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BREXIT the top issue concerning the country in latest @IpsosMORI Issues index pic.twitter.com/68lmErZt7W

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    Boom
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    I was more upset at Dave resigning than over the triggering of Article 50.

    But the next 18 months are going to make or break a few political careers and possibly the country.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited March 2017

    Boom

    Yes. We are right royally f***ed.

    When will 50% say we were wrong to leave ? A second referendum will be unstoppable then.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    I am nearly as bored as this same question being asked when we know there is no movement as Sky's 730 day counter to Brexit.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    Looking at the issues index, I see the NHS has come down 7 points - I can't believe that has anything to do with the BBC/Sky not focusing upon it quite so much the last few weeks.

    And expect the terrorism category to rebound in April.
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    surbiton said:

    Boom

    Yes. We are right royally f***ed.

    When will 50% say we were wrong to leave ? A second referendum will be unstoppable then.
    Not going to happen, why would the EU want to keep such a wandering member?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited March 2017
    SeanT said:

    OMG. An actual philosopher speaks

    twitter.com/acgrayling/status/847058548437663744

    Funny kind of coup....
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    SeanT said:

    OMG. An actual philosopher speaks

    I wonder if he's a betting man... he should be creditworthy for a few quid.
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Is there a divorce bill market yet?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,213

    I was more upset at Dave resigning than over the triggering of Article 50.

    But the next 18 months are going to make or break a few political careers and possibly the country.

    If it weren't for Dave's referendum, Brexit would never have happened?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187

    I am nearly as bored as this same question being asked when we know there is no movement as Sky's 730 day counter to Brexit.

    At the start of the 2000-01 season, the local paper in Norwich started a countdown to Ipswich being relegated from the Premier League. They stopped it before December.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,213

    Boom

    Princes of the EU-niverse!
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    It would be worthwhile incorporating an age chart in the header, Mike.

    The ABC1 grouping is largely a reflection of sending so many younger people to university and therefore heavily into office based work.

    It's worth noting that the same generic set who are pro-Remain are the same as the ones who are pro-Sindy. Under 35s, in the main. It's anti-conservatism materialising in whatever form is meant to oppose it.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    No one cares about Europe.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226
    The movement may not be mathematically great, but the fact that the 'right or wrong' figures have moved to an almost even split could be politically significant. My suspicion is that there is a reasonable bunch of middle ground opinion that views Brexit as the right thing to do from a democratic legitimacy perspective whilst also fearing it will probably turn out to be a mistake.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    SeanT said:
    Unhinged.

    Reminds me of the post GE2015 leftwing breakdown over the Tory victory. But worse.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    LOL at Mike's tweet. All those years in the run-up to the referendum being taunted that the EU features nowhere on voters' top concerns lists. And now ...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited March 2017

    SeanT said:
    Unhinged.

    Reminds me of the post GE2015 leftwing breakdown over the Tory victory. But worse.
    Or Polly / Guardian when Boris won London Mayoral election....anybody would have thought the people of London had elected somebody so extreme even Hitler would have said crickey he's a bit too much for me...rather than a Tory wet.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    IanB2 said:

    The movement may not be mathematically great, but the fact that the 'right or wrong' figures have moved to an almost even split could be politically significant. My suspicion is that there is a reasonable bunch of middle ground opinion that views Brexit as the right thing to do from a democratic legitimacy perspective whilst also fearing it will probably turn out to be a mistake.

    Sounds about right. Fortunately, the public realized what the brilliant economists did not. That there is more to life than GDP.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited March 2017

    I was more upset at Dave resigning than over the triggering of Article 50.

    But the next 18 months are going to make or break a few political careers and possibly the country.

    If it weren't for Dave's referendum, Brexit would never have happened?
    If it wasn't for the Tory expenses strategy in marginal seats they wouldn't have had a majority.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited March 2017
    tlg86 said:

    Looking at the issues index, I see the NHS has come down 7 points - I can't believe that has anything to do with the BBC/Sky not focusing upon it quite so much the last few weeks.

