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SystemSystem Posts: 11,005
edited February 2017 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The Greens have the best YouGov party favourability ratings – Paul Nuttall’s UKIP the worst

As I indicated in last post I’m knocked out with after effects of a nasty cold and am feeling very sorry for my myself so won’t be doing much analysis.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    First!
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    THe Lib Dems only 1 point better than Labour and tories a clear second......


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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,916
    Assume this was UK wide, hence poor SNP figures
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    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings
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    The question is which Paul Nuttall? The bloke who lives in a bedsit in Stoke or Dr Paul Nuttall, former professional footballer, who resides in Liverpool?
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    edited February 2017

    Assume this was UK wide, hence poor SNP figures

    I would guess so which makes it unhelpful other than the soft factor around coalition-building.

    Greens I assume is driven substantially by indifference.
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    Assume this was UK wide, hence poor SNP figures

    The SNP are doing little harm to the English, Welsh or Irish, it's the Scots they misrule and loot.
    Their favourability rating may well be lower in Scotland than in other parts.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Thought for the day: the population of Malta is approximately that of Bristol. The PM of Malta gets one of 27 votes in the EU, the Mayor of Bristol does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that nationhood is a thing, and Malta has it and Bristol hasn't. But the Eurocrats believe in supranationality, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Malta's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all Bristol-sized and greater cities are promoted to parity with Malta. And the small fry of the 27 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,916

    Assume this was UK wide, hence poor SNP figures

    The SNP are doing little harm to the English, Welsh or Irish, it's the Scots they misrule and loot.
    Their favourability rating may well be lower in Scotland than in other parts.
    And Remainers are accused of clinging to folorn hopes!
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,336
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Thought for the day: the population of Malta is approximately that of Bristol. The PM of Malta gets one of 27 votes in the EU, the Mayor of Bristol does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that nationhood is a thing, and Malta has it and Bristol hasn't. But the Eurocrats believe in supranationality, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Malta's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all Bristol-sized and greater cities are promoted to parity with Malta. And the small fry of the 27 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
    The USA has more or less managed to square that circle for a couple of centuries, so I wouldn't get too excited.
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    US President Donald Trump has taken his first step to try to scale back US financial services regulations.

    He signed an executive order to review the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial regulations, which some people on Wall Street say are overly-restrictive.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38858009
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Get well soon Mike. x x x
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Thought for the day: the population of Malta is approximately that of Bristol. The PM of Malta gets one of 27 votes in the EU, the Mayor of Bristol does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that nationhood is a thing, and Malta has it and Bristol hasn't. But the Eurocrats believe in supranationality, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Malta's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all Bristol-sized and greater cities are promoted to parity with Malta. And the small fry of the 27 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
    Isn't QMV the solution to that?
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    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Do no harm, yes. Help significantly, no. If the last weeks headlines didn't have an effect, I don't see why today's will either.
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    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Do no harm, yes. Help significantly, no. If the last weeks headlines didn't have an effect, I don't see why today's will either.
    I know - but every little helps
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    edited February 2017

    US President Donald Trump has taken his first step to try to scale back US financial services regulations.

    He signed an executive order to review the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial regulations, which some people on Wall Street say are overly-restrictive.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38858009

    DF is undoubtedly a PITA and needs trimming in parts but to get rid of it all would be unwise. I can guess what the conclusions of the review will be.

    Edit: he doesn't like Basel various either. Again, they're flawed and Basel IV has the risk of driving tradition banks out of the debt business but I don't believe that rigour is where he's coming from. It's evil foreigners stuff at its basest.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011

    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    I've just seen this clip and couldn't help but notice that she was standing next to Angela Merkel at the time.
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    The question is which Paul Nuttall? The bloke who lives in a bedsit in Stoke or Dr Paul Nuttall, former professional footballer, who resides in Liverpool?

    Who cares?
    (apart from Paul Nuttall)
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    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    I've just seen this clip and couldn't help but notice that she was standing next to Angela Merkel at the time.
    Then you'll have noticed that only one of them was interacting with the crowd.......
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    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    I've just seen this clip and couldn't help but notice that she was standing next to Angela Merkel at the time.
    She was interacting with the crowd while Merkel scowls
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    It will be interesting to see how well the LibDems do in the May local elections.

