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The Lib Dem leader told Politics Home “In a really peculiar way I felt slightly proud of her when she became prime minister.” A very odd thing to say, isn’t it?
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https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/fillon-urges-merkel-bring-russia-130939357.html
Labour plan to vote for Brexit, mostly.
Whos the "Soft Spot" there?
Was in Stoke this morning, fog and all, Labour will win if they choose a local candidate, otherwise it will be the excellent local Lib Dem who wins.
I'm sure a few others will greatly enjoy reposting the referendum result so well done for including them.
a) comfortable for Farron's politics and
b) probably the largest group of voters that are unhappy.
In the 1980s, the Liberals and SDP needed to supplant the Labour party and they failed to do that. Farron's biggest problem is the union money that still flows to Labour. Now if the Conservatives had changed the law on that, then Farron would have a chance.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjz292FqtjRAhWJL8AKHfd8DVgQFghTMAk&url=https://www.guildford.gov.uk/media/16031/Item-05---Pension-fund-valuationpdf/pdf/pdf214_1.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFdDSqXtYGGwq8Mq2K78mnEL2Rg6Q&sig2=JFy-hNw75teo_0C3HpurCQ&bvm=bv.144686652,d.ZGg
(Unlike some of the rather Trumpian and debasing remarks posted on here over the weekend by some who should have known better.)
I know LAB has been unsettled by the recent Sunderland Council by-election that the Lib Dems took on a 30+% swing moving from 4.5% to 46% in the process. A similar campaign is likely to operate in Stoke
The thinking Don exhibits still seems to regard the Lib Dems as Labour's country cousins. They're not; they're opponents every bit as much as the Tories. You'd think they might have learned that from 2010.
And what is this "battle" of which Don speaks? What do Labour want to do? Block it?
If they have positive ideas for what do with the acquis, once it's all in UK law, let's hear them.
So far it still seems that Labour is reacting to all the Government's moves and being dragged kicking and screaming down the Brexit road rather than offering their own alternative vision.
Yes. Only Labour tribalism is allowed.
Perhaps having made it we can turn it into an export industry.
I hear that she is friendless, ruthless, disliked amongst colleagues, and blames others for their mistakes rather than backing them.
Then I hear from some interviewers and people who've known her/worked closely with her that she's one of the nicest and most honest politicians they've ever known, and the public seem rather fond of her.
Of course, they should now stand in Copeland - next door to Farron's seat. But what about Stoke ?
Don, there’s no point railing against Tim Farron, the Lib Dems are merely taking advantage of the void left by Labour’s poor leadership. They’re a different party btw, not your lap dogs.
And the latter from less obviously biased sources.
Cf Fiona Hill and Nicky Morgan and the discussion of Mrs May's trousers.
Does anyone understand it, let alone think it is the vital first step?
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/823536187025408000
“In a really peculiar way I felt slightly proud of her when she became prime minister.” A very odd thing to say, isn’t it?
When the article has it as
“But in a really peculiar way I felt slightly proud of her when she became prime minister. A very odd thing to say, isn’t it?”
?
i.e. Farron himself drew attention to the oddness of his own remark.
I also found the comments about May interesting. Did she really vote remain, did she know about Trident? Perhaps she is not as truthful as many think she is.
F1: piece on Liberty and the changes they want to make:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38679158
We'll see what happens.
Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir Starmer vowed his party would fight Ms May “all the way” if she tried to use Brexit as an opportunity to adopt the so-called “Henry VIII powers”.
The expected move by the Government would render Parliament almost powerless to stop Tory ministers in post-Brexit Britain from dumping rights previously enshrined in EU law.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-theresa-may-great-repeal-bill-rejection-a7538281.html
Perhaps something to bear in mind when betting on an early election.
Exert from header para 1
Since you’re asking, Tim – Yes it is a bit odd. Not only is she a Tory.
Don, it took you until the third line to highlight on major reason why Labour can not make any progress.
Until you (Labour) grasp the inherent stupidity, unattractiveness and unpopularity of the relentless imbecilic and childlike mantra of 'hate a Tory' with the mass of voters you have no hope. Sure it resonates with 10% of the voters, and they are concentrated in your heartlands. For the other 90% of tolerant and reasonable people, they scratch heads, look and think what an idiot view point that is.
The party one supports or the way anyone votes is no reason to 'hate' them. Until Labour expunge this malignant belief from their thoughts and vocabulary they are doomed.
What they should be saying is: 'Let's leave the EU as we voted for but campaign to get elected on the back of a popular and right labour law policy'. Fat chance.
This is, of course, one reason why Remain lost. They don't like democracy or the fact that the people might elect governments whose policies they oppose. Shouting 'Vote Remain to protect labour laws' is tantamount to shouting 'Vote Remain becasue you know Labour will never form a government again and we can enact our policy through the back door'.
But also worth considering that the Tories might be rationing money precisely because of the risk of a May election. (I have no inside knowledge here).
Wouldn't call her charming; "nice"? probably not. But decent and (inasmuch as one can tell these things) seems principled enough.
Labour: 33-35%
UKIP: 25-27%
LD: 18-19%
Con: 14-15%
Others: 6-7%
To me.
