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SystemSystem Posts: 11,017
edited March 2017 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » ComRes becomes the 3rd pollster in a week to have UKIP fourth

Over the past week YouGov, Ipsos-MORI and now ComRes have found UKIP in fourth place. Partly this is down to the LDs advancing and partly to UKIP’s shares slipping.

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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    first
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    second
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    third
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    Third, unlike Ukip.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    rugby is crap
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited March 2017
    Labour at 25 20pt deficit.. what will it need to get rid of Corbyn..
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Labour at 25 20pt deficit.. what will it need to get rid of Corbyn..

    Loss of 1000 councillors in May ? Maybe not even that.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,955
    edited March 2017
    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    Renegotiating not abandoning and Trump always said he would do this, it will be directed against Mexico and China not the UK

    The WTO does not mentions countries by name as far as I am aware. A protectionist WTO is protectionist for everyone.

    A great thing for a country where 30% of its GDP comes from foreign trade.
    If Trump withdrew the US from the WTO or did a major renegotiation of terms he could well do a free trade deal with the UK, Israel, Australia, Canada and a few selected others while imposing heavy tariffs on goods and services from the likes of China, Mexico and quite possibly the EU. The US is of course the largest destination for UK exports
    The US already has free trade deals with Canada, Australia and Israel.

    Ultimately, the US wants to leave the WTO so it can impose terms on others. The WTO stops large countries from bullying smaller ones. We, as a mid sized country, benefit from the world's trade being rule based. If the US were to leave the WTO so as to levy discriminatory tariffs, that would not be a positive for the world.

    Donald Trump has a fundamental misunderstanding. Trade deficits are not caused by having too low tariffs with China, or a too expensive currency. If they were, then Switzerland (zero tariffs with China, and an incredibly expensive currency) would have a massive trade deficit. It actually has a trade surplus.

    Trade deficits are the result of consumers spending too much and saving too little. There is a near perfect correlation between savings rates and trade balances. So long as American consumers wish to consume more than they make, the US will run a trade deficit.

    To solve America's trade deficit you need to implement policies that - as Germany did in the early 2000s - depress consumption. This works two ways: firstly it means you suck in less in exports immediately. And secondarily, it lowers the cost of capital for business, encouraging investment, and - longer-term - boosting exports.

    What is the US doing instead? They are implementing a massive stimulus package that will... oh yes... cause US consumer spending to rise, paid for by rising US debt.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    Greens going nowhere, Corbyn surges to 16 point deficit.

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/843160705943715844
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    edited March 2017
    Didn't the public apparently support the National Insurance measure last week? Shows you can't read that much into polling on individual policies.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    edited March 2017
    A terrible week for the Conservative Party, as it adds to a 16 point lead over Labour.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    The new normal: Tories low 40s, Labour mid 20s, LDs and UKIP around 10. Any poll that conforms to this isn't really headline news.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    I think that's about a Tory majority of 146 with Labour down to 163 seats...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited March 2017
    The softer the Brexit the better UKIP will do and the harder the Brexit the better the LDs will do, Labour is unlikely to benefit either way
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    FPT: Good evening, everyone.

    Scarcely watched any rugby (checked the England score, though. Disappointing) but was perplexed and intrigued by the 100 minute game in France. The Welsh must be a bit pissed off.

    On-topic: as Mr. Quidder said, this is the new normal.

    Mr. Artist, yes, I read that too.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    45%.. not bad... titters.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    The correct figure for Conservatives is 42% not 45% . Other parties figures are as given as per Comres website
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    surbiton said:

    Labour at 25 20pt deficit.. what will it need to get rid of Corbyn..

    Loss of 1000 councillors in May ? Maybe not even that.
    They are only defending around 520 seats in England and fewer than 1,000 including Scotland and Wales
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,955
    HYUFD said:
    Those are almost directly in proportion to the number of people affected!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    The correct figure for Conservatives is 42% not 45% . Other parties figures are as given as per Comres website

    A pity...
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    For lovers of Scottish sub samples Comres has

    SNP 52
    Con 21
    LDem 14
    Lab 9
    Green 3
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:
    Those are almost directly in proportion to the number of people affected!
    As ever, though a 1p rise in all rates of income tax backed by a margin of 1%
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    5...4...3...2..1...Justin Short Straws tells us it isn't that bad for Labour, and given what happened in the 1898 Bognor By-Election, Labour could still win.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    For lovers of Scottish sub samples Comres has

    SNP 52
    Con 21
    LDem 14
    Lab 9
    Green 3

    Wonder how the LD will do in the Scottish LG elections in May? They may be a lot of peoples second chose, which in the AV system will help.
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    ...even after a budget u turn Labour flounder. Possibly another Tory bounce due once article 50 triggered.

    I cant see Labour closing the gap.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:
    Those are almost directly in proportion to the number of people affected!
    Is that true for the death duties/inheritance tax statements? I get the feeling that people are acutely aware that house price inflation could lead to them being susceptible to these measures in the future.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,721
    45p has always seemed fair to me. Taking literally half seems extreme
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    Labour at 25 20pt deficit.. what will it need to get rid of Corbyn..

    Loss of 1000 councillors in May ? Maybe not even that.
    They are only defending around 520 seats in England and fewer than 1,000 including Scotland and Wales
    It was written with my tongue firmly planted in a certain corner of my mouth. Even losing a 1000 would not have made any difference.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:
    Those are almost directly in proportion to the number of people affected!
    Indeed generally speaking voters strongly support other people paying more tax. Twas ever thus.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    SeanT said:

    18 minutes to go and not a single decent England attack.

    Pretty dismal. Deserved Ireland victory.

    Its a replay of the 2011 game.

    Any thoughts on now some Russian oligarch and George Osborne have made your profession look ridiculous.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited March 2017
    Labour is a under a handicap because their leadership insanely believes that Northern labour voters en masse supports Brexit. They don't. The Brexiters left Labour long time ago.

    I don't know where this idea was implanted that just because a seat was Labour and it voted to Leave, therefore all Labour supporters are for Leave.