    Wikipedia gives the LibDem national equivalent vote at local elections in non general election years prior to 2010 as:

    2009 28%
    2008 25%
    2007 26%
    2006 25%
    2004 27%
    2003 27%
    2002 27%
    2000 26%
    1999 24%
    1998 25%
    1996 23%
    1995 23%
    1994 27%
    1993 25%

    With Labour disintegrating, UKIP having achieved its purpose and the Remain voters to be a champion of the LibDems should be aiming to get a national equivalent share of at least 25%.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578
    Nigelb said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Thought for the day: the population of Malta is approximately that of Bristol. The PM of Malta gets one of 27 votes in the EU, the Mayor of Bristol does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that nationhood is a thing, and Malta has it and Bristol hasn't. But the Eurocrats believe in supranationality, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Malta's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all Bristol-sized and greater cities are promoted to parity with Malta. And the small fry of the 27 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
    The USA has more or less managed to square that circle for a couple of centuries, so I wouldn't get too excited.
    So the EU needs an elected President, 54 member Senate (2 per member state) and the existing Parliament as the Lower House.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011

    Nigelb said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Thought for the day: the population of Malta is approximately that of Bristol. The PM of Malta gets one of 27 votes in the EU, the Mayor of Bristol does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that nationhood is a thing, and Malta has it and Bristol hasn't. But the Eurocrats believe in supranationality, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Malta's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all Bristol-sized and greater cities are promoted to parity with Malta. And the small fry of the 27 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
    The USA has more or less managed to square that circle for a couple of centuries, so I wouldn't get too excited.
    So the EU needs an elected President, 54 member Senate (2 per member state) and the existing Parliament as the Lower House.
    As your leaflets about giving £350m a week to th NHS did the trick, what the EU should or shouldn't do is no longer your affair.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578

    Nigelb said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Thought for the day: the population of Malta is approximately that of Bristol. The PM of Malta gets one of 27 votes in the EU, the Mayor of Bristol does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that nationhood is a thing, and Malta has it and Bristol hasn't. But the Eurocrats believe in supranationality, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Malta's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all Bristol-sized and greater cities are promoted to parity with Malta. And the small fry of the 27 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
    The USA has more or less managed to square that circle for a couple of centuries, so I wouldn't get too excited.
    So the EU needs an elected President, 54 member Senate (2 per member state) and the existing Parliament as the Lower House.
    As your leaflets about giving £350m a week to th NHS did the trick, what the EU should or shouldn't do is no longer your affair.
    Do you share a flat with Jobabob?
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Thought for the day: the population of Malta is approximately that of Bristol. The PM of Malta gets one of 27 votes in the EU, the Mayor of Bristol does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that nationhood is a thing, and Malta has it and Bristol hasn't. But the Eurocrats believe in supranationality, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Malta's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all Bristol-sized and greater cities are promoted to parity with Malta. And the small fry of the 27 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
    Rhode Island.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    Nigelb said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Thought for the day: the population of Malta is approximately that of Bristol. The PM of Malta gets one of 27 votes in the EU, the Mayor of Bristol does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that nationhood is a thing, and Malta has it and Bristol hasn't. But the Eurocrats believe in supranationality, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Malta's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all Bristol-sized and greater cities are promoted to parity with Malta. And the small fry of the 27 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
    The USA has more or less managed to square that circle for a couple of centuries, so I wouldn't get too excited.
    So the EU needs an elected President, 54 member Senate (2 per member state) and the existing Parliament as the Lower House.
    As your leaflets about giving £350m a week to th NHS did the trick, what the EU should or shouldn't do is no longer your affair.
    oh good

    does that mean youll stop saying we havent left yet ?
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    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Thought for the day: the population of Malta is approximately that of Bristol. The PM of Malta gets one of 27 votes in the EU, the Mayor of Bristol does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that nationhood is a thing, and Malta has it and Bristol hasn't. But the Eurocrats believe in supranationality, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Malta's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all Bristol-sized and greater cities are promoted to parity with Malta. And the small fry of the 27 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
    Rhode Island.
    ...has more people than the largest state in the union, Alaska.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    We get bonus points for having a female Head of State and a female Head of Government.
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    I wonder how much the average British voter really knows about the supposedly warm, eco-friendly Green Party? Whether in fact they are actually closest to the Communists.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    edited February 2017