    And expect the terrorism category to rebound in April.

    Funnily enough, I've just spent three days in hospital (hence my day long addiction to PB) and I'm now in a few days of rehab.

    The hospital in question is in 'special measures'.

    Have to say I'd rate it as 7/10, maybe a little higher, and would generally commend the facilities and the staff, both clinical and support. The publicity reminders that treatment was not free for everyone were very evident.

    It was much improved on my last trip inside back in 2005.

    It's strange how the actual interactions can seem very different from the overriding political narrative. I no longer trust anything that I don't see with my own eyes, or those from my immediate circle, where NHS commentary is concerned.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,213
    SeanT said:

    No one cares about Europe.

    That sneering, repetitive joke by our Otherwise Genial Host has, it must be said, rather come back to bite him on his Smithsonian arse.
    Good RE-MOANING!

    I brung you a massage: The Proom Monister has truggered Broxit - Meek Smithson is not very hippy!
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The next turn of the downward spiral has taken place. Things will continue to get worse for sometime yet.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,291
    SeanT said:

    No one cares about Europe.

    That sneering, repetitive joke by our Otherwise Genial Host has, it must be said, rather come back to bite him on his Smithsonian arse.
    Doesn't that rather prove Mike's point? In the safe and comfortable era of EU membership no one was bothered. But now...
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    Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608



    I was more upset at Dave resigning than over the triggering of Article 50.

    But the next 18 months are going to make or break a few political careers and possibly the country.

    If it weren't for Dave's referendum, Brexit would never have happened?
    If it wasn't for the Tory expenses strategy in marginal seats they wouldn't have had a majority.
    For want of a nail....
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,213

    The next turn of the downward spiral has taken place. Things will continue to get worse for sometime yet.

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/732785721145188352
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187



    I was more upset at Dave resigning than over the triggering of Article 50.

    But the next 18 months are going to make or break a few political careers and possibly the country.

    If it weren't for Dave's referendum, Brexit would never have happened?
    If it wasn't for the Tory expenses strategy in marginal seats they wouldn't have had a majority.
    Blimey, that's a bit edgy for a site that's worried about being sued. FWIW, even if they did break the rules, I doubt that was the deciding factor.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    edited March 2017

    SeanT said:

    No one cares about Europe.

    That sneering, repetitive joke by our Otherwise Genial Host has, it must be said, rather come back to bite him on his Smithsonian arse.
    Doesn't that rather prove Mike's point? In the safe and comfortable era of EU membership no one was bothered. But now...
    Rather it proves how all pervasive the EU had become - the level of concern about the EU did not show up in polls explicitly because it was embedded implicitly in the levels of concern about pretty much every other issue, because the EU had its sticky fingers in every other issue or, if not, wanted to.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    An interesting comment from Jim Leaviss, Head of Retail Fixed Interest at M&G Investments:

    ...given the UK has access to the Single Market until 2019, businesses will likely react by stockpiling inventories in anticipation of the UK possibly having to trade under WTO rules after being removed from the European Union. Additionally, consumers may bring forward consumption before tariffs are potentially placed on imports coming into the UK. Consequently, short-term economic growth may be boosted over the course of the next 12-18 months, provided real incomes aren’t squeezed too much by rising inflation and stagnant wage growth.

    (from the Guardian live blog, 14:01)
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    SeanT said:

    No one cares about Europe.

    That sneering, repetitive joke by our Otherwise Genial Host has, it must be said, rather come back to bite him on his Smithsonian arse.

    Indeed it was that very same superior sneering, aimed at "cranky, obsessive" eurosceptics like me, which led, quite directly, to Brexit.

    It made us even angrier and passionate, it fired up UKIP, it helped form the mindsets of people like Dan Hannan.
    Fruitcakes, swivel-eyed, loons, foaming-at-the-mouth etc.

    Insults are no substitute for an argument, and cost you votes when the chips are down.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,213



    I was more upset at Dave resigning than over the triggering of Article 50.

