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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Betting on Mrs May outdistancing Mrs Thatcher’s tenure as Prime Minister

William Hill have a market on whether Mrs May being Prime Minister for longer than the country’s first Prime Minister. To be honest I’m not enthused by either option. To win the  10/1, you’d be tying up your money for the next eleven years, I can think of better things to do with my money than given William Hill an interest free loan for eleven years.

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057
    No chance. She might not last 2 years.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Second like Hillary.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited January 2017

    PlatoSaid said:

    Just for @SouthamObserver

    @nytpolitics CNN just contradicted you with this picture...looks like more people for Trump than you show? https://t.co/DemnUhiFch

    Cheers - much smaller crowds than Obama got.

    Why does Trump even care about this? And why on earth does he care to the extent of lying about it? Just bizarre.

    See: https://twitter.com/rascouet/status/823035518313267202
    I agree with basically this analysis other than I don't think it is about laying down the law now, trump has been playing the lying media angle for 18 months. And what allows him to get away with it is the media lost any sense of balance and have spun every little thing as negatively about him to the extent that they have lied about him, which opens the door for people doubting the media...

    it's kind like the daily mail and immigration stories here eg the adults as kids, set off a load of fake news on Twitter about was the daily mail photographing an interpreter (when it was Getty and one of the "child" migrants)...but people were willing to believe Twitter vs mail.

    Also this latest outburst has buried the Obama care repel stuff.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,377
    From the last thread :
    HYUFD said:

    We discussed this a few weeks ago, but there's an update, Cowley Tech further confirms its status as a dump

    Oxford University faces a landmark trial over a claim for $1.6 million compensation from a student who alleges “boring” and “appallingly bad” tuition cost him a first-class degree and robbed him of the high-flying legal career he coveted.

    The university had applied to the High Court to strike out the claim for damages by Faiz Siddiqui, who studied modern history at Brasenose College more than 16 years ago, arguing it was “hopelessly bad” and “time barred”.

    However, in an 18-page judgment, Mr Justice Kerr refused to do so and instead ruled that Oxford “has a case to answer” and that the arguments should be heard in a trial “as soon as possible”.


    To be honest if I was Hizzoner Kerr, I'd have thrown the case out saying Siddiqui should have been aware that it is common knowledge for centuries that Oxford is hopelessly bad.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/oxford-university-ordered-to-face-trial-over-bad-teaching/news-story/16608fda7aeafb11c902dd15f38166ee

    What has a history dehree got to do with a legal career anyway?
    If he had gone to Fenland Poly, he could have become a KGB agent. Think of the career advantages...
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    First.

    - Sean Spicer

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991
    Agree she will probably be there until 2024 and then hand over, maybe to Hammond. So she will be there longer than Major, Brown and Cameron but not as long as Thatcher and Blair
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991

    From the last thread :

    HYUFD said:

    We discussed this a few weeks ago, but there's an update, Cowley Tech further confirms its status as a dump

    Oxford University faces a landmark trial over a claim for $1.6 million compensation from a student who alleges “boring” and “appallingly bad” tuition cost him a first-class degree and robbed him of the high-flying legal career he coveted.

    The university had applied to the High Court to strike out the claim for damages by Faiz Siddiqui, who studied modern history at Brasenose College more than 16 years ago, arguing it was “hopelessly bad” and “time barred”.

    However, in an 18-page judgment, Mr Justice Kerr refused to do so and instead ruled that Oxford “has a case to answer” and that the arguments should be heard in a trial “as soon as possible”.


    To be honest if I was Hizzoner Kerr, I'd have thrown the case out saying Siddiqui should have been aware that it is common knowledge for centuries that Oxford is hopelessly bad.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/oxford-university-ordered-to-face-trial-over-bad-teaching/news-story/16608fda7aeafb11c902dd15f38166ee

    What has a history dehree got to do with a legal career anyway?
    If he had gone to Fenland Poly, he could have become a KGB agent. Think of the career advantages...
    So many missed opportunities...
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,586
    Rubbish bet, but an interesting question.
    Given her age and potential health problems, I would guess that her stepping down before the 2025 election (assuming, of course, that a snap election in the next twelve months doesn't muck up the electoral timeframe) is the most likely outcome.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,377
    HYUFD said:

    Agree she will probably be there until 2024 and then hand over, maybe to Hammond. So she will be there longer than Major, Brown and Cameron but not as long as Thatcher and Blair

    When was the last time that the successor as Prime Minister was the expected one? Brown?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Not a market I like. The long odds take a damned long time to collect, and the odds aren't worth it. The short odds are likelier but could take a decade to come in and the return is very low.

