just asking.
    Almost certainly ......as long as it was his own sides net of course.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    "Checks Highland Park supplies...."

    A very fair whisky, not especially to my tastes but well worth ensuring you have enough in stock over this difficult period when merchants are shut for days on end and thirsty visitors are more likely to appear on the doorstep than usual.

    I am pleased to confirm that the Llama household has enough of The Grouse and of The Laphroaig to see it through the most demanding of Christmas seasons, along with ample stocks of ladies' drinks.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    matt said:

    Right, Christmas has started - I've just opened a bottle of malt.

    Season's Greetings to all of my fellow PBers, whether left or right, leave or remain.

    You mean you don't keep them open at all times. Checks Highland Park supplies....
    Dodged Christmas shifts again, let the Gluttony and Bachannalia commence!
    My father always worked Christmas Day: patients seem able to contain their urgent problems until St Stephen's day.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,376
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4062202/Is-Berlin-killer-posing-child-entered-Europe-Tunisian-refugee-believed-Anis-Amri-pictured-newly-arrived-migrants-dock-Italy-s-island-hope-2011.html

    hmmmm

    I really think it is quite nice that the gentleman in question had an iPhone. It shows that the terrible "Digital Divide" that forced our noble political representatives to purchase iPhones and iPads on expenses has been closed.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    matt said:

    matt said:

    Right, Christmas has started - I've just opened a bottle of malt.

    Season's Greetings to all of my fellow PBers, whether left or right, leave or remain.

    You mean you don't keep them open at all times. Checks Highland Park supplies....
    Dodged Christmas shifts again, let the Gluttony and Bachannalia commence!
    My father always worked Christmas Day: patients seem able to contain their urgent problems until St Stephen's day.
    When I have worked it in the past, we would just timeshift the whole Christmas by a week. Turkey, crackers, presents and all.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    SeanT said:

    matt said:

    Right, Christmas has started - I've just opened a bottle of malt.

    Season's Greetings to all of my fellow PBers, whether left or right, leave or remain.

    You mean you don't keep them open at all times. Checks Highland Park supplies....
    I've got a bottle of the Highland Park 18 year old. That's some scotch whisky, right there.

    I also have 14 bottles of champagne (I just checked, because I was nervous) and about 400 bottles of red. Should be OK til Boxing Day, though I may replenish tomorrow.
    On Christmas Day I shall enjoy the last of my 2 annual alcoholic drinks. Usually I have two small glasses of Tio Pepe, one on New Year's Day, one on Christmas Day. I'm a regular drinker.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    "Checks Highland Park supplies...."

    A very fair whisky, not especially to my tastes but well worth ensuring you have enough in stock over this difficult period when merchants are shut for days on end and thirsty visitors are more likely to appear on the doorstep than usual.

    I am pleased to confirm that the Llama household has enough of The Grouse and of The Laphroaig to see it through the most demanding of Christmas seasons, along with ample stocks of ladies' drinks.

    Highland Park is oddly named, given that Orkney is fairly flat and that the distillery is not in a park, and pretty much at sea level.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    matt said:

    matt said:

    Right, Christmas has started - I've just opened a bottle of malt.

    Season's Greetings to all of my fellow PBers, whether left or right, leave or remain.

    You mean you don't keep them open at all times. Checks Highland Park supplies....
    Dodged Christmas shifts again, let the Gluttony and Bachannalia commence!
    My father always worked Christmas Day: patients seem able to contain their urgent problems until St Stephen's day.
    When I have worked it in the past, we would just timeshift the whole Christmas by a week. Turkey, crackers, presents and all.
    When I was away at sea we did that often sometimes by a month or more. Have to admit the presents, but for one or two did not go the distance and an extra cracker box had to be purchased and hidden.

    I reflect that my youngest daughter was 6 years old before I actually got a Christmas at home with her. Such was the life of a mariner however it was what you did, you bore it with silent fortitude though considerable sadness. Made up for it since though.
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