    But the next 18 months are going to make or break a few political careers and possibly the country.

    If it weren't for Dave's referendum, Brexit would never have happened?
    If it wasn't for the Tory expenses strategy in marginal seats they wouldn't have had a majority.
    If it WEREN'T.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited March 2017
    Jesus the over analysis of this letter is getting ridiculous...now considering if Mrs May saying Dear President Tusk rather than Dear Donald is really significant in her attitude towards what the talks will be like.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    An interesting comment from Jim Leaviss, Head of Retail Fixed Interest at M&G Investments:

    ...given the UK has access to the Single Market until 2019, businesses will likely react by stockpiling inventories in anticipation of the UK possibly having to trade under WTO rules after being removed from the European Union. Additionally, consumers may bring forward consumption before tariffs are potentially placed on imports coming into the UK. Consequently, short-term economic growth may be boosted over the course of the next 12-18 months, provided real incomes aren’t squeezed too much by rising inflation and stagnant wage growth.

    (from the Guardian live blog, 14:01)

    So you are saying good economic news will be *because* of Brexit? :p
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    FernandoFernando Posts: 145
    What exactly does this tracker mean? Are we being asked in retrospect to decide whether the vote in June last year was the right one, or being asked how we would vote now given the changed circumstances?
    The Remain option of a semi-detached niche, outside Schengen, outside the eurozone and not signed up to ever closer union, is no longer on offer. The Remain coalition has fractured. We either choose
    1. EU membership probably on very different terms from those we had enjoyed
    2. EEA membership
    3. Keir Starmer's version of the EEA with a negotiated "fair management of migration"
    4. Whatever Teresa May manages to negotiate.

    Whatever is the case, the Remain coalition no longer exists.
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    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    surbiton said:

    Boom

    Yes. We are right royally f***ed.

    When will 50% say we were wrong to leave ? A second referendum will be unstoppable then.
    I presume you're trolling there.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187

    An interesting comment from Jim Leaviss, Head of Retail Fixed Interest at M&G Investments:

    ...given the UK has access to the Single Market until 2019, businesses will likely react by stockpiling inventories in anticipation of the UK possibly having to trade under WTO rules after being removed from the European Union. Additionally, consumers may bring forward consumption before tariffs are potentially placed on imports coming into the UK. Consequently, short-term economic growth may be boosted over the course of the next 12-18 months, provided real incomes aren’t squeezed too much by rising inflation and stagnant wage growth.

    (from the Guardian live blog, 14:01)

    I believe that is known as getting your excuses in early.
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    Jesus the over analysis of this letter is getting ridiculous...now considering if Mrs May saying Dear President Tusk rather than Dear Donald is really significant in her attitude towards what the talks will be like.


    I agree.

    There are conventions governing salutations in official correspondence, which Mrs May will have followed very carefully.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    tlg86 said:

    I am nearly as bored as this same question being asked when we know there is no movement as Sky's 730 day counter to Brexit.

    At the start of the 2000-01 season, the local paper in Norwich started a countdown to Ipswich being relegated from the Premier League. They stopped it before December.
    That was most unkind of you to bring that season up. Triggered.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    edited March 2017

    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    I like the phrase "If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's brown, flush it down." Although I only adhere to that where water is in short supply (i.e. from a tank and not on mains)
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    How does this correlate with LEAVE and REMAIN voters??
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,213

    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    If you don't want to wake anybody up?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226
    RobD said:

    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    I like the phrase "If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's brown, flush it down." Although I only adhere to that where water is in short supply (i.e. from a tank and not on mains)
    Speaketh the man without a water meter....
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    tlg86 said:

    I am nearly as bored as this same question being asked when we know there is no movement as Sky's 730 day counter to Brexit.