    It is perfectly possible for Labour to get 50% of the vote and yet only 25% of the Leave voters being Labour voters even though that seat overall voted Leave.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    BigRich said:

    For lovers of Scottish sub samples Comres has

    SNP 52
    Con 21
    LDem 14
    Lab 9
    Green 3

    Wonder how the LD will do in the Scottish LG elections in May? They may be a lot of peoples second chose, which in the AV system will help.
    We actually had proper Scot poll earlier:

    Holyrood voting intention (const): SNP: 51% (+3) CON: 24% (-1) LAB: 14% (-1) LDEM: 6% (-) GRN: 4% (+1) (via YouGov / 09 - 14 Mar)

    Holyrood voting intention (list): SNP: 40% (+1) CON: 25% (+1) LAB: 14% (-) GRN: 12% (+1) LDEM: 5% (-1) (via YouGov / 09 - 14 Mar)

    Ironically much better for the Tories and not so good for the LDs. how amusing of Mark Senior to omit it.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Apologies for the mistake on the size of the CON share. Problem of trying to post while watching the rugby and looking after grandchildren all at same time.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    Apologies for the mistake on the size of the CON share. Problem of trying to post while watching the rugby and looking after grandchildren all at same time.

    Not to worry.. the stock markets didn't seem to notice this time... :p
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    surbiton said:

    Labour at 25 20pt deficit.. what will it need to get rid of Corbyn..

    Loss of 1000 councillors in May ? Maybe not even that.
    They are only defending around 520 seats in England and fewer than 1,000 including Scotland and Wales
    I agree that total lab losses are limited because they are not defending that many seats, this time, and I'm shore the lab leadership will try to spin it as 'not that bad' but thay are defending a bit more that 1000.

    from wikipidia, seats won at last elections (so will have changed a bit from by-elections)

    England 538
    Scotland 394
    Wales 577
    Total: 1509

    As an aside, does anybody expect UKIP to do well in the welsh LG elections?
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    felix said:

    BigRich said:

    For lovers of Scottish sub samples Comres has

    SNP 52
    Con 21
    LDem 14
    Lab 9
    Green 3

    Wonder how the LD will do in the Scottish LG elections in May? They may be a lot of peoples second chose, which in the AV system will help.
    We actually had proper Scot poll earlier:

    Holyrood voting intention (const): SNP: 51% (+3) CON: 24% (-1) LAB: 14% (-1) LDEM: 6% (-) GRN: 4% (+1) (via YouGov / 09 - 14 Mar)

    Holyrood voting intention (list): SNP: 40% (+1) CON: 25% (+1) LAB: 14% (-) GRN: 12% (+1) LDEM: 5% (-1) (via YouGov / 09 - 14 Mar)

    Ironically much better for the Tories and not so good for the LDs. how amusing of Mark Senior to omit it.
    There will not be a Holyrood election this May , there will be local elections with Independents taking around 10-12% of the vote , the question is who will they take them from ?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    ComRes

    14/03/13
    Lab 37
    Con 28
    LibD 9

    24/03/13
    Lab 38
    Con 28
    Libd 12

    19/03/09
    Con 41
    Lab 30
    LibD 17

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/communicate

    Labour polled much worse in the corresponding May local elections than ComRes polled them in March.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    kle4 said:

    45p has always seemed fair to me. Taking literally half seems extreme

    And what if, there was good reason to believe that having a lower rate of tax on high earners would generate more money for the government?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    18 minutes to go and not a single decent England attack.

    Pretty dismal. Deserved Ireland victory.

    Its a replay of the 2011 game.

    Any thoughts on now some Russian oligarch and George Osborne have made your profession look ridiculous.
    Does anyone really care about the Standard? It's a tabloid. I'm surprised at the over-reaction.

    Ireland deserve to be further ahead, and they deserve the win I think they'll get
    Ireland certainly deserve to win.

    The reaction is about privilege versus meritocracy, responsibility to your job and the willingness of senior politicians to arse-lick dubious people.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Interesting to compare this Comres poll with their poll published in November 2015 for the same papers. That had figures of:
    Con 42% Lab 27% LibDem 7% UKIP 15% Grn 3%

    No change in Tory share over 16 months - slight fall in Labour vote - but the main changes relate to UKIP and the LibDems.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    BigRich said:

    kle4 said:

    45p has always seemed fair to me. Taking literally half seems extreme

    And what if, there was good reason to believe that having a lower rate of tax on high earners would generate more money for the government?
    The usual rubbish. The rich do not want to pay tax, simple.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,262

    Apologies for the mistake on the size of the CON share. Problem of trying to post while watching the rugby and looking after grandchildren all at same time.

    "Apology accepted, Captain Needa!"
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925
    Superb from the Irish. England have never quite got it right. It was a grand slam blowout in Dublin that was the making of England World Cup winning team, though. This is where Jones really starts to earn his money.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    justin124 said:

    Interesting to compare this Comres poll with their poll published in November 2015 for the same papers. That had figures of:
    Con 42% Lab 27% LibDem 7% UKIP 15% Grn 3%

    No change in Tory share over 16 months - slight fall in Labour vote - but the main changes relate to UKIP and the LibDems.

    A mere flesh wound... :p

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    BigRich said:

    kle4 said:

    45p has always seemed fair to me. Taking literally half seems extreme

    And what if, there was good reason to believe that having a lower rate of tax on high earners would generate more money for the government?
    At what point does having a lower tax on high earners generate less money for the government ?

    Because that obviously happens at some point.

    At which point I don't know but there appears to be the assumption among some people that lower tax on high earners is always the right thing to do.

    Would you, for example, support a lower rate of tax on high earners than what the median person pays ?

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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SeanT said:

    Well done Ireland. Silly old England.

    Apart from the Wales match, England played in second gear but were just one match away from a grand slam.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    ComRes

    14/03/13
    Lab 37
    Con 28
    LibD 9

    24/03/13
    Lab 38
    Con 28
    Libd 12

    19/03/09
    Con 41
    Lab 30
    LibD 17

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/communicate

    Labour polled much worse in the corresponding May local elections than ComRes polled them in March.

