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We hear so much these days about whether a particular area voted LEAVE or REMAIN that I thought it might be interesting to examine how this worked out in the English Premiership League.

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IanB2

First like Farron (United)!

tlg86

Second like the ****

DavidL

Thought I should say it before anywhere else but isn't United's area mainly London and hence even more remain?

IanB2

On the football, it's just 'follow the money'. Except aren't Palace in MK?

MikeSmithson

DavidL said:

Thought I should say it before anywhere else but isn't United's area mainly London and hence even more remain?

But Tim Montgomerie, a big MUFC fan, is hardly in the remain camp.

MikeSmithson

IanB2 said:

On the football, it's just 'follow the money'. Except aren't Palace in MK?

No. Palace play at Selhurst park which is in the northern part of the borough of Croydon.

JohnLoony

Karl Wallenda and William of Norwich died on this day 39 and 573 years ago respectively at the age of 73 and 12 respectively as a result of gravity and doubleplusnaughtiness respectively.

Meanwhile, as of yesterday, there are now (once again) four octogenarian Labour MPs, due to the autooctogenarianification of Ann Clwyd

JackW

All the leading clubs in the Premiership REMAIN at the top .....

Relegation candidates looking ready to LEAVE the top flight .....

DavidL

MikeSmithson said:

DavidL said:

Thought I should say it before anywhere else but isn't United's area mainly London and hence even more remain?

But Tim Montgomerie, a big MUFC fan, is hardly in the remain camp.

Well so am I and I voted leave too. The table is another way of showing the divide between the big urban centres and the rest. Successful clubs tend to be in the former.

GeoffM

Very funny article, although it's always good to remember that you can prove the most odd things:

http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

"Number of people drowned falling into pools" correlates to "Films Nicholas Cage has appeared in"

"Per Capital Cheese Consulmption" correlates to "Number of people who died after becoming tangled in their bedsheets"

PlatoSaid

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

DavidL

PlatoSaid said:

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again. Then we followed suite. And now it seems to be a thing after all. Surely we will just be forced to either have our laptops subject to a smell test for incendiaries or even, dare one suggest it, have to switch the things on in the airport security.

TOPPING

DavidL said:

PlatoSaid said:

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again. Then we followed suite. And now it seems to be a thing after all. Surely we will just be forced to either have our laptops subject to a smell test for incendiaries or even, dare one suggest it, have to switch the things on in the airport security.

The point is security should be profiling you, not asking you to turn on your laptop.

DavidL

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

PlatoSaid said:

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again. Then we followed suite. And now it seems to be a thing after all. Surely we will just be forced to either have our laptops subject to a smell test for incendiaries or even, dare one suggest it, have to switch the things on in the airport security.

The point is security should be profiling you, not asking you to turn on your laptop.

Oh I agree. When going down to London these days I very much prefer the train. Airport security (as well as the laboratory rat "shopping experience") is just too irritating to save an hour or so.

Fenman

However you also have the inverse correlation of universities. Oxford, Cambridge, Exeter, etc are in League Two, while the Premiership....

CD13

Mr L,

"When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again."

Fortunately, the full story came out before the frothers organised demonstrations and petitions against this islamophobia. But I'm sure it will be extended to all countries soon enough.

DavidL

CD13 said:

Mr L,

"When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again."

Fortunately, the full story came out before the frothers organised demonstrations and petitions against this islamophobia. But I'm sure it will be extended to all countries soon enough.

Seems inevitable doesn't it, once the technology is out there. I did wonder if the risk was not so much the country of origin as the quality of airport security. When you think of all the concerns that have been expressed about Egypt in particular since the Russian plane came down... Certainly in the UK they can test whether your device has had any contact with explosives but I am not aware how widely that sort of testing capacity is.

Jonathan

Hmm. This is fun, but this says is that big cities tend to have successful football clubs.

The idea that football clubs their location is curious.

TOPPING

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

PlatoSaid said:

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again. Then we followed suite. And now it seems to be a thing after all. Surely we will just be forced to either have our laptops subject to a smell test for incendiaries or even, dare one suggest it, have to switch the things on in the airport security.

The point is security should be profiling you, not asking you to turn on your laptop.