    At the start of the 2000-01 season, the local paper in Norwich started a countdown to Ipswich being relegated from the Premier League. They stopped it before December.
    That was most unkind of you to bring that season up. Triggered.
    Why? It was an awesome season. Liverpool did the cup treble, I sang myself hoarse singing 'Hou let the Reds out? Hou?' in Dortmund.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    RobD said:

    So you are saying good economic news will be *because* of Brexit? :p

    Well, Jim Leaviss is saying that. His argument does make some sense, although presumably it would only apply to certain sectors and you'd see the opposite effect in inward investment and business capital expenditure.

    FWIW, investment in the Nabavi wine cellar has indeed been brought forward in anticipation of higher prices later!
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    An interesting comment from Jim Leaviss, Head of Retail Fixed Interest at M&G Investments:

    ...given the UK has access to the Single Market until 2019, businesses will likely react by stockpiling inventories in anticipation of the UK possibly having to trade under WTO rules after being removed from the European Union. Additionally, consumers may bring forward consumption before tariffs are potentially placed on imports coming into the UK. Consequently, short-term economic growth may be boosted over the course of the next 12-18 months, provided real incomes aren’t squeezed too much by rising inflation and stagnant wage growth.

    (from the Guardian live blog, 14:01)

    On balance, bringing forward consumption decisions is, I would think, better for the economy over the medium haul than delaying them.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    RobD said:

    So you are saying good economic news will be *because* of Brexit? :p

    Well, Jim Leaviss is saying that. His argument does make some sense, although presumably it would only apply to certain sectors and you'd see the opposite effect in inward investment and business capital expenditure.

    FWIW, investment in the Nabavi wine cellar has indeed been brought forward in anticipation of higher prices later!
    Yeah, I was just being a bit cheeky :)
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267

    An interesting comment from Jim Leaviss, Head of Retail Fixed Interest at M&G Investments:

    ...given the UK has access to the Single Market until 2019, businesses will likely react by stockpiling inventories in anticipation of the UK possibly having to trade under WTO rules after being removed from the European Union. Additionally, consumers may bring forward consumption before tariffs are potentially placed on imports coming into the UK. Consequently, short-term economic growth may be boosted over the course of the next 12-18 months, provided real incomes aren’t squeezed too much by rising inflation and stagnant wage growth.

    (from the Guardian live blog, 14:01)

    That makes sense.

    It looks like we've heading to:

    (a) divorce settlement, long-term high-level framework and transition agreements agreed by March 2019
    (b) transition period of 3 years under ECJ rules, as appropriate, with long-term deal details finessed and agreed by March 2022
    (c) permanent deal kicks in March 2022 - along with initial trade deals (Auz and NZ should be bankers and US as a stretch) kicking in

    ..to me.
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    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    How does this correlate with LEAVE and REMAIN voters??
    Not seen the tables yet.
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    Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608

    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    I'll refrain from making the obvious parallels with things getting flushed down the loo today...
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    tlg86 said:

    I am nearly as bored as this same question being asked when we know there is no movement as Sky's 730 day counter to Brexit.

    At the start of the 2000-01 season, the local paper in Norwich started a countdown to Ipswich being relegated from the Premier League. They stopped it before December.
    Ah. I remember that season well. I was at the Leeds v Ipswich game as a guest of Mark Halsey. Champions League semi-finalists and yet the start of bankruptcy by lack of qualifying for the CL.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419



    I was more upset at Dave resigning than over the triggering of Article 50.

    But the next 18 months are going to make or break a few political careers and possibly the country.

    If it weren't for Dave's referendum, Brexit would never have happened?
    If it wasn't for the Tory expenses strategy in marginal seats they wouldn't have had a majority.
    That assumes or implies (1) that the seats wouldn't have been won anyway, and (2) that there was something wrong with the strategy, which remains unproven.

    There is an argument that the MPs should all collectively resign 'to put the matter beyond question', and fight simultaneous by-elections across all seats.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,213
    Fernando said:

    What exactly does this tracker mean? Are we being asked in retrospect to decide whether the vote in June last year was the right one, or being asked how we would vote now given the changed circumstances?
    The Remain option of a semi-detached niche, outside Schengen, outside the eurozone and not signed up to ever closer union, is no longer on offer. The Remain coalition has fractured. We either choose
    1. EU membership probably on very different terms from those we had enjoyed
    2. EEA membership
    3. Keir Starmer's version of the EEA with a negotiated "fair management of migration"
    4. Whatever Teresa May manages to negotiate.