    Of course Labour polled much worse in the local elections which are mostly in the England county shires .
    Actual vote shares were

    2009

    Con 43.5%
    Lab 13.5%
    LDem 24.7%
    UKIP 4.6%
    Green 4.4%
    BNP 2.5%
    Others 6.8%

    2013

    Con 34.5%
    Lab 21.3%
    LDem 13.7%
    UKIP 20.2%
    Green 3.4%
    BNP 0.3%
    Others 6.6%

    It would be interesting to see the 2015 GE vote shares for only the seats with elections this May . I suspect the Conservatives would be around 50%
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Well done Ireland.

    Blimey, another poor first half for England, followed by a poorer second half. #Frustrating.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    SeanT said:

    Superb from the Irish. England have never quite got it right. It was a grand slam blowout in Dublin that was the making of England World Cup winning team, though. This is where Jones really starts to earn his money.

    England have only played really well in one game - Scotland. They arguably deserved to lose against Wales and France. Even Italy troubled them.

    They didn't deserve the Slam.
    Achieving things without deserving them is rarely good for you and England have been unimpressive this year.

    They peaked in Australia.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065

    ComRes

    14/03/13
    Lab 37
    Con 28
    LibD 9

    24/03/13
    Lab 38
    Con 28
    Libd 12

    19/03/09
    Con 41
    Lab 30
    LibD 17

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/communicate

    Labour polled much worse in the corresponding May local elections than ComRes polled them in March.

    Of course Labour polled much worse in the local elections which are mostly in the England county shires .
    Actual vote shares were

    2009

    Con 43.5%
    Lab 13.5%
    LDem 24.7%
    UKIP 4.6%
    Green 4.4%
    BNP 2.5%
    Others 6.8%

    2013

    Con 34.5%
    Lab 21.3%
    LDem 13.7%
    UKIP 20.2%
    Green 3.4%
    BNP 0.3%
    Others 6.6%

    It would be interesting to see the 2015 GE vote shares for only the seats with elections this May . I suspect the Conservatives would be around 50%
    Labour polled much worse in the NEV than the polls suggested.

    And its NEV which matters not actual votes.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Well done Ireland.

    Blimey, another poor first half for England, followed by a poorer second half. #Frustrating.

    Failing to take the points down 4 with 10 minutes left and momentum was a bizarre decision. Losing the ensuing line out basically ended the game.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,262
    SeanT said:

    Superb from the Irish. England have never quite got it right. It was a grand slam blowout in Dublin that was the making of England World Cup winning team, though. This is where Jones really starts to earn his money.

    England have only played really well in one game - Scotland. They arguably deserved to lose against Wales and France. Even Italy troubled them.

    They didn't deserve the Slam.
    League table doesn't lie...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    SeanT said:

    Superb from the Irish. England have never quite got it right. It was a grand slam blowout in Dublin that was the making of England World Cup winning team, though. This is where Jones really starts to earn his money.

    England have only played really well in one game - Scotland. They arguably deserved to lose against Wales and France. Even Italy troubled them.

    They didn't deserve the Slam.
    Achieving things without deserving them is rarely good for you and England have been unimpressive this year.

    They peaked in Australia.
    They haven't peaked...they played most of the 6 nations with only half the starting team. No Big Billy and Bro, no Kruis , no Robshaw, no Watson, no Tuilagi,
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2017

    This sounds a bit pish.

    twitter.com/NoQuotesPowell/status/843165862995660800

    I thought Joshua was fighting the Machine shortly?
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    theakestheakes Posts: 841
    Looks like the Conservatives ar going to have a very good May election, the Lib Dems to a lesser extent, withUKIP and Labour losing.
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    felix said:

    BigRich said:

    For lovers of Scottish sub samples Comres has

    SNP 52
    Con 21
    LDem 14
    Lab 9
    Green 3

    Wonder how the LD will do in the Scottish LG elections in May? They may be a lot of peoples second chose, which in the AV system will help.
    We actually had proper Scot poll earlier:

    Holyrood voting intention (const): SNP: 51% (+3) CON: 24% (-1) LAB: 14% (-1) LDEM: 6% (-) GRN: 4% (+1) (via YouGov / 09 - 14 Mar)

    Holyrood voting intention (list): SNP: 40% (+1) CON: 25% (+1) LAB: 14% (-) GRN: 12% (+1) LDEM: 5% (-1) (via YouGov / 09 - 14 Mar)

    Ironically much better for the Tories and not so good for the LDs. how amusing of Mark Senior to omit it.
    There will not be a Holyrood election this May , there will be local elections with Independents taking around 10-12% of the vote , the question is who will they take them from ?
    First pref - currently I'd expect SNP 45%, SCON 18% , SLAB 14%, Ind 12%, SLID 6%, Greens 3%
    - next week's S.30 shenanigans will no doubt have an impact !!
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065

    SeanT said:

    Superb from the Irish. England have never quite got it right. It was a grand slam blowout in Dublin that was the making of England World Cup winning team, though. This is where Jones really starts to earn his money.

    England have only played really well in one game - Scotland. They arguably deserved to lose against Wales and France. Even Italy troubled them.

    They didn't deserve the Slam.
    Achieving things without deserving them is rarely good for you and England have been unimpressive this year.

    They peaked in Australia.
    They haven't peaked...they played most of the 6 nations with only half the starting team. No Big Billy and Bro, no Kruis , no Robshaw, no Watson, no Tuilagi,
    In top level modern rugby you're always going to without some first choice players and with England's greater strength in depth this works to their advantage.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,039
    edited March 2017

    This sounds a bit pish.

    twitter.com/NoQuotesPowell/status/843165862995660800

    I thought Joshua was fighting the Machine shortly?
    Spoof, apologies!
    Stranger things have happened in boxing, mind..
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2017

    SeanT said:

    Superb from the Irish. England have never quite got it right. It was a grand slam blowout in Dublin that was the making of England World Cup winning team, though. This is where Jones really starts to earn his money.

    England have only played really well in one game - Scotland. They arguably deserved to lose against Wales and France. Even Italy troubled them.

    They didn't deserve the Slam.
    Achieving things without deserving them is rarely good for you and England have been unimpressive this year.