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
    that bald bloke

    Angela describes her ample chest while getting rogered by the bloke behind

    Tezza tries to figure out if all EU summits are like this

    bald bloke wonders if hes up next
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
    Would it be the woman with a hand growing out of her shoulder?
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    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    We get bonus points for having a female Head of State and a female Head of Government.
    Absolutely
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    Nigelb said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Thought for the day: the population of Malta is approximately that of Bristol. The PM of Malta gets one of 27 votes in the EU, the Mayor of Bristol does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that nationhood is a thing, and Malta has it and Bristol hasn't. But the Eurocrats believe in supranationality, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Malta's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all Bristol-sized and greater cities are promoted to parity with Malta. And the small fry of the 27 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
    The USA has more or less managed to square that circle for a couple of centuries, so I wouldn't get too excited.
    So the EU needs an elected President, 54 member Senate (2 per member state) and the existing Parliament as the Lower House.
    Indeed. Something like that would be quite good for the UK too. And maybe the royal family could be replaced by a/the supreme court
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    We get bonus points for having a female Head of State and a female Head of Government.
    Absolutely
    Scotland woman . NI two women - only the welsh dont have a female leader, but then they vote Labour so no chance
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    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
    Would it be the woman with a hand growing out of her shoulder?
    Is that the best you can find - plenty more show a very different body language. Also it rather sums you up when you would prefer a foreign leader against your own
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    I wonder how much the average British voter really knows about the supposedly warm, eco-friendly Green Party? Whether in fact they are actually closest to the Communists.

    Called water melons for a reason
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,919
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Thought for the day: the population of Malta is approximately that of Bristol. The PM of Malta gets one of 27 votes in the EU, the Mayor of Bristol does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that nationhood is a thing, and Malta has it and Bristol hasn't. But the Eurocrats believe in supranationality, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Malta's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all Bristol-sized and greater cities are promoted to parity with Malta. And the small fry of the 27 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
    Thought for the day: the population of Wyoming is a fraction of that of Los Angeles. A Senator for Wyoming gets one of 100 votes in the US Senate, the Mayor of Los Angeles does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that statehood is a thing, and Wyoming has it and Los Angeles hasn't. But the Founding Fathers believe in nationhood and not just statehood, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Wyoming's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all places the size of Portland, Oregon and greater cities are promoted to parity with Wyoming. And the small fry of the 50 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
    Don't know - but May looks bored
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011

    NI two women

    We haven't had the election yet. Unless you're calling Martin McGuinness a woman?
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
    Would it be the woman with a hand growing out of her shoulder?
    Is that the best you can find - plenty more show a very different body language. Also it rather sums you up when you would prefer a foreign leader against your own
    I'd take foreign but competent any day.
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    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    NI two women

    We haven't had the election yet. Unless you're calling Martin McGuinness a woman?
    well given Im calling you a woman why not Wilma ?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578
    Channel 4 News link the lettuce shortage to climate change.

    Lovely.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
    Would it be the woman with a hand growing out of her shoulder?
    Is that the best you can find - plenty more show a very different body language. Also it rather sums you up when you would prefer a foreign leader against your own
    I'd take foreign but competent any day.
    Mark Carney?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    Channel 4 News link the lettuce shortage to climate change.

    Lovely.

    then youll find theyll say Brexit causes cimate change
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
    Right now I suspect Merkel's financial worries begin and end with Greece.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,247
    edited February 2017

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
    Would it be the woman with a hand growing out of her shoulder?
    Is that the best you can find - plenty more show a very different body language. Also it rather sums you up when you would prefer a foreign leader against your own
    I'd take foreign but competent any day.
    Merkel is foreign and incompetent. She single handedly has brought Europe to the brink with her insane 'come on in' call to the migrants. We saw Hollande today who will be gone in a few weeks and Merkel is presently hanging on by her fingertips.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011
    rcs1000 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Well Theresa May received resounding cheers on a walkabout today in Malta will do no harm to the ratings