    Better to take the (no longer available) 26 for Bottas to win the title this year (each way).
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    First *female* pm in second line of threader.

    She won't.
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    From the last thread :

    HYUFD said:

    We discussed this a few weeks ago, but there's an update, Cowley Tech further confirms its status as a dump

    Oxford University faces a landmark trial over a claim for $1.6 million compensation from a student who alleges “boring” and “appallingly bad” tuition cost him a first-class degree and robbed him of the high-flying legal career he coveted.

    The university had applied to the High Court to strike out the claim for damages by Faiz Siddiqui, who studied modern history at Brasenose College more than 16 years ago, arguing it was “hopelessly bad” and “time barred”.

    However, in an 18-page judgment, Mr Justice Kerr refused to do so and instead ruled that Oxford “has a case to answer” and that the arguments should be heard in a trial “as soon as possible”.


    To be honest if I was Hizzoner Kerr, I'd have thrown the case out saying Siddiqui should have been aware that it is common knowledge for centuries that Oxford is hopelessly bad.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/oxford-university-ordered-to-face-trial-over-bad-teaching/news-story/16608fda7aeafb11c902dd15f38166ee

    What has a history dehree got to do with a legal career anyway?
    If he had gone to Fenland Poly, he could have become a KGB agent. Think of the career advantages...
    Don't forget the Oxford University Russian spy ring that was hushed up.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/kgbs-oxford-spy-recruiter-unmasked/news-story/eab1d3dd134f2528b036dff98da1f4a3
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    Ishmael_Z said:

    First *female* pm in second line of threader.

    She won't.

    Well done for spotting my, ahem deliberate, mistake.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991

    HYUFD said:

    Agree she will probably be there until 2024 and then hand over, maybe to Hammond. So she will be there longer than Major, Brown and Cameron but not as long as Thatcher and Blair

    When was the last time that the successor as Prime Minister was the expected one? Brown?
    Eden and Callaghan were not that unexpected and Major only got it after being made Chancellor
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    PlatoSaid said:

    Just for @SouthamObserver

    @nytpolitics CNN just contradicted you with this picture...looks like more people for Trump than you show? https://t.co/DemnUhiFch

    Cheers - much smaller crowds than Obama got.

    Why does Trump even care about this? And why on earth does he care to the extent of lying about it? Just bizarre.

    See: https://twitter.com/rascouet/status/823035518313267202
    I agree with basically this analysis other than I don't think it is about laying down the law now, trump has been playing the lying media angle for 18 months. And what allows him to get away with it is the media lost any sense of balance and have spun every little thing as negatively about him to the extent that they have lied about him, which opens the door for people doubting the media...

    it's kind like the daily mail and immigration stories here eg the adults as kids, set off a load of fake news on Twitter about was the daily mail photographing an interpreter (when it was Getty and one of the "child" migrants)...but people were willing to believe Twitter vs mail.

    Also this latest outburst has buried the Obama care repel stuff.
    Exactly. The media, celebrities, etc, have only themselves to blame.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited January 2017

    PlatoSaid said:

    Just for @SouthamObserver

    @nytpolitics CNN just contradicted you with this picture...looks like more people for Trump than you show? https://t.co/DemnUhiFch

    Cheers - much smaller crowds than Obama got.

    Why does Trump even care about this? And why on earth does he care to the extent of lying about it? Just bizarre.

    See: https://twitter.com/rascouet/status/823035518313267202
    I agree with basically this analysis other than I don't think it is about laying down the law now, trump has been playing the lying media angle for 18 months. And what allows him to get away with it is the media lost any sense of balance and have spun every little thing as negatively about him to the extent that they have lied about him, which opens the door for people doubting the media...

    it's kind like the daily mail and immigration stories here eg the adults as kids, set off a load of fake news on Twitter about was the daily mail photographing an interpreter (when it was Getty and one of the "child" migrants)...but people were willing to believe Twitter vs mail.

    Also this latest outburst has buried the Obama care repel stuff.
    Exactly. The media, celebrities, etc, have only themselves to blame.
    They don't help themselves when they start saying stuff like blow up the white house. It just plays into Trumps hands.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    On topic. - In theory, couldn’t this bet take >10 years before pay out?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453


    First.