    They peaked in Australia.
    They haven't peaked...they played most of the 6 nations with only half the starting team. No Big Billy and Bro, no Kruis , no Robshaw, no Watson, no Tuilagi,
    In top level modern rugby you're always going to without some first choice players and with England's greater strength in depth this works to their advantage.
    True, but that is a serious amount of talent missing. Also, England when they smashed the Aussies, used a full fit Big Billy as human battering ram. He wasn't fully fit today.

    You might say we were too reliant on him and that might be true (Hughes and Harrison aren't in the same league as him), but when he is in the team and firing all cylinders he makes a massive difference.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,262
    SeanT said:

    That was also a notably boring, stodgy game of rugby. I cannot remember one decent flowing back movement from either team. Just dull.

    Football is the best form of.... football :)
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    Mr. Divvie, obvious spoof. We all know that Joshua's next fight is against George Osborne.
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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    SeanT said:

    Superb from the Irish. England have never quite got it right. It was a grand slam blowout in Dublin that was the making of England World Cup winning team, though. This is where Jones really starts to earn his money.

    England have only played really well in one game - Scotland. They arguably deserved to lose against Wales and France. Even Italy troubled them.

    They didn't deserve the Slam.
    Achieving things without deserving them is rarely good for you and England have been unimpressive this year.

    They peaked in Australia.
    They haven't peaked...they played most of the 6 nations with only half the starting team. No Big Billy and Bro, no Kruis , no Robshaw, no Watson, no Tuilagi,
    In top level modern rugby you're always going to without some first choice players and with England's greater strength in depth this works to their advantage.
    Outplayed by Ireland from the start. It was a fair result. A number of players just aren't good enough. Cole, Ford, Hartley for a start.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    rugby is crap

    rugby is crap will never be PM
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    SeanT said:

    That was also a notably boring, stodgy game of rugby. I cannot remember one decent flowing back movement from either team. Just dull.

    A single try says it all - when was the last time you saw that in a rugby game ?

    England looked tense from the start, I'm just annoyed I didn't think of having a bet at that point.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,039

    Mr. Divvie, obvious spoof. We all know that Joshua's next fight is against George Osborne.

    Nuttall first..
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    ComRes

    14/03/13
    Lab 37
    Con 28
    LibD 9

    24/03/13
    Lab 38
    Con 28
    Libd 12

    19/03/09
    Con 41
    Lab 30
    LibD 17

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/communicate

    Labour polled much worse in the corresponding May local elections than ComRes polled them in March.

    Of course Labour polled much worse in the local elections which are mostly in the England county shires .
    Actual vote shares were

    2009

    Con 43.5%
    Lab 13.5%
    LDem 24.7%
    UKIP 4.6%
    Green 4.4%
    BNP 2.5%
    Others 6.8%

    2013

    Con 34.5%
    Lab 21.3%
    LDem 13.7%
    UKIP 20.2%
    Green 3.4%
    BNP 0.3%
    Others 6.6%

    It would be interesting to see the 2015 GE vote shares for only the seats with elections this May . I suspect the Conservatives would be around 50%
    Labour polled much worse in the NEV than the polls suggested.

    And its NEV which matters not actual votes.
    NEV is very hard to calculate correctly when the national elections held in a particular year are very unrepresentative of the country as a whole . This is especially the case in CC years 2009/2013 and this year . This year ( unlike 2009 and 2013 ) does have elections in Wales and Scotland . In my view comparing the actual vote shares this year with 2009 and 2013 will give a better pictures .
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    BigRich said:

    kle4 said:

    45p has always seemed fair to me. Taking literally half seems extreme

    And what if, there was good reason to believe that having a lower rate of tax on high earners would generate more money for the government?
    At what point does having a lower tax on high earners generate less money for the government ?

    Because that obviously happens at some point.

    At which point I don't know but there appears to be the assumption among some people that lower tax on high earners is always the right thing to do.

    Would you, for example, support a lower rate of tax on high earners than what the median person pays ?

    Good question, and no, I would have exactly the same tax rate for everybody. abolish NI, and tax brakes like ISAs and pensions, and Then have a universal welfare payment, the same amount going to everybody so the system as a whole is 'simple' and 'Progressive' and embodies 'equality be for the law'

    I think this would generate the most amount of money from high earners, most - well almost everybody likes to think of themselves as a good person, and will only do bad things if they can find a way of justifying them and saying they are not bad. for some rich people this will be 'pore people don't pay income tax and middle income people use ISAs and pensions to avoid paying tax so why shouldn't I try to do the same. it may feel odd to those of us not earning very high incomes but may of those that do feel that the 50% and now 45% victimise them.

    What do you think?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    One thing England need to some how manage is to not concede as much possession. They are fantastic in defence, but you can't give the likes of the All Blacks 75% of the ball and hope to be within touching distance no matter how organized you are and how well you tackle.

    Throughout the 6-nations England gave every team they played plenty of the ball and won several matches by having amazing defence for long spells.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2017
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    That was also a notably boring, stodgy game of rugby. I cannot remember one decent flowing back movement from either team. Just dull.

    Football is the best form of.... football :)
    When international rugby is played with speed, skill and intensity it is the greatest of all sports.

    But when it gets bogged down - like that match - it is seriously dull. Only the Grand Slam/world record tension made it watchable.

    Onwards to the Lions. Though I find it hard to get excited by this contrived team, these days.
    I wonder how many English players might get a cold? I can't see Eddie being very happy for the likes of Big Billy to go and get smashed up after a number of really punishing years and a serious injury.

    Alex Ferguson wouldn't have them going...cough cough Ryan Giggs...
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Rugby used to be a game played by 15 players in a team for 80 minutes . Nowadays 10 players play for 80 minutes and another ten are only fit enough to play for an average of 40 minutes .
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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    ComRes

    14/03/13
    Lab 37
    Con 28
    LibD 9

    24/03/13
    Lab 38
    Con 28
    Libd 12

    19/03/09
    Con 41
    Lab 30
    LibD 17

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/communicate

    Labour polled much worse in the corresponding May local elections than ComRes polled them in March.