    Whatever is the case, the Remain coalition no longer exists.

    Though we never thought that we could lose
    There's no regret
    If I had to do the same again
    I would my friend
    Fernando
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    I like the phrase "If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's brown, flush it down." Although I only adhere to that where water is in short supply (i.e. from a tank and not on mains)
    Speaketh the man without a water meter....
    My landlord pays for the water. I'm sometimes minded to leave it running all day :D
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    An MP just offered congratulations to Andrea Jenkyns who has had a baby boy - Speaker notes Jack Lopresti MP "had a hand in the matter as well"
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    How does this correlate with LEAVE and REMAIN voters??
    Not seen the tables yet.
    It really wasn't a serious question....

    I was just thinking of the underpants thread from a few months ago!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    Animal_pb said:

    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    I'll refrain from making the obvious parallels with things getting flushed down the loo today...
    There will certainly be a lot of piss and wind about over the next two years.
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    Interesting to see that "the economy" has slipped to fifth (although unemployment has moved up slightly).

    I would expect terrorism to move back up again next time round.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Treaty of Rome won the first race at Southwell. Trust you were all on.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    tlg86 said:

    I am nearly as bored as this same question being asked when we know there is no movement as Sky's 730 day counter to Brexit.

    At the start of the 2000-01 season, the local paper in Norwich started a countdown to Ipswich being relegated from the Premier League. They stopped it before December.
    That was most unkind of you to bring that season up. Triggered.
    Why? It was an awesome season. Liverpool did the cup treble, I sang myself hoarse singing 'Hou let the Reds out? Hou?' in Dortmund.
    All I can say is that Derby have since done worse. And it did begin with European football, which was a first (and only).
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    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    How does this correlate with LEAVE and REMAIN voters??
    Not seen the tables yet.
    It really wasn't a serious question....

    I was just thinking of the underpants thread from a few months ago!
    So was I.

    Given the minging nature of Leavers over underpants, I reckon Leavers don't flush
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226

    I am nearly as bored as this same question being asked when we know there is no movement as Sky's 730 day counter to Brexit.

    At least the Sky counter offers the prospect of a decent spread betting market as to how large the negative number will eventually grow?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027

    Given the minging nature of Leavers over underpants, I reckon Leavers don't flush

    No surprise Floater is a staunch Leaver...
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,703
    Fernando said:

    What exactly does this tracker mean? Are we being asked in retrospect to decide whether the vote in June last year was the right one, or being asked how we would vote now given the changed circumstances?
    The Remain option of a semi-detached niche, outside Schengen, outside the eurozone and not signed up to ever closer union, is no longer on offer. The Remain coalition has fractured. We either choose
    1. EU membership probably on very different terms from those we had enjoyed
    2. EEA membership
    3. Keir Starmer's version of the EEA with a negotiated "fair management of migration"
    4. Whatever Teresa May manages to negotiate.

    Whatever is the case, the Remain coalition no longer exists.

    You say "We either choose ..." and offer 4 options. How do we make our choice?
    We now have to sit back and wait for events to unfold. If the electorate come to the conclusion, as shown in the tracker, that we have made a terrible mistake it will be up to UK and Euro politicians to handle that.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,213

    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    How does this correlate with LEAVE and REMAIN voters??
    Not seen the tables yet.
    It really wasn't a serious question....

    I was just thinking of the underpants thread from a few months ago!
    So was I.

    Given the minging nature of Leavers over underpants, I reckon Leavers don't flush
    Depends if you want to wake anybody else up - the question does say "in the middle of the night".
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,213
    edited March 2017
    I had to go commando a couple of Fridays ago - I forgot to pack enough underpants for my weekly stint in the Midlands :lol:
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226
    "“We understand that there will be consequences for the UK of leaving the EU. We know that we will lose influence over the rules that affect the European economy. We know that UK companies that trade with the EU will have to align with rules agreed by institutions of which we are no longer a part, just as we do in other overseas markets. We accept that", the PM said.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,213

    Treaty of Rome won the first race at Southwell. Trust you were all on.