    - Sean Spicer

    Like
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,586

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Not a market I like. The long odds take a damned long time to collect, and the odds aren't worth it. The short odds are likelier but could take a decade to come in and the return is very low.

    Better to take the (no longer available) 26 for Bottas to win the title this year (each way).

    Those are not terrible odds - after all, Schumacher lost the championship in '99 through injury - but will Mercedes be so dominant next year ?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,377
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Agree she will probably be there until 2024 and then hand over, maybe to Hammond. So she will be there longer than Major, Brown and Cameron but not as long as Thatcher and Blair

    When was the last time that the successor as Prime Minister was the expected one? Brown?
    Eden and Callaghan were not that unexpected and Major only got it after being made Chancellor
    True on Eden - the anointed successor indeed. Callaghan... yes.

    Major was the quiet, dark horse candidate. I got 20-1 on him - it was back when I allowed myself to bet.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    PlatoSaid said:

    Just for @SouthamObserver

    @nytpolitics CNN just contradicted you with this picture...looks like more people for Trump than you show? https://t.co/DemnUhiFch

    Cheers - much smaller crowds than Obama got.

    Why does Trump even care about this? And why on earth does he care to the extent of lying about it? Just bizarre.

    See: https://twitter.com/rascouet/status/823035518313267202
    I agree with basically this analysis other than I don't think it is about laying down the law now, trump has been playing the lying media angle for 18 months. And what allows him to get away with it is the media lost any sense of balance and have spun every little thing as negatively about him to the extent that they have lied about him, which opens the door for people doubting the media...

    it's kind like the daily mail and immigration stories here eg the adults as kids, set off a load of fake news on Twitter about was the daily mail photographing an interpreter (when it was Getty and one of the "child" migrants)...but people were willing to believe Twitter vs mail.

    Also this latest outburst has buried the Obama care repel stuff.
    Exactly. The media, celebrities, etc, have only themselves to blame.

    Every time Trump pretends he's a snowflake and "upset" over something, the reporters fall in glee over it and make fun of him. Meanwhile real scrutiny doesn't happen.

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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,377

    From the last thread :

    HYUFD said:

    We discussed this a few weeks ago, but there's an update, Cowley Tech further confirms its status as a dump

    Oxford University faces a landmark trial over a claim for $1.6 million compensation from a student who alleges “boring” and “appallingly bad” tuition cost him a first-class degree and robbed him of the high-flying legal career he coveted.

    The university had applied to the High Court to strike out the claim for damages by Faiz Siddiqui, who studied modern history at Brasenose College more than 16 years ago, arguing it was “hopelessly bad” and “time barred”.

    However, in an 18-page judgment, Mr Justice Kerr refused to do so and instead ruled that Oxford “has a case to answer” and that the arguments should be heard in a trial “as soon as possible”.


    To be honest if I was Hizzoner Kerr, I'd have thrown the case out saying Siddiqui should have been aware that it is common knowledge for centuries that Oxford is hopelessly bad.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/oxford-university-ordered-to-face-trial-over-bad-teaching/news-story/16608fda7aeafb11c902dd15f38166ee

    What has a history dehree got to do with a legal career anyway?
    If he had gone to Fenland Poly, he could have become a KGB agent. Think of the career advantages...
    Don't forget the Oxford University Russian spy ring that was hushed up.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/kgbs-oxford-spy-recruiter-unmasked/news-story/eab1d3dd134f2528b036dff98da1f4a3
    True - but they were far better spies than the Cambridge lot. :-)
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,971
    Scott_P said:


    First.

    - Sean Spicer

    Like
    This could become a very tedious meme quite soon. Though I do quite like "Kelis' milkshake brought NO boys to the yard, period".
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. B, that is the question. Consensus at this early stage is, alas, yes.

    Also, it's each way, so Bottas only needs to be top 3.
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    Never thought I'd be retweeting Bill Kristol approvingly; strange times.

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/823169825577037826
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited January 2017
    Is also very clever as he appears to take the moral high ground as the tv is filled with luuvies having a temper tantrum and spouting nonsense.

    Eventually the media and his opponents will learn, although they seem very slow on the uptake. Trump's Twitter game is very strong!
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869

    PlatoSaid said:

    Just for @SouthamObserver

    @nytpolitics CNN just contradicted you with this picture...looks like more people for Trump than you show? https://t.co/DemnUhiFch

    Cheers - much smaller crowds than Obama got.