Oh I agree. When going down to London these days I very much prefer the train. Airport security (as well as the laboratory rat "shopping experience") is just too irritating to save an hour or so.

Plus there's little to beat passing through Berwick sitting in, ahem, first class with a glass of wine in hand.

DavidL

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

PlatoSaid said:

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again. Then we followed suite. And now it seems to be a thing after all. Surely we will just be forced to either have our laptops subject to a smell test for incendiaries or even, dare one suggest it, have to switch the things on in the airport security.

The point is security should be profiling you, not asking you to turn on your laptop.

Oh I agree. When going down to London these days I very much prefer the train. Airport security (as well as the laboratory rat "shopping experience") is just too irritating to save an hour or so.

Plus there's little to beat passing through Berwick, perhaps with a glass of wine in hand sitting in, ahem, first class with a glass of wine in hand.

Very true. I will be doing that on my way to the test at the Oval in July. Looking forward to it immensely.

Alanbrooke

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

PlatoSaid said:

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again. Then we followed suite. And now it seems to be a thing after all. Surely we will just be forced to either have our laptops subject to a smell test for incendiaries or even, dare one suggest it, have to switch the things on in the airport security.

The point is security should be profiling you, not asking you to turn on your laptop.

lol

I thought that was racist ?

AlastairMeeks

Sort of on topic: it's easy to get data on how different groups voted in the referendum (e.g. that 64% of over 65s voted Leave) but does anyone have a handy source of how each of Leave and Remain's votes were comprised (e.g. that X% of Leave's vote were over 65s)?

TOPPING

Alanbrooke said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

PlatoSaid said:

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again. Then we followed suite. And now it seems to be a thing after all. Surely we will just be forced to either have our laptops subject to a smell test for incendiaries or even, dare one suggest it, have to switch the things on in the airport security.

The point is security should be profiling you, not asking you to turn on your laptop.

lol

I thought that was racist ?

Naughty naughty. It's only racist (or at least lazy thinking) to think that the only suspicious people would be those of a different race.

AlastairMeeks

One side effect of my other half's injuries is that we have to travel by train. This weekend we're going to Budapest by train over two days. We're both looking forward to it hugely.

IanB2

DavidL said:

PlatoSaid said:

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again. Then we followed suite. And now it seems to be a thing after all. Surely we will just be forced to either have our laptops subject to a smell test for incendiaries or even, dare one suggest it, have to switch the things on in the airport security.

In the circumstances, banning devices on just flights from a handful of countries seems like an inadequate response, neither one thing or the other. A manually triggered device would clearly be a suicide attack; given that level of determination, getting onto some other flight does not seem the biggest of challenges? Surely this will end with a blanket ban.

williamglenn

Conservatives demand ongoing role for ECJ...

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/22/uk-must-retain-link-with-european-court-of-justice-say-mps

Alanbrooke

TOPPING said:

Alanbrooke said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

PlatoSaid said:

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again. Then we followed suite. And now it seems to be a thing after all. Surely we will just be forced to either have our laptops subject to a smell test for incendiaries or even, dare one suggest it, have to switch the things on in the airport security.

The point is security should be profiling you, not asking you to turn on your laptop.

lol

I thought that was racist ?

Naughty naughty. It's only racist (or at least lazy thinking) to think that the only suspicious people would be those of a different race.

You'll never make a Leftie

rcs1000

DavidL said:

CD13 said:

Mr L,

"When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again."

Fortunately, the full story came out before the frothers organised demonstrations and petitions against this islamophobia. But I'm sure it will be extended to all countries soon enough.

Seems inevitable doesn't it, once the technology is out there. I did wonder if the risk was not so much the country of origin as the quality of airport security. When you think of all the concerns that have been expressed about Egypt in particular since the Russian plane came down... Certainly in the UK they can test whether your device has had any contact with explosives but I am not aware how widely that sort of testing capacity is.

That was my assumption too. Places where screening was not good is the big concern.

TOPPING

Alanbrooke said:

TOPPING said:

Alanbrooke said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

PlatoSaid said:

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again. Then we followed suite. And now it seems to be a thing after all. Surely we will just be forced to either have our laptops subject to a smell test for incendiaries or even, dare one suggest it, have to switch the things on in the airport security.

