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Sandhill on Sunderland caused by the resignation of the sitting Labour councillor for non attendance Result of council at last election (2016): Labour 67, Conservatives 6, Liberal Democrat 1, Independent 1 (Labour majority of 59) Result of ward at last election (2015): Labour 2,121 (55%), UKIP 1,003 (26%), Conservative 607 (16%), Liberal Democrat 135 (4%) EU Referendum Result (2016): REMAIN 51,930 (39%) LEAVE 82,394 (61%) on a turnout of 65% Candidates duly nominated: Bryan Foster (UKIP), Helmut Izaks (Green), Stephen O’Brien (Lib Dem), Gary Waller (Lab), Gavin Wilson (Con) Weather at the close of poll: Cloudy but dry, 1°C Estimate: Lab HOLD

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Sunil_Prasannan

Rogue One!

foxinsoxuk

Second rate, like the PM.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

2nd edit 3rd

TGOHF

LD nailed on to gain 3 Rivers surely - Lab collapse and Kipper nibbling the blue core vote.

Pulpstar

Big night for the Lib Dems in 3 rivers ahead.

AnneJGP

Thank you, Harry; all your hard work is very much appreciated.

Good evening, everyone (again).

JosiasJessop

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Morris_Dancer

Cheers, Mr. Hayfield.

Sunil_Prasannan

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Gade Valley contains the M25 viaduct passing over the West Coast Main Line north of Watford

Philip_Thompson

Thank you Harry, very interesting and love the additions. Interesting that you forecast the Lib Dems gaining a whole council tonight. I suspect you're right.

SimonStClare

Mr Hayfield, we rarely fallout, but on this occasion I really must draw the line. Those garish pink borders are quite ghastly. - Apart from that, a sterling effort as usual.

rkrkrk

Thanks for the post. I like both the weather and the prediction.

MarkSenior

LD gain in Three Rivers will also gain them overall control of the council .

foxinsoxuk

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

JosiasJessop

Sunil_Prasannan said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Gade Valley contains the M25 viaduct passing over the West Coast Main Line north of Watford

And the Grand Union Canal!

The head office of a company I used to work for was based *just* within. Fortunately I spent most of my time in Cambridge instead of making the long trek south.

Park_Town_Boy

I'm predicting a big win for the Lib Dems in Gade Valley :-)

I suspect they could get a good rise in support in Sunderland too.

JosiasJessop

foxinsoxuk said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

I'm probably a little sad to admit this, but I can spend as long studying *one* OS Map as I do reading a novel. If I don't know an area then I'll try to imagine the lie of the land, and if I've walked in it I'll recall the walk and dream up new ones.

I just love everything about them.

foxinsoxuk

BBCQT looks likd fruicake night with Aaron Banks and Paul Mason. Gisela Stuart too, so a panel leaning to red Brexit.

Sunil_Prasannan

JosiasJessop said:

foxinsoxuk said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

I'm probably a little sad to admit this, but I can spend as long studying *one* OS Map as I do reading a novel. If I don't know an area then I'll try to imagine the lie of the land, and if I've walked in it I'll recall the walk and dream up new ones.

I just love everything about them.

I've only "read" SK Baker's Railway Atlas of Great Britain and Ireland over the last 18 months

TOPPING

fpt

View_From_Cumbria said:

Barbara Cannon lost her CCC seat in 2013 because of an internal Labour dispute to a de-selected Labour candidate standing as an Independent. She was Labour candidate in Penrith and the Border in ? 2010. I like her as a person, very new Labour when I knew her - had lunch in 10 Downing Street with the Blairs.

The two best, Tim Knowles and David Southward haven't made it through to the last four.

My contacts rate Gillian Troughton but not Rachael Holliday - I don't know either of them.

If you're still reading, why did the two blokes not get through to the last four?

nunu

JosiasJessop said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Gade Valley contains the M25 viaduct passing over the West Coast Main Line north of Watford

And the Grand Union Canal!

The head office of a company I used to work for was based *just* within. Fortunately I spent most of my time in Cambridge instead of making the long trek south.

When I was young I used to think hmmm let me ride along the grand union canal to the end of it on my bike.....didn't know how long it was then. (I live in Perivale, North west London).

isam

Essex Paedo ring discovered

https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/819594576843444224

JosiasJessop

nunu said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Gade Valley contains the M25 viaduct passing over the West Coast Main Line north of Watford

And the Grand Union Canal!

The head office of a company I used to work for was based *just* within. Fortunately I spent most of my time in Cambridge instead of making the long trek south.

When I was young I used to think hmmm let me ride along the grand union canal to the end of it on my bike.....didn't know how long it was then. (I live in Perivale, North west London).

I've walked it all at least twice, and some of it many times.

What actually constitutes the Grand Union Canal often comprises me; it's a mix of routes and even widths (mainly broad, but with some narrow bits in London and Brum). Then you get the various branches, such as the Leicester branch.

There used to be some magnificent industrial canalside wharfage buildings in London. One I loved just north of Mile End was demolished a few years ago, and there was a truly atmospheric one near Brentford: I'd be amazed if that's still extant given the land values in that area.

Scott_P

nunu said:

When I was young I used to think hmmm let me ride along the grand union canal to the end of it on my bike.....didn't know how long it was then. (I live in Perivale, North west London).

I walked part of it last weekend.

MarkSenior

Mot sure about Harry's weather forecast from Gade Valley . My man on the ground says rain all day turned to snow at 5 ish .