    Why does Trump even care about this? And why on earth does he care to the extent of lying about it? Just bizarre.

    See: https://twitter.com/rascouet/status/823035518313267202
    I agree with basically this analysis other than I don't think it is about laying down the law now, trump has been playing the lying media angle for 18 months. And what allows him to get away with it is the media lost any sense of balance and have spun every little thing as negatively about him to the extent that they have lied about him, which opens the door for people doubting the media...

    it's kind like the daily mail and immigration stories here eg the adults as kids, set off a load of fake news on Twitter about was the daily mail photographing an interpreter (when it was Getty and one of the "child" migrants)...but people were willing to believe Twitter vs mail.

    Also this latest outburst has buried the Obama care repel stuff.
    Exactly. The media, celebrities, etc, have only themselves to blame.

    Every time Trump pretends he's a snowflake and "upset" over something, the reporters fall in glee over it and make fun of him. Meanwhile real scrutiny doesn't happen.

    So are you saying this behaviour is a signal that there's something happening he wants to obscure? Seems like a fairly simple heads-up rule to twig for observers.

    Good afternoon, everybody.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,377

    PlatoSaid said:

    Just for @SouthamObserver

    @nytpolitics CNN just contradicted you with this picture...looks like more people for Trump than you show? https://t.co/DemnUhiFch

    Cheers - much smaller crowds than Obama got.

    Why does Trump even care about this? And why on earth does he care to the extent of lying about it? Just bizarre.

    See: https://twitter.com/rascouet/status/823035518313267202
    I agree with basically this analysis other than I don't think it is about laying down the law now, trump has been playing the lying media angle for 18 months. And what allows him to get away with it is the media lost any sense of balance and have spun every little thing as negatively about him to the extent that they have lied about him, which opens the door for people doubting the media...

    it's kind like the daily mail and immigration stories here eg the adults as kids, set off a load of fake news on Twitter about was the daily mail photographing an interpreter (when it was Getty and one of the "child" migrants)...but people were willing to believe Twitter vs mail.

    Also this latest outburst has buried the Obama care repel stuff.
    Exactly. The media, celebrities, etc, have only themselves to blame.
    They don't help themselves when they start saying stuff like blow up the white house. It just plays into Trumps hands.
    People keep on going on about Trump's devious media manipulation. To be honest his stuff reminds me of this :

    Eric 'Otter' Stratton: Greg, look at my thumb.
    [Gregg looks at Otter's thumb. Otter punches Gregg in the face]
    Eric 'Otter' Stratton: Gee, you're dumb.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991
    edited January 2017

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Agree she will probably be there until 2024 and then hand over, maybe to Hammond. So she will be there longer than Major, Brown and Cameron but not as long as Thatcher and Blair

    When was the last time that the successor as Prime Minister was the expected one? Brown?
    Eden and Callaghan were not that unexpected and Major only got it after being made Chancellor
    True on Eden - the anointed successor indeed. Callaghan... yes.

    Major was the quiet, dark horse candidate. I got 20-1 on him - it was back when I allowed myself to bet.
    Indeed a good bet then but now you would need to bet on someone replacing Hammond as Chancellor, until then Hammond is frontrunner
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I'd be more interested in the odds on her not seeing the year out.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,971

    Never thought I'd be retweeting Bill Kristol approvingly; strange times.

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/823169825577037826

    Well really it's Vaclav Havel you're quoting with approval - which is the only way of quoting him, of course.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Theresa May probably won't last that long because she won't want to. As well as her age and health, already mentioned, is that apart from being in charge (seductive, admittedly) there is precious little sign from her six years as Home Secretary or in various Shadow front bench posts that Theresa May believes in anything very much at all. So like David Cameron, she might simply resign when it starts to look a bit too much like hard work.
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    Gracious? Check.

    Tolerant of opposing views? Check.

    Reasonably clearly & elegantly expressed? Check

    No spelling mistakes? Check.

    Written by Trump? Hmm.
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    I'd be more interested in the odds on her not seeing the year out.

    Shadsy has it 5/2 that Mrs May is replaced as PM in 2017

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/british/specials/theresa-may-specials/222643274/
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    Never thought I'd be retweeting Bill Kristol approvingly; strange times.

