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New @Panelbase Scotland Westminster VI poll (changes since Sep 16) SNP 47% (-3) Con 27% (+6) Lab 15% (-1) LD 4% (-1) https://t.co/2lSOn4tOrb pic.twitter.com/qkEbaq90cF

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Philip_Thompson

Tory surge klaxon.

Seriously remarkable that Scotland is rapidly becoming a two, not three or four, party nation with the Tories as one of those parties. All things must end including SNP control in Holyrood. It is not unimaginable now that Ruth Davidson or her successor could be the next non SNP First Minister.

Sean_F

There be a good chance the Tories can recover 10-12 of their former Scottish seats.

HYUFD

Given the SNP won 50% at the last Westminster election, SLab 24% and the Scottish Tories 15% this poll gives a 7.5% swing from SNP to Tory and an even larger 10.5% swing from SLab to the Scottish Tories which should produce a number of seat gains and mean May could more than hold her majority just through Scottish results alone, especially in Edinburgh, Aberdeenshire and the Borders

another_richard

Is the word 'Scotland' missing from the title ?

Scrapheap_as_was

another_richard said:

Is the word 'Scotland' missing from the title ?

I think you mean 'Liverpool' ..... oh, wrong title.

and indeed TSE or yours truly in the PB fantasy league, we're getting slaughtered on there.

DavidL

Sean_F said:

There be a good chance the Tories can recover 10-12 of their former Scottish seats.

Not with the SNP in the 40s. 6 would be a very good result.

Morris_Dancer

Good afternoon, everyone.

Italy going to lose, but Wales haven't been stellar. Tournament remains wide open.

rottenborough

From past thread:


This is a book that you need to stay green on as it looks like this election will be another rollercoaster. Personally, I think Le Pen will win. I have no idea who her opponent will be. My ideal betting result would be Hamon or Sarkozy win as I would be shovelling money into my pockets.

SouthamObserver

I don't believe the EU referendum was as as profoundly felt by as many people in the UK as the independence referendum was in Scotland.

HYUFD

FT in Rome Wales 33 Italy 7

Casino_Royale

Ruth Davidson seems to be succeeding in creating a distinct Scottish Tory brand, that is more centrist and detached from Westminster, and more closely resembles the Unionist Party of the 50s and 60s.

That opens up quite a few options for seat targeting in the Scottish borders and highlands. If she's very lucky, perhaps even a couple of suburban middle-class seats in Edinburgh and Glasgow too, like Edinburgh South-West and East Renfrewshire come into play too.

Interestingly, the Liberal Democrats are going precisely nowhere in Scotland.

another_richard

Scrapheap_as_was said:

another_richard said:

Is the word 'Scotland' missing from the title ?

I think you mean 'Liverpool' ..... oh, wrong title.

and indeed TSE or yours truly in the PB fantasy league, we're getting slaughtered on there.

Here's something which might not please Liverpool fans:

There was a 26 year gap between ManUtd's League titles in 1967 and 1993.

2017 will 27 years since the last Liverpool title.

It might not be long before Liverpool play a team in which every player was born after Liverpool's last title.

HYUFD

Casino_Royale said:

Ruth Davidson seems to be succeeding in creating a distinct Scottish Tory brand, that is more centrist and detached from Westminster, and more closely resembles the Unionist Party of the 50s and 60s.

That opens up quite a few options for seat targeting in the Scottish borders and highlands. If she's very lucky, perhaps even a couple of suburban middle-class seats in Edinburgh and Glasgow too, like Edinburgh South-West and East Renfrewshire come into play too.

Interestingly, the Liberal Democrats are going precisely nowhere in Scotland.

If the Tories are sensible they will allow the Scottish branch to become a semi-autonomous body as the CDU does with the CSU in Bavaria

another_richard

DavidL said:

Sean_F said:

There be a good chance the Tories can recover 10-12 of their former Scottish seats.

Not with the SNP in the 40s. 6 would be a very good result.

Which puts the 'Scottish Tory surge' in perspective.

They won 10 seats in the disastrous defeat of 1987.

maaarsh

Morris_Dancer said:

Good afternoon, everyone.

Italy going to lose, but Wales haven't been stellar. Tournament remains wide open.

England are going to win pretty comfortably - Ireland's loss gives a safety margin.

MonikerDiCanio

SLab, the SNP and the Lib Dems are all left wing. Davidson has the right and centre of Scotland as her oyster.

OldKingCole

maaarsh said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Good afternoon, everyone.

Italy going to lose, but Wales haven't been stellar. Tournament remains wide open.

England are going to win pretty comfortably - Ireland's loss gives a safety margin.