AlastairMeeks

Strange and disturbing story for the day:

https://twitter.com/benjaminhaddad/status/819603147391926272

tpfkar

nunu said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Gade Valley contains the M25 viaduct passing over the West Coast Main Line north of Watford

And the Grand Union Canal!

The head office of a company I used to work for was based *just* within. Fortunately I spent most of my time in Cambridge instead of making the long trek south.

When I was young I used to think hmmm let me ride along the grand union canal to the end of it on my bike.....didn't know how long it was then. (I live in Perivale, North west London).

My council ward contains something like 7km of the Grand Union canal, and a very beautiful stretch as well. wave when you are passing!

kjh

Haven't seen you post here for a long time Park Town Boy. I equally have been absent (but lurking) for many years since my days of regularly posting. Still wondering about your identity after you subtletly outed me on here all those years ago!

MarkSenior

It appears that the Sheffield City Regional Mayoral contest due to take place in May has been postponed because of lack of consultation with electors in Chesterfield . It may in fact never take place as proposal of a Greater Yorkshire mayor instead has been resurrected .

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/evanoconnell/status/819637402054651904

foxinsoxuk

TOPPING said:

fpt

View_From_Cumbria said:

Barbara Cannon lost her CCC seat in 2013 because of an internal Labour dispute to a de-selected Labour candidate standing as an Independent. She was Labour candidate in Penrith and the Border in ? 2010. I like her as a person, very new Labour when I knew her - had lunch in 10 Downing Street with the Blairs.

The two best, Tim Knowles and David Southward haven't made it through to the last four.

My contacts rate Gillian Troughton but not Rachael Holliday - I don't know either of them.

If you're still reading, why did the two blokes not get through to the last four?

VFC is a Tory, the reasons that he may like the candidates may match neither Labour nor voters!

dr_spyn

Labour shortlist in Copeland down to 3.

http://labourlist.org/2017/01/labour-members-to-pick-from-three-women-for-copeland-by-election/

Anorak

No one commented on the seriously odd-shaped wards in the second map? Looks dodgy as f*ck to me.

TOPPING

foxinsoxuk said:

TOPPING said:

fpt

View_From_Cumbria said:

Barbara Cannon lost her CCC seat in 2013 because of an internal Labour dispute to a de-selected Labour candidate standing as an Independent. She was Labour candidate in Penrith and the Border in ? 2010. I like her as a person, very new Labour when I knew her - had lunch in 10 Downing Street with the Blairs.

The two best, Tim Knowles and David Southward haven't made it through to the last four.

My contacts rate Gillian Troughton but not Rachael Holliday - I don't know either of them.

If you're still reading, why did the two blokes not get through to the last four?

VFC is a Tory, the reasons that he may like the candidates may match neither Labour nor voters!

I don't mind hearing what a Tory has to say about things.

foxinsoxuk

TOPPING said:

foxinsoxuk said:

TOPPING said:

fpt

View_From_Cumbria said:

Barbara Cannon lost her CCC seat in 2013 because of an internal Labour dispute to a de-selected Labour candidate standing as an Independent. She was Labour candidate in Penrith and the Border in ? 2010. I like her as a person, very new Labour when I knew her - had lunch in 10 Downing Street with the Blairs.

The two best, Tim Knowles and David Southward haven't made it through to the last four.

My contacts rate Gillian Troughton but not Rachael Holliday - I don't know either of them.

If you're still reading, why did the two blokes not get through to the last four?

VFC is a Tory, the reasons that he may like the candidates may match neither Labour nor voters!

I don't mind hearing what a Tory has to say about things.

Sure, but does need a few caveats.

MikeSmithson

Glad people like the maps which are my addition and follow what we've been doing with Westminster by-elections.

I like the additional info from Harry as well.

bigjohnowls

dr_spyn said:

Labour shortlist in Copeland down to 3.

http://labourlist.org/2017/01/labour-members-to-pick-from-three-women-for-copeland-by-election/

Rachel Holiday Cumbria’s woman of the year in 2015. Is Corbyns preferred candidate

Holliday founded Time to Change in west Cumbria, a social enterprise that tackles homelessness, and Calderwood House hostel for the homeless. She also set up a local homeless football team, telling the local press she had a passion for the issue having been homeless herself during her teenage years.

Carolus_Rex

SeanT said:

State of this Remoaner fuckwit. A university lecturer who refuses to be friends with any Leaver, as they are EVIL

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/01/12/i-can-t-reach-out-to-brexiters-anymore-they-re-destroying-th

Imagine you were a Leave voter and he was your professor.

Stating the obvious I suppose but being unfriended by this utter tit wouldn't be any loss.

OldKingCole

Anorak said:

No one commented on the seriously odd-shaped wards in the second map? Looks dodgy as f*ck to me.

You wouldn't need those with STV. AV wouldn't make any difference, though.

Verulamius

The Three Rivers ward boundaries were revised in 2013.

This is the final report of the local boundary commission - it would appear that there was some debate about the three Abbot Langley wards.

https://www.lgbce.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/14886/threerivers-finalrecs-report-2013-10-22.pdf

SouthamObserver

SeanT said:

JosiasJessop said:

foxinsoxuk said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

I'm probably a little sad to admit this, but I can spend as long studying *one* OS Map as I do reading a novel. If I don't know an area then I'll try to imagine the lie of the land, and if I've walked in it I'll recall the walk and dream up new ones.