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/823169825577037826

    Well really it's Vaclav Havel you're quoting with approval - which is the only way of quoting him, of course.
    I'd love to be rt-ing Vaclav but that option is unfortunately unavailable!
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,748
    KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
    ====================
    I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,586

    Mr. B, that is the question. Consensus at this early stage is, alas, yes.

    Also, it's each way, so Bottas only needs to be top 3.

    Each way was excellent value - what are the current odds ?
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    viewcode said:

    KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
    ====================
    I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.

    That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,710
    edited January 2017
    Probably events, dear girl, events. I have a suspicion we may see an uptick in events in the current environment.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. B, given he got the seat, yes. I'm just irked I didn't also back him for the seat itself.

    Bottas is currently 5. If the car is dominant, that's still value each way, but only just. Not interested myself, given how things currently stand.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    No bet. Mrs May will be at most a 2 term PM.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    I'd be more interested in the odds on her not seeing the year out.

    Shadsy has it 5/2 that Mrs May is replaced as PM in 2017

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/british/specials/theresa-may-specials/222643274/
    That's not the bargain of the century either.
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    I'd be more interested in the odds on her not seeing the year out.

    Shadsy has it 5/2 that Mrs May is replaced as PM in 2017

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/british/specials/theresa-may-specials/222643274/
    That's not the bargain of the century either.
    Indeed.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,748

    viewcode said:

    KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
    ====================
    I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.

    That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.
    Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
    ====================
    I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.

    That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.
    Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?
    My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"
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    What a treat to see " The White House " written under charming Kellyann
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    there's spin then there's selling your soul to the devil.......
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Never thought I'd be retweeting Bill Kristol approvingly; strange times.

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/823169825577037826

    Well really it's Vaclav Havel you're quoting with approval - which is the only way of quoting him, of course.
    I'd love to be rt-ing Vaclav but that option is unfortunately unavailable!

    The powerlessness of truth against ignorance is the basis of my favorite Eddie Izzard sketch - Darth Vader at the Deathstar canteen:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw
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    BudGBudG Posts: 711
    MTimT said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
    ====================
    I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.

    That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.
    Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?
    My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"
    My favourite sign was at Blakeney on the North Norfolk coast. There was a collection box on a wall by the quay, with a sign saying "Please give generously to feed the wild birds".

    They had to put a further sign on it saying "Please do not put bread in the above slot." :D
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    edited January 2017
    AnneJGP said:

    Seems like a fairly simple heads-up rule to twig for observers.

    Indeed. But how big are the headlines for the following news items, in comparison?

    1. First step taken in dismantling Obamacare
    2. Son-in-law approved to take a key role in the Administration
    3. 7 year rule waived for General to serve as Secretary of Defense
    4. First two cabinet picks approved are both Generals
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,979
    BBC are now saying she’s ‘under pressure’ over the missile malfunction.

    As someone upthread said, Events, dear girl, events!

    Highly unlikely to be fatal of course, unless someone can show she misled the HoC. Actually that should probably be 'seriously misled'.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057

    An American tweets

    Is he talking about the Brexit vote?
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    An American tweets

    Is he talking about the Brexit vote?
    https://twitter.com/fordm/status/823169418767241216
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057

    An American tweets

    Is he talking about the Brexit vote?
    Trident misfire
    'Twas a joke. :)
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,979

    An American tweets

    Is he talking about the Brexit vote?
    https://twitter.com/fordm/status/823169418767241216
    If the sub was off florida and it was apparently aiming in the general direction of the Canaries that’s fairly severely off course!
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    BudG said:

    MTimT said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
    ====================
    I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.

    That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.
    Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?
    My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"
    My favourite sign was at Blakeney on the North Norfolk coast. There was a collection box on a wall by the quay, with a sign saying "Please give generously to feed the wild birds".

    They had to put a further sign on it saying "Please do not put bread in the above slot." :D
    Very good. My favorite explanation of vote at the UN was when the Canadians were due to not participate (a step further than abstaining) on a roll-call vote, where all the West refused to participate while in the room, to make a point. However, the Canadian chair was empty when their name was called. So later they had to explain "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we were not here when the vote was called, but if we had been, we would not have participated in the vote."
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    Trident issues could have implications within Labour too. Brings the issue into the spotlight again, so can't bury it. And a big shot in the arm for the abolitionists. Harder to get them to keep their traps shut.