Wales have done what they have in the past three or four years; not played well in the first half of the first match, then improved considerably in the second.
Why do they do that? Doesn’t do the supporterds blood pressure any good!

Theuniondivvie

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

MarkSenior

27% for the Conservatives in Scotland probably overstates their position a little , 23-24% is more likely but the May local elections will give a better idea . Unless their vote becomes less flat they will only end up with 5/6 Parliamentary seats at best .

SimonStClare

After delivering a landslide win in the leadership race, Jeremy Corbyn pledged to win back Scots and unite Labour. It was this personal pledge that has been his biggest single failure to date.

For a typical party leader, this would be damaging, possibly fatal, however while the hard left membership which elected him remain loyal, Corbyn is safe. – The hard left see him as their last chance of an Old School Socialist as party leader, they won’t abandon him over something as trivial as this however.

HYUFD

maaarsh said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Good afternoon, everyone.

Italy going to lose, but Wales haven't been stellar. Tournament remains wide open.

England are going to win pretty comfortably - Ireland's loss gives a safety margin.

Wales currently top the table

isam

What is most amazing is that there are hardcore SNPers on here who prefer being governed from London to Independence as long as the SNP are in charge

Scott_P

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

2014

MonikerDiCanio

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

It's striking that the SNP now mirrors SLAb of late 2013 and the Scottish Tories the SNP of that date.

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/ruthdavidsonmsp/status/828274865736208384

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Maaarsh, not so sure about that, but we'll see.

CarlottaVance

Casino_Royale said:

Ruth Davidson seems to be succeeding in creating a distinct Scottish Tory brand, that is more centrist and detached from Westminster, and more closely resembles the Unionist Party of the 50s and 60s.

That opens up quite a few options for seat targeting in the Scottish borders and highlands. If she's very lucky, perhaps even a couple of suburban middle-class seats in Edinburgh and Glasgow too, like Edinburgh South-West and East Renfrewshire come into play too.

Interestingly, the Liberal Democrats are going precisely nowhere in Scotland.

I think thats critical 'Branch office of English Party' is kiss of death......just ask Labour.....

HYUFD

MarkSenior said:

27% for the Conservatives in Scotland probably overstates their position a little , 23-24% is more likely but the May local elections will give a better idea . Unless their vote becomes less flat they will only end up with 5/6 Parliamentary seats at best .

Based on this poll the Tories would win Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk, Dumfries and Galloway and Aberdeenshire West and Kincardine from the SNP and have a shot at Perth and North Perthshire and Moray and Edinburgh South would be neck and neck with Labour. However those seat gains could offset any losses to the LDs in South West London and seats like Lewes and Bath. If they then gain some seats from Labour in England and Wales May could increase her majority overall

maaarsh

HYUFD said:

maaarsh said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Good afternoon, everyone.

Italy going to lose, but Wales haven't been stellar. Tournament remains wide open.

England are going to win pretty comfortably - Ireland's loss gives a safety margin.

Wales currently top the table

3 wins would be a good result for Wales this year. Not sure playing Italy first and failing to get a bonus point makes for a particularly intimidating start.

Theuniondivvie

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

JackW

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

Presently it's looking like whenever Nicola holds hands with Donald whilst cheering for England in the Calcutta Cup, banning Burns Night and agreeing to let Sean Thomas run amok with the teenage daughters of her fellows MSP's.

Not this year then.

CarlottaVance

On the CTA question of security and checks - how much does the theory (no checks) differ from the practice? As a frequent traveller from the Channel Islands to the UK there is a photo-id requirement to board a plane or a ferry, though no checks landing in the UK. When recently visiting Ireland from the UK by Ferry, in addition to the Ferry Check in photo id request, there were Irish customs officers checking documentation (asking for 'Passports') in Dublin.....how does it work between Larne & Stranraer?

HYUFD

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

Roger

Ruth Davidson has got something of the Angela Merkel about her. She's going places. I have some lefty relatives in Scotland who really rate her.

matt

CarlottaVance said:

On the CTA question of security and checks - how much does the theory (no checks) differ from the practice? As a frequent traveller from the Channel Islands to the UK there is a photo-id requirement to board a plane or a ferry, though no checks landing in the UK. When recently visiting Ireland from the UK by Ferry, in addition to the Ferry Check in photo id request, there were Irish customs officers checking documentation (asking for 'Passports') in Dublin.....how does it work between Larne & Stranraer?

Dublin, there's no separate CTA channel so everyone goes through immigration. The passport check is cursory. Going the other way, depends on the airport but they sometimes seem to have random passport checks. I've been tempted to write to my MP....