I just love everything about them.

I adored atlases as a kid. I used to ogle them for hours, imagining these exotic places. For some reason Siberia in particular fascinated me. I am happy to say that I have now visited Novosibirsk, Irkutsk and Vladivostok, and crossed the raging torrents of the Yenesei. The Gulf of Ob still eludes me, however.

I have a 1912 atlas. The European maps, especially, are fascinating: the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottamans, Germany in Alsace Lorraine and, of course, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. All gone just 10 years later.

Mortimer

Thanks Harry!

Alanbrooke

SouthamObserver said:

SeanT said:

JosiasJessop said:

foxinsoxuk said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

I'm probably a little sad to admit this, but I can spend as long studying *one* OS Map as I do reading a novel. If I don't know an area then I'll try to imagine the lie of the land, and if I've walked in it I'll recall the walk and dream up new ones.

I just love everything about them.

I adored atlases as a kid. I used to ogle them for hours, imagining these exotic places. For some reason Siberia in particular fascinated me. I am happy to say that I have now visited Novosibirsk, Irkutsk and Vladivostok, and crossed the raging torrents of the Yenesei. The Gulf of Ob still eludes me, however.

I have a 1912 atlas. The European maps, especially, are fascinating: the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottamans, Germany in Alsace Lorraine and, of course, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. All gone just 10 years later.

buy an old Baedeker to go with them

they capture a lost world

I have germany pre war ( 3 vols ) fascinating stuff

foxinsoxuk

SeanT said:

JosiasJessop said:

foxinsoxuk said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

I'm probably a little sad to admit this, but I can spend as long studying *one* OS Map as I do reading a novel. If I don't know an area then I'll try to imagine the lie of the land, and if I've walked in it I'll recall the walk and dream up new ones.

I just love everything about them.

I adored atlases as a kid. I used to ogle them for hours, imagining these exotic places. For some reason Siberia in particular fascinated me. I am happy to say that I have now visited Novosibirsk, Irkutsk and Vladivostok, and crossed the raging torrents of the Yenesei. The Gulf of Ob still eludes me, however.

I often browse the atlas, and have quite a collection. I have made it to a few intriguing parts of the world through these, including New Caledonia.

This is a particular wistful favourite:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Atlas-Remote-Islands-Fifty-Visited/dp/1846143489

Though my electoral map of London won as a PB prize also has a special place.

Mortimer

SeanT said:

JosiasJessop said:

foxinsoxuk said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

I'm probably a little sad to admit this, but I can spend as long studying *one* OS Map as I do reading a novel. If I don't know an area then I'll try to imagine the lie of the land, and if I've walked in it I'll recall the walk and dream up new ones.

I just love everything about them.

I adored atlases as a kid. I used to ogle them for hours, imagining these exotic places. For some reason Siberia in particular fascinated me. I am happy to say that I have now visited Novosibirsk, Irkutsk and Vladivostok, and crossed the raging torrents of the Yenesei. The Gulf of Ob still eludes me, however.

Next time you're around Bury St you should pop into Daniel Crouch's shop. It is achingly impressive.

Mortimer

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

SeanT said:

JosiasJessop said:

foxinsoxuk said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

I'm probably a little sad to admit this, but I can spend as long studying *one* OS Map as I do reading a novel. If I don't know an area then I'll try to imagine the lie of the land, and if I've walked in it I'll recall the walk and dream up new ones.

I just love everything about them.

I adored atlases as a kid. I used to ogle them for hours, imagining these exotic places. For some reason Siberia in particular fascinated me. I am happy to say that I have now visited Novosibirsk, Irkutsk and Vladivostok, and crossed the raging torrents of the Yenesei. The Gulf of Ob still eludes me, however.

I have a 1912 atlas. The European maps, especially, are fascinating: the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottamans, Germany in Alsace Lorraine and, of course, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. All gone just 10 years later.

buy an old Baedeker to go with them

they capture a lost world

I have germany pre war ( 3 vols ) fascinating stuff

Baedeker's (and their less well known English cousin Murray's) are some of the most interesting, and, because of their mass production, cheapest late nineteenth-century books to collect. They're usually chocka with maps too...

foxinsoxuk

SeanT said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SeanT said:

JosiasJessop said:

foxinsoxuk said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

I'm probably a little sad to admit this, but I can spend as long studying *one* OS Map as I do reading a novel. If I don't know an area then I'll try to imagine the lie of the land, and if I've walked in it I'll recall the walk and dream up new ones.

I just love everything about them.

I adored atlases as a kid. I used to ogle them for hours, imagining these exotic places. For some reason Siberia in particular fascinated me. I am happy to say that I have now visited Novosibirsk, Irkutsk and Vladivostok, and crossed the raging torrents of the Yenesei. The Gulf of Ob still eludes me, however.

I often browse the atlas, and have quite a collection. I have made it to a few intriguing parts of the world through these, including New Caledonia.

This is a particular wistful favourite:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Atlas-Remote-Islands-Fifty-Visited/dp/1846143489

Though my electoral map of London won as a PB prize also has a special place.

Splendid! Gonna buy. I LOVE remote and obscure islands. I envied Matthew Parris his retreat to Kerguelen.

Yes, I was jealous of Kerguelen too. Like a French Falklands, but more remote...