It is Mrs May who is saying all EU employment laws and protections will be honoured post Brexit by her, and Labour are saying 'no, sorry, we don't trust you'
Just imagine how uncomfortable you and I would have felt if Tony Blair or Gordon Brown had used Henry VII clauses on so much legislation, a Tory leader wouldn't have given them a free pass.
More like an A380 plunging into a mountainside than a car crash.
On a more cheerful note - typo of the day: Someone meant to write "Sorry to bother you again" but for some reason 'bother' was replaced with 'bottom'.
I'd argue moves to strengthen the acquis or liberalise it, post Brexit, should be subjects of major interest in the GE2020 election manifestos.
Or they would be if Labour wasn't led by an idiot.
Clearly you can't read. That's not what they are saying.
It is Mrs May who is saying all EU employment laws and protections will be honoured post Brexit by her, and Labour are saying 'no, sorry, we don't trust you'
Are we not agreeing then? I believe I can read:
Labour will not back a vital piece of Theresa May’s Brexit legislation if it contains sweeping powers allowing ministers to scrap vital workers’ rights
so...Labour want to remove a UK government's ability to change an existing set of laws (which we'll adopt wholesale on exit). They don't believe in the sovereignty of Parliament. The whole point of Brexit is that Parliament gets to decide for good or bad (and not Brussels).
Labour is playing a very TACTICAL game here, trying to block a short term outcome, whilst completely flunking a STRATEGIC point, that parliaments are sovereign. Insane. I refer you back to the Battle of Britain thread a few days ago on the same.
Well, that gave me a good laugh to relieve the tedium of my afternoon.
On a related matter:
[14:12] Naeem Aslam, chief market analyst at Think Markets UK, said:
"Ahead of tomorrow’s Supreme Court’s decision, both FTSE and sterling are the major focus for investors. If the Supreme court provides a decision which is against the government’s unilateral power (triggering the article 50), we could see sterling moving higher. The reason will be that parliament will have much more to say in triggering Article 50 and most importantly, it fades the chances of Scotland prompting another referendum. Scotland can no longer play the card that the Brexit is against their will if the vote comes to the parliament. As for the FTSE, higher sterling could take some more wind out of the index.
On the flip side, if the Supreme court says that Theresa May does have a unilateral decision in activating article 50, we could see the sterling falling. Traders will perceive that Theresa May is going to achieve her “clean” Brexit without major hurdles. "
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2017/jan/23/pound-hits-five-week-high-as-trump-fears-weaken-dollar-business-live
Mr. Aslam is almost certainly right about how the market will react, but this just goes to show how completely out with the fairies the markets are about the politics of Article 50. A 'clean Brexit without major hurdles' is unquestionably the best possible outcome for the economy. A confused situation, with the PM having attempt extremely difficult negotiations whilst fighting off partisan rearguard wrecking operations from grand-standing MPs would, if she couldn't brush them off, guarantee a chaotic Brexit and a worse deal for the UK, with the EU trying to drive a wedge between the government and parliament.
As for the idea that a Westminster vote would mean that the Scots would no longer play the card that the Brexit is against their will, words fail me!
Labour to be nutmegged by the nutcrackers.
This is what you should pay attention to
Sir Keir gave Ms May credit for saying that workplace rights would be protected as the UK takes on existing EU law.
But I don't think UKIP have a scooby how to work a seat. Nor why Stokies should be particularly animated to voter for him.
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-af/betting/politics/british/next-speaker/next-house-of-commons-speaker/223185105/
"TBH Farron's comment about May makes me rather warm to him. At least he has the class to accept that political opponents can be decent people even if you disagree with their views."
Exactly. That's why I have doubts about Burnham. The "I've never kissed a Tory" t-shirt story made me doubt his sanity. If a gorgeous women came up to me when I was young and single and said "Let's have mad, passionate sex. But I voted Tory at the last election," guess what I would have done.
It's worrying that Burnham wasn't laughed out of the Labour Party.
"I wish I'd met such women."
We can all dream. In fact, she could have been wearing a Pol Pot t-shirt or one with a Nazi swastika. Fashion sense or politics isn't all that important.
You would.
Wales unhappy with May's plans.
Tribal, much?
As ever, the right think the left are good people with bad ideas
The left think the right are bad people
Farron's comment does him credit.
Brind's article does himself none.
I instantly thought of Raj and Penny
GCHQ director resigns "to spend more time with his family"
An explanation that seems so obviously bullshit that it's probably true.
I'll go;
1/2 true, or mostly true.
2/1 been blackmailed/phished, or some other scandal which may or may not emerge.
US president Donald Trump has said that America will impose a very major border tax, echoing his protectionist campaign promises, according to wire reports."
I'm still right about Labour and this law. Credit for protecting rights upon assuming the acquis, but teddy in corner if a future parliament votes to change the law. Hmmm....
It would be earlier (i.e. just by midday) except the train service from Carlisle is simply diabolical.
Who did he piss off?
I used to be quite left wing in my youth, and at University I was a member of the Socialist Society. but I probably misread some of the male members who professed to be 'feminists'. I assumed it was a pathetic but transparent attempt to get into the women's knickers. But looking back, I guess that many actually believed what they were saying.
It still seems incredible, even after all these years.