The point is security should be profiling you, not asking you to turn on your laptop.

lol

I thought that was racist ?

Naughty naughty. It's only racist (or at least lazy thinking) to think that the only suspicious people would be those of a different race.

You'll never make a Leftie

You'll never make a security guard.

prh47bridge

IanB2 said:

On the football, it's just 'follow the money'. Except aren't Palace in MK?

I suspect you are thinking of the club that used to be known as Wimbledon, now MK Dons.

Alanbrooke

TOPPING said:

Alanbrooke said:

TOPPING said:

Alanbrooke said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

PlatoSaid said:

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again. Then we followed suite. And now it seems to be a thing after all. Surely we will just be forced to either have our laptops subject to a smell test for incendiaries or even, dare one suggest it, have to switch the things on in the airport security.

The point is security should be profiling you, not asking you to turn on your laptop.

lol

I thought that was racist ?

Naughty naughty. It's only racist (or at least lazy thinking) to think that the only suspicious people would be those of a different race.

You'll never make a Leftie

You'll never make a security guard.

Nah my dad did that, he was a rozzer for 30 years

MikeSmithson

AlastairMeeks said:

One side effect of my other half's injuries is that we have to travel by train. This weekend we're going to Budapest by train over two days. We're both looking forward to it hugely.

The European train services are now getting really good and fast and you can get good deals if you book early. We always do one long-distance train journey each year. Last time it was to near Malaga with a great stop over in Madrid which is a fantastic city to visit. Eurostar now have regular direct services from St Pancras to Avignon and Marseille. We are doing that first class in September for just £109.

rottenborough

What will Corbyn lead on today? A united Ireland?

JosiasJessop

DavidL said:

PlatoSaid said:

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again. Then we followed suite. And now it seems to be a thing after all. Surely we will just be forced to either have our laptops subject to a smell test for incendiaries or even, dare one suggest it, have to switch the things on in the airport security.

"When this story came out it was Trump being absurd against Muslims again. "

There was actually relatively little of that. E.g. read yesterday morning's thread.

SouthamObserver

Anyone who has ever been to Tottenham will know that it is not very prosperous!

AlastairMeeks

MikeSmithson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One side effect of my other half's injuries is that we have to travel by train. This weekend we're going to Budapest by train over two days. We're both looking forward to it hugely.

The European train services are now getting really good and fast and you can get good deals if you book early. We always do one long-distance train journey each year. Last time it was to near Malaga with a great stop over in Madrid which is a fantastic city to visit. Eurostar now have regular direct services from St Pancras to Avignon and Marseille. We are doing that first class in September for just £109.

That's very impressive. I was chuffed that first class returns for two to Budapest were just £750, but that's even better value.

Gallowgate

williamglenn said:

Conservatives demand ongoing role for ECJ...

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/22/uk-must-retain-link-with-european-court-of-justice-say-mps

Sounds like a good compromise to get some access to the single market.

SouthamObserver

17.4% rise in Spanish exports in January and no help with a currently devaluation. Exports are now at an historic high. The European economy is moving ahead, so no wonder we are doing well.

What many economists seem to have missed about Brexit is not only the resilience of the UK economy, but also that the vote would not derail Europe generally.

IanB2

AlastairMeeks said:

MikeSmithson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One side effect of my other half's injuries is that we have to travel by train. This weekend we're going to Budapest by train over two days. We're both looking forward to it hugely.

The European train services are now getting really good and fast and you can get good deals if you book early. We always do one long-distance train journey each year. Last time it was to near Malaga with a great stop over in Madrid which is a fantastic city to visit. Eurostar now have regular direct services from St Pancras to Avignon and Marseille. We are doing that first class in September for just £109.

That's very impressive. I was chuffed that first class returns for two to Budapest were just £750, but that's even better value.

Many years ago I remember putting the car on motorrail to Hungary and then making a holiday out of a slow drive home, through Hungary, Austria, Switzerland and France, which was a great trip. Sadly cheap flights have all but killed off Europe's motorrail network, which used to be extensive.

DecrepitJohnL

The laptops on planes ban has one odd feature. Comparing the British and American lists shows they have included UAE/Dubai/Qatar and we have not. It is almost as if the American government has slipped in a protectionist measure to help its own airlines.