Scott_P

This is worth a visit

https://britishheritage.com/utopian-new-lanark/

The names of the era on the globe are fascinating

foxinsoxuk

SeanT said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SeanT said:

JosiasJessop said:

foxinsoxuk said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

I'm probably a little sad to admit this, but I can spend as long studying *one* OS Map as I do reading a novel. If I don't know an area then I'll try to imagine the lie of the land, and if I've walked in it I'll recall the walk and dream up new ones.

I just love everything about them.

I adored atlases as a kid. I used to ogle them for hours, imagining these exotic places. For some reason Siberia in particular fascinated me. I am happy to say that I have now visited Novosibirsk, Irkutsk and Vladivostok, and crossed the raging torrents of the Yenesei. The Gulf of Ob still eludes me, however.

I often browse the atlas, and have quite a collection. I have made it to a few intriguing parts of the world through these, including New Caledonia.

This is a particular wistful favourite:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Atlas-Remote-Islands-Fifty-Visited/dp/1846143489

Though my electoral map of London won as a PB prize also has a special place.

Splendid! Gonna buy. I LOVE remote and obscure islands. I envied Matthew Parris his retreat to Kerguelen.

Books by "Stanley Rogers" published in the 20's and 30's are great for armchair travellers too, and filled with fascinating shipwrecks and castaways. They are cheap enough on Abebooks and well worth searching out.

foxinsoxuk

SeanT said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SeanT said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SeanT said:

JosiasJessop said:

foxinsoxuk said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

I'm probably a little sad to admit this, but I can spend as long studying *one* OS Map as I do reading a novel. If I don't know an area then I'll try to imagine the lie of the land, and if I've walked in it I'll recall the walk and dream up new ones.

I just love everything about them.

I adored atlases as a kid. I used to ogle them for hours, imagining these exotic places. For some reason Siberia in particular fascinated me. I am happy to say that I have now visited Novosibirsk, Irkutsk and Vladivostok, and crossed the raging torrents of the Yenesei. The Gulf of Ob still eludes me, however.

I often browse the atlas, and have quite a collection. I have made it to a few intriguing parts of the world through these, including New Caledonia.

This is a particular wistful favourite:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Atlas-Remote-Islands-Fifty-Visited/dp/1846143489

Though my electoral map of London won as a PB prize also has a special place.

Splendid! Gonna buy. I LOVE remote and obscure islands. I envied Matthew Parris his retreat to Kerguelen.

Yes, I was jealous of Kerguelen too. Like a French Falklands, but more remote...

Though I suspect South Georgia is even more spectacular than both.

I am always intrigued by the Antarctic Australian islands, like Heard. Utterly lonely and empty and silent. Yet soaring out of the sea

http://volcano.si.edu/Photos/full/091056.jpg

They are difficult to get to, though a friend of mine (now a GP in Lincs) spent a while on the Chatham Islands as the only doctor, in the Ocean South East of New Zealand. His first duty of the day in the medical centre was to catch the hospital cow and milk it. If it was sunny there were no patients as everyone went fishing, if grey and windswept then quite busy. There was a ricketty plane every week, but the weather and wind meant often cancellations.

Ishmael_Z

Talking of maps, here is one of cities which were at one stage the biggest in the world: http://i.imgur.com/R8r0MhC.jpg
And the list in wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_throughout_history

Scott_P

@hdevreij: Dutch newspaper @telegraaf says it has spoken to a witness of Donald Trump's alleged sexual escapades in the Ritz Carlton. More tomorrow...

williamglenn

SeanT said:

Genuinely interesting column from Polly Tuscany, recalling an interview with a younger, handsome Donald Trump

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/12/donald-trump-interview-1988-megalomaniac

Intriguing that she confirms what I have heard. That he is genuinely very smart. Probably mad - but smart.

That's a good read. He doesn't just want to be but to do. In another throwback to the era, he's got a superpower and he's gonna use it...

Polly: My own hunch is that those dealing with him should beware of underestimating this man. There is method in his madness – and no one in the world is more primed to win anything and everything against any odds.

GarethoftheVale2

Carolus_Rex said:

SeanT said:

State of this Remoaner fuckwit. A university lecturer who refuses to be friends with any Leaver, as they are EVIL

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/01/12/i-can-t-reach-out-to-brexiters-anymore-they-re-destroying-th

Imagine you were a Leave voter and he was your professor.

Stating the obvious I suppose but being unfriended by this utter tit wouldn't be any loss.

I find it interesting how these remoaner types always seem to make the same points:

1) Everyone who voted leave was racist
2) We are nailed on for economic armageddon at any moment

Perhaps the reason he says he can't sleep at night is due to the massive cognitive dissonance.

For a university professor you would expect a bit more critical thinking.

MikeSmithson

https://twitter.com/mozdog94/status/819469278084788224

LAB looking a bit rattled in Sunderland

Toms

The great physicist Richard Feynman and a friend, Ralph Leighton, the son of a very good physicist colleague of Feynman, took many years to get visas to visit Tuva:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuva_or_Bust!

Feynman never made it, but his daughter did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuva

MarqueeMark

foxinsoxuk said:

SeanT said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SeanT said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SeanT said:

JosiasJessop said:

foxinsoxuk said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

I'm probably a little sad to admit this, but I can spend as long studying *one* OS Map as I do reading a novel. If I don't know an area then I'll try to imagine the lie of the land, and if I've walked in it I'll recall the walk and dream up new ones.

I just love everything about them.

