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Tomorrow's Sun front page is a straight lift of its paper on the day of the 1992 General Election pic.twitter.com/jpKmFRH3ty

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williamglenn

The most interesting thing in Davis' comments here is the hint that the final outcome he wants is not much different to the status quo. The hard Brexit positioning really is a bluff.

https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/821820713438998528

Mortimer

FPT: Is there some sort of dress/haircut code whereby 'leading' EU whingebags need to look like extras from The Lives of Others?

Pong

B-

The original headline worked, this one doesn't.

The sun reliving its glory days is just a bit tragic.

TGOHF

Humiliating for Kinnock to be compared to "open house party" Merkel.

dixiedean

Just the way to win allies and influence. Murdoch must feel he can profit from a trade war.

archer101au

Seems to me the key issue here is Barnier's insistence that the UK agree the divorce 'payment' before any discussions start on future trade relationships. Not only is this contrary to what is stated in article 50, it is also a pretty clear attempt to torpedo any sensible discussions at all. I cannot see how the EU can enforce any claims against the UK arising from Brexit - by definition they only arise at the point of departure at which time we are not subject to the ECJ so the UK Parliament can simply pass a law as part of the Grand Repeal Act that no amounts are payable.

Therefore, the UK is really being asked to make concessions on departure payments in return for nothing other than the right to start talks on trade. This is a ridiculous position and the Commission know it.

My view is that the Commission have no intention whatsoever of doing a deal with the UK. The Council are meant to instruct them, yet Barnier has come up with this 'policy' without any direction from the Council. When Tusk refers to EU unity, as usual it means that the Council is unified in doing what the Commission tell them to do.

In any event, I do not see how negotiations will even start - expect a huge blow up on this issue in March. The UK will ask for the negotiations to be done in parallel, the EU (Commission) will refuse. What would be the point of May having discussions on payments to the EU when she is not allowed to discuss trade in return?

williamglenn

Pong said:

B-

The original headline worked, this one doesn't.

The sun reliving its glory days is just a bit tragic.

It's also bad positioning for them because having 'Kinnocked' Merkel, they'll look stupid when she's still there calling the shots in a year's time and we're still holding out for a better offer.

John_M

williamglenn said:

The most interesting thing in Davis' comments here is the hint that the final outcome he wants is not much different to the status quo. The hard Brexit positioning really is a bluff.

https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/821820713438998528

Keep hoping William .

Casino_Royale

I laughed out loud... Very good.

It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.

It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.

nunu

williamglenn said:

The most interesting thing in Davis' comments here is the hint that the final outcome he wants is not much different to the status quo. The hard Brexit positioning really is a bluff.

https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/821820713438998528

Are you trying to convince yourself? Cos its not working.

williamglenn

archer101au said:

What would be the point of May having discussions on payments to the EU when she is not allowed to discuss trade in return?

If May wants to start the negotiations from a position of being fully out and then working up from there, she first needs to agree the terms on which she gets to her starting position, otherwise there is no basis for discussions.

chestnut

William,

I'm starting to wonder which event/headline could possibly make you believe that we might not stay in the EU and departure will actually happen.

Theuniondivvie

Let me me make a wild prediction, readers in Scotland will have their own (entirely different) Sun front page.

AlastairMeeks

Trading on its past. Symbolic of the newspaper industry as a whole.

Mortimer

chestnut said:

William,

I'm starting to wonder which event/headline could possibly make you believe that we might not stay in the EU and departure will actually happen.

Maybe WILLIAMGLENN PAYS SEANT A BAG OF SAND will do it?

TGOHF

Theuniondivvie said:

Let me me make a wild prediction, readers in Scotland will have their own (entirely different) Sun front page.

" Boris comments make Sindy Ref 2 'more likely' drones oor Nicla.."

tlg86

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

Theuniondivvie

TGOHF said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Let me me make a wild prediction, readers in Scotland will have their own (entirely different) Sun front page.

" Boris comments make Sindy Ref 2 'more likely' drones oor Nicla.."

Perhaps 'You didn't vote for Brexit but those that did have put the UK's head in the noose'?

https://twitter.com/Mr_Mark_Brown/status/171737325376774144

isam

AlastairMeeks said:

Trading on its past. Symbolic of the newspaper industry as a whole.

I don't know, The Guardian seems to be getting lots of new readers post Brexit.... or at least twitter followers!