Plato's link to the Daily Beast makes a similar point about American airlines being hammered by the Gulf carriers.
The three major U.S. international carriers, Delta, American and United, have found themselves left with fleets of older airplanes that can’t match the quality of cabin amenities of the Gulf airlines
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

Here is USA Today on Trump supporting US airlines in a dispute with the Gulf airlines.
a meeting Trump scheduled [last month] with Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian and United Airlines CEO Oscar Munoz. Those legacy carriers and American Airlines have asked the administration to block additional flights from state-owned Emirates, Etihad and Qatar airlines because they received an alleged $50 billion in subsidies during the last decade, which the carriers deny.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/02/07/white-house-says-airline-concerns-focus-us-jobs/97615160/

SquareRoot

IS there any evidence that the way people voted in the referendum is the same way they would vote again? Have the Nation's view of BREXIT hardened, weakened or stayed the same?

IanB2

SquareRoot said:

IS there any evidence that the way people voted in the referendum is the same way they would vote again? Have the Nation's view of BREXIT hardened, weakened or stayed the same?

Most of the polls don't show much movement at all, in aggregate, but my guess is that if that happened there would be a fair degree of churn; despite the passions of the enthusiasts, its a topic that many people don't have strong views about.

tlg86

SouthamObserver said:

Anyone who has ever been to Tottenham will know that it is not very prosperous!

I visit once a year (cup draws permitting). It's more than enough.

Scrapheap_as_was

I'm not sure Tottenham's demographic fits with this logic...

"big Premiership clubs are in the big regional centres which are generally more prosperous"

MonikerDiCanio

Nice to see Burnley overwhelmingly Leave. Hard-working decent folk.

Morris_Dancer

Good morning, everyone.

Just a few days until F1 returns. Huzzah!

Also possible Leeds, which was extremely close in terms of Leave/Remain, might get promoted (although I wouldn't put money on it).

Edited extra bit: speaking of sport, this would not go down well:
https://twitter.com/holland_tom/status/844445963079094273

IanB2

SouthamObserver said:

17.4% rise in Spanish exports in January and no help with a currently devaluation. Exports are now at an historic high. The European economy is moving ahead, so no wonder we are doing well.

What many economists seem to have missed about Brexit is not only the resilience of the UK economy, but also that the vote would not derail Europe generally.

Spain took the pain (and it was painful) early, including sorting out its financial sector, as did Ireland. The Italians and others will regret not being so brave.

Scrapheap_as_was

tlg86 said:

SouthamObserver said:

Anyone who has ever been to Tottenham will know that it is not very prosperous!

I visit once a year (cup draws permitting). It's more than enough.

I took my daughter to a game hoping to 'lead' her towards football/spurs but she was so scared by some of the 'eccentrics' we encountered walking to/from the ground that she point blank refuses to go again and I'm not talking fellow fans....

chestnut

West Ham and Manchester City were close to 60:40 Leave when polls were being run on fan websites pre-referendum. Samples were yougov sized or bigger.

One Liverpool site had one running where it's UK based supporters were Leave, but it's foreign contingent were Remain.

Support for Remain was mainly from places like QPR and Reading as well the teams that attract the glory hunter arrival sort - Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal.... etc.

trawl

That is a great deal Mike Smithson has on the train tickets to France - enjoy. The issue for us away from London would always be how much we would have to pay to get to St Pancras in the first place, esp for an AM departure.

On topic, boing boing - currently top of the leavers.

freetochoose

Anybody who has been to Tottenham knows its anything but prosperous.

An interesting graph that proves nothing I'm afraid

John_M

IanB2 said:

SquareRoot said:

IS there any evidence that the way people voted in the referendum is the same way they would vote again? Have the Nation's view of BREXIT hardened, weakened or stayed the same?

Most of the polls don't show much movement at all, in aggregate, but my guess is that if that happened there would be a fair degree of churn; despite the passions of the enthusiasts, its a topic that many people don't have strong views about.

Good morning all.

I was an 'on balance, Leave'. 9 months on, I'm 'on balance, Remain'. I wrote here before EUref, that I saw the biggest risks around the UK's ability to execute Brexit. I've seen nothing since that reassures me that we will actually do it well.