I adored atlases as a kid. I used to ogle them for hours, imagining these exotic places. For some reason Siberia in particular fascinated me. I am happy to say that I have now visited Novosibirsk, Irkutsk and Vladivostok, and crossed the raging torrents of the Yenesei. The Gulf of Ob still eludes me, however.

I often browse the atlas, and have quite a collection. I have made it to a few intriguing parts of the world through these, including New Caledonia.

This is a particular wistful favourite:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Atlas-Remote-Islands-Fifty-Visited/dp/1846143489

Though my electoral map of London won as a PB prize also has a special place.

Splendid! Gonna buy. I LOVE remote and obscure islands. I envied Matthew Parris his retreat to Kerguelen.

Yes, I was jealous of Kerguelen too. Like a French Falklands, but more remote...

Though I suspect South Georgia is even more spectacular than both.

I am always intrigued by the Antarctic Australian islands, like Heard. Utterly lonely and empty and silent. Yet soaring out of the sea

http://volcano.si.edu/Photos/full/091056.jpg

They are difficult to get to, though a friend of mine (now a GP in Lincs) spent a while on the Chatham Islands as the only doctor, in the Ocean South East of New Zealand. His first duty of the day in the medical centre was to catch the hospital cow and milk it. If it was sunny there were no patients as everyone went fishing, if grey and windswept then quite busy. There was a ricketty plane every week, but the weather and wind meant often cancellations.

I have been to the sub-Antarctic islands of New Zealand (and Australia - Macquarie Island is part of Tasmania and so remote they get two boats A YEAR). Bounty Island is NOTHING like the 60s adverts of babes in bikinis playing with a beachball. Uninhabited for a start. As is Campbell Island, although the weird flora (and the world's remotest tree) are home to nesting albatross, who you can sit with and chill.

I also went to the Chatham Islands and met 8 guys, five of whom were ACTUALLY called Bruce. True story.

RobD

Scott_P said:

@hdevreij: Dutch newspaper @telegraaf says it has spoken to a witness of Donald Trump's alleged sexual escapades in the Ritz Carlton. More tomorrow...

Hadn't Steele also spoken to supposed witnesses?

TOPPING

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

Genuinely interesting column from Polly Tuscany, recalling an interview with a younger, handsome Donald Trump

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/12/donald-trump-interview-1988-megalomaniac

Intriguing that she confirms what I have heard. That he is genuinely very smart. Probably mad - but smart.

That's a good read. He doesn't just want to be but to do. In another throwback to the era, he's got a superpower and he's gonna use it...

Polly: My own hunch is that those dealing with him should beware of underestimating this man. There is method in his madness – and no one in the world is more primed to win anything and everything against any odds.

She can't hide her bitterness though - Reagan as a senile movie star in the White House.

TheScreamingEagles

My very Muslim mother has asked me what a golden shower is & why should that stop Trump being President because a golden lift didn't?

Y0kel

RobD said:

Scott_P said:

@hdevreij: Dutch newspaper @telegraaf says it has spoken to a witness of Donald Trump's alleged sexual escapades in the Ritz Carlton. More tomorrow...

Hadn't Steele also spoken to supposed witnesses?

There is much doubt that story is going to appear.

RobD

TheScreamingEagles said:

My very Muslim mother has asked me what a golden shower is & why should that stop Trump being President because a golden lift didn't?

I don't envy you right now...

TheScreamingEagles

Another Cambridge alumnus was responsible for that dossier, Sir Andrew Wood, former UK Ambassador to Russia met John McCain at a security conference in October and shared that info with him.

The University of Cambridge, once again proving to be such an awesome force for good in the world.

ReggieCide

GarethoftheVale2 said:

Carolus_Rex said:

SeanT said:

State of this Remoaner fuckwit. A university lecturer who refuses to be friends with any Leaver, as they are EVIL

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/01/12/i-can-t-reach-out-to-brexiters-anymore-they-re-destroying-th

Imagine you were a Leave voter and he was your professor.

Stating the obvious I suppose but being unfriended by this utter tit wouldn't be any loss.

I find it interesting how these remoaner types always seem to make the same points:

1) Everyone who voted leave was racist
2) We are nailed on for economic armageddon at any moment

Perhaps the reason he says he can't sleep at night is due to the massive cognitive dissonance.

For a university professor you would expect a bit more critical thinking.

This is a real saddo, close to sectionable

ReggieCide

RobD said:

Scott_P said:

@hdevreij: Dutch newspaper @telegraaf says it has spoken to a witness of Donald Trump's alleged sexual escapades in the Ritz Carlton. More tomorrow...

Hadn't Steele also spoken to supposed witnesses?

It's called slanderous Chinese whispers

TheScreamingEagles

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

My very Muslim mother has asked me what a golden shower is & why should that stop Trump being President because a golden lift didn't?

I don't envy you right now...

I'm 38, with my parents I've had only had one conversation on the subject of sex, that was with my father as I departed to university, when he told me that as a good Muslim boy who was going to have an arranged marriage in a few years time, I should remain chaste and virginal at university.

I hate Donald Trump right now.

TOPPING

TheScreamingEagles said:

My very Muslim mother has asked me what a golden shower is & why should that stop Trump being President because a golden lift didn't?

What's the difference between a lentil and a chickpea?

Trump wouldn't have a lentil on him.

MarqueeMark

SeanT said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SeanT said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SeanT said:

JosiasJessop said:

foxinsoxuk said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

I'm probably a little sad to admit this, but I can spend as long studying *one* OS Map as I do reading a novel. If I don't know an area then I'll try to imagine the lie of the land, and if I've walked in it I'll recall the walk and dream up new ones.