Sandpit

Mortimer said:

chestnut said:

William,

I'm starting to wonder which event/headline could possibly make you believe that we might not stay in the EU and departure will actually happen.

Maybe WILLIAMGLENN PAYS SEANT A BAG OF SAND will do it?

The original suggestion of ten 'bags of sand' would have made PB unmissable for the next two years.

Pong

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

That would have worked better.

isam

Pong said:

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

That would have worked better.

"Timshel" with a pic of TM the PM

brokenwheel

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

Where's Sunil when you need him?

SandyRentool

"Brexit in Channel - EU cut off"

tlg86

Loving the circulation chart. On nights like this The Sun is a busted flush. When the Tories win a majority or Leave wins the referendum, The Sun is an affront to Democracy.

John_M

brokenwheel said:

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

Where's Sunil when you need him?

Probably writing a treatise on post-war British locomotive manufacturing. Night night all. Don't let the Brexit bugs bite.

Sandpit

Casino_Royale said:

I laughed out loud... Very good.

It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.

It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.

Absolutely, let the media run with the hyperbole and the serious negotiation be done in the background.

Well done for your essay earlier by the way, you should really have submitted it to OGH as a header.

FrancisUrquhart

Great documentary on BBC4 at the moment about marshall amps.

SandyRentool

FrancisUrquhart said:

Great documentary on BBC4 at the moment about marshall amps.

Us Socialists are watching how the NHS is being fecked over on BBC2...

RepublicanTory

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

I laughed out loud... Very good.

It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.

It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.

Absolutely, let the media run with the hyperbole and the serious negotiation be done in the background.

Well done for your essay earlier by the way, you should really have submitted it to OGH as a header.

Anyone have a link to this as i missed it?

OllyT

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.

PAW

Casino_Royale - how are you finding the Jag?

FrancisUrquhart

PAW said:

Casino_Royale - how are you finding the Jag?

Is it not spelt The Jaaaaaaaaggggggggggggg?

Black_Rook

OllyT said:

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.

This would be somewhat ironic considering that the entire European Union concept is rooted in war trauma, and the German open door policy toward migrants that did so much to undermine it was rooted in war guilt.

Although I would concede that a reappraisal of Britain's role in that war is long overdue. We didn't win World War 2. We lost.

steve_garner

SandyRentool said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Great documentary on BBC4 at the moment about marshall amps.

Us Socialists are watching how the NHS is being fecked over on BBC2...

There was an article in the Times today saying that the winter healthcare crisis was severe in Germany, France, Italy and Sweden too.

dr_spyn

https://twitter.com/election_data/status/821839225133928448

Malmesbury

OllyT said:

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.

In my experience Germans are even more obsessed by the war (though not out loud) - everything is examined from the perspective of *not* being like you-know-what, though it's done silently.

Sandpit

RepublicanTory said:

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

I laughed out loud... Very good.

It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.

It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.

Absolutely, let the media run with the hyperbole and the serious negotiation be done in the background.

Well done for your essay earlier by the way, you should really have submitted it to OGH as a header.

Anyone have a link to this as i missed it?

Three posts at the end of this thread, on the subject of why the UK voted to leave.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/01/18/my-661-long-shot-bet-for-the-2020-white-house-race-demcratic-senator-kamala-harris-from-california/

MarkSenior

The chairman of UKIP North Cumbria Branch , John Stanyer , has resigned and announced he is joining the Conservatives . He says that the national leadership has treated the West Cumbria branch appallingly with regard to the Copeland by election .

Malmesbury

tlg86 said:

Loving the circulation chart. On nights like this The Sun is a busted flush. When the Tories win a majority or Leave wins the referendum, The Sun is an affront to Democracy.

Ah yes. One of those irregular verb things :

My newspaper is the Guardian of democracy.
Your newspaper is a tacky tabloid
His newspaper is an affront to democracy.

I have never read the Sun.

Richard_Tyndall

OllyT said:

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.

Significant parts of Europe have good reason to be ashamed of their actions in WW2. That might be why they would rather forget about it.

RepublicanTory

Sandpit said:

RepublicanTory said:

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

I laughed out loud... Very good.

It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.

It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.

Absolutely, let the media run with the hyperbole and the serious negotiation be done in the background.

Well done for your essay earlier by the way, you should really have submitted it to OGH as a header.