Trump's election made me wobble as I think he's likely to heighten the existing trends towards protectionism.The A50 paper was a huge disappointment, and was probably the thing that finally persuaded me that I'd made a mistake. Of course, I understand the reasoning behind May's negotiating position. At this point, it's a case of hoping for the best, while expecting the distinctly mediocre.

david_herdson

AlastairMeeks said:

One side effect of my other half's injuries is that we have to travel by train. This weekend we're going to Budapest by train over two days. We're both looking forward to it hugely.

Good for you. European rail travel is - if well-planned, convenient and cheap. I'd quite like to visit Budapest that way myself. I came close a few years ago but stayed over in Prague (where a friend from school days lives) and only changed trains in Budapest on the way on to Athens. Keleti at eleven o'clock at night is probably not the city at its best!

JosiasJessop

tlg86 said:

SouthamObserver said:

Anyone who has ever been to Tottenham will know that it is not very prosperous!

I visit once a year (cup draws permitting). It's more than enough.

Back in 1991/2, I dated a girl from that area. She took me to a cafe somewhere around there where two gangs used to hang out: one from Tottenham proper, the other from the area around Tottenham Hale station. It was quite an interesting experience at times: two groups of young men glowering at each other across an unofficial divide running down the middle of the cafe.

CarlottaVance

DavidL said:

PlatoSaid said:

More on the flight security story - intelligence from Yemeni raid

"Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security publicly cited two attacks on flights in the last two years, the downing of a Russian jet over the Egyptian Sinai in October 2015 and an attempt that nearly succeeded in bringing down a jet that had taken off from Mogadishu, Somalia last year and made an emergency landing after an explosion ripped open its cabin. The insurgent group Al-Shababb claimed credit for getting a laptop onboard the flight that had been rigged as a bomb.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/21/what-triggered-the-laptop-ban-on-flights-answers-don-t-add-up-yet.html

switch the things on in the airport security.

I read yesterday that they had found a way round the "power it up" test by including a small battery. A while back didn't we have to power up any device before taking it onboard?

HYUFD

chestnut said:

West Ham and Manchester City were close to 60:40 Leave when polls were being run on fan websites pre-referendum. Samples were yougov sized or bigger.

One Liverpool site had one running where it's UK based supporters were Leave, but it's foreign contingent were Remain.

Support for Remain was mainly from places like QPR and Reading as well the teams that attract the glory hunter arrival sort - Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal.... etc.

Exactly, most West Ham supporters actually live in Essex now which is full of Leave voters

Roger

"Footballing success comes to the places that voted AGAINST Brexit"

..........and after the ten plagues and relegation Brexiteers will be parked in a hot and particularly unpleasant corner of Hartlipool for the rest of eternity

Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS..................

Beverley_C

Roger said:

"Footballing success comes to the places that voted AGAINST Brexit"

..........and after the ten plagues and relegation Brexiteers will be parked in a hot and particularly unpleasant corner of Hartlipool for the rest of eternity

Hartlepool is no punishment. Send them to Huddersfield.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Roger, have you been reading How to Make Friends and Influence People again?

CarlottaVance

david_herdson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One side effect of my other half's injuries is that we have to travel by train. This weekend we're going to Budapest by train over two days. We're both looking forward to it hugely.

Good for you. European rail travel is - if well-planned, convenient and cheap. I'd quite like to visit Budapest that way myself. I came close a few years ago but stayed over in Prague (where a friend from school days lives) and only changed trains in Budapest on the way on to Athens. Keleti at eleven o'clock at night is probably not the city at its best!

Happy Interrailing memories from the seventies - I remember the third time I visited Athens I flew - and felt distinctly cheated!

Roger

Beverley_C said:

Roger said:

"Footballing success comes to the places that voted AGAINST Brexit"

..........and after the ten plagues and relegation Brexiteers will be parked in a hot and particularly unpleasant corner of Hartlipool for the rest of eternity

Hartlepool is no punishment. Send them to Huddersfield.

GRIMSBY!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/12/16/29923C3A00000578-0-Mr_Baron_Cohen_has_caused_fury_among_many_within_the_seaside_res-a-89_1434124758541.jpg

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

Someone on here said a number of years ago (pre 2010 GE iirc) that there were no clubs in the top two flights in Tory constituencies.