    Let's party like it's 1957!!!
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    Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608

    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    How does this correlate with LEAVE and REMAIN voters??
    Not seen the tables yet.
    It really wasn't a serious question....

    I was just thinking of the underpants thread from a few months ago!
    So was I.

    Given the minging nature of Leavers over underpants, I reckon Leavers don't flush
    Depends if you want to wake anybody else up - the question does say "in the middle of the night".
    As a gay divorce (dammit, how do you do accents on this thing?) without small children, I suspect this is not a meaningful consideration for TSE.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    SeanT said:
    There are no tanks in Baghdad.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,924

    Treaty of Rome won the first race at Southwell. Trust you were all on.

    Let's party like it's 1957!!!
    I seem to recall some great times in 1957. I also recall some seriously missed chances!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    SeanT said:

    The next turn of the downward spiral has taken place. Things will continue to get worse for sometime yet.

    If it helps, you have my sympathies

    For the last 30 years I have felt that my democratic rights, and my precious identity, as a freeborn Briton, governed by the Mother of Parliaments which I help to elect, were slowly and stealthily being taken away from me, without my permission. And sometimes this was done, as I saw it, by acts of deliberate political fraud - e.g. the denied referendum on Lisbon.

    That made me angry and sad, and by the end almost despairing.

    You may think my feelings were ridiculous, but this is sincerely what I felt, and it hurt.

    I imagine this is what hardcore Remainers and europhiles are now feeling, the only difference is that you're experiencing it over months, rather than decades. It is difficult to know which is more painful.

    So there it is: I understand your pain, and it's one reason I won't be celebrating wildly today. Too many of my friends are sad or scared. The champagne is back in the fridge.
    Speak for yourself: I'm cracking open a glass (or three) with friends tonight.

    Unfortunately, this will be in a different part of Town to the pb.com do. But I wish everyone well who attends.

    Special hat-tip to Mortimer for taking the lead in organising this, and persevering with doing so.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,924
    SeanT said:

    The next turn of the downward spiral has taken place. Things will continue to get worse for sometime yet.

    If it helps, you have my sympathies

    For the last 30 years I have felt that my democratic rights, and my precious identity, as a freeborn Briton, governed by the Mother of Parliaments which I help to elect, were slowly and stealthily being taken away from me, without my permission. And sometimes this was done, as I saw it, by acts of deliberate political fraud - e.g. the denied referendum on Lisbon.

    That made me angry and sad, and by the end almost despairing.

    You may think my feelings were ridiculous, but this is sincerely what I felt, and it hurt.

    I imagine this is what hardcore Remainers and europhiles are now feeling, the only difference is that you're experiencing it over months, rather than decades. It is difficult to know which is more painful.

    So there it is: I understand your pain, and it's one reason I won't be celebrating wildly today. Too many of my friends are sad or scared. The champagne is back in the fridge.
    Thank you!
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Treaty of Rome won the first race at Southwell. Trust you were all on.

    In a treble with House Of Commons in the 3.00 and Happy Escape in the 3.20 from Lingfield...
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    Why?! Surely if you're bothered about the noise, you just use a different toilet in a more remote part of the house?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I'd say a straight "no" across the board except for the passport colour to which I couldn't care less.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited March 2017

    An interesting comment from Jim Leaviss, Head of Retail Fixed Interest at M&G Investments:

    ...given the UK has access to the Single Market until 2019, businesses will likely react by stockpiling inventories in anticipation of the UK possibly having to trade under WTO rules after being removed from the European Union. Additionally, consumers may bring forward consumption before tariffs are potentially placed on imports coming into the UK. Consequently, short-term economic growth may be boosted over the course of the next 12-18 months, provided real incomes aren’t squeezed too much by rising inflation and stagnant wage growth.