Anyone have a link to this as i missed it?

Three posts at the end of this thread, on the subject of why the UK voted to leave.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/01/18/my-661-long-shot-bet-for-the-2020-white-house-race-demcratic-senator-kamala-harris-from-california/

Excellent

Thank you

CornishBlue

tlg86 said:

Loving the circulation chart. On nights like this The Sun is a busted flush. When the Tories win a majority or Leave wins the referendum, The Sun is an affront to Democracy.

All newspapers show the same trajectory in print sales AFAIK.

chestnut

OllyT said:

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.

I remember thinking that when Grexit was on the cards and pictures of Merkel with a Charlie Chaplin moustache were all over the place, as well as claims for WW2 reparations.

Why do you think they really don't want an EU Army when the Germans would be the major force within it?

Malmesbury

CornishBlue said:

tlg86 said:

Loving the circulation chart. On nights like this The Sun is a busted flush. When the Tories win a majority or Leave wins the referendum, The Sun is an affront to Democracy.

All newspapers show the same trajectory in print sales AFAIK.

Yup - and if you want ugly, consider this. The Daily Mail is the profitable outfit, overall.

Roger

Casino_Royale said:

I laughed out loud... Very good.

It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.

It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.

You laughed out loud? You actually found that funny?

dr_spyn

Tougher rules on residency proposed for England. https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/821843179582394370


Rugby Union.

isam

https://twitter.com/amolrajan/status/821837501744738306

OllyT

Black_Rook said:

OllyT said:

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.

This would be somewhat ironic considering that the entire European Union concept is rooted in war trauma, and the German open door policy toward migrants that did so much to undermine it was rooted in war guilt.

Although I would concede that a reappraisal of Britain's role in that war is long overdue. We didn't win World War 2. We lost.

I agree that the original EU concept was born out of a laudable desire to prevent the continent ever going to war again but nobody else bangs on about like we do. You cannot go a day in this country without someone referencing it as though it just happened a couple of years ago.

Black_Rook

OllyT said:

Black_Rook said:

OllyT said:

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.

This would be somewhat ironic considering that the entire European Union concept is rooted in war trauma, and the German open door policy toward migrants that did so much to undermine it was rooted in war guilt.

Although I would concede that a reappraisal of Britain's role in that war is long overdue. We didn't win World War 2. We lost.

I agree that the original EU concept was born out of a laudable desire to prevent the continent ever going to war again but nobody else bangs on about like we do. You cannot go a day in this country without someone referencing it as though it just happened a couple of years ago.

There may be some merit in this argument. I had a nice WW2-free day today. Until you brought up the subject :-)

Pong

Aaron Banks launches his own fake news website;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38650596

Paul Nuttall watch out.

OllyT

chestnut said:

OllyT said:

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.

I remember thinking that when Grexit was on the cards and pictures of Merkel with a Charlie Chaplin moustache were all over the place, as well as claims for WW2 reparations.

Why do you think they really don't want an EU Army when the Germans would be the major force within it?

The Greeks were attacking Germany over a particular issue, they haven't banged on about daily for the last 75 years like the UK.

isam

Pong said:

Aaron Banks launches his own fake news website;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38650596

Nuttall watch out.

Banks is quite supportive of Nuttall running in Stoke I think

chestnut

OllyT said:

chestnut said:

OllyT said:

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.

I remember thinking that when Grexit was on the cards and pictures of Merkel with a Charlie Chaplin moustache were all over the place, as well as claims for WW2 reparations.

Why do you think they really don't want an EU Army when the Germans would be the major force within it?

The Greeks were attacking Germany over a particular issue, they haven't banged on about daily for the last 75 years like the UK.

We won, Olly. The Greeks, the Dutch, the Poles etc suffered enormously.

Their underlying resentment and hostility, in my personal experience, is far greater than ours .

steve_garner

On Sky News tomorrow's Sun front page does not look like OGH's version.

Ishmael_Z

OllyT said:

chestnut said:

OllyT said:

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.

I remember thinking that when Grexit was on the cards and pictures of Merkel with a Charlie Chaplin moustache were all over the place, as well as claims for WW2 reparations.

Why do you think they really don't want an EU Army when the Germans would be the major force within it?

The Greeks were attacking Germany over a particular issue, they haven't banged on about daily for the last 75 years like the UK.