Theuniondivvie

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

I'll always treasure that moment when you cited a 2pt increase for SLab in a Scottish sub sample as evidence of the positive effect that Jim Murphy was having on their fortunes.

kle4

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

Independence +6 years

AlastairMeeks

With such dramatic movements in both Labour's and the Conservatives' vote shares, Uniform National Swing is likely to be less useful to muse about than usual, even ignoring boundary changes. The Conservatives' and Labour's vote strengths were inversely distributed in 2015 (perhaps suggesting ineffectual anti-SNP tactical voting) and in 14 or 15 Scottish constituencies Labour's vote share was less than the 12% that would make UNS mathematically unworkable on these numbers. These include almost all the seats the Conservatives are most interested in.

Conversely, some seats where the Conservatives previously looked some way away in might come into play. They might be able to regain the professionals they lost in Scotland a generation ago, and with them the more prosperous seats round Edinburgh in particular, where Labour were still quite strong in 2015.

HYUFD

kle4 said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

Independence +6 years

The Union still has an 8% majority in the latest poll

HYUFD

Theuniondivvie said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

I'll always treasure that moment when you cited a 2pt increase for SLab in a Scottish sub sample as evidence of the positive effect that Jim Murphy was having on their fortunes.

Not one of my finest hours maybe but here we are talking about actual results and as Holyrood last year showed the SNP are now on a downward trajectory

malcolmg

Philip_Thompson said:

Tory surge klaxon.

Seriously remarkable that Scotland is rapidly becoming a two, not three or four, party nation with the Tories as one of those parties. All things must end including SNP control in Holyrood. It is not unimaginable now that Ruth Davidson or her successor could be the next non SNP First Minister.

Ha Ha Ha , you have to be at the joking, the Tories will never be the government in Scotland.

HYUFD

maaarsh said:

HYUFD said:

maaarsh said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Good afternoon, everyone.

Italy going to lose, but Wales haven't been stellar. Tournament remains wide open.

England are going to win pretty comfortably - Ireland's loss gives a safety margin.

Wales currently top the table

3 wins would be a good result for Wales this year. Not sure playing Italy first and failing to get a bonus point makes for a particularly intimidating start.

England v Wales will likely be the decider now with Scotland an outside bet if they beat either

Morris_Dancer

Mr. HYUFD, not worried about Ireland or France?

MonikerDiCanio

Theuniondivvie said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

I'll always treasure that moment when you cited a 2pt increase for SLab in a Scottish sub sample as evidence of the positive effect that Jim Murphy was having on their fortunes.

From education to finance the SNP isn't delivering and the trick of blaming the English isn't working anymore. You sound like SLab of a few years back, complacent and taking your voters for granted.

felix

SeanT said:

This is indeed incredible polling for the Nats, after so long in power. Nonetheless the first hints of their decline are visible, albeit sketchy.

On present trends you'd expect them to edge back down to 40-45% by 2020, and the Tories to maybe hit 30%. So the SNP will still be dominant, but no longer hegemonic.

Labour are going nowhere. Without some black swan to assist.

I also think the SNP decline is despite a significant move from SLab to them. It has just been outdone by a bigger shift from SNP/SLab to Con. The interesting question will be how much the SCon support is spread about. If concentrated in the right areas they could potentially gain more than 5/6 seats.

malcolmg

Casino_Royale said:

Ruth Davidson seems to be succeeding in creating a distinct Scottish Tory brand, that is more centrist and detached from Westminster, and more closely resembles the Unionist Party of the 50s and 60s.

That opens up quite a few options for seat targeting in the Scottish borders and highlands. If she's very lucky, perhaps even a couple of suburban middle-class seats in Edinburgh and Glasgow too, like Edinburgh South-West and East Renfrewshire come into play too.

Interestingly, the Liberal Democrats are going precisely nowhere in Scotland.

Utter bollox

felix

Roger said:

Ruth Davidson has got something of the Angela Merkel about her. She's going places. I have some lefty relatives in Scotland who really rate her.

Do they have a holiday home in Balmoral?

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/828281241841582080

Theuniondivvie

MonikerDiCanio said:

Theuniondivvie said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

I'll always treasure that moment when you cited a 2pt increase for SLab in a Scottish sub sample as evidence of the positive effect that Jim Murphy was having on their fortunes.

From education to finance the SNP isn't delivering and the trick of blaming the English isn't working anymore. You sound like SLab of a few years back, complacent and taking your voters for granted.