    Of course Labour polled much worse in the local elections which are mostly in the England county shires .
    Actual vote shares were

    2009

    Con 43.5%
    Lab 13.5%
    LDem 24.7%
    UKIP 4.6%
    Green 4.4%
    BNP 2.5%
    Others 6.8%

    2013

    Con 34.5%
    Lab 21.3%
    LDem 13.7%
    UKIP 20.2%
    Green 3.4%
    BNP 0.3%
    Others 6.6%

    It would be interesting to see the 2015 GE vote shares for only the seats with elections this May . I suspect the Conservatives would be around 50%
    I think the outcome will replicate the 2009 results. Won't be a big issue for Jezza because they won't lose many seats or Councils. 2018 is the big one for them.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    felix said:

    BigRich said:

    For lovers of Scottish sub samples Comres has

    SNP 52
    Con 21
    LDem 14
    Lab 9
    Green 3

    Wonder how the LD will do in the Scottish LG elections in May? They may be a lot of peoples second chose, which in the AV system will help.
    We actually had proper Scot poll earlier:

    Holyrood voting intention (const): SNP: 51% (+3) CON: 24% (-1) LAB: 14% (-1) LDEM: 6% (-) GRN: 4% (+1) (via YouGov / 09 - 14 Mar)

    Holyrood voting intention (list): SNP: 40% (+1) CON: 25% (+1) LAB: 14% (-) GRN: 12% (+1) LDEM: 5% (-1) (via YouGov / 09 - 14 Mar)

    Ironically much better for the Tories and not so good for the LDs. how amusing of Mark Senior to omit it.
    There will not be a Holyrood election this May , there will be local elections with Independents taking around 10-12% of the vote , the question is who will they take them from ?
    STV makes this kind of polling almost but not quite pointless. Knowing first preference is useful but not the be all and end all as there has been clear "Unionist Transfers" in council by-elections since the Referendum.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,955

    ComRes

    14/03/13
    Lab 37
    Con 28
    LibD 9

    24/03/13
    Lab 38
    Con 28
    Libd 12

    19/03/09
    Con 41
    Lab 30
    LibD 17

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/communicate

    Labour polled much worse in the corresponding May local elections than ComRes polled them in March.

    Of course Labour polled much worse in the local elections which are mostly in the England county shires .
    Actual vote shares were

    2009

    Con 43.5%
    Lab 13.5%
    LDem 24.7%
    UKIP 4.6%
    Green 4.4%
    BNP 2.5%
    Others 6.8%

    2013

    Con 34.5%
    Lab 21.3%
    LDem 13.7%
    UKIP 20.2%
    Green 3.4%
    BNP 0.3%
    Others 6.6%

    It would be interesting to see the 2015 GE vote shares for only the seats with elections this May . I suspect the Conservatives would be around 50%
    Labour polled much worse in the NEV than the polls suggested.

    And its NEV which matters not actual votes.
    I think all Mark is suggesting is that, to compare how parties are doing relative to 2013 and 2009, we look at vote share changes on a like for like basis. That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2017
    One bright spark for England in the 6-nations...Elliot Daly.

    If we can get enough ball, he always looks like he can create some special.

    Johhny May on the other hand...he might be as fast as a 100m sprinter but he looks like the opposition blowing on him is enough to get him to the ground.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    Entirely OT, apologies, but thought the PB brains trust would be a good one to consult about this. if one had to make an emergency visit to touristy Cape Town, what jabs/medication/visa details should one know?
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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Dixie said:

    ComRes

    14/03/13
    Lab 37
    Con 28
    LibD 9

    24/03/13
    Lab 38
    Con 28
    Libd 12

    19/03/09
    Con 41
    Lab 30
    LibD 17

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/communicate

    Labour polled much worse in the corresponding May local elections than ComRes polled them in March.

    Of course Labour polled much worse in the local elections which are mostly in the England county shires .
    Actual vote shares were

    2009

    Con 43.5%
    Lab 13.5%
    LDem 24.7%
    UKIP 4.6%
    Green 4.4%
    BNP 2.5%
    Others 6.8%

    2013

    Con 34.5%
    Lab 21.3%
    LDem 13.7%
    UKIP 20.2%
    Green 3.4%
    BNP 0.3%
    Others 6.6%

    It would be interesting to see the 2015 GE vote shares for only the seats with elections this May . I suspect the Conservatives would be around 50%
    I think the outcome will replicate the 2009 results. Won't be a big issue for Jezza because they won't lose many seats or Councils. 2018 is the big one for them.
    This is what a Labour fella thinks of the forthcoming election:

    http://labourlist.org/2017/03/luke-akehurst-what-would-a-good-series-of-local-election-results-look-like/
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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    SeanT said:

    Dixie said:

    SeanT said:

    Superb from the Irish. England have never quite got it right. It was a grand slam blowout in Dublin that was the making of England World Cup winning team, though. This is where Jones really starts to earn his money.

    England have only played really well in one game - Scotland. They arguably deserved to lose against Wales and France. Even Italy troubled them.

    They didn't deserve the Slam.
    Achieving things without deserving them is rarely good for you and England have been unimpressive this year.

    They peaked in Australia.
    They haven't peaked...they played most of the 6 nations with only half the starting team. No Big Billy and Bro, no Kruis , no Robshaw, no Watson, no Tuilagi,
    In top level modern rugby you're always going to without some first choice players and with England's greater strength in depth this works to their advantage.
    Outplayed by Ireland from the start. It was a fair result. A number of players just aren't good enough. Cole, Ford, Hartley for a start.
    Bit harsh. In two seasons, England have gone from historic World Cup flops, to a Grand Slam, followed by a Championship, and a world record (equalling) run of victories, including an historic whitewash away against Australia.

    lol. They played some unintelligent rugby today (and all season) but Jones is building a potentially brilliant team.
    Credit must go to Ireland, much as I hate to write those words. England outplayed. I just think there needs to be more depth.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    Entirely OT, apologies, but thought the PB brains trust would be a good one to consult about this. if one had to make an emergency visit to touristy Cape Town, what jabs/medication/visa details should one know?

    You don't need any jabs or meds. No visa for visits of less that 90 days
    Thanks Sean, that's really handy to know.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2017
    Dixie said:

    SeanT said:

    Dixie said:

    SeanT said:

    Superb from the Irish. England have never quite got it right. It was a grand slam blowout in Dublin that was the making of England World Cup winning team, though. This is where Jones really starts to earn his money.