It was a 5 word off-the-cuff response from Johnson, and made his point very neatly. The banging on has been the tens of thousands of words of bien-pensant pretendy outrage which you and others are now channeling for the rest of us. And our national performance in WW2 was, at least, nothing to be ashamed of, and not really analogous on any level to scoring a winning goal. As I am sure you know from the historical education you claim to have received.

FrancisUrquhart

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/821845989891903492

DecrepitJohnL

chestnut said:

OllyT said:

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.

I remember thinking that when Grexit was on the cards and pictures of Merkel with a Charlie Chaplin moustache were all over the place, as well as claims for WW2 reparations.

Why do you think they really don't want an EU Army when the Germans would be the major force within it?

Wasn't the point about reparations that Greece had waived a sum greater (adjusted for inflation) than they are currently in the hole for?

isam

FrancisUrquhart said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/821845989891903492

Top right @SeanT

Pong

steve_garner said:

On Sky News tomorrow's Sun front page does not look like OGH's version.

The lightbulb one was crap.

HYUFD

Theuniondivvie said:

TGOHF said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Let me me make a wild prediction, readers in Scotland will have their own (entirely different) Sun front page.

" Boris comments make Sindy Ref 2 'more likely' drones oor Nicla.."

Perhaps 'You didn't vote for Brexit but those that did have put the UK's head in the noose'?

https://twitter.com/Mr_Mark_Brown/status/171737325376774144

The Scottish Sun backed the SNP, the English and Welsh Sun backed the Tories and Brexit

Theuniondivvie

Pong said:

Aaron Banks launches his own fake news website;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38650596

Paul Nuttall watch out.

Got that authentic, niche, hard right right aesthetic down to a tee.

http://www.westmonster.com/

foxinsoxuk

DecrepitJohnL said:

chestnut said:

OllyT said:

tlg86 said:

I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.

I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.

I remember thinking that when Grexit was on the cards and pictures of Merkel with a Charlie Chaplin moustache were all over the place, as well as claims for WW2 reparations.

Why do you think they really don't want an EU Army when the Germans would be the major force within it?

Wasn't the point about reparations that Greece had waived a sum greater (adjusted for inflation) than they are currently in the hole for?

Though the Golden Dawn were quite openly pro-Nazi, it was the left who were anti-German.

For those who haven't seen it on Netfix "Look Who's Back" is worth catching. It is a bit odd at first, but then gets into its stride. No spoilers for the ending, but this scene where Hitler discovers the internet explains a lot:

https://youtu.be/nIJpOw78HMM

Sunil_Prasannan

It was The Sunil wot won it!

Believe in BRITAIN! Be LEAVE!!

weejonnie

The Sun's demise shows they should never have bowed to pressure and ignored the WWC by ditching page 3.

On another topic: Diary of a snowflake: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/18/teenage-diary-latino-donald-trump-california

paulbarker

Of course in the real world their is a queue to join The EU & a bunch of other Countries trying to join the queue. So far, just one Country is leaving, maybe.

HYUFD

Howard Dean endorses the LDs

https://mobile.twitter.com/GovHowardDean/status/821339265107955712

Scott_P

TechnicallyRon:

"I'd like to cancel my netflix subscription"
"ok"
"But I still want to watch everything"
"But"
"It's called global netflix"
"but"
"Brexflix"

chestnut

paulbarker said:

Of course in the real world their is a queue to join The EU & a bunch of other Countries trying to join the queue. So far, just one Country is leaving, maybe.

The queue is Albania, Montenegro and some other places that are smaller than the average Hackney council estate.

CornishBlue

paulbarker said:

Of course in the real world their is a queue to join The EU & a bunch of other Countries trying to join the queue. So far, just one Country is leaving, maybe.

Erm, and what sort of countries are queuing to join? Wealthy, liberal, stable democracies? Serbia, Turkey, Ukraine...

And which countries in Europe have not joined, or are now leaving? Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Great Britain...

Reality Strikes Again.

CornishBlue

Pong said:

steve_garner said:

On Sky News tomorrow's Sun front page does not look like OGH's version.

The lightbulb one was crap.

I have a feeling that they got a phone call from the Foreign Office along the lines of "really, this is probably not the best time for this... once we've left with the deal in the bag, then let rip on Johny".

edmundintokyo

On topic, I wish newspapers would take bets on the thing they say will happen happening.

brokenwheel

paulbarker said:

Of course in the real world their is a queue to join The EU & a bunch of other Countries trying to join the queue. So far, just one Country is leaving, maybe.