You sound like you over lots of years, someone with no vote, no influence and not much of a clue bleating about Scotland.

malcolmg

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

Or century even, as long as the opposition is as poor as it is now it will never happen. There are some serious misguided dreamers on here. I will repeat yet again , there will NEVER be a Tory government in Scotland unless we become independent and get a real Scottish Conservative Party and even then it will be a long long haul and highly unlikely for a long long time.

malcolmg

isam said:

What is most amazing is that there are hardcore SNPers on here who prefer being governed from London to Independence as long as the SNP are in charge

Can you name one.

BigRich

At the 2012 Scottish locale government elections results where as follows:

SNP 32% 425 Seats

SLAB 31% 394 Seats

Independent 12% 196 Seats

SCON 13% 115 Seats

LibDem 6% 71 Seats

Green 2% 14 seats

So for SCon to over take SLab they would need to take 140 seats directly form SLab, (other combinations are also possible) in this years LG elections.

Do other PBs see this as likely/possible? the 2015 GE result and 2016 Scot Parliament Result would indicate 'yes' but I wonder to what extent the incumbency and the AV voting system may reduce that swing?

malcolmg

CarlottaVance said:

Casino_Royale said:

Ruth Davidson seems to be succeeding in creating a distinct Scottish Tory brand, that is more centrist and detached from Westminster, and more closely resembles the Unionist Party of the 50s and 60s.

That opens up quite a few options for seat targeting in the Scottish borders and highlands. If she's very lucky, perhaps even a couple of suburban middle-class seats in Edinburgh and Glasgow too, like Edinburgh South-West and East Renfrewshire come into play too.

Interestingly, the Liberal Democrats are going precisely nowhere in Scotland.

I think thats critical 'Branch office of English Party' is kiss of death......just ask Labour.....

I have to commend you on your honesty, not many on here have the nous to understand your post unfortunately.

kle4

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

Independence +6 years

The Union still has an 8% majority in the latest poll

Long may it continue, but for all malcomg's predictions of doom for the union due to the poor level of unionist opposition are somewhat undercut by being identically made to his assertion the Tories would not even come second (even a distant second), it will only take a few more people to no longer believe or care about economic concerns for the union to fall at some point in the distant future. The long term trend is scottish and english people not caring about a shared british identity, and the union cannot survive that forever. That saddens me, and it's nice that the question may not be put imminently again, but the focus on differences, real or merely purported, all points one way.

malcolmg

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

Given SNP are 10 years into government and May is a month , that seems a fatuous comparison.

malcolmg

Roger said:

Ruth Davidson has got something of the Angela Merkel about her. She's going places. I have some lefty relatives in Scotland who really rate her.

Ever the comedienne

Theuniondivvie

When a racist twat tweets, forgetting everyone isn't a racist twat.

https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/828275998437363714

HYUFD

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. HYUFD, not worried about Ireland or France?

Only if Ireland beat England or Wales and France beat the Welsh

TheScreamingEagles

Theuniondivvie said:

When a racist twat tweets, forgetting everyone isn't a racist twat.

https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/828275998437363714

Well what do you expect from a judge appointed by that vile bleeding heart liberal, George W Bush?

John_M

Roger said:

Ruth Davidson has got something of the Angela Merkel about her. She's going places. I have some lefty relatives in Scotland who really rate her.

Roger scuppers Ruth with the Black Spot of endorsement.

malcolmg

MonikerDiCanio said:

Theuniondivvie said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

I'll always treasure that moment when you cited a 2pt increase for SLab in a Scottish sub sample as evidence of the positive effect that Jim Murphy was having on their fortunes.

From education to finance the SNP isn't delivering and the trick of blaming the English isn't working anymore. You sound like SLab of a few years back, complacent and taking your voters for granted.

You an expert on Scottish education and finance then Monica. Is that teh pocket money that comes from Westminster you are talking about I presume.

chestnut

The last YG for Holyrood had the Tories first among pensioners on 45% (17 ahead of the SNP) and gaining 27% of Labour's 2015 vote and 41% of the Lib Dems vote.

Tories are collecting 2015 Labour at 3:1 compared to the SNP and Lib Dems at 4:1.

It's must be posible to work out where those votes are likely to land.

Scrapheap_as_was

Radio 5 reporting Jezza's doing a reshuffle this week.

I thought he did one every week?

HYUFD

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

Independence +6 years

The Union still has an 8% majority in the latest poll

Long may it continue, but for all malcomg's predictions of doom for the union due to the poor level of unionist opposition are somewhat undercut by being identically made to his assertion the Tories would not even come second (even a distant second), it will only take a few more people to no longer believe or care about economic concerns for the union to fall at some point in the distant future. The long term trend is scottish and english people not caring about a shared british identity, and the union cannot survive that forever. That saddens me, and it's nice that the question may not be put imminently again, but the focus on differences, real or merely purported, all points one way.