    (from the Guardian live blog, 14:01)

    It's becoming difficult to see anything on the immediate horizon that is going to interrupt the economic pattern given government tax and spend policies.

    The only part of the UK that may struggle is Scotland because of the continual miserabilism of the SNP.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,703

    I'd say a straight "no" across the board except for the passport colour to which I couldn't care less.
    Ditto
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    A question for those intending to gather at Trucklers this evening. I don't think I can be there till about 1900, what time where we going to sit down for food?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    BigRich said:

    A question for those intending to gather at Trucklers this evening. I don't think I can be there till about 1900, what time where we going to sit down for food?

    I should get there at 6.45, and will eat something there.
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    Animal_pb said:

    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    How does this correlate with LEAVE and REMAIN voters??
    Not seen the tables yet.
    It really wasn't a serious question....

    I was just thinking of the underpants thread from a few months ago!
    So was I.

    Given the minging nature of Leavers over underpants, I reckon Leavers don't flush
    Depends if you want to wake anybody else up - the question does say "in the middle of the night".
    As a gay divorce (dammit, how do you do accents on this thing?) without small children, I suspect this is not a meaningful consideration for TSE.
    Err, well yes I'm a divorcé, but the rest of that post causes some serious epistemological problems.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,703
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,045
    This might seem like a bit of a cliche but I thought it was a good Brexit piece and Clegg seems fair-minded.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-WEDoXx910
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,924

    ‪What a nation of fecking mingers we are. 49%!!!!!‬


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/847048843472588800

    Why?! Surely if you're bothered about the noise, you just use a different toilet in a more remote part of the house?
    A senior official from the local Water Co, talking to a group of which I’m a member said recently of flushing the toilet ‘if it’s brown send it down; if it’s wet, wait a bit’

    And, Mr Herson, that’s a bit hard on the servants. After all they’ve got to get up early to light the fire.
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    @steve_hawkes: No10 makes clear - we leave the EU when "Big Ben bongs at midnight" on March 29/30 2019‬
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,027
    The pounds and ounces question is the clearest 'neutral' indicator of a huge age divide between Leave and Remain.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,924

    I'd say a straight "no" across the board except for the passport colour to which I couldn't care less.
    I’d go with that. Actually I quite like the current passport colour.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    SeanT said:

    The next turn of the downward spiral has taken place. Things will continue to get worse for sometime yet.

    If it helps, you have my sympathies

    For the last 30 years I have felt that my democratic rights, and my precious identity, as a freeborn Briton, governed by the Mother of Parliaments which I help to elect, were slowly and stealthily being taken away from me, without my permission. And sometimes this was done, as I saw it, by acts of deliberate political fraud - e.g. the denied referendum on Lisbon.

    That made me angry and sad, and by the end almost despairing.

    You may think my feelings were ridiculous, but this is sincerely what I felt, and it hurt.

    I imagine this is what hardcore Remainers and europhiles are now feeling, the only difference is that you're experiencing it over months, rather than decades. It is difficult to know which is more painful.

    So there it is: I understand your pain, and it's one reason I won't be celebrating wildly today. Too many of my friends are sad or scared. The champagne is back in the fridge.
    You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.

    Britain will become a backwater, sour and introverted. The challenges of globalisation will hit it still harder than they would have done as the country is constantly distracted for years by needless rows with its closest neighbours and trading partners. The country has been taken over by fifth raters with a manic obsession. Their failures will be blamed by their fellow fruitcakes on the EU.

    Immigration will come down because the brightest and best will opt to go elsewhere rather than work in a country which has a devalued currency and makes its dislike of immigration plain.