    Not good news for May either, but I wonder how much will ultimately come out about all this.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    An American tweets

    Is he talking about the Brexit vote?
    https://twitter.com/fordm/status/823169418767241216
    If the sub was off florida and it was apparently aiming in the general direction of the Canaries that’s fairly severely off course!

    The US is huge. Would they mind losing Florida?

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    An American tweets

    Is he talking about the Brexit vote?
    https://twitter.com/fordm/status/823169418767241216
    If the sub was off florida and it was apparently aiming in the general direction of the Canaries that’s fairly severely off course!

    The US is huge. Would they mind losing Florida?

    No no no...The US is not huge, its yyyyyyyuge....
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,010

    An American tweets

    Is he talking about the Brexit vote?
    https://twitter.com/fordm/status/823169418767241216
    If the sub was off florida and it was apparently aiming in the general direction of the Canaries that’s fairly severely off course!
    Am I the only person who thinks this is utterly risible? The first thing you do when a weapons system doesn't work is not to make a song and dance about it and tell the enemy. You keep quiet about it and fix the problem.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057

    An American tweets

    Is he talking about the Brexit vote?
    https://twitter.com/fordm/status/823169418767241216
    If the sub was off florida and it was apparently aiming in the general direction of the Canaries that’s fairly severely off course!

    The US is huge. Would they mind losing Florida?
    Was this missile heading anywhere in the vicinity of Mar-a-lago?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited January 2017
    A spoof, but this guy makes a lot of pertinent points (again)...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMwjaZouNY
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    A spoof, but this guy makes a lot of pertinent points (again)...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMwjaZouNY

    I do love Jon Pye. He has a brilliant way of expressing home truths about all sides of the argument.
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    Trident issues could have implications within Labour too. Brings the issue into the spotlight again, so can't bury it. And a big shot in the arm for the abolitionists. Harder to get them to keep their traps shut.

    Not good news for May either, but I wonder how much will ultimately come out about all this.

    All complex weapons systems have to undergo regular testing. There will occasionally be bugs which need sorting. It appears that the sub and the crew were certified as having passed the test. Perhaps the US designed missile had the bug. Nothing will come of this non story.

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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    nunu said:

    there's spin then there's selling your soul to the devil.......
    Conway is a true believer, look at her list of former clients.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited January 2017

    A spoof, but this guy makes a lot of pertinent points (again)...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMwjaZouNY

    I do love Jon Pye. He has a brilliant way of expressing home truths about all sides of the argument.
    I am surprised he hasn't been picked up by a tv network / show to do weekly 5 mins rants with this character.
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    A spoof, but this guy makes a lot of pertinent points (again)...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMwjaZouNY

    Painfully unfunny and tired. Crap.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,377
    perdix said:

    Trident issues could have implications within Labour too. Brings the issue into the spotlight again, so can't bury it. And a big shot in the arm for the abolitionists. Harder to get them to keep their traps shut.

    Not good news for May either, but I wonder how much will ultimately come out about all this.

    All complex weapons systems have to undergo regular testing. There will occasionally be bugs which need sorting. It appears that the sub and the crew were certified as having passed the test. Perhaps the US designed missile had the bug. Nothing will come of this non story.

    From the last thread....

    At the risk of introducing facts.. as far as I can tell, since the beginning of the TRident II program, there have been 157 successful flight tests and 6 failures (including partial successes).

    The classic method for estimating the maximum probability of failure is a very simple equation :

    failures / total flights

    See https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120013705.pdf

    which gives us :

    6/163 = 0.0368 = 3.6% maximum chance of failure.

    This is considered a harsh maximum estimate, since most of the failures occurred in the early days of the program - which then conformed to the classic "bathtub" curve of early failures followed by massive increase in reliability.

    This enables us to say that Trident II is reliable at delivering it's warheads to target as a *lower bound* (i.e. it is almost certainly better than this) of 96.3%

    Which in historical terms makes it one of the most reliable weapons in human history....
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,932
    FPT, Cheers to MBE, GIN and Simon for your good wishes. I do indeed have a little left Simon but very depleted now.
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    perdix said:

    Trident issues could have implications within Labour too. Brings the issue into the spotlight again, so can't bury it. And a big shot in the arm for the abolitionists. Harder to get them to keep their traps shut.

    Not good news for May either, but I wonder how much will ultimately come out about all this.