I don't see why, if anything the SNP/SLab to Tory swing and the fact May's ratings in Scotland are higher than Cameron's show the 'evil Tory' myth pushed by nationalists as a reason for independence is finally dying a death and as long as Scots have their own Parliament (maybe with a few more powers) a Tory government at Westminster is no longer a matter of great concern for them

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Scrapheap, the Corbyn Shadow Cabinet reshuffle is both perpetual and constantly renewed, everlasting, without beginning or end. It is a snake, eating its own tail.

HYUFD

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

Given SNP are 10 years into government and May is a month , that seems a fatuous comparison.

May is now over 6 months in government, the Tories 7 years in power

Restharrow

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/828281241841582080

Although the caption is faintly amusing it's worth remembering that while Estonian young men are busy working in England UK troops are deployed to Estonia defending their border. Only one of these issues is formally subject to Brexit negotiations.

malcolmg

malcolmg said:

isam said:

What is most amazing is that there are hardcore SNPers on here who prefer being governed from London to Independence as long as the SNP are in charge

Can you name one.

you still trying to work out the hardcore SNPer

Alistair

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

I'll always treasure that moment when you cited a 2pt increase for SLab in a Scottish sub sample as evidence of the positive effect that Jim Murphy was having on their fortunes.

Not one of my finest hours maybe but here we are talking about actual results and as Holyrood last year showed the SNP are now on a downward trajectory

Where they increased their constituency vote from 45.4% to 46.5%? I'm sure many parties would like to have an upward downward trajectory.

felix

Theuniondivvie said:

When a racist twat tweets, forgetting everyone isn't a racist twat.

https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/828275998437363714

I forget exactly how many refugees Sturgeon has taken in....

malcolmg

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

Given SNP are 10 years into government and May is a month , that seems a fatuous comparison.

May is now over 6 months in government, the Tories 7 years in power

and still hated in Scotland just as much if not more

TheWhiteRabbit

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Radio 5 reporting Jezza's doing a reshuffle this week.

I thought he did one every week?

Eventually people will have been sacked, resigned, brought back, accidentally sacked and promoted all int eh space of a couple of years.

I'm actually in agreement with a few people earlier, Thornberry is doing the best of a shadow minister. Average competition, and not a woman I personally like, but there you go.

felix

malcolmg said:

CarlottaVance said:

Casino_Royale said:

Ruth Davidson seems to be succeeding in creating a distinct Scottish Tory brand, that is more centrist and detached from Westminster, and more closely resembles the Unionist Party of the 50s and 60s.

That opens up quite a few options for seat targeting in the Scottish borders and highlands. If she's very lucky, perhaps even a couple of suburban middle-class seats in Edinburgh and Glasgow too, like Edinburgh South-West and East Renfrewshire come into play too.

Interestingly, the Liberal Democrats are going precisely nowhere in Scotland.

I think thats critical 'Branch office of English Party' is kiss of death......just ask Labour.....

I have to commend you on your honesty, not many on here have the nous to understand your post unfortunately.

You can tell Valentine's day is approaching when MalcG starts smooth-talking Carlotta

MonikerDiCanio

malcolmg said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

Theuniondivvie said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

I'll always treasure that moment when you cited a 2pt increase for SLab in a Scottish sub sample as evidence of the positive effect that Jim Murphy was having on their fortunes.

From education to finance the SNP isn't delivering and the trick of blaming the English isn't working anymore. You sound like SLab of a few years back, complacent and taking your voters for granted.

You an expert on Scottish education and finance then Monica. Is that teh pocket money that comes from Westminster you are talking about I presume.

A national deficit of 9.5 % and rising is all you need to know about the SNP's financial madness.

CarlottaVance

felix said:

Theuniondivvie said:

When a racist twat tweets, forgetting everyone isn't a racist twat.

https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/828275998437363714

I forget exactly how many refugees Sturgeon has taken in....

Twice as many as Yvette Cooper!

Or is it half?

SimonStClare

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Radio 5 reporting Jezza's doing a reshuffle this week.

I thought he did one every week?

Corbyn will need to replace the shadow front benchers who recently resigned, however as he is yet to fill all the gaps from the last mass resignation, the reshuffle will probably just entail double and triple hatting the ones already in situ.

felix

Restharrow said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/828281241841582080

Although the caption is faintly amusing it's worth remembering that while Estonian young men are busy working in England UK troops are deployed to Estonia defending their border. Only one of these issues is formally subject to Brexit negotiations.