    England have only played really well in one game - Scotland. They arguably deserved to lose against Wales and France. Even Italy troubled them.

    They didn't deserve the Slam.
    Achieving things without deserving them is rarely good for you and England have been unimpressive this year.

    They peaked in Australia.
    They haven't peaked...they played most of the 6 nations with only half the starting team. No Big Billy and Bro, no Kruis , no Robshaw, no Watson, no Tuilagi,
    In top level modern rugby you're always going to without some first choice players and with England's greater strength in depth this works to their advantage.
    Outplayed by Ireland from the start. It was a fair result. A number of players just aren't good enough. Cole, Ford, Hartley for a start.
    Bit harsh. In two seasons, England have gone from historic World Cup flops, to a Grand Slam, followed by a Championship, and a world record (equalling) run of victories, including an historic whitewash away against Australia.

    lol. They played some unintelligent rugby today (and all season) but Jones is building a potentially brilliant team.
    Credit must go to Ireland, much as I hate to write those words. England outplayed. I just think there needs to be more depth.
    By depth, you realise England were still missing a whole bench of players through injury that would normally get in the squad.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    SeanT said:

    Superb from the Irish. England have never quite got it right. It was a grand slam blowout in Dublin that was the making of England World Cup winning team, though. This is where Jones really starts to earn his money.

    England have only played really well in one game - Scotland. They arguably deserved to lose against Wales and France. Even Italy troubled them.

    They didn't deserve the Slam.
    League table doesn't lie...
    Yes, everyone else was shiter than England. They were reffed over the line against France, won a toss up Vs Wales, humiliated for 40 mins Vs Italy.

    Non vintage year.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    SeanT said:

    Dixie said:

    SeanT said:

    Dixie said:

    SeanT said:

    Superb from the Irish. England have never quite got it right. It was a grand slam blowout in Dublin that was the making of England World Cup winning team, though. This is where Jones really starts to earn his money.

    England have only played really well in one game - Scotland. They arguably deserved to lose against Wales and France. Even Italy troubled them.

    They didn't deserve the Slam.
    Achieving things without deserving them is rarely good for you and England have been unimpressive this year.

    They peaked in Australia.
    They haven't peaked...they played most of the 6 nations with only half the starting team. No Big Billy and Bro, no Kruis , no Robshaw, no Watson, no Tuilagi,
    In top level modern rugby you're always going to without some first choice players and with England's greater strength in depth this works to their advantage.
    Outplayed by Ireland from the start. It was a fair result. A number of players just aren't good enough. Cole, Ford, Hartley for a start.
    Bit harsh. In two seasons, England have gone from historic World Cup flops, to a Grand Slam, followed by a Championship, and a world record (equalling) run of victories, including an historic whitewash away against Australia.

    lol. They played some unintelligent rugby today (and all season) but Jones is building a potentially brilliant team.
    Credit must go to Ireland, much as I hate to write those words. England outplayed. I just think there needs to be more depth.
    Ireland beat the All Blacks. They're a good team. They out-thought England by turning the game into an attritional display of disruption, and England simply lacked enough possession, mainly because of errors.

    But England are still champions, and now (equal) world record holders in consecutive victories. It's hardly a catastrophe.

    I agree with the comment down-thread that many of them might not really want to go to NZ with the Lions. What's the point in the Lions, these days, apart from generating much-needed cash for our Antipodean friends?
    Now we are Brexit-ing, don't we have to look to do more of that ;-)
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    rcs1000 said:

    ComRes

    14/03/13
    Lab 37
    Con 28
    LibD 9

    24/03/13
    Lab 38
    Con 28
    Libd 12

    19/03/09
    Con 41
    Lab 30
    LibD 17

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/communicate

    Labour polled much worse in the corresponding May local elections than ComRes polled them in March.

    Of course Labour polled much worse in the local elections which are mostly in the England county shires .
    Actual vote shares were

    2009

    Con 43.5%
    Lab 13.5%
    LDem 24.7%
    UKIP 4.6%
    Green 4.4%
    BNP 2.5%
    Others 6.8%

    2013

    Con 34.5%
    Lab 21.3%
    LDem 13.7%
    UKIP 20.2%
    Green 3.4%
    BNP 0.3%
    Others 6.6%

    It would be interesting to see the 2015 GE vote shares for only the seats with elections this May . I suspect the Conservatives would be around 50%
    Labour polled much worse in the NEV than the polls suggested.

    And its NEV which matters not actual votes.
    I think all Mark is suggesting is that, to compare how parties are doing relative to 2013 and 2009, we look at vote share changes on a like for like basis. That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
    Certainly.

    But I prefer to do so on a NEV basis.

    It is after all the basis upon which they're reported:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2009
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2013

    The problem with looking at actual vote chares is that not every year has the same set of elections.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    rcs1000 said:

    ComRes

    14/03/13
    Lab 37
    Con 28
    LibD 9

    24/03/13
    Lab 38
    Con 28
    Libd 12

    19/03/09
    Con 41
    Lab 30
    LibD 17

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/communicate

    Labour polled much worse in the corresponding May local elections than ComRes polled them in March.

    Of course Labour polled much worse in the local elections which are mostly in the England county shires .
    Actual vote shares were

    2009

    Con 43.5%
    Lab 13.5%
    LDem 24.7%
    UKIP 4.6%
    Green 4.4%
    BNP 2.5%
    Others 6.8%

    2013

    Con 34.5%
    Lab 21.3%
    LDem 13.7%
    UKIP 20.2%
    Green 3.4%
    BNP 0.3%
    Others 6.6%

    It would be interesting to see the 2015 GE vote shares for only the seats with elections this May . I suspect the Conservatives would be around 50%
    Labour polled much worse in the NEV than the polls suggested.

    And its NEV which matters not actual votes.
    I think all Mark is suggesting is that, to compare how parties are doing relative to 2013 and 2009, we look at vote share changes on a like for like basis. That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
    Certainly.

    But I prefer to do so on a NEV basis.