SquareRoot

Beverley_C said:

Roger said:

"Footballing success comes to the places that voted AGAINST Brexit"

..........and after the ten plagues and relegation Brexiteers will be parked in a hot and particularly unpleasant corner of Hartlipool for the rest of eternity

Hartlepool is no punishment. Send them to Huddersfield.

No no no.. Middlesborough or the industrial area of Stockton.. or Cumbernauld.. or Burnley

Beverley_C

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Roger, have you been reading How to Make Friends and Influence People again?

I actually have that book somewhere in my Kindle account

Charles

GeoffM said:

Very funny article, although it's always good to remember that you can prove the most odd things:

http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

"Number of people drowned falling into pools" correlates to "Films Nicholas Cage has appeared in"

"Per Capital Cheese Consulmption" correlates to "Number of people who died after becoming tangled in their bedsheets"

My personal favourite (not sure if in article or not) is the correlation between performance of the FTSE 250 and rainfall on Mt Snowdown

Alistair

I haven't traveled first class on the east coast main line since Virgin took over. I am worried they have ruined it given the pitiful experience that first class on the west coast main line is.

another_richard

I've pointed out before the League Two and the Conference clubs read like a list of marginal constituencies.

JackW

MikeSmithson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One side effect of my other half's injuries is that we have to travel by train. This weekend we're going to Budapest by train over two days. We're both looking forward to it hugely.

The European train services are now getting really good and fast and you can get good deals if you book early. We always do one long-distance train journey each year. Last time it was to near Malaga with a great stop over in Madrid which is a fantastic city to visit. Eurostar now have regular direct services from St Pancras to Avignon and Marseille. We are doing that first class in September for just £109.

PBers should note the date for OGH's holiday and prevail upon their significant others to be aware that a Smithson sojourn in sunnier climes always heralds political upheavals.

September it is then .....

Ishmael_Z

Roger said:

"Footballing success comes to the places that voted AGAINST Brexit"

..........and after the ten plagues and relegation Brexiteers will be parked in a hot and particularly unpleasant corner of Hartlipool for the rest of eternity

Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS..................

And it's happening because Remain couldn't score in a brothel.

Beverley_C

SquareRoot said:

Beverley_C said:

Roger said:

"Footballing success comes to the places that voted AGAINST Brexit"

..........and after the ten plagues and relegation Brexiteers will be parked in a hot and particularly unpleasant corner of Hartlipool for the rest of eternity

Hartlepool is no punishment. Send them to Huddersfield.

No no no.. Middlesborough or the industrial area of Stockton.. or Cumbernauld.. or Burnley

Oldham. I cannot stand the place. Grim and always raining. Ugh!

MonikerDiCanio

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Roger, have you been reading How to Make Friends and Influence People again?

Hartlepool is in Roger's mind because it was represented by his political hero and fellow snob , Mandelson, for many years. I'd guess Peter shares Roger's shiver of horror for the English Northerner.

williamglenn

You'd think one of the top four points would be to do with what we want to 'take back control' of, instead of just being a list of things we don't want to lose.
https://twitter.com/commonsjustice/status/844466252919771137

HYUFD

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Someone on here said a number of years ago (pre 2010 GE iirc) that there were no clubs in the top two flights in Tory constituencies.

Chelsea, Manchester United (Trafford), Bournemouth, Watford, at least 4 I can see plus half of Southampton

TheScreamingEagles

@williamglenn

They've missed out the most interesting recommendation

https://twitter.com/WomaninHavana/status/844467731210649600

another_richard

' Crystal Palace is on the border of four London boroughs and the split relates to Borough of Croydon where the ground is. '

Selhurst Park is completely and quite comfortably within the borough of Croydon:

https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/election-maps/gb/

And Croydon voted 54.3% REMAIN - the numbers given are those for Southwark.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

HYUFD said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Someone on here said a number of years ago (pre 2010 GE iirc) that there were no clubs in the top two flights in Tory constituencies.

Chelsea, Manchester United (Trafford), Bournemouth, Watford,at least 4 I can see

Was that the case during the 2005-10 period which was when the comment was made?