    Thought for the day: the population of Malta is approximately that of Bristol. The PM of Malta gets one of 27 votes in the EU, the Mayor of Bristol does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that nationhood is a thing, and Malta has it and Bristol hasn't. But the Eurocrats believe in supranationality, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Malta's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all Bristol-sized and greater cities are promoted to parity with Malta. And the small fry of the 27 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
    Thought for the day: the population of Wyoming is a fraction of that of Los Angeles. A Senator for Wyoming gets one of 100 votes in the US Senate, the Mayor of Los Angeles does not. That is not a terribly interesting paradox if you believe - as most of us do - that statehood is a thing, and Wyoming has it and Los Angeles hasn't. But the Founding Fathers believe in nationhood and not just statehood, and the closer they get to that the more anomalous the problem becomes for them, that if Wyoming's claim to special status is fading away then either it loses its status, or all places the size of Portland, Oregon and greater cities are promoted to parity with Wyoming. And the small fry of the 50 are not going to agree to that. That, surely, is the inherent contradiction on which the whole operation founders.
    On that analysis the European Union is a more coherent model over the long term than the United States since the EU member states, as nations, are more likely to be able to sustain their case for individual special consideration.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011

    Channel 4 News link the lettuce shortage to climate change.

    The tip of the iceberg...
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited February 2017

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
    Surely they'll find some savings now the 27 don't have to finance all the salaries and expenses of the totally useless UKIPers and assorted fellow travellers who were only there for the social life and entertainment?
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
    Would it be the woman with a hand growing out of her shoulder?
    Is that the best you can find - plenty more show a very different body language. Also it rather sums you up when you would prefer a foreign leader against your own
    Do you have to be a clown all your life? Take a day off....
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    wasd said:

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
    Right now I suspect Merkel's financial worries begin and end with Greece.
    Guardian reporting tonight that Greece is on the brink
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    Ashcroft:

    Earlier in the week I asked my Twitter followers what we should ask the voters who helped send Donald Trump to the White House. Many of the answers were along the lines of, “do you regret it yet?” Judging from my focus groups in Macomb County, Michigan – which backed Obama in 2012 but last year swung behind the Republican, helping him to win the state by just 0.3 per cent – the answer is a resounding “no”.....

    ......The fact that the president had persisted in the face of protests was “good, because it shows he’s not worried about public opinion.” Some were puzzled by the response: “it’s happened before in 2011, and nobody seemed to notice when Obama did it.”


    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/02/i-got-big-hopes-for-that-man-michigan-voters-on-two-weeks-of-president-trump/
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    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
    €10 billion a year, according to the Institute Jaques Delors......
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    Well how will this effect the betting on Stoke.

    The Guardian reporting just now that the Labour leadership are in talks with the Greens and Lib Dems to dial down their campaigns to keep UKIP out

    They must be seriously worried
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    wasd said:

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
    Right now I suspect Merkel's financial worries begin and end with Greece.
    Oh Crikey - yes, of course, I'd forgotten that the next Greek crisis is but a few weeks away.
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    Roger said:

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
    Would it be the woman with a hand growing out of her shoulder?
    Is that the best you can find - plenty more show a very different body language. Also it rather sums you up when you would prefer a foreign leader against your own
    Do you have to be a clown all your life? Take a day off....
    Shame that you only do insults - but you seemed to admit recently that you do not do humour and it shows
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
    €10 billion a year, according to the Institute Jaques Delors......
    And £18 billion a year according to the Institute Michael Gove...
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    Will Merkel have to administer another punishment beating style budget on Greece?
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    Floater said:

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
    Don't know - but May looks bored
    Nah, she's just got a stiff neck!
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578

    Well how will this effect the betting on Stoke.

    The Guardian reporting just now that the Labour leadership are in talks with the Greens and Lib Dems to dial down their campaigns to keep UKIP out

    They must be seriously worried

    Perhaps if Labour hadn't stood in Richmond they would have been given a free ride in Stoke.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,624

    wasd said:

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
    Right now I suspect Merkel's financial worries begin and end with Greece.
    Oh Crikey - yes, of course, I'd forgotten that the next Greek crisis is but a few weeks away.
    The repeat is never as interesting as the first time around.

    Will Merkel have to administer another punishment beating style budget on Greece?

    They have to ask for the beating.
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    Well how will this effect the betting on Stoke.