Well, there was all the time our government was telling them to join and that we were happy to pay...

FrancisUrquhart

Scott_P said:

TechnicallyRon:

"I'd like to cancel my netflix subscription"
"ok"
"But I still want to watch everything"
"But"
"It's called global netflix"
"but"
"Brexflix"

Netflix love the EU....and their totally unnecessary inferring.

Netflix and Amazon must guarantee 20% of content is European

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/may/25/netflix-and-amazon-must-guarantee-20-of-content-is-european

Casino_Royale

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

I laughed out loud... Very good.

It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.

It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.

Absolutely, let the media run with the hyperbole and the serious negotiation be done in the background.

Well done for your essay earlier by the way, you should really have submitted it to OGH as a header.

Many thanks.

Casino_Royale

PAW said:

Casino_Royale - how are you finding the Jag?

It arrives in 6 weeks.

I'm excited.

MTimT

That is a real LibDem job on the vertical scale for Sun sales. I wonder how the Sun's circulation fall compares to the Grauniad's or the Independent's ... (latter is deliberately cheeky)

CornishBlue

chestnut said:

paulbarker said:

Of course in the real world their is a queue to join The EU & a bunch of other Countries trying to join the queue. So far, just one Country is leaving, maybe.

The queue is Albania, Montenegro and some other places that are smaller than the average Hackney council estate.

And with a combined GDP of Rutland. If that.

viewcode

FPT @Casino_Royale

Casino_Royale said:

I just bought a brand new Jaguar XE. In British Racing Green. I'm not joking.

There's nothing on telly but brexit shit[1]. Go on, cheer me up. Why a brand-new XE? Jags are lovely but depreciate like a lead shed: did you consider buying a nearly-new instead?

[1] "something something Britain/ish something" programs: Ray Mears' Wild Britain, Penelope Keith's Great British Villages, Britain's Greatest Bridges ("Tonight: Menai Bridge!") Great British Bake Off, Great Britain's Greatest Benefit Cheats Great, Great Britain's British Great Britain Greatness, Botched-up Bodies ("They went abroad for surgery! FOOLS!") and Michael Portillo's Fucking Midlife Crisis on a Train.

Big_G_NorthWales

Report that a German company has invented anti rape underwear in view of increasing number of rape attacks and they are selling out completely.

That is just dreadful

Casino_Royale

viewcode said:

FPT @Casino_Royale

Casino_Royale said:

I just bought a brand new Jaguar XE. In British Racing Green. I'm not joking.

There's nothing on telly but brexit shit[1]. Go on, cheer me up. Why a brand-new XE? Jags are lovely but depreciate like a lead shed: did you consider buying a nearly-new instead?

[1] "something something Britain/ish something" programs: Ray Mears' Wild Britain, Penelope Keith's Great British Villages, Britain's Greatest Bridges ("Tonight: Menai Bridge!") Great British Bake Off, Great Britain's Greatest Benefit Cheats Great, Great Britain's British Great Britain Greatness, Botched-up Bodies ("They went abroad for surgery! FOOLS!") and Michael Portillo's Fucking Midlife Crisis on a Train.

I wanted to indulge myself this once. I love how it looks, feels and drives. I was bored (and annoyed) with VW. Plus, you can customise it exactly how you like it: it has latte leather seats, mood lighting, sports spec, and a high-tech info system. I've gone for the petrol turbo, not the diesel.

I also have Union Jack wheel badges, and door trim steps. Natch.

It shouldn't depreciate too badly actually and will still be worth 50% of its brand new price in 4 years.

rottenborough

Theuniondivvie said:

Pong said:

Aaron Banks launches his own fake news website;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38650596

Paul Nuttall watch out.

Got that authentic, niche, hard right right aesthetic down to a tee.

http://www.westmonster.com/

Looks utterly crap. Hardly any content. Crap name. What a disaster.

Black_Rook

MTimT said:

That is a real LibDem job on the vertical scale for Sun sales. I wonder how the Sun's circulation fall compares to the Grauniad's or the Independent's ... (latter is deliberately cheeky)

http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2016/10/20/national-newspaper-abcs-september-2016/

According to these recent figures, The Guardian is down to not much more than 150,000 copies, and is now being outsold by both the FT and the Daily Record (the latter of which, of course, is not widely available outside of Scotland.)