I just love everything about them.

I adored atlases as a kid. I used to ogle them for hours, imagining these exotic places. For some reason Siberia in particular fascinated me. I am happy to say that I have now visited Novosibirsk, Irkutsk and Vladivostok, and crossed the raging torrents of the Yenesei. The Gulf of Ob still eludes me, however.

I often browse the atlas, and have quite a collection. I have made it to a few intriguing parts of the world through these, including New Caledonia.

This is a particular wistful favourite:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Atlas-Remote-Islands-Fifty-Visited/dp/1846143489

Though my electoral map of London won as a PB prize also has a special place.

Splendid! Gonna buy. I LOVE remote and obscure islands. I envied Matthew Parris his retreat to Kerguelen.

Yes, I was jealous of Kerguelen too. Like a French Falklands, but more remote...

Though I suspect South Georgia is even more spectacular than both.

I am always intrigued by the Antarctic Australian islands, like Heard. Utterly lonely and empty and silent. Yet soaring out of the sea

http://volcano.si.edu/Photos/full/091056.jpg

South Georgia is astonishingly rugged. Especially around Cape Disappointment, where the glaciers tumble into the sea. We followed Shackleton's route from Elephant Island up to South Georgia. It is the only way you can get any sort of understanding of what they endured. Even when they landed on South Georgia, they then had a horrendous walk over glaciers to make it to a whaling station of Stromness (now inaccessible because of the amount of asbestos, but the buildings are still there).

If you want a six week trip that will take you to Antarctica, South Georgia, Gough Island, Tristan da Cunha, St. Helena Ascension, Cape Verde - have a word with John Brodie-Goode at Wildwings. Ask him about the Atlantic Odyssey.

TheScreamingEagles

TOPPING said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

My very Muslim mother has asked me what a golden shower is & why should that stop Trump being President because a golden lift didn't?

What's the difference between a lentil and a chickpea?

Trump wouldn't have a lentil on him.

Very good.

foxinsoxuk

MarqueeMark said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SeanT said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SeanT said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SeanT said:

JosiasJessop said:

foxinsoxuk said:

JosiasJessop said:

Thanks Harry.

And I love the maps.

Maps are always good.

I'm probably a little sad to admit this, but I can spend as long studying *one* OS Map as I do reading a novel. If I don't know an area then I'll try to imagine the lie of the land, and if I've walked in it I'll recall the walk and dream up new ones.

I just love everything about them.

I adored atlases as a kid. I used to ogle them for hours, imagining these exotic places. For some reason Siberia in particular fascinated me. I am happy to say that I have now visited Novosibirsk, Irkutsk and Vladivostok, and crossed the raging torrents of the Yenesei. The Gulf of Ob still eludes me, however.

I often browse the atlas, and have quite a collection. I have made it to a few intriguing parts of the world through these, including New Caledonia.

This is a particular wistful favourite:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Atlas-Remote-Islands-Fifty-Visited/dp/1846143489

Though my electoral map of London won as a PB prize also has a special place.

Splendid! Gonna buy. I LOVE remote and obscure islands. I envied Matthew Parris his retreat to Kerguelen.

Yes, I was jealous of Kerguelen too. Like a French Falklands, but more remote...

Though I suspect South Georgia is even more spectacular than both.

I am always intrigued by the Antarctic Australian islands, like Heard. Utterly lonely and empty and silent. Yet soaring out of the sea

http://volcano.si.edu/Photos/full/091056.jpg

They are difficult to get to, though a friend of mine (now a GP in Lincs) spent a while on the Chatham Islands as the only doctor, in t.

I have been to the sub-Antarctic islands of New Zealand (and Australia - Macquarie Island is part of Tasmania and so remote they get two boats A YEAR). Bounty Island is NOTHING like the 60s adverts of babes in bikinis playing with a beachball. Uninhabited for a start. As is Campbell Island, although the weird flora (and the world's remotest tree) are home to nesting albatross, who you can sit with and chill.

I also went to the Chatham Islands and met 8 guys, five of whom were ACTUALLY called Bruce. True story.

In 1989 I saw the Albatrosses nesting on the peninsula near Dunedin, those chicks are big!

nunu

MikeSmithson said:

https://twitter.com/mozdog94/status/819469278084788224

LAB looking a bit rattled in Sunderland

Thats normal isn't it?

another_richard

MarkSenior said:

It appears that the Sheffield City Regional Mayoral contest due to take place in May has been postponed because of lack of consultation with electors in Chesterfield . It may in fact never take place as proposal of a Greater Yorkshire mayor instead has been resurrected .

I wasn't aware that the 'Sheffield City Region' had been consulted with electors anywhere.

If the local people had been consulted by referendum on whether they wanted a 'Sheffield City Region' it would have been overwhelmingly rejected.

Which is precisely why the local people weren't consulted on whether they wanted a 'Sheffield City Region'.

Floater

TheScreamingEagles said:

My very Muslim mother has asked me what a golden shower is & why should that stop Trump being President because a golden lift didn't?

My youngest son was being driven to school one day and he asked his mother what a blow job was.

45 minute journey, so she is trapped :-)

So, she tells him.......

The next question was worse .......