    The Guardian reporting just now that the Labour leadership are in talks with the Greens and Lib Dems to dial down their campaigns to keep UKIP out

    They must be seriously worried

    Bailout negotiations between Athens and its creditors have stalled. The possibility of Grexit, or euro exit, has re-emerged and bond yields have soared. The yield on two-year Greek government bonds has risen from 6% to 10% in less than two weeks as spooked investors have dumped their holdings.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/03/grexit-greece-debt-crisis-eu-germany-us?CMP=twt_a-world_b-gdnworld
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    Re Stoke - if Nuttall gets disqualified does the by election have to be cancelled and started again
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited February 2017
    Floater said:

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
    Don't know - but May looks bored
    Whatever. I dress like a mechanic and probably lack discernment, but I think she looks elegant. And her expensive (I assume) dress suits.
    Beats Thatcher any day.
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    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    Sounds like infatuation and an arrogance that demeans you
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    edited February 2017

    wasd said:

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
    Right now I suspect Merkel's financial worries begin and end with Greece.
    Oh Crikey - yes, of course, I'd forgotten that the next Greek crisis is but a few weeks away.
    In the next three months she's likely to have to deal with Greece, a British A50, a second round Le Pen runoff and the Dutch elections/Geert Wilders.

    And that's before whatever black swans are caused by Trump/Russia/Fundies/NeoNazis.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,624
    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    I would have thought you'd have been angrier about the many highly educated people in Leave for 'deceiving' the morons. Not really sure why wonderful streets and harbours would have a bearing on it one way or another - civic architecture isn't much of a reason to stay or leave an institution.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578
    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    As far as I am aware both the UK and Malta will remain members of the Commonwealth.
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    Mike - I trust you and your good lady have had the sense to have your ''flu jabs this winter. If not, it's better late than not at all. Especially now that one have this done in a couple of minutes in the local pharmacy, so there's no having to make an appointment with the doctor and then having to wait for ages to be seen.
    Hope you soon feel better.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Roger said:

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
    Would it be the woman with a hand growing out of her shoulder?
    Is that the best you can find - plenty more show a very different body language. Also it rather sums you up when you would prefer a foreign leader against your own
    Do you have to be a clown all your life? Take a day off....
    Shame that you only do insults - but you seemed to admit recently that you do not do humour and it shows
    Anyone who

    Roger said:

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    Who looks worried here?

    image
    Would it be the woman with a hand growing out of her shoulder?
    Is that the best you can find - plenty more show a very different body language. Also it rather sums you up when you would prefer a foreign leader against your own
    Do you have to be a clown all your life? Take a day off....
    Shame that you only do insults - but you seemed to admit recently that you do not do humour and it shows
    It is a genre of advertising . Sorry if I interrupted your body language evaluation of European leaders.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    Roger, it is your citizenship of the wonderful country of Richistan which gets you access to the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta; the EU has nothing to do with it.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    edited February 2017

    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    As far as I am aware both the UK and Malta will remain members of the Commonwealth.
    zing :smiley:
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    isamisam Posts: 40,894
    @AlastairMeeks @Morris_Dancer

    Thank you, feel free to use time and time again
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    edited February 2017
    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    would that be the same magnificent architecture Mrs Merkels relations blasted the shit out of ?
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    Roger, it is your citizenship of the wonderful country of Richistan which gets you access to the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta; the EU has nothing to do with it.

    Don't you enjoy seeing our leader mingling as an equal with the 27 others in these fine historic Europe cities and thinking about our shared heritage? I do.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    As far as I am aware both the UK and Malta will remain members of the Commonwealth.
    I thought it was just High Tories who only feel comfortable with countries we have colonized
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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    RobD said:

    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    As far as I am aware both the UK and Malta will remain members of the Commonwealth.
    zing :smiley:
    Brits were retiring to Malta, Gibraltar, Cyprus and Ireland before the EU was invented.
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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Well how will this effect the betting on Stoke.

    The Guardian reporting just now that the Labour leadership are in talks with the Greens and Lib Dems to dial down their campaigns to keep UKIP out

    They must be seriously worried

    Firstly, I don't think they should be worried. Secondly, when a party gives up campaigning, the voters give up on the party.
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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    wasd said:

    wasd said:

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
    Right now I suspect Merkel's financial worries begin and end with Greece.
    Oh Crikey - yes, of course, I'd forgotten that the next Greek crisis is but a few weeks away.
    In the next three months she's likely to have to deal with Greece, a British A50, a second round Le Pen runoff and the Dutch elections/Geert Wilders.