    All complex weapons systems have to undergo regular testing. There will occasionally be bugs which need sorting. It appears that the sub and the crew were certified as having passed the test. Perhaps the US designed missile had the bug. Nothing will come of this non story.

    From the last thread....

    At the risk of introducing facts.. as far as I can tell, since the beginning of the TRident II program, there have been 157 successful flight tests and 6 failures (including partial successes).

    The classic method for estimating the maximum probability of failure is a very simple equation :

    failures / total flights

    See https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120013705.pdf

    which gives us :

    6/163 = 0.0368 = 3.6% maximum chance of failure.

    This is considered a harsh maximum estimate, since most of the failures occurred in the early days of the program - which then conformed to the classic "bathtub" curve of early failures followed by massive increase in reliability.

    This enables us to say that Trident II is reliable at delivering it's warheads to target as a *lower bound* (i.e. it is almost certainly better than this) of 96.3%

    Which in historical terms makes it one of the most reliable weapons in human history....
    Haven't you heard we are now in the post-truth / post-fact era....
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,979
    malcolmg said:

    FPT, Cheers to MBE, GIN and Simon for your good wishes. I do indeed have a little left Simon but very depleted now.

    Please can I add my good wishes.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. G, happy birthday :)
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,932
    Thanks OKC and MD
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    malcolmg said:

    FPT, Cheers to MBE, GIN and Simon for your good wishes. I do indeed have a little left Simon but very depleted now.

    Oho! It's your birthday. Have a happy one and good luck for the year ahead.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549

    An American tweets

    Is he talking about the Brexit vote?
    https://twitter.com/fordm/status/823169418767241216
    If the sub was off florida and it was apparently aiming in the general direction of the Canaries that’s fairly severely off course!
    Am I the only person who thinks this is utterly risible? The first thing you do when a weapons system doesn't work is not to make a song and dance about it and tell the enemy. You keep quiet about it and fix the problem.
    It's not the first missile test to go wrong, or indeed the first Trident test to do so. It's almost as though they are firing these things for a reason rather than for the hell of it.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    BBC are now saying she’s ‘under pressure’ over the missile malfunction.

    As someone upthread said, Events, dear girl, events!

    Highly unlikely to be fatal of course, unless someone can show she misled the HoC. Actually that should probably be 'seriously misled'.

    This is utter rubbish! Missiles, especially test models, frequently misfire and go off course, thats why they are unarmed. So far people are keeping mum if this was an old or new version of Trident.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    It's frequently claimed they can't be used without the knowledge of the US, so someone somewhere in the US must have known.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,971
    edited January 2017

    A spoof, but this guy makes a lot of pertinent points (again)...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMwjaZouNY

    I do love Jon Pye. He has a brilliant way of expressing home truths about all sides of the argument.
    I am surprised he hasn't been picked up by a tv network / show to do weekly 5 mins rants with this character.
    He was - by Russia Today! Which I think has somewhat undermined his reputation. But I agree, he's a verbally dextrous, originally talent - who should now be given an opportunity by BBC2 or Channel 4.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    malcolmg said:

    FPT, Cheers to MBE, GIN and Simon for your good wishes. I do indeed have a little left Simon but very depleted now.

    Happy Birthday Malcolm

    https://twitter.com/cara_hilton/status/823104415187996672
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    malcolmg said:

    FPT, Cheers to MBE, GIN and Simon for your good wishes. I do indeed have a little left Simon but very depleted now.

    Ois Guade zu Deim Geburdstog!
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,417
    perdix said:

    Trident issues could have implications within Labour too. Brings the issue into the spotlight again, so can't bury it. And a big shot in the arm for the abolitionists. Harder to get them to keep their traps shut.

    Not good news for May either, but I wonder how much will ultimately come out about all this.

    All complex weapons systems have to undergo regular testing. There will occasionally be bugs which need sorting. It appears that the sub and the crew were certified as having passed the test. Perhaps the US designed missile had the bug. Nothing will come of this non story.