The Sun is down to about 1.7 million. Both Sun and Guardian show year-on-year decline of a little under 6%.

The Sun - for the time being - is still viable. Rumour has it that The Guardian will have burnt through the Scott Trust's entire cash pile in a few years and it will then go the way of The Independent - hence the pathetic begging messages at the end of all the articles on their website.

Big_G_NorthWales

The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.

My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.

Coming to an authority near you apparently

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/nothanks5545/status/821832883639816196

rcs1000

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:

FPT @Casino_Royale

Casino_Royale said:

I just bought a brand new Jaguar XE. In British Racing Green. I'm not joking.

There's nothing on telly but brexit shit[1]. Go on, cheer me up. Why a brand-new XE? Jags are lovely but depreciate like a lead shed: did you consider buying a nearly-new instead?

[1] "something something Britain/ish something" programs: Ray Mears' Wild Britain, Penelope Keith's Great British Villages, Britain's Greatest Bridges ("Tonight: Menai Bridge!") Great British Bake Off, Great Britain's Greatest Benefit Cheats Great, Great Britain's British Great Britain Greatness, Botched-up Bodies ("They went abroad for surgery! FOOLS!") and Michael Portillo's Fucking Midlife Crisis on a Train.

I wanted to indulge myself this once. I love how it looks, feels and drives. I was bored (and annoyed) with VW. Plus, you can customise it exactly how you like it: it has latte leather seats, mood lighting, sports spec, and a high-tech info system. I've gone for the petrol turbo, not the diesel.

I also have Union Jack wheel badges, and door trim steps. Natch.

It shouldn't depreciate too badly actually and will still be worth 50% of its brand new price in 4 years.

This is clearly some new meaning of the word "depreciate" that I wasn't previously aware of.

chestnut

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.

My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.

Coming to an authority near you apparently

Who runs your local authority?

rottenborough

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.

My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.

Coming to an authority near you apparently

Except that at every opportunity the Mail gets they attack any whiff of council tax increase, adding to the household council tax bands, mansion taxes, using parking fines to help local councils, increasing tax subsides to local councils from central government etc etc.

brokenwheel

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Report that a German company has invented anti rape underwear in view of increasing number of rape attacks and they are selling out completely.

That is just dreadful

I'll sell them my Y-fronts.

Tykejohnno

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.

My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.

Coming to an authority near you apparently

Watch the fly tipping,that is a disgrace.

viewcode

Casino_Royale said:

...I wanted to indulge myself this once...

Time you enjoyed wasting...was not wasted.

This guy on YouTube is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aHyx4jftHw

rottenborough

Black_Rook said:

MTimT said:

That is a real LibDem job on the vertical scale for Sun sales. I wonder how the Sun's circulation fall compares to the Grauniad's or the Independent's ... (latter is deliberately cheeky)

http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2016/10/20/national-newspaper-abcs-september-2016/

According to these recent figures, The Guardian is down to not much more than 150,000 copies, and is now being outsold by both the FT and the Daily Record (the latter of which, of course, is not widely available outside of Scotland.)

The Sun is down to about 1.7 million. Both Sun and Guardian show year-on-year decline of a little under 6%.

The Sun - for the time being - is still viable. Rumour has it that The Guardian will have burnt through the Scott Trust's entire cash pile in a few years and it will then go the way of The Independent - hence the pathetic begging messages at the end of all the articles on their website.

Oh, and wouldn't that be brilliant? Another newspaper down the swanny. A vibrant and diverse press with proper, serious journos who investigate stories and write factual stories with genuine quotes has been the lifeblood of democracy for three hundred years.

Sometimes I wonder if most people have any idea what we are losing.

Dromedary

Telegraph: "Without America, Britain must lead in standing up to Tsar Putin's new imperial Russia".

Daily Mail: "Ministers [sic] secret bid to block Trump-Putin pact: Britain practices deploying TANKS through the Channel Tunnel as Whitehall officials try to convince incoming Pentagon counterparts to remain wary of the Russian leader".

Do you know what this is? This is SAD!

Britain now has the US, Russia and Germany against her. When you're in a hole, for goodness sake stop digging!