Juncker would never understand that.

felix

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

Given SNP are 10 years into government and May is a month , that seems a fatuous comparison.

May is now over 6 months in government, the Tories 7 years in power

and still hated in Scotland just as much if not more

Not according to the polling.

malcolmg

MonikerDiCanio said:

malcolmg said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

Theuniondivvie said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

I'll always treasure that moment when you cited a 2pt increase for SLab in a Scottish sub sample as evidence of the positive effect that Jim Murphy was having on their fortunes.

From education to finance the SNP isn't delivering and the trick of blaming the English isn't working anymore. You sound like SLab of a few years back, complacent and taking your voters for granted.

You an expert on Scottish education and finance then Monica. Is that teh pocket money that comes from Westminster you are talking about I presume.

A national deficit of 9.5 % and rising is all you need to know about the SNP's financial madness.

You dunderheid, you have not a clue , what a waste of my valuable time. Bet you believe the world is square as well.

CarlottaVance

Restharrow said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/828281241841582080

Although the caption is faintly amusing it's worth remembering that while Estonian young men are busy working in England UK troops are deployed to Estonia defending their border. Only one of these issues is formally subject to Brexit negotiations.

"Formally"

You don't think May announced extra support in the Med in Malta only out of the goodness of her heart do you?

HYUFD

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

Given SNP are 10 years into government and May is a month , that seems a fatuous comparison.

May is now over 6 months in government, the Tories 7 years in power

and still hated in Scotland just as much if not more

Neither May nor Davidson are hated in Scotland as this poll proves

HYUFD

Alistair said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

I'll always treasure that moment when you cited a 2pt increase for SLab in a Scottish sub sample as evidence of the positive effect that Jim Murphy was having on their fortunes.

Not one of my finest hours maybe but here we are talking about actual results and as Holyrood last year showed the SNP are now on a downward trajectory

Where they increased their constituency vote from 45.4% to 46.5%? I'm sure many parties would like to have an upward downward trajectory.

They lost 2% on the list and lost 6 seats overall compared to 2011

malcolmg

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

Given SNP are 10 years into government and May is a month , that seems a fatuous comparison.

May is now over 6 months in government, the Tories 7 years in power

and still hated in Scotland just as much if not more

Neither May nor Davidson are hated in Scotland as this poll proves

It proves nothing , they have 1 MP and a handful of MSP's and a few best losers on list, that proves how highly they are thought of. They are not trusted to run a bath.

SimonStClare

felix said:

malcolmg said:

CarlottaVance said:

Casino_Royale said:

Ruth Davidson seems to be succeeding in creating a distinct Scottish Tory brand, that is more centrist and detached from Westminster, and more closely resembles the Unionist Party of the 50s and 60s.

That opens up quite a few options for seat targeting in the Scottish borders and highlands. If she's very lucky, perhaps even a couple of suburban middle-class seats in Edinburgh and Glasgow too, like Edinburgh South-West and East Renfrewshire come into play too.

Interestingly, the Liberal Democrats are going precisely nowhere in Scotland.

I think thats critical 'Branch office of English Party' is kiss of death......just ask Labour.....

I have to commend you on your honesty, not many on here have the nous to understand your post unfortunately.

You can tell Valentine's day is approaching when MalcG starts smooth-talking Carlotta

- The sly old dag is a much underrated smoothie imho.

MarkSenior

BigRich said:

At the 2012 Scottish locale government elections results where as follows:

SNP 32% 425 Seats

SLAB 31% 394 Seats

Independent 12% 196 Seats

SCON 13% 115 Seats

LibDem 6% 71 Seats

Green 2% 14 seats

So for SCon to over take SLab they would need to take 140 seats directly form SLab, (other combinations are also possible) in this years LG elections.

Do other PBs see this as likely/possible? the 2015 GE result and 2016 Scot Parliament Result would indicate 'yes' but I wonder to what extent the incumbency and the AV voting system may reduce that swing?

My early estimate for seat changes

SNP gain 20
Lab lose 140
Con gain 110
LD gain 10
Ind minus 5
Green plus 5

So SLab will stay ahead of SCon by a few

HYUFD

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

Given SNP are 10 years into government and May is a month , that seems a fatuous comparison.

May is now over 6 months in government, the Tories 7 years in power

and still hated in Scotland just as much if not more

Neither May nor Davidson are hated in Scotland as this poll proves

It proves nothing , they have 1 MP and a handful of MSP's and a few best losers on list, that proves how highly they are thought of. They are not trusted to run a bath.

They now have 31 MSPs which is more than a handful

felix

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Radio 5 reporting Jezza's doing a reshuffle this week.