    My feelings about this are fairly simple. I'll be ok, but I feel pity for the people who will be shafted by this act of egregious stupidity and contempt for the people who have persuaded themselves that dealing with the complexities of the 21st century is just too much of a chore.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,581
    In the manner of a 5 year old on a long journey:

    Brexit - Are we nearly there yet?
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    I'd say a straight "no" across the board except for the passport colour to which I couldn't care less.
    I'm also not bothered by the passport thing ether, But don't see why we can not make it the customer/company's chose if they what to buy/sell in pounds or Kilograms let them. Same for smocking in pubs, and the light bulb thing. (don't think the Pub smocking ban was EU related though)
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,914

    The pounds and ounces question is the clearest 'neutral' indicator of a huge age divide between Leave and Remain.

    I am Remain and pounds and ounces. Feet and inches, too!

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    isamisam Posts: 40,901
    Sean_F said:

    BigRich said:

    A question for those intending to gather at Trucklers this evening. I don't think I can be there till about 1900, what time where we going to sit down for food?

    I should get there at 6.45, and will eat something there.
    I thought it was just a drink? I reckon I'll be there 730-8, is that too late?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,914
    Put the swivel-eyed right back in its box, ignore braying anti-European editors and always try to see things from the other viewpoint, then we might just get a workable deal. I am probably alone, but for me as a Remainer today has not been a bad start (the silly security stuff aside). Maybe it's the lag.
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    I'd say a straight "no" across the board except for the passport colour to which I couldn't care less.
    I’d go with that. Actually I quite like the current passport colour.
    Well after all Wellington's soldiers wore red and Napoleon's wore blue...
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    The next turn of the downward spiral has taken place. Things will continue to get worse for sometime yet.

    If it helps, you have my sympathies

    For the last 30 years I have felt that my democratic rights, and my precious identity, as a freeborn Briton, governed by the Mother of Parliaments which I help to elect, were slowly and stealthily being taken away from me, without my permission. And sometimes this was done, as I saw it, by acts of deliberate political fraud - e.g. the denied referendum on Lisbon.

    That made me angry and sad, and by the end almost despairing.

    You may think my feelings were ridiculous, but this is sincerely what I felt, and it hurt.

    I imagine this is what hardcore Remainers and europhiles are now feeling, the only difference is that you're experiencing it over months, rather than decades. It is difficult to know which is more painful.

    So there it is: I understand your pain, and it's one reason I won't be celebrating wildly today. Too many of my friends are sad or scared. The champagne is back in the fridge.
    You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.

    Britain will become a backwater, sour and introverted. The challenges of globalisation will hit it still harder than they would have done as the country is constantly distracted for years by needless rows with its closest neighbours and trading partners. The country has been taken over by fifth raters with a manic obsession. Their failures will be blamed by their fellow fruitcakes on the EU.

    Immigration will come down because the brightest and best will opt to go elsewhere rather than work in a country which has a devalued currency and makes its dislike of immigration plain.

    My feelings about this are fairly simple. I'll be ok, but I feel pity for the people who will be shafted by this act of egregious stupidity and contempt for the people who have persuaded themselves that dealing with the complexities of the 21st century is just too much of a chore.
    Fair enough, you're feeling even worse than me, because you're actually going totally, publicly embarrassingly mad.
    It's just a question of valuing different things. The things that you and I value aren't valued by Alistair Meeks and vice versa.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267

    Put the swivel-eyed right back in its box, ignore braying anti-European editors and always try to see things from the other viewpoint, then we might just get a workable deal. I am probably alone, but for me as a Remainer today has not been a bad start (the silly security stuff aside). Maybe it's the lag.

    Seconded.

    But I do wish you'd stop using the phrase "swivel-eyed". Every time you do, I lose a little bit of respect for you.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226

    The pounds and ounces question is the clearest 'neutral' indicator of a huge age divide between Leave and Remain.

    I am Remain and pounds and ounces. Feet and inches, too!

    Napoleon's efforts were clearly wasted on you. A litre of (most) liquids weighs a kilogram, and 100 ml weighs 100 grams. What's not to like? Doubtless you still do your cooking recipes in cups?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267

    @steve_hawkes: No10 makes clear - we leave the EU when "Big Ben bongs at midnight" on March 29/30 2019‬

    Now.. THAT's the time for some serious champagne.
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