    Perhaps they have a homing beacon so that if we get any silly ideas they disarm and swim safely back to hq.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    AnneJGP said:

    It's frequently claimed they can't be used without the knowledge of the US, so someone somewhere in the US must have known.
    Knowledge is certainly true, the US spends a lot of money to detect missile launches. That's an entirely different matter from requiring US authority, which is claimed sometimes but almost certainly false.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Incidentally, Homeland's latest series airs tonight at 9pm (Channel 4). Annoyingly, Agents of Shield starts next week, also at 9pm (E4). Boo and also hiss to such things.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,715

    A spoof, but this guy makes a lot of pertinent points (again)...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMwjaZouNY

    Painfully unfunny and tired. Crap.
    But he did make some good points.
    Why has Trump such a thin skin, why does he lie when it's obvious he's lying?
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    glw said:

    AnneJGP said:

    It's frequently claimed they can't be used without the knowledge of the US, so someone somewhere in the US must have known.
    Knowledge is certainly true, the US spends a lot of money to detect missile launches. That's an entirely different matter from requiring US authority, which is claimed sometimes but almost certainly false.

    Presumably they would have warned the US, Russia, and China. Wouldn't want to have started WW3 by mistake.

    We have Donald Trump for that.

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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,073
    edited January 2017

    An American tweets

    Is he talking about the Brexit vote?
    https://twitter.com/fordm/status/823169418767241216
    If the sub was off florida and it was apparently aiming in the general direction of the Canaries that’s fairly severely off course!
    Am I the only person who thinks this is utterly risible? The first thing you do when a weapons system doesn't work is not to make a song and dance about it and tell the enemy. You keep quiet about it and fix the problem.
    It would probably have helped if the MoD hadn't been in the habit of releasing little propaganda puff videos after previous successful firings but unaccountably forgot to this time; this might have provided even the crappiest intelligence services with a lightbulb moment. Still, the MoD have said 'We have absolute confidence in our independent nuclear deterrent' which will reassure everyone.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,979
    MikeK said:

    BBC are now saying she’s ‘under pressure’ over the missile malfunction.

    As someone upthread said, Events, dear girl, events!

    Highly unlikely to be fatal of course, unless someone can show she misled the HoC. Actually that should probably be 'seriously misled'.

    This is utter rubbish! Missiles, especially test models, frequently misfire and go off course, thats why they are unarmed. So far people are keeping mum if this was an old or new version of Trident.
    Of course they do. But keeping quiet once it’s out in the open is adding to the problem. As I said, highly unlikely to be fatal, but now, and unnecessarily, embarrassing.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,932
    MikeK said:

    malcolmg said:

    FPT, Cheers to MBE, GIN and Simon for your good wishes. I do indeed have a little left Simon but very depleted now.

    Oho! It's your birthday. Have a happy one and good luck for the year ahead.
    cheers Mike
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057

    Still, the MOD have said 'We have absolute confidence in our independent nuclear deterrent' which will reassure everyone.

    It's so independent it's got a mind of its own.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,298
    MTimT said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
    ====================
    I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.

    That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.
    Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?
    My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"
    There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,932

    malcolmg said:

    FPT, Cheers to MBE, GIN and Simon for your good wishes. I do indeed have a little left Simon but very depleted now.

    Ois Guade zu Deim Geburdstog!
    vielen dank
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549

    Presumably they would have warned the US, Russia, and China. Wouldn't want to have started WW3 by mistake.

    For sure, and the US was likely doing a lot of the heavy lifting in the testing anyway as they have the kit.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,932
    Scott_P said:

    malcolmg said:

    FPT, Cheers to MBE, GIN and Simon for your good wishes. I do indeed have a little left Simon but very depleted now.

    Happy Birthday Malcolm

    https://twitter.com/cara_hilton/status/823104415187996672
    Cheers Scott.

    I have not even applied for mine yet and unlikely to do so as I hardly ever use one and my wife will not use at all. On the few occasions I do use on I am usually about the only person paying.
    65 is well early enough to be getting free travel and in fact at worst it should be linked to state pension.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,748
    Scott_P said:

    ...Happy Birthday Malcolm

    Happy Bday, Malc!

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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited January 2017
    I don't see May lasting beyond 2025. I think she will be forced out even if she wins a majority in a general election by somebody more charismatic.

    I have wondered about an early general election, I think spring 2019 is the likely date. My reasoning is several important factors come into play. First of all the boundary changes should have been implemented. Secondly and most importantly A50 will be running up toward it's expiry. Thirdly, austerity should give way to a more generous budget / giveaway, which means social security claimants/ public sector employees and the like experience growth in their income. Indeed I do wonder if the Tories have stalled on Brexit and A50 so they can get a mandate at the end of the two years after A50 has been triggered for the above reasons.

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