But no. Mophead Boris puts his foot in his mouth and digs away, talking of punishment beatings. Number Ten has to say oh he was just being theatrical, with the implication that anyone who thinks this twat is a twat must be stupid. We didn't understand. We didn't get the joke. We've got no culture. It couldn't possibly be that he is an "entitled" twat of twats who is utterly unfit for his office.

If May wants to win just a tiny amount of my respect, she should sack him. But she won't.

As they say in Easy Rider, "this used to be a great country". (And before I get jumped on: I am not attacking this country. I am expressing exasperation at the pathetic fools that run it.)

Regarding the topic of this thread: yes Mike, you're right. Many aspects of what makes good propaganda don't change much over the decades. Bernays on propaganda, Linebarger on psychological warfare, Ogilvy on Advertising, Cialdini on influence - they're all as worth reading now as they ever were.

foxinsoxuk

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Report that a German company has invented anti rape underwear in view of increasing number of rape attacks and they are selling out completely.

That is just dreadful

Dreadful. Dreadful patent violation that is!

AntibRape undies were invented some years ago in New York.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2013/nov/11/problem-anti-rape-underwear-chastity-belt?client=ms-android-sonymobile

Though with the pussy grabber at large there, I can understand why.

Dromedary

Tykejohnno said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.

My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.

Coming to an authority near you apparently

Watch the fly tipping,that is a disgrace.

What do you expect people to do if rubbish isn't collected with reasonable frequency? Put up with rats?

foxinsoxuk

rottenborough said:

Black_Rook said:

MTimT said:

That is a real LibDem job on the vertical scale for Sun sales. I wonder how the Sun's circulation fall compares to the Grauniad's or the Independent's ... (latter is deliberately cheeky)

http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2016/10/20/national-newspaper-abcs-september-2016/

According to these recent figures, The Guardian is down to not much more than 150,000 copies, and is now being outsold by both the FT and the Daily Record (the latter of which, of course, is not widely available outside of Scotland.)

The Sun is down to about 1.7 million. Both Sun and Guardian show year-on-year decline of a little under 6%.

The Sun - for the time being - is still viable. Rumour has it that The Guardian will have burnt through the Scott Trust's entire cash pile in a few years and it will then go the way of The Independent - hence the pathetic begging messages at the end of all the articles on their website.

Oh, and wouldn't that be brilliant? Another newspaper down the swanny. A vibrant and diverse press with proper, serious journos who investigate stories and write factual stories with genuine quotes has been the lifeblood of democracy for three hundred years.

Sometimes I wonder if most people have any idea what we are losing.

We will still have Platos twitter chums. What more do you need?

foxinsoxuk

Dromedary said:

Tykejohnno said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.

My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.

Coming to an authority near you apparently

Watch the fly tipping,that is a disgrace.

What do you expect people to do if rubbish isn't collected with reasonable frequency? Put up with rats?

Take it to the tip rather than dump it in a country layby?

RobD

I'm confused, which is the Sun's front page for tomorrow?

Tykejohnno

Dromedary said:

Tykejohnno said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.

My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.

Coming to an authority near you apparently

Watch the fly tipping,that is a disgrace.

What do you expect people to do if rubbish isn't collected with reasonable frequency? Put up with rats?

I meant the 4 weeks collecting was a disgrace.

rottenborough

foxinsoxuk said:

rottenborough said:

Black_Rook said:

MTimT said:

That is a real LibDem job on the vertical scale for Sun sales. I wonder how the Sun's circulation fall compares to the Grauniad's or the Independent's ... (latter is deliberately cheeky)

http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2016/10/20/national-newspaper-abcs-september-2016/

According to these recent figures, The Guardian is down to not much more than 150,000 copies, and is now being outsold by both the FT and the Daily Record (the latter of which, of course, is not widely available outside of Scotland.)

The Sun is down to about 1.7 million. Both Sun and Guardian show year-on-year decline of a little under 6%.

The Sun - for the time being - is still viable. Rumour has it that The Guardian will have burnt through the Scott Trust's entire cash pile in a few years and it will then go the way of The Independent - hence the pathetic begging messages at the end of all the articles on their website.

Oh, and wouldn't that be brilliant? Another newspaper down the swanny. A vibrant and diverse press with proper, serious journos who investigate stories and write factual stories with genuine quotes has been the lifeblood of democracy for three hundred years.

Sometimes I wonder if most people have any idea what we are losing.

We will still have Platos twitter chums. What more do you need?