    It is after all the basis upon which they're reported:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2009
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2013

    The problem with looking at actual vote chares is that not every year has the same set of elections.
    The calculation of NEV relies on there being a number of wards being fought that are representative of the country as a whole . That is not possible in 2009/2013 and 2017 and so makes the comparison of NEV with other years more inaccurate . Looking at actual vote shares will give us an almost completely accurate comparison for this May with 2009 and 2013
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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Dixie said:

    SeanT said:

    Dixie said:

    SeanT said:

    Superb from the Irish. England have never quite got it right. It was a grand slam blowout in Dublin that was the making of England World Cup winning team, though. This is where Jones really starts to earn his money.

    England have only played really well in one game - Scotland. They arguably deserved to lose against Wales and France. Even Italy troubled them.

    They didn't deserve the Slam.
    Achieving things without deserving them is rarely good for you and England have been unimpressive this year.

    They peaked in Australia.
    They haven't peaked...they played most of the 6 nations with only half the starting team. No Big Billy and Bro, no Kruis , no Robshaw, no Watson, no Tuilagi,
    In top level modern rugby you're always going to without some first choice players and with England's greater strength in depth this works to their advantage.
    Outplayed by Ireland from the start. It was a fair result. A number of players just aren't good enough. Cole, Ford, Hartley for a start.
    Bit harsh. In two seasons, England have gone from historic World Cup flops, to a Grand Slam, followed by a Championship, and a world record (equalling) run of victories, including an historic whitewash away against Australia.

    lol. They played some unintelligent rugby today (and all season) but Jones is building a potentially brilliant team.
    Credit must go to Ireland, much as I hate to write those words. England outplayed. I just think there needs to be more depth.
    By depth, you realise England were still missing a whole bench of players through injury that would normally get in the squad.
    every rugby team has half a dozen players missing. No excuse
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    llefllef Posts: 298
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    Renegotiating not abandoning and Trump always said he would do this, it will be directed against Mexico and China not the UK

    The WTO does not mentions countries by name as far as I am aware. A protectionist WTO is protectionist for everyone.

    A great thing for a country where 30% of its GDP comes from foreign trade.
    If Trump withdrew the US from the WTO or did a major renegotiation of terms he could well do a free trade deal with the UK, Israel, Australia, Canada and a few selected others while imposing heavy tariffs on goods and services from the likes of China, Mexico and quite possibly the EU. The US is of course the largest destination for UK exports
    The US already has free trade deals with Canada, Australia and Israel.

    Ultimately, the US wants to leave the WTO so it can impose terms on others. The WTO stops large countries from bullying smaller ones. We, as a mid sized country, benefit from the world's trade being rule based. If the US were to leave the WTO so as to levy discriminatory tariffs, that would not be a positive for the world.

    Donald Trump has a fundamental misunderstanding. Trade deficits are not caused by having too low tariffs with China, or a too expensive currency. If they were, then Switzerland (zero tariffs with China, and an incredibly expensive currency) would have a massive trade deficit. It actually has a trade surplus.

    Trade deficits are the result of consumers spending too much and saving too little. There is a near perfect correlation between savings rates and trade balances. So long as American consumers wish to consume more than they make, the US will run a trade deficit.

    To solve America's trade deficit you need to implement policies that - as Germany did in the early 2000s - depress consumption. This works two ways: firstly it means you suck in less in exports immediately. And secondarily, it lowers the cost of capital for business, encouraging investment, and - longer-term - boosting exports.

    What is the US doing instead? They are implementing a massive stimulus package that will... oh yes... cause US consumer spending to rise, paid for by rising US debt.
    I understand the "depress consumption" argument, but, with interest rates at 0%, isn't our cost of capital very low anyway, yet we still have little investment.. (except in BTL)....
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2017
    SeanT said:

    Because of the unique way it is funded, the BBC is able to ask the questions other networks are too scared to pose:

    twitter.com/bbcasiannetwork/status/842672388223483904

    Seems to be still something missing from the BBC report from incident in Paris today...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39314250

    They have updated the article, but it is appears to have to be dragged out of them slowly.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Stephen Daisley - No peace after the PM’s victory in Four-Day War

    "Speaking on Thursday, Mrs May told an interviewer: ‘When the SNP government say that it’s the time to start talking about a new independence referendum, I say that just at this point, all our energies should be focused on our negotiations with the European Union about our future relationship… That’s my job as Prime Minister. Right now we should be working together, not pulling apart. And so, for that reason, I say to the SNP, now is not the time.’

    This was pitched perfectly to Scottish voters, to whom she was really talking. The Prime Minister refused to be drawn into an unseemly public spat with the SNP leader, instead making her common sense case to the electorate. Westminster, she was saying, was not preventing Scotland from holding another independence referendum. But we have Brexit to get through so let’s stick with one constitutional crisis at a time."

    "Every time the Nats get themselves into a jam, every time it looks like they might finally have to stop girning and start governing, up pop the six little anoraks, festooned with CND badges and brimming with good intentions, and they come to the rescue. Time after time, Mr Harvie drags the SNP out of a hole and gets nothing in return except a pat on the head. That isn’t leadership; it’s the political instincts of Lassie.

    The Greens’ amening of Miss Sturgeon’s gambit is different from previous acts of handmaidenry because it breaks the party’s pledge to the voters. In the manifesto they were elected on last May, the Greens promised"
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,039
    Is this a new Indy poll? Strange way of reporting it if so.

    'Most Britons say Brexit vote makes break-up of UK more likely – poll

    Any future vote is likely to be closer, with 47% of Scots polled saying that they would prefer a yes vote in a new referendum, against 44% who prefer no.'

    https://tinyurl.com/lcy2ftv
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,988
    edited March 2017
    BigRich said:

    BigRich said:

    kle4 said:

    45p has always seemed fair to me. Taking literally half seems extreme

    And what if, there was good reason to believe that having a lower rate of tax on high earners would generate more money for the government?
    At what point does having a lower tax on high earners generate less money for the government ?

    Because that obviously happens at some point.

    At which point I don't know but there appears to be the assumption among some people that lower tax on high earners is always the right thing to do.

    Would you, for example, support a lower rate of tax on high earners than what the median person pays ?