HYUFD

Corbyn advertising for PLP liaison officer https://mobile.twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/844464887900311552

Roger

We are top of the LEAVERS
We are top of the LEAVERS
We are top of the LEAVERS
We are top of the LEAVERS

We've had a LOB-OT-O-MY!

TheScreamingEagles

So it looks like Hull, Middlesbrough, and Sunderland are Leaving the EU and the Premiership.

another_richard

FPT discussion about TV programs

Trainspotting Live with Peter Snow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qDiVJAHC6Y

TheScreamingEagles

HYUFD said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Someone on here said a number of years ago (pre 2010 GE iirc) that there were no clubs in the top two flights in Tory constituencies.

Chelsea, Manchester United (Trafford), Bournemouth, Watford, at least 4 I can see plus half of Southampton

In what universe do you live in?

Old Trafford is in Stretford, which has been Labour for over 30 years

Theuniondivvie

Ishmael_Z said:

Roger said:

"Footballing success comes to the places that voted AGAINST Brexit"

..........and after the ten plagues and relegation Brexiteers will be parked in a hot and particularly unpleasant corner of Hartlipool for the rest of eternity

Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS..................

And it's happening because Remain couldn't score in a brothel.

I guess we Scots* will just have to be philosophical about being more desperate than a sex workers' collective (other terminologies available).

*And the cute hoors of NI of course.

HYUFD

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

HYUFD said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Someone on here said a number of years ago (pre 2010 GE iirc) that there were no clubs in the top two flights in Tory constituencies.

Chelsea, Manchester United (Trafford), Bournemouth, Watford,at least 4 I can see

Was that the case during the 2005-10 period which was when the comment was made?

Even then there were at least 2, Chelsea and Manchester United

williamglenn

TheScreamingEagles said:

@williamglenn

They've missed out the most interesting recommendation

There's just the small problem of Theresa May's red lines and characterisation of keeping a role for the ECJ as 'not really leaving the European Union at all'.

Wulfrun_Phil

I also prefer to use the train when visiting Europe.

40 mins from Wolverhampton to Birmingham International on the West Coast Main Line. Then a 2 minute journey on the low tech but effective free cable "train" from the station to the airport. Highly recommended.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

TheScreamingEagles said:

HYUFD said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Someone on here said a number of years ago (pre 2010 GE iirc) that there were no clubs in the top two flights in Tory constituencies.

Chelsea, Manchester United (Trafford), Bournemouth, Watford, at least 4 I can see plus half of Southampton

In what universe do you live in?

Old Trafford is in Stretford, which has been Labour for over 30 years

And Watford was Labour 97-10 iirc

RoyalBlue

williamglenn said:

You'd think one of the top four points would be to do with what we want to 'take back control' of, instead of just being a list of things we don't want to lose.
https://twitter.com/commonsjustice/status/844466252919771137

Committee chaired by Remainer Tory MP who voted for opposition amendments proposes Brexit in name only?

Is this news? More to the point, will it change anything?

TheScreamingEagles

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

@williamglenn

They've missed out the most interesting recommendation

There's just the small problem of Theresa May's red lines and characterisation of keeping a role for the ECJ as 'not really leaving the European Union at all'.

We need to ensure our world class legal sector isn't compromised by Brexit.

The voters will have to lump it for the greater good.

TwistedFireStopper

Roger said:

We are top of the LEAVERS
We are top of the LEAVERS
We are top of the LEAVERS
We are top of the LEAVERS

We've had a LOB-OT-O-MY!

Rog, probably best to lay off the early morning booze.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

HYUFD said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

HYUFD said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Someone on here said a number of years ago (pre 2010 GE iirc) that there were no clubs in the top two flights in Tory constituencies.

Chelsea, Manchester United (Trafford), Bournemouth, Watford,at least 4 I can see

Was that the case during the 2005-10 period which was when the comment was made?

Even then there were at least 2, Chelsea and Manchester United

Wasn't Stamford Bridge over the border in Hammersmith before the boundary change in 2010?

Beverley_C

Roger said:

We are top of the LEAVERS
We are top of the LEAVERS
We are top of the LEAVERS
We are top of the LEAVERS

We've had a LOB-OT-O-MY!