Children with Aspergers can make life quite interesting :-)

MarkSenior

Report from man on the spot in Sunderland . Very close between Labour and Lib Dem

TheScreamingEagles

another_richard said:

MarkSenior said:

It appears that the Sheffield City Regional Mayoral contest due to take place in May has been postponed because of lack of consultation with electors in Chesterfield . It may in fact never take place as proposal of a Greater Yorkshire mayor instead has been resurrected .

I wasn't aware that the 'Sheffield City Region' had been consulted with electors anywhere.

If the local people had been consulted by referendum on whether they wanted a 'Sheffield City Region' it would have been overwhelmingly rejected.

Which is precisely why the local people weren't consulted on whether they wanted a 'Sheffield City Region'.

There was a consultation, we were asked for our views.

I liked it because it realised that county borders are irrelevant when you're that close to a big city

rcs1000

MarkSenior said:

Report from man on the spot in Sunderland . Very close between Labour and Lib Dem

Given the LibDems scored a staggering 4% last time in the ward, one fourteenth of the Labour vote, I would be staggered were they to win.

So please colour me sceptical.

foxinsoxuk

MarkSenior said:

Report from man on the spot in Sunderland . Very close between Labour and Lib Dem

From 4% to competitive in UKIP territory? Interesting if true...

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/819667942195560453

TheScreamingEagles

Awesome pun.

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/819672820695400455

RobD

rcs1000 said:

MarkSenior said:

Report from man on the spot in Sunderland . Very close between Labour and Lib Dem

Given the LibDems scored a staggering 4% last time in the ward, one fourteenth of the Labour vote, I would be staggered were they to win.

So please colour me sceptical.

Labour could have lost 90%+ of their vote though. That's more believable

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/819673073070829572

augustus_carp

I trust that the Returning Officer for Sunderland is striving to beat his previous best in getting tonight's result declared.

rcs1000

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:

MarkSenior said:

It appears that the Sheffield City Regional Mayoral contest due to take place in May has been postponed because of lack of consultation with electors in Chesterfield . It may in fact never take place as proposal of a Greater Yorkshire mayor instead has been resurrected .

I wasn't aware that the 'Sheffield City Region' had been consulted with electors anywhere.

If the local people had been consulted by referendum on whether they wanted a 'Sheffield City Region' it would have been overwhelmingly rejected.

Which is precisely why the local people weren't consulted on whether they wanted a 'Sheffield City Region'.

There was a consultation, we were asked for our views.

I liked it because it realised that county borders are irrelevant when you're that close to a big city

“But the plans were on display…”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”

RobD

TheScreamingEagles said:

Awesome pun.

twitter.com/TheSun/status/819672820695400455

I thought it was linked to Andrew Wood, rather than the current EU ambassador?

another_richard

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

My very Muslim mother has asked me what a golden shower is & why should that stop Trump being President because a golden lift didn't?

I don't envy you right now...

I'm 38, with my parents I've had only had one conversation on the subject of sex, that was with my father as I departed to university, when he told me that as a good Muslim boy who was going to have an arranged marriage in a few years time, I should remain chaste and virginal at university.

I hate Donald Trump right now.

My family is the opposite. We get drunk and talk about EVERYTHING, from who has had the most partners to who has had the kinkiest sex.

On the other hand, my 1st stepmother (of 3, now deceased) once tried to stab me on Boxing Day. So, you know: swings and roundabouts.

Why did she try to stab you ?

TheScreamingEagles

rcs1000 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:

MarkSenior said:

It appears that the Sheffield City Regional Mayoral contest due to take place in May has been postponed because of lack of consultation with electors in Chesterfield . It may in fact never take place as proposal of a Greater Yorkshire mayor instead has been resurrected .

I wasn't aware that the 'Sheffield City Region' had been consulted with electors anywhere.

If the local people had been consulted by referendum on whether they wanted a 'Sheffield City Region' it would have been overwhelmingly rejected.

Which is precisely why the local people weren't consulted on whether they wanted a 'Sheffield City Region'.

There was a consultation, we were asked for our views.

I liked it because it realised that county borders are irrelevant when you're that close to a big city

“But the plans were on display…”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”

This was online, on the telly, in the local papers, you couldn't miss it.

TheScreamingEagles

another_richard said:

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

My very Muslim mother has asked me what a golden shower is & why should that stop Trump being President because a golden lift didn't?

I don't envy you right now...

I'm 38, with my parents I've had only had one conversation on the subject of sex, that was with my father as I departed to university, when he told me that as a good Muslim boy who was going to have an arranged marriage in a few years time, I should remain chaste and virginal at university.

I hate Donald Trump right now.

My family is the opposite. We get drunk and talk about EVERYTHING, from who has had the most partners to who has had the kinkiest sex.

On the other hand, my 1st stepmother (of 3, now deceased) once tried to stab me on Boxing Day. So, you know: swings and roundabouts.

Why did she try to stab you ?

Sean said FPTP was superior to AV.

Richard_Nabavi

Fake news seems to be spreading:

Guardian headline: "Cyclists don't count as road users, argues transport secretary"

What Chris Grayling actually said (quoted in the very same Guardian article!):

Grayling was questioned by the Labour MP Daniel Zeichner about an interview he gave late last year warning that London’s new protected cycle lanes “perhaps cause too much of a problem for road users”. Were cyclists not also road users, Zeichner asked.