    And that's before whatever black swans are caused by Trump/Russia/Fundies/NeoNazis.
    Geert's got more change than Le Pen. In the voice of Kevin Keegan, "I would love it, love it if Geert wins"
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    Roger said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    Roger, it is your citizenship of the wonderful country of Richistan which gets you access to the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta; the EU has nothing to do with it.

    Don't you enjoy seeing our leader mingling as an equal with the 27 others in these fine historic Europe cities and thinking about our shared heritage? I do.
    But while you EUphiles were bathing in the warm glow of the brotherhood of man the French and Germans were using the EU as war by other means, Club Med and the Eastern Europeans were using it for handouts and the EUcrats were sticking their hands in the till.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,919
    Re Greece, the 10 year government bond (which is the 'benchmark' bond), has barely budged. If you look at Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/GGGB10YR:IND then it's actually close to a one year high in terms of price (and therefore low in terms of yield).

    This doesn't mean - of course - that another Greek crisis is out of the question. But it does mean that fixating on the prices of very short dated bonds with limited liquidity may be not be telling you much. Put in context, a bond that matures with value 100 in May, that moves from 99 to 98, has effectively seen its yield go from 4% to 8% (on an annual basis).
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    would that be the same magnificent architecture Mrs Merkels relations blasted the shit out of ?
    OT. I notice Milo Yiannopoulos is an ex student of your esteemed university and there's me thinking they were all lefty comedians
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,919
    Dixie said:

    wasd said:

    wasd said:

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
    Right now I suspect Merkel's financial worries begin and end with Greece.
    Oh Crikey - yes, of course, I'd forgotten that the next Greek crisis is but a few weeks away.
    In the next three months she's likely to have to deal with Greece, a British A50, a second round Le Pen runoff and the Dutch elections/Geert Wilders.

    And that's before whatever black swans are caused by Trump/Russia/Fundies/NeoNazis.
    Geert's got more change than Le Pen. In the voice of Kevin Keegan, "I would love it, love it if Geert wins"
    Geert is going to win, in that the PVV will top the polls in the Netherlands.

    But the reason they top the polls is because its an insanely fragmented political landscape in the Netherlands. There are two parties (the CDA and the VVD) that occupy the space taken by Cameron's Conservatives. There are two parties - in parliament - that occupy the space that is taken by the Green Party (the Ecology Party and the The Party of the Animals).

    The PVV will get approximately 30 seats at the General Election, which is c. 20% of the vote. But who will they ally with?
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    Dixie said:

    wasd said:

    wasd said:

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
    Right now I suspect Merkel's financial worries begin and end with Greece.
    Oh Crikey - yes, of course, I'd forgotten that the next Greek crisis is but a few weeks away.
    In the next three months she's likely to have to deal with Greece, a British A50, a second round Le Pen runoff and the Dutch elections/Geert Wilders.

    And that's before whatever black swans are caused by Trump/Russia/Fundies/NeoNazis.
    Geert's got more change than Le Pen. In the voice of Kevin Keegan, "I would love it, love it if Geert wins"
    Le Pen doesn't need to win to cause Merkel headaches - she just needs to be there and be loud.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    would that be the same magnificent architecture Mrs Merkels relations blasted the shit out of ?
    OT. I notice Milo Yiannopoulos is an ex student of your esteemed university and there's me thinking they were all lefty comedians
    Im Manchester Roger

    street cred
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    wasd said:

    Dixie said:

    wasd said:

    wasd said:

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
    Right now I suspect Merkel's financial worries begin and end with Greece.
    Oh Crikey - yes, of course, I'd forgotten that the next Greek crisis is but a few weeks away.
    In the next three months she's likely to have to deal with Greece, a British A50, a second round Le Pen runoff and the Dutch elections/Geert Wilders.