    Good question, and no, I would have exactly the same tax rate for everybody. abolish NI, and tax brakes like ISAs and pensions, and Then have a universal welfare payment, the same amount going to everybody so the system as a whole is 'simple' and 'Progressive' and embodies 'equality be for the law'

    I think this would generate the most amount of money from high earners, most - well almost everybody likes to think of themselves as a good person, and will only do bad things if they can find a way of justifying them and saying they are not bad. for some rich people this will be 'pore people don't pay income tax and middle income people use ISAs and pensions to avoid paying tax so why shouldn't I try to do the same. it may feel odd to those of us not earning very high incomes but may of those that do feel that the 50% and now 45% victimise them.

    What do you think?
    I'd tax everyone earning over £1million at 80% rather than trying to cap the ridiculous sums paid to people who don't deserve it or need it. And I would appoint a personal HMRC minder to ensure they don't wriggle out of it. If they want to leave the UK, bye bye.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,710
    "What is the right punishment for blasphemy?"
    Christ knows.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    "What is the right punishment for blasphemy?"
    Christ knows.

    Or in this case, Mohammad knows?
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Dixie said:

    Dixie said:

    ComRes

    14/03/13
    Lab 37
    Con 28
    LibD 9

    24/03/13
    Lab 38
    Con 28
    Libd 12

    19/03/09
    Con 41
    Lab 30
    LibD 17

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/communicate

    Labour polled much worse in the corresponding May local elections than ComRes polled them in March.

    Of course Labour polled much worse in the local elections which are mostly in the England county shires .
    Actual vote shares were

    2009

    Con 43.5%
    Lab 13.5%
    LDem 24.7%
    UKIP 4.6%
    Green 4.4%
    BNP 2.5%
    Others 6.8%

    2013

    Con 34.5%
    Lab 21.3%
    LDem 13.7%
    UKIP 20.2%
    Green 3.4%
    BNP 0.3%
    Others 6.6%

    It would be interesting to see the 2015 GE vote shares for only the seats with elections this May . I suspect the Conservatives would be around 50%
    I think the outcome will replicate the 2009 results. Won't be a big issue for Jezza because they won't lose many seats or Councils. 2018 is the big one for them.
    This is what a Labour fella thinks of the forthcoming election:

    http://labourlist.org/2017/03/luke-akehurst-what-would-a-good-series-of-local-election-results-look-like/
    That article comes across as very optimistic.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,599
    BigRich said:

    Dixie said:

    Dixie said:

    ComRes

    14/03/13
    Lab 37
    Con 28
    LibD 9

    24/03/13
    Lab 38
    Con 28
    Libd 12

    19/03/09
    Con 41
    Lab 30
    LibD 17

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/communicate

    Labour polled much worse in the corresponding May local elections than ComRes polled them in March.

    Of course Labour polled much worse in the local elections which are mostly in the England county shires .
    Actual vote shares were

    2009

    Con 43.5%
    Lab 13.5%
    LDem 24.7%
    UKIP 4.6%
    Green 4.4%
    BNP 2.5%
    Others 6.8%

    2013

    Con 34.5%
    Lab 21.3%
    LDem 13.7%
    UKIP 20.2%
    Green 3.4%
    BNP 0.3%
    Others 6.6%

    It would be interesting to see the 2015 GE vote shares for only the seats with elections this May . I suspect the Conservatives would be around 50%
    I think the outcome will replicate the 2009 results. Won't be a big issue for Jezza because they won't lose many seats or Councils. 2018 is the big one for them.
    This is what a Labour fella thinks of the forthcoming election:

    http://labourlist.org/2017/03/luke-akehurst-what-would-a-good-series-of-local-election-results-look-like/
    That article comes across as very optimistic.
    Makes it easier to slag off Jezza when we underperform.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    fitalass said:

    Stephen Daisley - No peace after the PM’s victory in Four-Day War

    "Speaking on Thursday, Mrs May told an interviewer: ‘When the SNP government say that it’s the time to start talking about a new independence referendum, I say that just at this point, all our energies should be focused on our negotiations with the European Union about our future relationship… That’s my job as Prime Minister. Right now we should be working together, not pulling apart. And so, for that reason, I say to the SNP, now is not the time.’

    This was pitched perfectly to Scottish voters, to whom she was really talking. The Prime Minister refused to be drawn into an unseemly public spat with the SNP leader, instead making her common sense case to the electorate. Westminster, she was saying, was not preventing Scotland from holding another independence referendum. But we have Brexit to get through so let’s stick with one constitutional crisis at a time."

    "Every time the Nats get themselves into a jam, every time it looks like they might finally have to stop girning and start governing, up pop the six little anoraks, festooned with CND badges and brimming with good intentions, and they come to the rescue. Time after time, Mr Harvie drags the SNP out of a hole and gets nothing in return except a pat on the head. That isn’t leadership; it’s the political instincts of Lassie.

    The Greens’ amening of Miss Sturgeon’s gambit is different from previous acts of handmaidenry because it breaks the party’s pledge to the voters. In the manifesto they were elected on last May, the Greens promised"

    I see Daisley joins the long list of people who are unable to read the Green's manifesto.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,053
    edited March 2017

    Is this a new Indy poll? Strange way of reporting it if so.

    'Most Britons say Brexit vote makes break-up of UK more likely – poll

    Any future vote is likely to be closer, with 47% of Scots polled saying that they would prefer a yes vote in a new referendum, against 44% who prefer no.'

    https://tinyurl.com/lcy2ftv

    There must be more than a few prominent unionist figures reading the runes and wondering when to time their conversion 'with a heavy heart' to independence. Once it begins to appear inevitable, the questions will become defined more by post-independence politics.

    Also, the moment A50 is invoked, the international dimension will be transformed and senior people in other EU member states will feel much more liberty to opine on the practicalities for seamless Scottish reentry.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,915
    SeanT said:

    Because of the unique way it is funded, the BBC is able to ask the questions other networks are too scared to pose:

    https://twitter.com/bbcasiannetwork/status/842672388223483904

    There are 50 other channels between 800 & 860 on sky that wouldn't even allow the question to be asked
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