“What I would say to him, of course, is where you have cycle lanes, cyclists are the users of cycle lanes,” Grayling responded. “And there’s a road alongside – motorists are the road users, the users of the roads. It’s fairly straightforward, to be honest.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/12/cyclists-dont-count-as-road-users-argues-transport-secretary

foxinsoxuk

another_richard said:

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

My very Muslim mother has asked me what a golden shower is & why should that stop Trump being President because a golden lift didn't?

I don't envy you right now...

I'm 38, with my parents I've had only had one conversation on the subject of sex, that was with my father as I departed to university, when he told me that as a good Muslim boy who was going to have an arranged marriage in a few years time, I should remain chaste and virginal at university.

I hate Donald Trump right now.

My family is the opposite. We get drunk and talk about EVERYTHING, from who has had the most partners to who has had the kinkiest sex.

On the other hand, my 1st stepmother (of 3, now deceased) once tried to stab me on Boxing Day. So, you know: swings and roundabouts.

Why did she try to stab you ?

Because the gun wasn't loaded?

Pulpstar

Hmm The council managed to send the NIP for council tax round (Now paid ^^;) but never saw the mayoral consultation anywhere.

williamglenn

TheScreamingEagles said:

Awesome pun.

To lose one Permanent Representative is unfortunate...

If it was him, what on earth was he doing working with John McCain?

TheScreamingEagles

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Awesome pun.

twitter.com/TheSun/status/819672820695400455

I thought it was linked to Andrew Wood, rather than the current EU ambassador?

Sir Andrew Wood is the one who flagged it up to John McCain, but apparently Sir Tim Barrow was/is close to both Christopher Steele and Sir Andrew Wood...

Freggles

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58657bb5e4b0eb586488c5c0

Read this but replace Democratic with Labour and America with Britain.

Pulpstar

Richard_Nabavi said:

Fake news seems to be spreading:

Guardian headline: "Cyclists don't count as road users, argues transport secretary"

What Chris Grayling actually said (quoted in the very same Guardian article!):

Grayling was questioned by the Labour MP Daniel Zeichner about an interview he gave late last year warning that London’s new protected cycle lanes “perhaps cause too much of a problem for road users”. Were cyclists not also road users, Zeichner asked.

“What I would say to him, of course, is where you have cycle lanes, cyclists are the users of cycle lanes,” Grayling responded. “And there’s a road alongside – motorists are the road users, the users of the roads. It’s fairly straightforward, to be honest.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/12/cyclists-dont-count-as-road-users-argues-transport-secretary

If you have any knowledge of cycling on the roads, you'd know how terrible an answer that is tbh.

williamglenn

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Awesome pun.

twitter.com/TheSun/status/819672820695400455

I thought it was linked to Andrew Wood, rather than the current EU ambassador?

Ah yes, that's what the Independent is reporting.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-russia-dossier-leak-sir-andrew-wood-john-mccain-british-ambassador-spy-a7524931.html

Freggles

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

My very Muslim mother has asked me what a golden shower is & why should that stop Trump being President because a golden lift didn't?

I don't envy you right now...

I'm 38, with my parents I've had only had one conversation on the subject of sex, that was with my father as I departed to university, when he told me that as a good Muslim boy who was going to have an arranged marriage in a few years time, I should remain chaste and virginal at university.

I hate Donald Trump right now.

My family is the opposite. We get drunk and talk about EVERYTHING, from who has had the most partners to who has had the kinkiest sex.

On the other hand, my 1st stepmother (of 3, now deceased) once tried to stab me on Boxing Day. So, you know: swings and roundabouts.

Never stop posting here

foxinsoxuk

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/819673073070829572

For those who did not see it "The Hospital" was well worth seeing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b088rp75/hospital-episode-1

All those expensive theatres and surgeons lying idle for want of beds, and patients cancelled on the day.

Very familiar to me.

Pulpstar

@SeanT Serious question - do you think you're a better writer than yr Dad ?

MarqueeMark

SeanT said:

Would LOVE to do that. My editor on Times Travel has just asked me to pitch new ideas, so that's on the list. I am very aware of time slipping away. I'm 53. I feel fit and healthy, despite the booze, but I definitely need to see some of the world's more daunting destinations now, rather than in 10 years time.

That said, I did climb to 18,400 feet in November last year, in the Chilean Andes. So, heh.

John Brodie-Good is a very cool guy. He's probably seen as many species of whales and dolphins as anyone on the planet. GIve him a call, ask him what interesting trips he has coming up. He takes it as a badge of courage that he can get you to almost anywhere on the planet.

And kudos on making 18,400 feet - that is seriously high!

rcs1000

SeanT said:

another_richard said:

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

My very Muslim mother has asked me what a golden shower is & why should that stop Trump being President because a golden lift didn't?

I don't envy you right now...

I'm 38, with my parents I've had only had one conversation on the subject of sex, that was with my father as I departed to university, when he told me that as a good Muslim boy who was going to have an arranged marriage in a few years time, I should remain chaste and virginal at university.

I hate Donald Trump right now.

My family is the opposite. We get drunk and talk about EVERYTHING, from who has had the most partners to who has had the kinkiest sex.

On the other hand, my 1st stepmother (of 3, now deceased) once tried to stab me on Boxing Day. So, you know: swings and roundabouts.

Why did she try to stab you ?

Because 1. I was a recovering heroin addict, 2. she was an alcoholic, 3. she had early brain cancer and 4. (relatedly) she was mad and 5. she felt I was giving my Dad an alibi for his philandering, and 6. MY FAMILY

Did she prefer you when you were an actual heroin addict?