    And that's before whatever black swans are caused by Trump/Russia/Fundies/NeoNazis.
    Geert's got more change than Le Pen. In the voice of Kevin Keegan, "I would love it, love it if Geert wins"
    Le Pen doesn't need to win to cause Merkel headaches - she just needs to be there and be loud.
    Why do you want to cause Merkel headaches?
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,916
    Dixie said:

    RobD said:

    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    As far as I am aware both the UK and Malta will remain members of the Commonwealth.
    zing :smiley:
    Brits were retiring to Malta, Gibraltar, Cyprus and Ireland before the EU was invented.
    Medical treatment became cheaper after we joined, though.

    Anyway, it's not about the past, it's about the future. It's Leavers who dream of some Once Upon A Time.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Roger said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Roger said:

    Isn't it depressing when you see the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta that we'll soon be leaving the most elegant and sophisticated club in the world soon to be replaced by the dystopian nightmare of Trump/ Faragism that has been forced on us by a pack of ill educated morons.

    Roger, it is your citizenship of the wonderful country of Richistan which gets you access to the wonderful streets and harbour at Valletta; the EU has nothing to do with it.

    Don't you enjoy seeing our leader mingling as an equal with the 27 others in these fine historic Europe cities and thinking about our shared heritage? I do.
    As much as I'd enjoy seeing her mingle as an equal with the mayor of Bristol, yes.
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    Roger said:

    wasd said:

    Dixie said:

    wasd said:

    wasd said:

    The Heads of States photo in Malta today shows just how the EU is a 'boys club' - Just three female Heads of States - Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Beata Szydio of Poland.

    Angela Merkel looked very down and worried.

    As well indeed she might ..... it will be Germany largely picking up the tab for the giant hole left after Britain has departed the EU. (There's no one else with the dough.)
    Right now I suspect Merkel's financial worries begin and end with Greece.
    Oh Crikey - yes, of course, I'd forgotten that the next Greek crisis is but a few weeks away.
    In the next three months she's likely to have to deal with Greece, a British A50, a second round Le Pen runoff and the Dutch elections/Geert Wilders.

    And that's before whatever black swans are caused by Trump/Russia/Fundies/NeoNazis.
    Geert's got more change than Le Pen. In the voice of Kevin Keegan, "I would love it, love it if Geert wins"
    Le Pen doesn't need to win to cause Merkel headaches - she just needs to be there and be loud.
    Why do you want to cause Merkel headaches?
    I don't want to cause Merkel any headaches - but this speculation that Merkel's biggest problem in life is where she's going to find a couple of billion per year half a decade from now is terribly brit centric.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Re Stoke - if Nuttall gets disqualified does the by election have to be cancelled and started again

    Not at all!
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    justin124 said:

    Re Stoke - if Nuttall gets disqualified does the by election have to be cancelled and started again

    Not at all!
    Are you sure
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    isamisam Posts: 40,894
    Dixie said:

    Well how will this effect the betting on Stoke.

    The Guardian reporting just now that the Labour leadership are in talks with the Greens and Lib Dems to dial down their campaigns to keep UKIP out

    They must be seriously worried

    Firstly, I don't think they should be worried. Secondly, when a party gives up campaigning, the voters give up on the party.
    Haha

    "The former Lib Dem MP Andrew George admitted that Stoke posed a difficult question, but said it was important to remember that his party came fourth in the seat in the last election.

    "If there really was a chance of us pulling off a remarkable result then we should give it our all,” he said. “However, we should also be careful that, in our enthusiasm, we don’t unintentionally help elect a thinly disguised fascist to parliament."
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    justin124 said:

    Re Stoke - if Nuttall gets disqualified does the by election have to be cancelled and started again

    Not at all!
    Are you sure
    If he was to be declared ineligible for whatever reason, it would be the eligible candidate with the highest vote that wins.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,916
    edited February 2017
    justin124 said:

    Re Stoke - if Nuttall gets disqualified does the by election have to be cancelled and started again

    Not at all!
    We had a whole slate of BNP candidates disqualified in one election I was involved in. All sorts of irregularities on their nomination papers.
    Election went ahead as planned
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    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    Re Stoke - if Nuttall gets disqualified does the by election have to be cancelled and started again

    Not at all!
    Are you sure
    If he was to be declared ineligible for whatever reason, it would be the eligible candidate with the highest vote that wins.
    Thanks for that
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