Possibly Roger's funniest post on PB so far this year

david_herdson

JackW said:

MikeSmithson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One side effect of my other half's injuries is that we have to travel by train. This weekend we're going to Budapest by train over two days. We're both looking forward to it hugely.

The European train services are now getting really good and fast and you can get good deals if you book early. We always do one long-distance train journey each year. Last time it was to near Malaga with a great stop over in Madrid which is a fantastic city to visit. Eurostar now have regular direct services from St Pancras to Avignon and Marseille. We are doing that first class in September for just £109.

PBers should note the date for OGH's holiday and prevail upon their significant others to be aware that a Smithson sojourn in sunnier climes always heralds political upheavals.

September it is then .....

I have heard rumours of an autumn election!

Then again, with the polling as it is, I suspect we'll hear rumours of elections at all next possible opportunities.

CarlottaVance

Theuniondivvie said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Roger said:

"Footballing success comes to the places that voted AGAINST Brexit"

..........and after the ten plagues and relegation Brexiteers will be parked in a hot and particularly unpleasant corner of Hartlipool for the rest of eternity

Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS..................

And it's happening because Remain couldn't score in a brothel.

I guess we Scots* will just have to be philosophical about being more desperate than a sex workers' collective (other terminologies available).

*And the cute hoors of NI of course.

The SNP have already thrown away the tarts' vote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scottish-national-party-conference-aberdeen-sex-work-prostitution-criminalisation-nordic-model-ash-a7637261.html

Blue_rog

another_richard said:

FPT discussion about TV programs

Trainspotting Live with Peter Snow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qDiVJAHC6Y

Only in eccentric UK

Edited added bit

Forgot about driving to work when I worked in Ireland listening to the lamb prices on the radio and thinking WTF??????

david_herdson

HYUFD said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

HYUFD said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Someone on here said a number of years ago (pre 2010 GE iirc) that there were no clubs in the top two flights in Tory constituencies.

Chelsea, Manchester United (Trafford), Bournemouth, Watford,at least 4 I can see

Was that the case during the 2005-10 period which was when the comment was made?

Even then there were at least 2, Chelsea and Manchester United

I think it might have been the case in 1997?

MonikerDiCanio

TheScreamingEagles said:

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

@williamglenn

They've missed out the most interesting recommendation

There's just the small problem of Theresa May's red lines and characterisation of keeping a role for the ECJ as 'not really leaving the European Union at all'.

We need to ensure our world class legal sector isn't compromised by Brexit.

The voters will have to lump it for the greater good.

Talking of the greater good. Any news of your transfer to Paris ?

tlg86

Wulfrun_Phil said:

I also prefer to use the train when visiting Europe.

40 mins from Wolverhampton to Birmingham International on the West Coast Main Line. Then a 2 minute journey on the low tech but effective free cable "train" from the station to the airport. Highly recommended.

Arf. That they are not going to link HS2 to HS1 is a disgrace.

kle4

TheScreamingEagles said:

@williamglenn

They've missed out the most interesting recommendation

https://twitter.com/WomaninHavana/status/844467731210649600

Have the government already indicated their wish was to completely rule out CJEU?

Roger

Ishmael_Z said:

Roger said:

"Footballing success comes to the places that voted AGAINST Brexit"

..........and after the ten plagues and relegation Brexiteers will be parked in a hot and particularly unpleasant corner of Hartlipool for the rest of eternity

Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS Brexit is for MORONS..................

And it's happening because Remain couldn't score in a brothel.

Do you have such faith in marketing that if the presentation goes slightly awry a country of 64,000,000 (Before Scotland and Ireland take flight) deserves to be screwed?

TheScreamingEagles

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

HYUFD said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Someone on here said a number of years ago (pre 2010 GE iirc) that there were no clubs in the top two flights in Tory constituencies.

Chelsea, Manchester United (Trafford), Bournemouth, Watford, at least 4 I can see plus half of Southampton

In what universe do you live in?

Old Trafford is in Stretford, which has been Labour for over 30 years

And Watford was Labour 97-10 iirc

If I remember correctly in 1997 the only Premier League grounds with Tory MPs were Chelsea and Forest.

I think prior to the 2010 GE only Fulham and Chelsea had a Tory MP.