I thought he did one every week?

Eventually people will have been sacked, resigned, brought back, accidentally sacked and promoted all int eh space of a couple of years.

I'm actually in agreement with a few people earlier, Thornberry is doing the best of a shadow minister. Average competition, and not a woman I personally like, but there you go.

I think it's reshuffle one week and re-launch the next followed by the hokey cokey and we all turn round.

SquareRoot

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Radio 5 reporting Jezza's doing a reshuffle this week.

I thought he did one every week?

reshuffling his front bench or his policies?

MonikerDiCanio

malcolmg said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

malcolmg said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

Theuniondivvie said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

I'll always treasure that moment when you cited a 2pt increase for SLab in a Scottish sub sample as evidence of the positive effect that Jim Murphy was having on their fortunes.

From education to finance the SNP isn't delivering and the trick of blaming the English isn't working anymore. You sound like SLab of a few years back, complacent and taking your voters for granted.

You an expert on Scottish education and finance then Monica. Is that teh pocket money that comes from Westminster you are talking about I presume.

A national deficit of 9.5 % and rising is all you need to know about the SNP's financial madness.

You dunderheid, you have not a clue , what a waste of my valuable time. Bet you believe the world is square as well.

Worse than Greece , Malcolm. It can' t go on and won't.

isam

https://twitter.com/joetwyman/status/828269654367956992

malcolmg

SimonStClare said:

felix said:

malcolmg said:

CarlottaVance said:

Casino_Royale said:

Ruth Davidson seems to be succeeding in creating a distinct Scottish Tory brand, that is more centrist and detached from Westminster, and more closely resembles the Unionist Party of the 50s and 60s.

That opens up quite a few options for seat targeting in the Scottish borders and highlands. If she's very lucky, perhaps even a couple of suburban middle-class seats in Edinburgh and Glasgow too, like Edinburgh South-West and East Renfrewshire come into play too.

Interestingly, the Liberal Democrats are going precisely nowhere in Scotland.

I think thats critical 'Branch office of English Party' is kiss of death......just ask Labour.....

I have to commend you on your honesty, not many on here have the nous to understand your post unfortunately.

You can tell Valentine's day is approaching when MalcG starts smooth-talking Carlotta

- The sly old dag is a much underrated smoothie imho.

LOL , tough as old boots with a soft heart

malcolmg

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

Given SNP are 10 years into government and May is a month , that seems a fatuous comparison.

May is now over 6 months in government, the Tories 7 years in power

and still hated in Scotland just as much if not more

Neither May nor Davidson are hated in Scotland as this poll proves

It proves nothing , they have 1 MP and a handful of MSP's and a few best losers on list, that proves how highly they are thought of. They are not trusted to run a bath.

They now have 31 MSPs which is more than a handful

They achieve nothing , get laughed out of the place week in and week out. Almost all their places are jobsworths from the list , talentless nohopers. I could hardly name 5 Tory MSP's and I am interested in politics, most people would struggle beyond two, invisible nonentities.

Freggles

isam said:

https://twitter.com/joetwyman/status/828269654367956992

But that's a good idea

Freggles

2007 was such an innocent happy time other than the bombing

MonikerDiCanio

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

Given SNP are 10 years into government and May is a month , that seems a fatuous comparison.

May is now over 6 months in government, the Tories 7 years in power

and still hated in Scotland just as much if not more

Neither May nor Davidson are hated in Scotland as this poll proves

It proves nothing , they have 1 MP and a handful of MSP's and a few best losers on list, that proves how highly they are thought of. They are not trusted to run a bath.

They now have 31 MSPs which is more than a handful

They achieve nothing , get laughed out of the place week in and week out. Almost all their places are jobsworths from the list , talentless nohopers. I could hardly name 5 Tory MSP's and I am interested in politics, most people would struggle beyond two, invisible nonentities.

What have your feeble fifty achieved other than record breaking expenses and boosting profits in Westminster bars ?

DavidL

MarkSenior said:

BigRich said:

At the 2012 Scottish locale government elections results where as follows:

SNP 32% 425 Seats

SLAB 31% 394 Seats

Independent 12% 196 Seats

SCON 13% 115 Seats

LibDem 6% 71 Seats

Green 2% 14 seats

So for SCon to over take SLab they would need to take 140 seats directly form SLab, (other combinations are also possible) in this years LG elections.

Do other PBs see this as likely/possible? the 2015 GE result and 2016 Scot Parliament Result would indicate 'yes' but I wonder to what extent the incumbency and the AV voting system may reduce that swing?

My early estimate for seat changes

SNP gain 20
Lab lose 140
Con gain 110
LD gain 10
Ind minus 5
Green plus 5

So SLab will stay ahead of SCon by a few

I think you are underestimating both Labour losses and Tory gains. The system is proportional but only up to a point. This made the Tory vote much more inefficient than it should have been last time and Labour will suffer in most of Scotland outside the central belt this time.

I also think, going on the last Scottish elections that the SNP will lose seats to the Tories in the north east and possibly the borders whilst gaining a considerable number from Labour in the west, particularly Glasgow where Labour are cruising for some dockside treatment. It is going to touch and go if they end up ahead on seat numbers overall.

malcolmg

MonikerDiCanio said:

malcolmg said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

malcolmg said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

Theuniondivvie said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

I'll always treasure that moment when you cited a 2pt increase for SLab in a Scottish sub sample as evidence of the positive effect that Jim Murphy was having on their fortunes.

From education to finance the SNP isn't delivering and the trick of blaming the English isn't working anymore. You sound like SLab of a few years back, complacent and taking your voters for granted.

You an expert on Scottish education and finance then Monica. Is that teh pocket money that comes from Westminster you are talking about I presume.

A national deficit of 9.5 % and rising is all you need to know about the SNP's financial madness.

You dunderheid, you have not a clue , what a waste of my valuable time. Bet you believe the world is square as well.

Worse than Greece , Malcolm. It can' t go on and won't.

You been at the mushrooms

malcolmg

MonikerDiCanio said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Theuniondivvie said:

I've heard much talk on here of the SNP honeymoon being over. Anyone got a rough date, or year even, just for betting purposes like?

So that's a no then.

Well given the SNP lost their majority at Holyrood last year and on this poll are seeing a swing from them to the Tories at Westminster I would say it is now clearly over. In fact May is presently enjoying more of a honeymoon than the SNP. That does not mean they will stop being the largest party in Scotland anytime soon but the Scottish electorate's love affair with Salmond and Sturgeon is clearly over

Given SNP are 10 years into government and May is a month , that seems a fatuous comparison.

May is now over 6 months in government, the Tories 7 years in power

and still hated in Scotland just as much if not more

Neither May nor Davidson are hated in Scotland as this poll proves

It proves nothing , they have 1 MP and a handful of MSP's and a few best losers on list, that proves how highly they are thought of. They are not trusted to run a bath.

They now have 31 MSPs which is more than a handful

They achieve nothing , get laughed out of the place week in and week out. Almost all their places are jobsworths from the list , talentless nohopers. I could hardly name 5 Tory MSP's and I am interested in politics, most people would struggle beyond two, invisible nonentities.

What have your feeble fifty achieved other than record breaking expenses and boosting profits in Westminster bars ?

So you never read the grovelling apology in the newspapres regarding the lies and fact that th eparliament had published incorrect numbers. They were in fact much reduced on previous labour encumbents and actually turned up for work 3 times as much. Facts my dear girl always beat lies.

FF43

DavidL said:

MarkSenior said:

BigRich said:

At the 2012 Scottish locale government elections results where as follows:

SNP 32% 425 Seats

SLAB 31% 394 Seats

Independent 12% 196 Seats

SCON 13% 115 Seats

LibDem 6% 71 Seats

Green 2% 14 seats

So for SCon to over take SLab they would need to take 140 seats directly form SLab, (other combinations are also possible) in this years LG elections.

Do other PBs see this as likely/possible? the 2015 GE result and 2016 Scot Parliament Result would indicate 'yes' but I wonder to what extent the incumbency and the AV voting system may reduce that swing?

My early estimate for seat changes

SNP gain 20
Lab lose 140
Con gain 110
LD gain 10
Ind minus 5
Green plus 5

So SLab will stay ahead of SCon by a few

I think you are underestimating both Labour losses and Tory gains. The system is proportional but only up to a point. This made the Tory vote much more inefficient than it should have been last time and Labour will suffer in most of Scotland outside the central belt this time.

I also think, going on the last Scottish elections that the SNP will lose seats to the Tories in the north east and possibly the borders whilst gaining a considerable number from Labour in the west, particularly Glasgow where Labour are cruising for some dockside treatment. It is going to touch and go if they end up ahead on seat numbers overall.

STV for Scottish Council elections. We're the psephologist's paradise, using FPTP, hybrid FPTP/d'Hondt*, full d'Hondt (while we are in the EU) and STV.

*Ediy: forgot. We have AV !!!!!! for Holyrood byelections.

malcolmg

isam said:

https://twitter.com/joetwyman/status/828269654367956992

you scared to name these hardcore SNPrs that prefer London Tory government to independence.